MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1305

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) RE: Hello Everyone...
	by Crystal Hewitt <mysttree-+AT+-phantomreality.com>
  2) Re: Bastards!
	by Fireheart/FiirWulf <tzarius-+AT+-geocities.com>
  3) Re: Bastards!
	by Kethry <kraatz-+AT+-earthlink.net>
  4) Important: a plea for peace!!!
	by Eleonora Scoseria <infodyn-+AT+-distrinet.com.uy>
  5) A question...
	by Hyllarr-+AT+-aol.com
  6) Where are people? (was Re: Bastards!)
	by Remmington Crothian <remming-+AT+-ix.netcom.com>
  7) Re: Where are people? (was Re: Bastards!)
	by nme848-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu (Nina Ehgartner)
  8) Re: Where are people? (was Re: Bastards!)
	by DMage <chakram-+AT+-geocities.com>
  9) Re: A question...
	by "Carol Tingle" <ebonyblade-+AT+-hotmail.com>
 10) Wishing about more books
	by "Jasmine Silverday" <silverday-+AT+-hotmail.com>
 11) Re: Wishing about more books
	by Remmington Crothian <remming-+AT+-ix.netcom.com>
 12) More books/where are people/DiTregarde/collaberatin
	by "Molly McAllister" <mollymca-+AT+-hotmail.com>
 13) Non-Valdemar Lackey books
	by tadrith-+AT+-juno.com (Martin C Dawson)
 14) Re: Wishing about more books
	by tadrith-+AT+-juno.com (Martin C Dawson)
 15) Mage Wars
	by tadrith-+AT+-juno.com (Martin C Dawson)
 16) Shin'a'in proverb
	by JWSCHM00-+AT+-UKCC.UKY.EDU
 17) Re: Shin'a'in proverb
	by Mark Cook & Tracy Hansel <cook-hansel-+AT+-worldnet.att.net>
 18) Re: Mage Wars
	by Cristilyn Lawton <cristilyn-+AT+-mindspring.com>
 19) collaborations
	by "Little Crow" <crowsaxton-+AT+-hotmail.com>
 20) Re: Mage Wars
	by "Little Crow" <crowsaxton-+AT+-hotmail.com>
 21) Re: Hi, Kethry!
	by AERDEN-+AT+-delphi.com
 22) Re: Mage Wars
	by larsen <larsen-+AT+-voyager.net>
 23) characters and plots and Gryphons and stuff
	by Greg Wooledge <wooledge-+AT+-kellnet.com>

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 00:13:05 -0400
From: Crystal Hewitt <mysttree-+AT+-phantomreality.com>
To: "'mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk'" <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Hello Everyone...
Message-ID: <01BCAB6B.EB31EFA0-+AT+-crystalh.phantomreality.com>

Heyla Janice,
People kinda come & go on the list, most of us just lurk here and come out 
of hiding only occasionally.  I hope you enjoy the list, I have for the 
most part, but recently there has been more flaming than I care to deal 
with.  Frankly if I want to deal with all that I'll stay in the "real 
world".  Anyway a word to the warning, if you haven't read Aunt Mel's list 
etiquette or the newbie list (I believe both are on the website) you may 
wish to, otherwise you may find yourself at the receiving end of some 
flames.  Most on the list are pretty good about taking it easy when people 
make honest-to-goodness mistakes, but there are a few who really sour the 
cream.
Wind to thy wings,
Mysttree

-----Original Message-----
From:	janice pugh [SMTP:trueblue-+AT+-insolwwb.net]
Sent:	Sunday, August 17, 1997 4:45 PM
To:	mysttree-+AT+-phantomreality.com
Subject:	Hello Everyone...

I am a relatively new reader of mercedes lackey, especially interested in
the valdemar books.my nephew amplifire c-+AT+-t  suggested i join your little
group,i.e held me at gunpoint. seriously, i really am interested in your
group and rather cut-off living in a small town in arkansas with the bears
and panthers and such. (we actually only got electricity last week)(we
still dont have capital letters and proper punctuation on our keyboards -
or spellcheck yet).Im just glad to be here  and at your disposal.


oh, yeah, my names janice pugh (no nickname yet).

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 23:12:36 -0500
From: Fireheart/FiirWulf <tzarius-+AT+-geocities.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Bastards!
Message-ID: <33F7CBB4.6CC6-+AT+-geocities.com>

Kethry wrote:
> 
> Where is everyone? When I looked at the page for this list there seemed
> to be a lot more people....
We are here... but most of us don't like replying to people who were
rather rude about something WE have no control over. I personally don't
talk much on the list because I have nothing to say. I read, and when I
have something to say, like now, I do. So, until you get unsubscribed,
you could try being nice and just waiting. 

Thanks,
Fireheart
Healer-Adept of K'vala
God of New Homes
Owner of the Eternal Contact Paper
Giver of the Perpetual Housewarming Gift

-- 
----------          Le Morgan
\        /          8516 Highland
 \      /           Kansas City, MO
  \    /            64131
   \  /             
    \/              http://www.geocities.com/~tzarius

"I dreamt I was a butterfly. I couldn't tell I was dreaming.
 But when I awoke, I was I and not a butterfly. Was I
 dreaming that I was a butterfly, or was the butterfly
 dreaming that it was me? Even if there is a difference 
 between the butterfly and I, the distinction isn't absolute.
 There is no relationship of cause and effect."--Soshi

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 12:49:50 -0700
From: Kethry <kraatz-+AT+-earthlink.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Bastards!
Message-ID: <33F8A75E.72A4-+AT+-earthlink.net>

Fireheart/FiirWulf wrote:
> 
> Kethry wrote:
> >
> > Where is everyone? When I looked at the page for this list there seemed
> > to be a lot more people....
> We are here... but most of us don't like replying to people who were
> rather rude about something WE have no control over. I personally don't
> talk much on the list because I have nothing to say. I read, and when I
> have something to say, like now, I do. So, until you get unsubscribed,
> you could try being nice and just waiting.
> 

Whoah, wait...I didn't write that Basttards comment, I just replied to
that message because it's the first thing I got....I don't want to
unsubscribe! I have nothing against the list...I just subscribed today.
But on the homepage for this list I read there was a lot of mage duels,
characters, role-playing, etc. It sounded like fun. But so far all I've
got is that bastards post...so where's everyone else?

Kethry

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 02:38:00 -0300
From: Eleonora Scoseria <infodyn-+AT+-distrinet.com.uy>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Important: a plea for peace!!!
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970818023800.006f954c-+AT+-nicasio.distrinet.com.uy>

Hi, there!

I thought I'd say something before this advances further.
There seems to have been a major misunderstanding here.

Someone wrote a rather rude message to the list asking to be unsubbed.

Someone else (Kethry) replied to that message in order to send a message to
the list simply wondering why the list was so quiet I think. 

And then yet another person seems to have interpreted that Kethry was the
one wanting to be unsubbed and asked her to be polite while she was on the
list.

So, I just thought I'd say that:
a. I have emailed Mel privately to point out that a subscriber is
desperately wanting to be removed.
b. Kethry, noone is really mad at you. Please don't feel bad. As to why the
list is so quiet, weekends are usually slow. There are about 400
subscribers, tho we don't all write at the same time (fortunately <g>). If
you have doubts feel free to email me privately (eleonora-+AT+-multi.com.uy).
c. I hope this advances no further and we can all go back to discussing Misty.

Peace,

Ele
Councilor of Mist

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 08:17:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: Hyllarr-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: A question...
Message-ID: <970818081736_133687975-+AT+-emout12.mail.aol.com>

Hello
I have a question-
Can we discuss Di Tregarde books or not?
Noone has so far exept to talk about "The Last Straw".
Thanks

 Hyllarr

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 06:39:18 -0700
From: Remmington Crothian <remming-+AT+-ix.netcom.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Where are people? (was Re: Bastards!)
Message-ID: <33F85086.7A6D-+AT+-ix.netcom.com>

Kethry wrote:
> I just subscribed today.
> But on the homepage for this list I read there was a lot of mage duels,
> characters, role-playing, etc. It sounded like fun. But so far all I've
> got is that bastards post...so where's everyone else?
> 
> Kethry

I understand where your coming from.  I'm on a Palladium list (RPG) and 
that generates 200+ messages a day!!  Yet, here I seem lucky to get 4.  
However, being on the Palladium list for 3 years now, I know that if you 
want something to happen (like people talking) you need to start topics 
or threads and get people talking.

Now for the topical part of this.  What are people's opinion of Misty's 
writing with other people?  For instance the Mage Wars where written by 
both Misty and Larry Dixon.  Now, I have not read them, yet.  However, in 
other authors colaboration pieces, I have noticed where one author wrote 
vs. the other.  To me this distracts from the book.  I bring this up 
becous Owlflight, according to B. Dalton bookstore, is a colaboration 
piece.

-- 
On the way back they sang a number of tuneful and reflective songs on the 
subject of peace, morality, culture, sports, family life, and the 
obliteration of all other life forms.
................................
And so with that said and done, I now take you back to a reality you 
don't truely understand.
................................
Attention, now we will sing the history of the pighead who stopped our 
beloved Red Baron!!
................................
ICQ 1438388

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 08:11:26 -0500
From: nme848-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu (Nina Ehgartner)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Where are people? (was Re: Bastards!)
Message-ID: <199708181413.JAA00497-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu>



>Now for the topical part of this.  What are people's opinion of Misty's 
>writing with other people?  For instance the Mage Wars where written by 
>both Misty and Larry Dixon.  Now, I have not read them, yet.  However, in 
>other authors colaboration pieces, I have noticed where one author wrote 
>vs. the other.  To me this distracts from the book.  I bring this up 
>becous Owlflight, according to B. Dalton bookstore, is a colaboration 
>piece.

It really depends on the stories/books themselves.  In _Tiger Burning
Bright_, it was pretty obvious which of the three authors wrote about which
character (the behavior and attitude of the princess bears a striking
resemblance to that of Elspeth).  While the shifts in perspective and/or
style may be disconcerting to some, I found that in this case, it was
fitting because the story revolved around three distinct charaters.

As for the Mage Wars, I didn't really notice any serious shifts or gaps
which indicated where Misty may have left off and Larry started us again.
_Black Gryphon_ is actually one of my favorite Misty books.  All 3 books in
the series are a good read, even though IMO the plots in _White Gryphon_ and
_Silver Gryphon_ seem to lack a little something.

Nina Ehgartner
Admissions Assistant-Office of Admissions and Financial Aid
J.L. Kellogg Graduate School of Management
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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 14:42:56
From: DMage <chakram-+AT+-geocities.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Where are people? (was Re: Bastards!)
Message-ID: <3.0.2.16.19970817144256.31a72a46-+AT+-mail.geocities.com>


>Now for the topical part of this.  What are people's opinion of Misty's 
>writing with other people?  For instance the Mage Wars where written by 
>both Misty and Larry Dixon.  Now, I have not read them, yet.  However, in 
>other authors colaboration pieces, I have noticed where one author wrote 
>vs. the other.  To me this distracts from the book.  I bring this up 
>becous Owlflight, according to B. Dalton bookstore, is a colaboration 
>piece.

The Mage Wars weren't that distracting, that I noticed. There was a visible
difference, but the series was still good. Still, authors should make sure
their writing styles are compatible before they collaborate..

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 09:01:07 PDT
From: "Carol Tingle" <ebonyblade-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: A question...
Message-ID: <19970818160108.1635.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com>



 Hyllar wrote:
>Can we discuss Di Tregarde books or not?
>Noone has so far exept to talk about "The Last Straw".



I'd love to talk about Diana Trigarde. Unlike most of the people on this 
list-this is assumsion please forgive me if I'm wrong- I didn't even 
know that misty wrote anything other than the Trigarde series. You can 
imagine my surprise when a good friend took me over to the fantasy 
section of the bookstore and pointed them out to me. I was drawn to 
Trigarde for many reasons. I think the biggest was that she was writer, 
a witch, and a paranormal investigator. In 'Burning Water' I liked the 
way she appoligised to Mark for using him as a psychic medium without 
telling him. She explains that its not right but that she was young when 
she was doing it. In 'Children of the Night', I was impressed with the 
Gypsy vampire that she fell in love with. He seemed more 'human' then 
most mundanes I know. Reading 'Jinx High' took the longest. Its was a 
great story but I sometimes got the feeling that there were lessons to 
be learned from the writing. If anyone else has read this book you 
probably know what I'm talking about. Knowing that Misty will never 
write anymore books in this line, and agreeing with why she won't, it 
doesn't stop me from wishing. I'm a devoted Tarma/Kethry fan-the first 
fantasy books I read- Diana Trigarde will always be my first love of 
Misty writiting.

Ebony Blade

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 09:23:23 PDT
From: "Jasmine Silverday" <silverday-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Wishing about more books
Message-ID: <19970818162323.1162.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com>

Heyla listsibs!

     welcome Kethry!

     I was just wondering if I was the only person that wished that 
there were more books about certian characters. Let me explain...
     I was reading the Winds trilogy and When i finished I was hoping 
that the Storm series would be about Elspeth and Darkwind. I was 
disapointed that they weren't at first, then I fell in love with those 
characters(haven't read SB yet so don't spoil it for me*G*).
     Another Character I wished there was a following book about was 
Kero! I felt that there needed to be more than one book to fully 
discribe Kero. I feel by far she is one of the greatest female 
warriors!!! 
     And yet another duo I wished to see more of was Tarma & Kethry!! I 
want to see more stories about them(I know S&S books have them) but 
wouldn't it be cool that those stories were all in one book? 
     Well I have probably rambled on too long so What do you guys 
think???


Silverday

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 10:45:59 -0700
From: Remmington Crothian <remming-+AT+-ix.netcom.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Wishing about more books
Message-ID: <33F88A57.2048-+AT+-ix.netcom.com>

Jasmine Silverday wrote:
> 
> Heyla listsibs!
> 
>      welcome Kethry!
> 
>      I was just wondering if I was the only person that wished that
> there were more books about certian characters. Let me explain...
>      I was reading the Winds trilogy and When i finished I was hoping
> that the Storm series would be about Elspeth and Darkwind. I was
> disapointed that they weren't at first, then I fell in love with those
> characters(haven't read SB yet so don't spoil it for me*G*).
>      Another Character I wished there was a following book about was
> Kero! I felt that there needed to be more than one book to fully
> discribe Kero. I feel by far she is one of the greatest female
> warriors!!!
>      And yet another duo I wished to see more of was Tarma & Kethry!! I
> want to see more stories about them(I know S&S books have them) but
> wouldn't it be cool that those stories were all in one book?
>      Well I have probably rambled on too long so What do you guys
> think???

I agree, but it seems that the books Misty writes are more plot motivated then people.  
She writes about a place and what happens to that place over the period of time.  The 
people seem to serve that purpose.  

Yes, a compliation of the short stories should be made.  Is there a refence on the net 
that has a list of all the stories that haver appeared in S&S?  BTW, what exactly is 
S&S?  Not familier with that abbriviation.  Hopefully, with these answers I'll be able 
to read more about Vademar from the library.

-- 
On the way back they sang a number of tuneful and reflective songs on the subject of 
peace, morality, culture, sports, family life, and the obliteration of all other life 
forms.
................................
And so with that said and done, I now take you back to a reality you don't truely 
understand.
................................
Attention, now we will sing the history of the pighead who stopped our beloved Red 
Baron!!
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 12:38:13 PDT
From: "Molly McAllister" <mollymca-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: More books/where are people/DiTregarde/collaberatin
Message-ID: <199708181938.MAA11402-+AT+-f36.hotmail.com>

On the more books about charectors subject,  At the end of a good Misty 
book or series about a charector I often feel that another book about 
that charector would be cool but then I realize that there has to be the 
chance for other charectors who are just as good and maybe better to 
arise so I take the lack of steady main charectors in stride.  I think 
that After you have gone through the book that apends a good deal of 
time on the one charector you have gone over the most important senerio 
in their life and though their is still enough going on to include them 
in other books there may not be enough to write another book or series 
on them.  just my honest opinon.

**********************************************************************

I just want to greet Kethry to the list and apolgize for the letter 
accusing her of writing that Bastards! thing.  I just wnt to say that 
sometimes one of this lists main drawbacks is a simple misunderstanding 
turning into a mage war type dealy.  Just take it in stride and hope 
that other people will begin to understand what you truly meant with a 
little help on your part.

**********************************************************************

On the Di Tregarde thing.  You can talk about any thing misty related.  
If you feel that something is not talked about enough start a 
conversation.  I would continue on the topic but I personally have yet 
to read a DiTregard book.

**********************************************************************

On the collabiration subject,  I feel that some collaberations are 
better then others, for instince I really injoyed The Ship who Searched 
but I felt that Elvenbane was a little lacking.  I totally depends on 
the writers and if they mesh well or there contrast is an asset to the 
book.


Well that is all that I have to say right now
Favorite flavored sheep to all,
Molly



"Why do we kill people who kill people to show people that 
killing people is wrong"  Quote off button I saw  (c:


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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 18:29:27 EDT
From: tadrith-+AT+-juno.com (Martin C Dawson)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Non-Valdemar Lackey books
Message-ID: <19970818.172823.7087.3.tadrith-+AT+-juno.com>

Would anyone else out there like to discuss _Freedom Flight_?  Wing
Commander is my favorite computer game, and I loved the Gryphon books.. 
I almost had a heart attack when I noticed who wrote FF.  :>

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 18:29:26 EDT
From: tadrith-+AT+-juno.com (Martin C Dawson)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Wishing about more books
Message-ID: <19970818.172820.7087.1.tadrith-+AT+-juno.com>


On Mon, 18 Aug 1997 18:16:53 +0100 (BST) Remmington Crothian
<remming-+AT+-ix.netcom.com> writes:
>Jasmine Silverday wrote:
>>      I was just wondering if I was the only person that wished that
>> there were more books about certian characters. 
>I agree, but it seems that the books Misty writes are more plot 
>motivated then people.  
>She writes about a place and what happens to that place over the 
>period of time.  The 
>people seem to serve that purpose.  

I would really like to see a story/book/series about Skandranon's youth. 

For example, what color was he before the Cataclysm withough feather dye?
 :>

As far as I calculate, Skan's parents were created by Urtho since (by
Winterhart's age at the beginning of the wars and Tad and Keeth's
develpoment between White and Silver)  there could only have been time
for one generation to grow up.  (And I don't remember where, but it
mentions that Skan DID have parents in one of the books.)
                                                                         
                                     -Tad

Fair skies and warm winds to you.

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 18:29:26 EDT
From: tadrith-+AT+-juno.com (Martin C Dawson)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Mage Wars
Message-ID: <19970818.172823.7087.2.tadrith-+AT+-juno.com>

Hi!  I'm new here.  
With that out of the way...

On Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:23:22 +0100 (BST) nme848-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu (Nina
Ehgartner) writes:
>As for the Mage Wars, I didn't really notice any serious shifts or 
>gaps
>which indicated where Misty may have left off and Larry started us 
>again.
>_Black Gryphon_ is actually one of my favorite Misty books.  All 3 
>books in
>the series are a good read, even though IMO the plots in _White 
>Gryphon_ and
>_Silver Gryphon_ seem to lack a little something.

The Black Gryphon is my favorite book, period.  Or does it show?  :>  
Gryphons have often recived less than respect at the hands of authors. 
There was a book I saw once called The Crystal Gryphon... and I swear,
they look like Wyrsa with bird wings.

   I recently read Wind of Fate... and I agree with the review I saw.  It
seems pretty lame compared to the Gryphon books.  I couldn't belive that
Elspeth was willing to go to war with the chance of being killed for her
country, but she didn't want to stay on the Companions' preplanned path. 
Something there doesn't add up.  
   I also though the treatment of Dawnfire's predicament seemed like a
deus ex machina.. It would've been cooler IMHO if they could come up with
a spell that would allow her to stay in the hawk's body.

   There's one thing I'm confused about.  Is zhai'helleva a 'hello' or
'goodbye'?  Fate they used it like hello, but some people I know online
use it like goodbye.  (Does it have a translation?)                      
       
                                                                         
               -Tad
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Date:         Mon, 18 Aug 97 20:10:46 EDT
From: JWSCHM00-+AT+-UKCC.UKY.EDU
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Shin'a'in proverb
Message-ID:   <970818.201500.EDT.JWSCHM00-+AT+-ukcc.uky.edu>

Greetings,

My son (occasionally known as Foxfire here a while back) has
gotten an assignment to find the origins of the saying:
"That was then, this is now."  I was sure Tarma says it in
some book, but I can't find it.  I've been through _Oathbound_,
_O-breakers_, and _By the Sword_ with no luck.  Anyone know
where this one is?  (I think I've found every other Shin'a'in
proverb!)  And don't I recall someone saying that they thought
it was originally a Chinese proverb?  Anyone have a source for
this.  Or is my brain as mistfilled as my name -- again? 8-)

Thank for the help,
Mistfox
(jwschm00-+AT+-ukcc.uky.edu)

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 17:57:48 -0700
From: Mark Cook & Tracy Hansel <cook-hansel-+AT+-worldnet.att.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Shin'a'in proverb
Message-ID: <33F8EF8C.5E88-+AT+-worldnet.att.net>

JWSCHM00-+AT+-UKCC.UKY.EDU wrote:
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> My son (occasionally known as Foxfire here a while back) has
> gotten an assignment to find the origins of the saying:
> "That was then, this is now."  I was sure Tarma says it in
> some book, but I can't find it.  I've been through _Oathbound_,
> _O-breakers_, and _By the Sword_ with no luck.  Anyone know
> where this one is?  (I think I've found every other Shin'a'in
> proverb!)  And don't I recall someone saying that they thought
> it was originally a Chinese proverb?  Anyone have a source for
> this.  Or is my brain as mistfilled as my name -- again? 8-)
> 
> Thank for the help,
> Mistfox
> (jwschm00-+AT+-ukcc.uky.edu)

"That was then, this is now, the moment is never the same twice".  Its
in the first chapter of Oathbreakers, within the first page or two.  In
the SFBC hardback 'Vows and Honor' its page 241, 6th line.  Just after
Kethry talks about Need healing the scout that got gut shot.

I like quote so well that I printed a pretty copy and hung it in my
office.  Even my boss started quoting it without knowing where it came
from.

Tracy

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 21:19:22 -0400
From: Cristilyn Lawton <cristilyn-+AT+-mindspring.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Mage Wars
Message-ID: <33F8F49A.5FFC-+AT+-mindspring.com>

Martin C Dawson wrote:

 
>    There's one thing I'm confused about.  Is zhai'helleva a 'hello' or
> 'goodbye'?  Fate they used it like hello, but some people I know online
> use it like goodbye.  (Does it have a translation?)

Zhai'helleva means "wind to thy wings". 

Favorite flavored sheep to all for the one-liner.

Herald Darla

-- 
Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 18:33:23 PDT
From: "Little Crow" <crowsaxton-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: collaborations
Message-ID: <19970819013324.25594.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com>





>From: Remmington Crothian <remming-+AT+-ix.netcom.com>
>Subject: Where are people? (was Re: Bastards!)

> What are people's opinion of Misty's 
>writing with other people?  For instance the Mage Wars where written by 
>both Misty and Larry Dixon. 

 However, in 
>other authors colaboration pieces, I have noticed where one author 
wrote vs. the other.  To me this distracts from the book.  I bring this 
up 
>becous Owlflight, according to B. Dalton bookstore, is a colaboration 
>piece.


I haven't read any of Misty's collaborations yet, tho I've heard some 
are really good.  As far as collaborations in general go, they can be 
really good, or really bad, it's all a matter of who the authors are, 
and how well their writing style meshes together. One Fantastic 
collaboration I can think of off hand is Neil Gaiman and Terry 
Pratchett's  "Good Omens".   

Also, I believe someone asked about Di Tregard books.....so far as I 
know, they're an acceptable topic!?!  In fact, those are the first Misty 
books I ever read. I liked Jinx High, but have to say I preferred the 
other one (help me with the title, I can't remember it - it's been too 
long) with the gypsy boy and the vampire....


carmel covered sheep for you,
Little Crow


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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 18:53:00 PDT
From: "Little Crow" <crowsaxton-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Mage Wars
Message-ID: <19970819015301.4500.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com>



>   I recently read Wind of Fate... and I agree with the review I saw.  
It
>seems pretty lame compared to the Gryphon books.  I couldn't belive 
that
>Elspeth was willing to go to war with the chance of being killed for 
her
>country, but she didn't want to stay on the Companions' preplanned 
path. 
>Something there doesn't add up.  

"Glorious Destinies lead to Glorious Funerals". That's why elspeth 
didn't want to follow the chosen path of the Companions. She still has a 
chance of dying in war but at least she can do it her way. She's 
fighting for her freedom. She'd rather risk dying than to be Ancar's 
slave, and when you think about it, predestination is a form of slavery.
She wouldn't be living her own life, she'd be living a life laid out for 
her
by someone else.

>   I also though the treatment of Dawnfire's predicament seemed like a
>deus ex machina.. It would've been cooler IMHO if they could come up 
with
>a spell that would allow her to stay in the hawk's body.

There's a reason Dawnfire becomes the Star-Eyed's Avatar, as you will 
see when you read the rest of the Winds books, as well as the Storm 
books.

>   There's one thing I'm confused about.  Is zhai'helleva a 'hello' or
>'goodbye'?  Fate they used it like hello, but some people I know online
>use it like goodbye.  (Does it have a translation?) 

Translated, it means "Wind to thy wings"                     

Little Crow
Trying not to BE.
(more difficult than Shakespeare makes it sound)

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 22:15:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: AERDEN-+AT+-delphi.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Hi, Kethry!
Message-ID: <01IMLN5CTPCI90ONOG-+AT+-delphi.com>

On 18-AUG-1997 01:19:28.7 mercedes-lackey said to AERDEN
Kethry--Good to meet you!  I'm Chantal Whittington, aka J. Healer Aerden of
StarRise Weyr in Pernfandom.  I don't have a Misty-type persona, but I do
enjoy her books, and have had fun on this mailing list.  I look forward to
hearing more from you.  :)



     Chantal                                                                                                                                 

`[1;33;47mRainbow V 1.20.2 for Delphi - Test Drive

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 21:56:38 -0700
From: larsen <larsen-+AT+-voyager.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Mage Wars
Message-ID: <33F92786.6BAC-+AT+-voyager.net>

Cristilyn Lawton wrote:
> 
> Martin C Dawson wrote:
> 
> 
> >    There's one thing I'm confused about.  Is zhai'helleva a 'hello' or
> > 'goodbye'?  Fate they used it like hello, but some people I know online
> > use it like goodbye.  (Does it have a translation?)
> 
> Zhai'helleva means "wind to thy wings".
> 
> Favorite flavored sheep to all for the one-liner.
> 
> Herald Darla
> 
> --
> Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.


Heyla!

I thought the Winds Series was a very good series.  Did you not read
Talia's series where Elspeth was the screwed up brat?  I think Elspeth
did rather good for herself.  And even after she renounced the crown,
she would give her life for her country, I think she was really good. 
And if it where up to you, would you want to stay on a preplanned path?

Brownhawk, you local Kal'enedral

P.S. I am still training and em' up for hire if any would wish to start
a war.  Or you know, if there is a war going on.

The sheep of a different flavor.

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 22:45:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: Greg Wooledge <wooledge-+AT+-kellnet.com>
To: Mercedes Lackey mailing list <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: characters and plots and Gryphons and stuff
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970818224440.29959A-100000-+AT+-phoenix.local>

Silverday <silverday-+AT+-hotmail.com> wrote:

>      I was just wondering if I was the only person that wished that
> there were more books about certian characters. Let me explain...
>      I was reading the Winds trilogy and When i finished I was hoping
> that the Storm series would be about Elspeth and Darkwind.

Each trilogy (or duology) is about a certain character or set of
characters.  Those characters are the protagonists only for that set of
books, and then Misty moves on to someone else.

Gryphon = Skandranon & Amberdrake (and their children)
Magic's = Vanyel & his lifebonbded
Arrows  = Talia
Oath    = Tarma & Kethry
Sword   = Kerowyn & Need
Winds   = Elspeth & Darkwind
Storms  = Karal, An'desha, et al.

The Storms and Winds books really don't fit the pattern of character-based
writing that her earlier books started.  In those series, she focuses
more on events than personalities (though with Storms I think she did
a good job of both characterization and plotting).

Remmington Crothian <remming-+AT+-ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> I agree, but it seems that the books Misty writes are more plot motivated then
> people.
> She writes about a place and what happens to that place over the period of
> time.  The
> people seem to serve that purpose.

(Psst!  Try to stick to under 80 columns. ;-)

That's not true with most of her earlier books (especially the Arrows
books).  In those, the whole purpose of the writing seems to be the
development of Talia's character; the plots almost seem to be thrown
in afterward.  Well, perhaps that's unfair -- AotQ is an "episodic"
work, but AFall has more of a single plot/theme.

It varies from book to book, but I think that overall Misty has placed
more emphasis on plotting and less on characterization in her newer
writing.

Tad <tadrith-+AT+-juno.com> wrote:

> As far as I calculate, Skan's parents were created by Urtho since (by
> Winterhart's age at the beginning of the wars and Tad and Keeth's
> develpoment between White and Silver)  there could only have been time
> for one generation to grow up.

Maybe I missed something when I read Black Gryphon, but I got the
impression that Urtho had been breeding the gryphon race for considerably
more than one generation by the time of Black Gryphon.

Tad <tadrith-+AT+-juno.com> also wrote:

>    There's one thing I'm confused about.  Is zhai'helleva a 'hello' or
> 'goodbye'?  Fate they used it like hello, but some people I know online
> use it like goodbye.  (Does it have a translation?)

It means "wind to thy wings".  Personally, I think that sounds more like
a parting phrase than a greeting phrase, but I suppose it could be used
either way.

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