MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1327 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re:Dyrstaf by "Angie" 2) bookshops by Ailsa Reid 3) Re: Does she read our list? by Melanie Dymond Harper 4) ADMIN: list will be down for some hours on Thurs 11th September by Melanie Dymond Harper 5) Whole wheat braid () by davidt-+AT+-cet.com (D H Tiffany/Shawn Marie Walker) 6) RE: Most Misty Selection by "Roesle, Kathy" 7) Re: Order of Misty Valdemar books by Sioned 8) RE : Suggestion by Melody 9) Queens Own :) by mdnewton-+AT+-unccvx.uncc.edu 10) Re: Queens Own :) by Cristilyn Lawton 11) Re: Queens Own :) by mdnewton-+AT+-unccvx.uncc.edu 12) Various stuff by tadrith-+AT+-juno.com (Tadrith Skandrakae) 13) Ma'ar "reincarnations", Book order by dprono-+AT+-planet.eon.net 14) Re Most Misty Selection by Cmaggie-+AT+-aol.com 15) Queens Own :) by AERDEN-+AT+-delphi.com 16) Re:suggestion and re:Firebird by Shawna 17) Re: Order of Misty Valdemar books by Sorana Shadowcat 18) Re: suggestion and re:Firebird by Sorana Shadowcat 19) Re: Most Misty Selection by adunster-+AT+-ritzville.org (Anna Dunster) 20) OOPS! :) by dprono-+AT+-planet.eon.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:57:23 +0800 From: "Angie" To: Subject: Re:Dyrstaf Message-ID: <199709100756.PAA15562-+AT+-zinc.singnet.com.sg> > In Black Gryphon, they discuss a thing called a dyrstaf that > induces fear. Skan says it doesn't attack directly, so shields don't > keep it out. But in the next breath, he says the mages and healers and > empaths were shielded, and not effected, but anyone else in the Palace > was! Explain, please... Maybe 'twas a YAMI? ah hah! DAW, pg 330. Drake goes: " 'And since it isn't _precisely_ attacking anyone or anything, most protective spells won't shield from it.' " pg331, he goes: " ' The _mages_ always slept under all kinds of personal shielding, so of course they weren't affected. Anyone with Healer training would also have slept under shields; remember, most Healers have some degree of Empathy, and this was an _emotion_. They would also have been protected against it.' " See, Drake said _most_ shields won't. Not ALL. All shielding includes those guarding against emotions, so the mages would have been protected against it. It's not an attacking weapon, so the Palace shields don't guard against it, besides, it was activated _behind_ the shields, the shields couldn't keep out something that was inside it! And I can't do that alt 0222 thingey. Nope, I tried, can't do it! Peanut butter sheep to all! BTW, to do the "click and it just goes" thing, jeannie, type out the entire thingey. (i.e http://www _______.com/___ ) Wind to Thy Wings Angie Mindmate to Raul (who is currently trying to relocate his family!) Elven Archer-Mage of Fairgrove >~~~~~> Lady of OOPS NoiSe AppReNtice!!!!! /{\ -+AT+-####<-+AT+->:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::> \{/ ICQ UIN: 2276722 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:19:24 +0100 (BST) From: Ailsa Reid To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: bookshops Message-ID: <199709100919.KAA27699-+AT+-brookes.ac.uk> Well, I don't really qualify as newbie or lurker, but thought I might as well put my comments in on this subject!!!!! <- yes I know The bookshops here in Oxford are pretty good. At least, Blackwells generally has some USA books in and will order anything for you so long as you can give them title, author, or ISBN. Whoever it was who said they're stationed in the UK (delete key strikes again) if you're anywhere near London, Bristol or Edinburgh there's a chain of shops called _Forbidden Planet_ who specialise in USA science-fiction/fantasy and comics. On a totally non-Misty note, _The Book of Night With Moon_ by Diane Duane is out in the UK :> It is definitely worth reading :> (It appears in the USA this winter) Ailsa Councillor of Mist ____________________________________________________________________________ | Ailsa Reid areid-+AT+-brookes.ac.uk | | "What a night though it's one of seven, | | What a night for the dancing dead," | | (_Les Morts Dansent_ by Magnum) | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:35:10 +0100 (BST) From: Melanie Dymond Harper To: mercedes-lackey Subject: Re: Does she read our list? Message-ID: <199709100935.KAA20968-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> Dave asked: > I have two question: > 1)Does Mercedeys Lackey read this list? > 2)Does someone who runs the Mercedes Lackey list assign "companions" to very > deserving people, who are on the list?? :) 1) Not that I am aware of (if someone on-list knows better, do tell me ;)) 2) Nope, Companions are assigned only through Queen's Own, which is an entirely separate deal. Cheers Mel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:41:58 +0100 (BST) From: Melanie Dymond Harper To: mercedes-lackey Subject: ADMIN: list will be down for some hours on Thurs 11th September Message-ID: <199709101041.LAA22484-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> Hi folks, Advance warning: the list and archives will be inoperative for some hours tomorrow while vanyel has some hardware maintenance and upgrades (for those who care: new disk, more memory). I'd hope that we'll be back online by about 5pm UK time (noon for the eastern US) but won't guarantee it! _Please_ don't send lots of mail saying "where's the list gone? why am I not getting messages?" because it'll just slow things down when everything comes back to life. Regards Mel Lackey listmistress ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 06:45:13 -0700 From: davidt-+AT+-cet.com (D H Tiffany/Shawn Marie Walker) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Whole wheat braid () Message-ID: Sombody [attribution lost to time winds] said; Lines: 53 X-Mailer: slip_it 2.2 > <sort of implys it but they never actually came out and said it. I would Actually, yes it does. MPrice (page748 of SFBC edition of LHM, Chapter 11) ""He ignored the sally. 'We think, and have proved, insofar as such a thing is possible to prove-that souls are reborn,'...your Stefen is, or was, the young one called Tylendel.'" Having said this diplomatically, so as not to offend Savil's beliefs, the Tyledras then explain why this was a nessecary reincarnation. ><Tarma?>> Yup. She appears as Leysha'e as early as the scene at the end of WoF with the Goddess & co facing down Falconsbane. then on Tue, 9 Sep 1997 Angie asked; >2) On WoC, DAW, pg 168, it is written: > " In fact, if there was a way to destroy his very soul, she'd do it, so >that there wouldn't even be a chance that he'd be reborn and start over >again, as some mages could." >They knew that mages could be reborn(like Ma'ar). So why were they so hyped >about Falconsbane = Ma'ar = Leareth? Because what Ma'ar did is not reincarnation, it was, for lack of a better term, theft of bodies and murder of souls. Not a soul being reborn like 'lendel but a soul forcing it's way into another soul's home and destroying the owner. Next on Tue, 09 Sep 1997 James B Collar inquired; >One last thing, very important, sort of...how do I keep the list from >bouncing my submissions back? I know you are getting them, I just don't >need my own coming back to me... send mail to : listproc-+AT+-herald.co.uk no subject and message SET MERCEDES-LACKEY MAIL NOACK Later that same day mdnewton-+AT+-unccvx.uncc.edu asked; >1)Does Mercedeys Lackey read this list? Only her ISP knows for sure! 8-{)# We're pretty certain her lawyers do, or at least have someone do. David Tiffany, Glot oft tipsyos ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 09:24:40 -0600 From: "Roesle, Kathy" To: "'mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk'" Subject: RE: Most Misty Selection Message-ID: >chain. Come on lurkers and newbies- what do you have to say? Well, I'm no lurker, and only marginally newbie, but my bookstore is Barnes and Nobel. Well, usually I do lurk and am relatively new to the list - but I have found good luck at Barnes & Noble, Media Play and a local used book store where, for some reason, you can always find copies of Misty books. (Which amazes me as I NEVER would get rid of them - only replace once they fall apart!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:00:28 -0600 (MDT) From: Sioned To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Order of Misty Valdemar books Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Sorana Shadowcat wrote: > keenath-+AT+-juno.com wrote: > > In Black Gryphon, they discuss a thing called a dyrstaf that > > induces fear. Skan says it doesn't attack directly, so shields don't > > keep it out. But in the next breath, he says the mages and healers and > > empaths were shielded, and not effected, but anyone else in the Palace > > was! Explain, please... I _think_ Skan was refering to the magical shields around & inside the > palace. Mages, Healers, & Empaths have full _personal_ shields up all the > time, not _magical_. There _is_ a difference, I'm just not sure what it > is. > The difference lies in that Empathic shields are for Mind-Magic, which is totally different from True Magic. ____________________________________________________________________________ Sioned, sioned-+AT+-swcp.com, www.swcp.com/~sioned ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Learning is not compulsory... neither is survival. --W. Edwards Deming ____________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 97 22:37:29 PDT From: Melody To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: RE : Suggestion Message-ID: >One last thing, very important, sort of...how do I keep the list from >bouncing my submissions back? I know you are getting them, I just >don't need my own coming back to me... > >Prince Ravnos' >Palace >--Prince_Ravnos-+AT+-juno.com >--sensoryoverload-+AT+-hotmail.com Hiya :o) If you would prefer not to see copies of anything that you have sent to the list, mail the list processor (listproc-+AT+-herald.co.uk), subject blank and message body SET MERCEDES-LACKEY MAIL NOACK To return to normal mail use the message body SET MERCEDES-LACKEY MAIL ACK This is what I got from the FAQ :o) Hope it helps!! Melody ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:55:21 EDT From: mdnewton-+AT+-unccvx.uncc.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Queens Own :) Message-ID: <009BA179.A4844BC0.42-+AT+-unccvx.uncc.edu> When people refere to the Queens Own, are they refering to the Mercedes Lackey Fan Club? (Don't they have advertisements in the back of most of misty's books?)Also, are they the ones who run this list? Anyway, I'm sooooooooo excited about finally being able to get a chance to read Owlflight!!!! I should have enough money by Friday, and I'll race to Borders and buy a hardcover copy!Can't wait!:) Dave(Herald wanabe, Admirer of Vanyel,and on a quest to find the Queens Own:) ) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 14:32:41 -0400 From: Cristilyn Lawton To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Queens Own :) Message-ID: <34159648.168E-+AT+-mindspring.com> mdnewton-+AT+-unccvx.uncc.edu wrote: > > When people refere to the Queens Own, are they refering to the Mercedes Lackey > Fan Club? (Don't they have advertisements in the back of most of misty's books?) Yep, thats the one. The address is : Queen's Own PO Box 132 Shiloh, NJ 08353 USA Dues are currently $8 for a 1 year subscription in the US and Canada, $10 elsewhere(in US currency only). This is for 9 issues. And no, they don't run this list. :) Herald Darla ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:54:03 EDT From: mdnewton-+AT+-unccvx.uncc.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Queens Own :) Message-ID: <009BA181.D7A4B320.64-+AT+-unccvx.uncc.edu> WOW!!! I met a herald:) *sigh* David (Herald wanabe, admirer of Vanyel, and Master of Fluff :) ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 16:24:19 -0500 From: tadrith-+AT+-juno.com (Tadrith Skandrakae) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Various stuff Message-ID: <19970910.162422.10902.0.tadrith-+AT+-juno.com> > I don't think Stefen was Tylendel's reincarnation... I'm sure >he was! >In fact, when the Hawkbrothers told Savil about it, Moondance said: >"We >think--and have proved, insofar as such a thing is possible to >prove--that >souls are reborn, sometimes even crossing species' boundaries. >Rebirth into >something of like intelligence, a "hertasi" perhaps being reborn as a >"kyree", >or a "kyree" as a human" The Hawkbrothers believed "that your Stefen >is, or >was, the young one called Tylendel". Hmm, that's interesting.. Then perhaps (pleasepleaseplease) there are plans to bring Skan back at some point...? >Hang on, wasn't it the Mage Storms and the Mage Wars that >came out around the >same time? Far as I remember, I found US editions of all >the Winds in London; >then Black Gryphon came out, then Storm Warning, White >Gryphon, Storm Rising, >Silver Gryphon and finally Storm Breaking. That makes more sense, because the gryphons in Winds were *vastly* different then those in the Gryphon Trilogy. If they were being written simultaneously you would expect them to be basically the same. >Angie wrote... >2) On WoC, DAW, pg 168, it is written: > " In fact, if there was a way to destroy his very >soul, she'd do it, so >that there wouldn't even be a chance that he'd be reborn >and start over >again, as some mages could." >They knew that mages could be reborn(like Ma'ar). So why >were they so hyped >about Falconsbane = Ma'ar = Leareth? Well, someone will probably tell me I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that it took a special spell to be able to come back (as Ma'ar did) with memories and all intact. It sounded like he took over an existing body, not being born again.. Ma'ar committed suicide in Black when faced with the Mage-bomb, ranting about revenge, coming back, yadda yadda yadda, you know the drill. Question: I heard that Larry Dixon drew the Firekkans in Wing Commander: Secret Missions 2. Does anyone know if this is true? -Tadrith ------------------------------------------ The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance. ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 18:06:13 -0700 From: dprono-+AT+-planet.eon.net To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Ma'ar "reincarnations", Book order Message-ID: <34174405.402B-+AT+-planet.eon.net> Yvonne wrote: Heyla Listsibs! I have a major question about the Ma'ar "reincarnations" (I'll call it that just for lack of a better word! :) ) Ma'ar is OBSSESED with revenge, and demands payback for every little thing that's done to him, and even for some that aren't, (at least in my view.) So why is he completely indifferent to Skif and Elspeth in the Winds books? Well, indifferent to revenge, as lust objects he is VERY interested (yuck). Why no Grand Plots for revenge on Vanyel's "family"? Oh, and another thing, like David the Master of Fluff, I am interested in Queen's Own, and I'm not sure if the dues are $8.00 for both Canada and the US. I live in Canada, so do I have to get my money changed to US dollars? And the order for reading the Misty books: definatly the Arrows series first because it explains some basic concepts like what Heralds are and their function. I gave the Storm books to one of my friends, and I had to explai FOREVER what Heralds were and compaions were, ect. Then I'd recomed the Oaths, then By the Sword, then the Winds series, the the Griffons, then the Storms. Caramel Sheep to ALL! :yum!: Not for you, Chiti! For the Listsibs. :grumble, grumble: Yvonne Shadowshape, bondmate to Chiti the Spotted-Crested Eagle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 21:12:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Cmaggie-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re Most Misty Selection Message-ID: <970910211037_1221205991-+AT+-emout19.mail.aol.com> Heyla: Usually I just lurk and read, but I thought I would put my 2 cents in on this thread! I'm a Waldenbooks Manager and the selection of Misty's books at my store is quite good but that's probably because I love her stuff:) Unfortunately bookstores stock what sells and I have noticed especially watching this list that we all shop at different places. Misty sells well for me but at another of our stores her stuff sits on the shelf( can't figure that one out though!). So as long as we keep buying her stuff everywhere they should stay in stock. Don't know that this means anything just thought I'd unlurk and comment. Wind to Thy Wings Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 21:19:16 -0400 (EDT) From: AERDEN-+AT+-delphi.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Queens Own :) Message-ID: <01INHPVV9MUA92DTGW-+AT+-delphi.com> On 10-SEP-1997 14:04:37.6 mercedes-lackey said to AERDEN me>When people refere to the Queens Own, are they refering to the me>Mercedes Lackey Fan Club? ... Also, are they the ones who run this list? Nope, QO doesn't run this list; Mel (Harris?) does. (Thank you, Mel!) me>Dave(Herald wanabe, Admirer of Vanyel,and on a quest to find the me>Queens Own:) ) It's better reading than the quest to find the 60-Second EMT, lemme tell ya..._Excellent_ information, not-good writing. (In case anyone is interested and needs first-aid information for story writing) Chantal `[1;31;42mRainbow V 1.20.2 for Delphi - Test Drive ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 18:26:30 -0700 From: Shawna To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re:suggestion and re:Firebird Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970911012630.006baa44-+AT+-mail.music.vt.edu> At 06:40 AM 9/10/97 +0100, you wrote: > >Cool quote...anyway, I ask...Firebird: is it new? Is it a series (or a >possible one like Sacred Ground)? This is my first hear of it.... > Many thanks for enjoyment of my quote... Re: Firebird, apparently it is first of series to be done where she retells certain fairy tails, and there is apparently already a second book out, but i don't know what it is called. Sorry not to be more informative! :) Shawna ---------------------------------------------------------------- As for my being eaten by a large mastadon, I am afraid that that is a negative, Althought there was an interesting experience involving a rhinoceros, an orange, and a purple polka dotted viola. ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:45:08 -0700 From: Sorana Shadowcat To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Order of Misty Valdemar books Message-ID: <34173F14.393E-+AT+-olypen.com> Heyla all! Sioned wrote: > > On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, I wrote: There _is_ a difference, I'm just not sure what it > > is. > > > The difference lies in that Empathic shields are for Mind-Magic, which is > totally different from True Magic. Oh, yeah. Duh! Thanks for reminding me. Yvonne- AFAIK the dues for QO are $8.00 U.S. & Canada, $10.00 everywhere else. Sorry for the short post. Mint chocolate chip cookie sheep to all. Zhai'helleva, Herald trainee (I am a Herald trainee aren't I?) Sorana Shadowcat, Knight of Amber and Marigold, & soon to be (I hope) Goddess of Flions *************************************************************************What is the dark; shadows around you, why not take heart in the new day? Ever and always. Always and ever. No one can promise a dream for you. Time gave both darkness and dreams to you. --Enya ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 18:10:38 -0700 From: Sorana Shadowcat To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: suggestion and re:Firebird Message-ID: <3417450E.A9E-+AT+-olypen.com> Hayla all! (again) Shawna wrote: > Re: Firebird, apparently it is first of series to be done where she retells > certain fairy tails, and there is apparently already a second book out, but > i don't know what it is called. Sorry not to be more informative! :) > It's called The Fire Rose. This is areally good book. You have got to read it. >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > As for my being eaten by a large mastadon, I am afraid that that is a > negative, Althought there was an interesting experience involving a > rhinoceros, an orange, and a purple polka dotted viola. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- I like that! That's so funny! Where'd you get it? Really sorry for sending two short posts in a row. chocolate shhep to all. Zhai'helleva, Herald trainee (right?) Sorana Shadowcat, Knight of Amber and Marigold, & soon to be (I hope) Goddess of Flions ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 02:15:16 GMT From: adunster-+AT+-ritzville.org (Anna Dunster) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Most Misty Selection Message-ID: <34174808.223443-+AT+-Ritzville.org> this is mainly to "jeannie" , so when I say "you" that's who I mean.=20 On Wed, 10 Sep 1997 06:02:22 +0100 (BST), thou didst write to me, and this is what thou didst write: >sorry - don't know how to do that thing where you click it and it goes. = :) Some email programs do that automatically, like mine. :-) So I can double click and it'll go there. And most email programs don't support html text, either, like mine. Eudora does, at least some (I know you use it . . . function of Agent I like), I know because my cousin uses it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:14:57 -0700 From: dprono-+AT+-planet.eon.net To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: OOPS! :) Message-ID: <34176231.3548-+AT+-planet.eon.net> Heyla All, especially Dave, I am really Sorry! I got your name wrong on my last posting! I appologise from the bottom of my heart. Oh, and keep asking for Queen's Own, as I am following your progress and hoping to find them too! Good-luck, WTTW Yvonne Shadowshape, bondmate to Chiti, Spotted-Crested Eagle (Newbie and Fluff contributer!) ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1327 **********************************