MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1348 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Hi , out there by Tay Hua Hui 2) Re: Krebain/fan art of van/shin'a'in stallions/snipping by "Angie" 3) Song??? by "Stefen-KC-Mulder" 4) Re: braid by 95662014 <95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk> 5) Re: Song??? by "Tay Hua Hui" 6) Re: Shin'a'in stallions & fav by Mark Cook & Tracy Hansel 7) Grove Born Companions by "Corinne Kays" 8) Elspeth's abdication & Favs by nme848-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu (Nina Ehgartner) 9) Re: braid by Amber 10) Re: Grove Born Companions by Amber 11) Re: Elspeth's abdication & Favs by Amber 12) re: Elspeth's abdication & Favs by Ailsa Reid 13) Re: Grove Born Companions by DMage 14) Re: Grove Born Companions by Christie Maas 15) Time Line by Tiffany_Moore-+AT+-post.wesleyan-college.edu (Tiffany Moore) 16) Re: Grove Born Companions by Tiffany_Moore-+AT+-post.wesleyan-college.edu (Tiffany Moore) 17) Re: Elspeth's abdication & Favs by Tiffany_Moore-+AT+-post.wesleyan-college.edu (Tiffany Moore) 18) Re: Elspeth's abdication & Favs by Amber 19) Re: Help!!!!!!!!!!! by SailorNarf-+AT+-aol.com 20) Re: Re: LHM/Bardic/SB/Question by Ashali9928-+AT+-aol.com 21) Van/Gaki/Ma'ar/FavoritesandFirsts/Gating/Shin'a'inhorses/Monarc by MorningStar 22) Shin'a'in stallions by "Robin Lao" 23) Re: Re: Grove Born Companions by Ashali9928-+AT+-aol.com 24) Re: Grove Born Companions by Ashali9928-+AT+-aol.com 25) Re:Ma'ar/FavoritesandFirsts/heirs/Gala-Yfandes by Eleonora Scoseria 26) Thanx 4 Grove Born by "Corinne Kays" 27) Shin'a'in steeds by "Corinne Kays" 28) Stallions by MorningStar ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:59:36 +0800 From: Tay Hua Hui To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Hi , out there Message-ID: <342F51D8.20A9E6F7-+AT+-singnet.com.sg> HELLOW there , Uh , this is Starsinger here , back from a HUGELY LONG absence of nearly 1/2 the year ! My dad unsubscribed for me . Anyway , just saying hi to EVERYONE out there and I hope I haven't left off too many important things . Starsinger Wild Magic Singer of the Star ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 16:07:17 +0800 From: "Angie" To: Subject: Re: Krebain/fan art of van/shin'a'in stallions/snipping Message-ID: <199709290809.QAA29962-+AT+-iron.singnet.com.sg> Corinne Kays wrote: : line....hehe, but Kerbain COULD be Ma'ar, since he said all of his blood : line, so maybe one of the non-Gifted of his off-spring had a kid with : the Gift. (Remember he said never that ALL of his kids would be Gifted) Yeah, but that would mean that _anyone_ could become a descendant of Ma'ar! and: : Besides that according to the time-line FIFTY years passed between : Promise and Price which I think is a load of bull because that would : make Van 67 or something....hehe That and in Price Van deduces that Stef : was born around the same time as 'Lendel (sp?) died. So that would make : Van in his... um 34 ... I think.... Well, the first book occured(sp?) at the end of Elspeth's reign, and the last two books was at the beginning? of Randi's reign. Hmm, IIRC, Van went in MPrice (just b4 he died and as he realised that Stef could be a reinc of 'Lendel), that 'Lendel died 20 years ago. Stef's 17, Van was 15?16?17? when 'Lendel died. That _would_ result in van bein about 34-37? and: : ARGH! This is something really annoying, you wanna do a page for your : fav char. AND THERE ARE NO BEEPING THINGS FOR HIM except the coverart. Hmm, I seem to have seen arts of Van at Valdemar's Heartstone, the Vanyel fanclub thing? They were fan art, so I don't know if you'd like to have a link to your page? Catherine A Murdoch said: : Now : I was under the impression that the Shin'a'in stallions never left the : plains. Could somone clarify this for me please? Which was probably the reason why Stefan was so pleased. :) No, Tarma prob gave him the best of the culls, if that's not too oxymoron-ish. She did the same for Kero's dad, remember? I thought it was the mares that weren't allowed? *scratches head* never mind... People, people, I hope this doesn't come across as too demanding or rude, but could ye please please (look! I'm on my knees!) SNIP the unnecessary parts? And don't quote the entire message? Please? I'm begging here! Especially not quoting an entire chunk/braid and reply with one-liners or "Me too"s. Thank you! I know you want to become a part of Cennyyd's Drifting Ashes, but you don't have to carry it this far! ;| Watermelon sheep to all and ice-cream sheep to newbies. Dragons and wyrsa available in same flavours for bigger eaters. ;) Wind to Thy Wings Angie Mindmate to Raul (who is currently trying to relocate his family!) Elven Archer-Mage of Fairgrove >>~~~~~> Lady of OOPS NoiSe AppReNtice!!!!! /{\ -+AT+-####<-+AT+->:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::> \{/ ICQ UIN: 2276722 Visit my homepage at ~> http:/members.tripod.com/~Shadowblade/index.html < self-advertisement, gotta hate it!;) > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 17:47:58 +0800 From: "Stefen-KC-Mulder" To: "mercedes-lackey" Subject: Song??? Message-ID: <199709290950.RAA19880-+AT+-wisteria.singnet.com.sg> >Hi pple! >Just wondering, does any1 've the tunes to the songs behind MPrice and AF? >E,g, Kerowyn's Ride, My Lady's Eyes etc........ I would really like to listen to them! > mail me!!!!! >Thanx. > Stefen Hoo -+AT+- Moonwind k'Sheyna........... >Lackey enthusiast, Singapore........... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:54:51 +0100 From: 95662014 <95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk> To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: braid Message-ID: <52379A71C33-+AT+-ghondr.mmu.ac.uk> > From: Amber > If I'm not mistaken, the ability wasn't "lost" until after magic > disappeared from Valdemar. Up until that point, gating, along with > every other form of magic, was very common. > Amber Even in Vanyels time Gating HAD to be done with some place to ancor the gate. Even the Hawkbrothers tied their gates to cave mouths. E.G. When Savil went to get help after Van was hit with the leech blade, She knew where the Vale was so could have just popped up anywhere but had to ancor the gate to the cave. JMHO > Dawn > > I have a quote but it's a little long and rather obscure : (It was either this or orgasms) ????????? To get off the list send to listproc -+AT+-herald.co.uk NO Subject Message:- unsubscribe mercedes-lackey [Your name] > From: Catherine A Murdoch > To: 95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk Subject: Shin'a'in stallions > > I am a tad confused here. In "Oathbreakers" Tarma offers Stefan > three mares and a stallion if he will get Leslac out of her hair for > good. Now I was under the impression that the Shin'a'in stallions > never left the plains. Could somone clarify this for me please? Only the Battlesteed stallions don't leave the Plains. AFAIK. Well TTFN ************************************************ Zha'hai'allav'a Kalen Shena Vuysher'edras Kal'enedral [OIB](AKA Jason Stokes) 95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk "If we shadows have offended, think but this and all is mended. That you have but slumbered here While these visions did appear". *Puck, Midsummer Nights Dream* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 17:54:49 -0300 From: "Tay Hua Hui" To: Subject: Re: Song??? Message-ID: <199709290957.RAA29542-+AT+-zinc.singnet.com.sg> Uh , I think that you could go to http://www.firebirdarts.com I think that they might have the wav. files there of the first bits of the songs . They are really nice when I last heard them , they are awfully expensive though ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 04:17:26 -0700 From: Mark Cook & Tracy Hansel To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Shin'a'in stallions & fav Message-ID: <342F8E46.2569-+AT+-worldnet.att.net> Catherine A Murdoch wrote: > > I am a tad confused here. In "Oathbreakers" Tarma offers Stefan three > mares and a stallion if he will get Leslac out of her hair for good. Now > I was under the impression that the Shin'a'in stallions never left the > plains. Could somone clarify this for me please? > The battlesteed stallions never leave the plains, other stallions may, however. My favorite Velgarth books would have to be Vows and Honor, with my favorite characters being Tarma and Keth. My favorite Misty is the Di Tregarde books, however! And I would do allmost anything to be like Di! She's sort of the definitive 'gee, I'd like to be like this kinda person' that I held in the back of my head as I grew up. (years ago) sigh..... Tracy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 04:58:33 PDT From: "Corinne Kays" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Grove Born Companions Message-ID: <19970929115833.21035.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Okay I'm new to the list so forgive any newbie actions. So if you guys heard this already tell me how it turned out. I saw some post about Heralds/Companions being reborn as the other, hence Gweena's slip when she called Sayvil, Savil. Well, while reading Storm Breaking, Darkwind was thinking to himself about the Grove Born:"Grove-born, the herald's called it, and claimed that instead of being physically brought into being the normal way, they simply appeared, full-grown in the middle of Companion's field. Now with that in mind, I think it is utterly possible for Gala, after repudiated Tyledel and killed herself. She MAY have become Y'fades and a Grove Born, since Van would obviously need to have one in his future. There would have been plenty of time for Gala/Fandes to get from COmpanion's Field to the rive before Van drowned himself. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 06:50:11 -0500 From: nme848-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu (Nina Ehgartner) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Elspeth's abdication & Favs Message-ID: <199709291307.IAA00123-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu> Something just occurred to me over the weekend. It seems to me that most kingdoms on Velgarth favor the practice of primogeniture, where the first born son will become the next monarch. Selenay became queen because there was no male heir. Now, Elspeth abdicated in favor of her younger brother, but did she really have to? Even though she is older, he is the first and only male heir. So, wouldn't he automatically become the heir apparent once he is Chosen? Or does the Valdemarian monarchy continue on through the eldest Chosen offspring of the royal family? As for my favorite series/book and charcters, the former would be a tie between BG and BTS, and the latter would be Skan, Kero, and Tarma. Nina Ehgartner Admissions Assistant-Office of Admissions and Financial Aid J.L. Kellogg Graduate School of Management email: nme848-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu Phone: (847) 491-3308 Fax: (847) 491-4960 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 09:40:23 -0400 From: Amber To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: braid Message-ID: <342FAFC7.F22-+AT+-gte.net> 95662014 wrote: > Even in Vanyels time Gating HAD to be done with some place to ancor > the gate. Even the Hawkbrothers tied their gates to cave mouths. > E.G. When Savil went to get help after Van was hit with the leech > blade, She knew where the Vale was so could have just popped up > anywhere but had to ancor the gate to the cave. I had always thought (and it's once again, as always, possible I am mistaken in this %^} ) that using a physical doorways was done for 2 other reasons... One, it's easier to hang something on a frame of something else, and two, It's less likely that harm will come to someone on the waiting end. It's a lot easier to say, "This doorway is the one that is to be used when gating into the Keep, so try to avoid using it" than it is to say "Someone could be gating into this huge space sometime. Don't walk here." This way, one doesn't have to worry about harm befalling either caster or unwary victim. (*I* for one wouldn't want to walk in the middle of gate energies forming! %^} ) But, this explanation could be way off base! Though, this does make me wonder... Is there a "good side" and a "bad side" to enter from in a gate terminus? And if not, I wonder what would happen if two people entered the gate from opposite directions at the same time... Wind to thy Wings, Amber ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 09:48:24 -0400 From: Amber To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Grove Born Companions Message-ID: <342FB1A8.1410-+AT+-gte.net> Corinne Kays wrote: > Now with that in mind, I think it is utterly possible for Gala, > after repudiated Tyledel and killed herself. She MAY have become >Y'fades > and a Grove Born, since Van would obviously need to have one in his > future. There would have been plenty of time for Gala/Fandes to get from > COmpanion's Field to the rive before Van drowned himself. I don't think that 'Fandes was Grove Born, though. Unlike Gwena (who I believe would be a more likely candidate if Gala was reborn into a Grove Born companion), the Heralds DID remember 'Fandes quite well. She was the only companion that had not chosen in 10 years. My personal feeling was that she was being saved for the "special one" to come along (whether it was known to be Van, I don't even want to begin to speculate), but I honestly don't believe she was Grove Born. If I am remembering correctly (and I honestly am trying to do this without aid of book! %^} ) the only Companions to be Grove Born before Gwena came along were the Companions to the Monarch's Own. As always, I could be mistaken... Wind to thy Wings, Amber ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:00:49 -0400 From: Amber To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Elspeth's abdication & Favs Message-ID: <342FB491.1822-+AT+-gte.net> Nina Ehgartner wrote: > > was no male heir. Now, Elspeth abdicated in favor of her younger brother, > but did she really have to? Even though she is older, he is the first and > only male heir. So, wouldn't he automatically become the heir apparent once > he is Chosen? Or does the Valdemarian monarchy continue on through the > eldest Chosen offspring of the royal family? Except that Elspeth had already been crowned Heir Apparent. It would have been kind of rude to say, "Ok, you now have a brother, so give us the crown back." But, on the other hand, in Valdemar, it could very well be that the eldest chosen child becomes Monarch. We know there have been many Queen's in Valdemar's past, and it would be very difficult to believe (though not impossible) that all of them were only children. Also bear in mind that the term is actually "Monarch's Own" rather than "King's Own", and is actually tailored to fit the gender of whatever Monarch currently reigns in Valdemar. I could be way off base here, and if so, just dismiss my ramblings as the ramblings of a fool that got too little sleep last night! On to the subject of "Favorite Book/Favorite Character"... I have to say book would be "Arrows Fall" (I love the strength of the characters, the adversity the face, the things they learn about their own Companions... And I love the ending... So romantic!) My favorite character would have to be Talia. I identify with her and, as she reacted when she first got to Haven, I would do anything just to be NEAR Heralds... clean floors, cook, it doesn't matter. If I can't be one, if I could just be influenced by one and learn by their examples... Talia is such a strong person, but strong in a quiet way. I like that. Wind to thy Wings, Amber ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 16:00:41 +0100 (BST) From: Ailsa Reid To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: re: Elspeth's abdication & Favs Message-ID: <199709291500.QAA28037-+AT+-brookes.ac.uk> Nina said: >Something just occurred to me over the weekend. It seems to me that most >kingdoms on Velgarth favor the practice of primogeniture, where the first >born son will become the next monarch. Selenay became queen because there >was no male heir. Now, Elspeth abdicated in favor of her younger brother, >but did she really have to? Even though she is older, he is the first and >only male heir. So, wouldn't he automatically become the heir apparent once >he is Chosen? Or does the Valdemarian monarchy continue on through the >eldest Chosen offspring of the royal family? I got the impression that it was the eldest Chosen child of the Monarch who was named heir, and male/female was irrelevant. I seem to remember that in Valdemars grandchildren it was the _second_ child that was chosen (mentioned somewhere around the start of Arrows ?the Orientation Class?) And didn't Elspeth abdicate in favour of "the twins" as either could be chosen? Its a while since I read Arrows or Winds to check any of this, so it's mostly guesswork :) Mind you, I don't know what happens if both twins are Chosen... wonder which is older? Ailsa, running around in circles cos term just started! Councillor of Mist ____________________________________________________________________________ | Ailsa Reid areid-+AT+-brookes.ac.uk | | "What a night though it's one of seven, | | What a night for the dancing dead," | | (_Les Morts Dansent_ by Magnum) | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 09:36:58 From: DMage To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Grove Born Companions Message-ID: <3.0.2.16.19970929093658.3b5720f2-+AT+-mail.geocities.com> > Now with that in mind, I think it is utterly possible for Gala, >after repudiated Tyledel and killed herself. She MAY have become Y'fades >and a Grove Born, since Van would obviously need to have one in his >future. There would have been plenty of time for Gala/Fandes to get from >COmpanion's Field to the rive before Van drowned himself. Interesting thought... But that can't be... Remember the talk about Yfandes being the one who hadn't chosen for 10 years? |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| Jack Dorland The Lair of the Sylvan Mage: http://www.geocities.com/~chakram Email: chakram-+AT+-geocities.com ICQ: 393613 |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| Rotisserie: A Ferris Wheel for chickens. |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 19:23:17 +0200 From: Christie Maas To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Grove Born Companions Message-ID: <342FE405.50F-+AT+-ch.twi.tudelft.nl> Corinne Kays wrote: > Hi , Corinne wrote: > Now with that in mind, I think it is utterly possible for Gala, > after repudiated Tyledel and killed herself. She MAY have become Y'fades > and a Grove Born, since Van would obviously need to have one in his > future. There would have been plenty of time for Gala/Fandes to get from > COmpanion's Field to the rive before Van drowned himself. > Hate to disappoint you: but it's not true! Savil: Yfandes? the only full grown companion in the Field that hasn't chosen for over ten years-and now she's Chosen Vanyel?! Greetz, christie. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 13:05:38 -0400 From: Tiffany_Moore-+AT+-post.wesleyan-college.edu (Tiffany Moore) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Time Line Message-ID: <131038.14224725-+AT+-post.wesleyan-college.edu> It is set in stone in the time line that there was definitely a fifty year gap between MPawn and the other books because she reigned from 750 until 798....and she was old when Van became a Herald....and as there is no definite end to Randale's reign time line but we know his rule was under 20 years because of Jisa. Thus, Vanyel was probably around 34 or so.....not 60..... Tiffany ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 13:09:27 -0400 From: Tiffany_Moore-+AT+-post.wesleyan-college.edu (Tiffany Moore) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Grove Born Companions Message-ID: <1204482046.14238607-+AT+-post.wesleyan-college.edu> I don't think assuming that Gala is Yfandes is in any way possible........while it is true that they could be reborn........the trauma of Tylendel's end would probably not have made Gala want to return because she had essential been betrayed by her chosen. There is no evidence anywhere to suggest that as shown in the Forest of shadows when Tyl/Stef body fluctuated. There was no such double imagining when we are shown Yfandes. T.M> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 13:12:23 -0400 From: Tiffany_Moore-+AT+-post.wesleyan-college.edu (Tiffany Moore) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Elspeth's abdication & Favs Message-ID: <1955852286.14249065-+AT+-post.wesleyan-college.edu> It would seem that it would be the oldest heir because their are a lot of female aristocratic heads....and there is obviously equality in most places in Valdemar because of their schooling system which both male and females attend and although there are some gender prejuidices they seem to be located at the borders. Tiffany ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 13:14:41 -0400 From: Amber To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Elspeth's abdication & Favs Message-ID: <342FE201.3A3F-+AT+-gte.net> Ailsa Reid wrote: > Mind you, I don't know what happens if both twins are Chosen... wonder which > is older? Hmmm... interesting question. The most obvious way to solve it would be that if one of the twins were chosen as Monarch's Own. The bonding they had while learning all there is to learn about being a Herald would not be a permanent bonding (I think this was mentioned in Magic's Pawn or Magic's Price... ) and then they would bond with Rolan (or, Gods forbid something happens to both Talia AND Rolan, whatever Stallion takes Rolan's place... and let that be far future!) I think that may be what would happen (maybe I read it somewhere? It's been awhile since I've read Winds also... ) As always, this could just be the ramblings of a fool... %^} Wind to thy Wings, Amber ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:04:31 -0400 (EDT) From: SailorNarf-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Help!!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: <970929140156_-1027837045-+AT+-emout01.mail.aol.com> I can't deal with all this mail...the list is great and all but I get enough mail already so if someone could tell me...I'd appreciate it ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 15:12:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Ashali9928-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Re: LHM/Bardic/SB/Question Message-ID: <970929150428_-696488036-+AT+-emout15.mail.aol.com> Oh, I agree about how whining makes Vanyel human. Sometimes I just want to yell at Starwind&Moondance "Why can't you have a failing, a vice, a peeve, anything!" Also, I think that the Mavelans were hired by Leareth. Also the Lesharas, who hired Krebain. Here is a small note: Vanyel once said that Randale's relative Herald-Mage Darvi, maybe his dad, was supposed to be Heir to the Throne but he fell down a staircase and killed himself. Maybe Leareth had a hand in that , eh? All it would take was a tiny little bit of power to push him over. Ecchy guy, Ma'ar. I'm glad he died. Savarana Sappharine ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 13:34:43 -0600 From: MorningStar To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Van/Gaki/Ma'ar/FavoritesandFirsts/Gating/Shin'a'inhorses/Monarc Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970929133443.006a26b4-+AT+-mail.geocities.com> Such a long subject line didn't work well, so here it is again... Van/Gaki/Ma'ar/FavoritesandFirsts/Gating/Shin'a'inhorses/Monarchy/Yfandes/ -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ -+- Sarah Margaret wrote: >I don't think Van meant that he was composing music, I think he meant he >was learning new music... IMHO, of course.. I could very well be wrong! >(Though, with the Bardic and Healing inconsistancies in LHM, it very well >might just be a line that was forgotten..) Like I said, it was just idle speculation, it kind of interested me, so I thought I would share. :) -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ -+- Angie asked: >If Eric needed to summon the Nightflyers (in Urban Fantasies) to actually >get the creatures to come into this universe, how did the gaki in DT (COtN) >arrive? Through the Jeffries guy? (More idle speculation) I don't think the gaki came from the same place as the nightflyers, or that it had to be summoned in the same way. Seems to me that the gaki was stronger and perhaps came from our "universe" so to speak... (I'm really into idle speculation, just in case you hadn't noticed. :) ) -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ -+- Corinne Kays wrote: >When Ma'ar was around there wasn't even a Valdemar yet, so he never met >them that way. And when Kerbain met Vanyel I don't think he knew what >the Whites meant. Here's another thing: You're SURE Learath was Ma'ar? I >don't think him being able to transfer his spirit from his descendants >means that he is responsible for EVERY dark mage in the Valdemar series. Well, I can't find my books at the moment, much less textevd within them, but I remember that there's a scene where Falconsbane takes over An'desha's body (I believe it's a memory scene) and he lists off his old names, or at least a few of them. Would someone who can find the books and knows what I'm talking about kindly check it out? :) Thanks! -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ -+- My Favorite Misty (since it seems to be coming up again..) My favorite book is definitely Knight of Ghosts and Shadows, it's just so emotional and I love it... it makes me laugh and cry and everything. :) My fave character...um... never really had one, although I suppose it would have to be Talia if I did... just because. :) As far as my firsts, I first started reading Misty on the reccomendation of a girl I met in a bookstore and have never seen again. She reccomended that I read LHM, and I bought MPawn that very day. Misty was kinda my launching pad for a couple of other favorite authors--I started reading Anne McCaffrey after reading "The Ship who Searched" by Mercedes Lackey and Anne McCaffrey, and Andre Norton after the ElvenBane series. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ -+- Sarah Margaret wrote: (about Gates) >Now, how I had read it was slightly different; the only thing a mage >really _needed_ to build a gate was a place (s)he had seen before, and knew >in memory well, but it was much better if the other end was shielded. It >seemed in Magic's Pawn, both Savil and 'Lendel can Gate perfectly well >without shielding, so long as they both had a picture of the place they >wanted to Gate to, then in Magic's Promise, they suddenly needed a shielded >Gate terminus -- ie, the church. I thought they needed to at least start with a fixture, like the gate in the hedge that 'Lendel used to gate to the Leshara lands. The thing in MPromise with the shielded chapel was that Savil had an obligation to not put the Tayledras in danger that she could avoid, and the best way to do that was to build the Gate from the shielded, sacred ground, to protect them from attackers. The shield in that case also was mentioned as possibly helping to keep Van from feeling the Gate energy because he was still sensitive to it. Maybe? -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ -+- Catherine Murdoch asks: >I am a tad confused here. In "Oathbreakers" Tarma offers Stefan three >mares and a stallion if he will get Leslac out of her hair for good. Now >I was under the impression that the Shin'a'in stallions never left the >plains. Could somone clarify this for me please? I believe she was speaking of saddlebreds, but I'm not certain... I'll have to look up the textevd, if I can find the book. :) Ok, I'm back from looking for the book... Oathbreakers, paperback, 273-274 "Lelsac?" Roald said curiously. "Minstrel, isn't he? Dark hair, swarthy, thing? Popular with women?" "That's him," groaned Tarma, hiding her face in her hands. "What's it worth to you," he asked, leaning forward, and wearing a slyly humorous expression, "to get him packed off to Valdemar? Permanently?" "Choice of Tale'sedrin's herds," she said quickly, "Three mares and a stallion, and anything but battlesteeds." "Four mares, and one of them sworn to be in-foal." (end textevd) It was the battlesteed stallions they don't let off the plains! And look, it's NOT idle speculation this time! :) -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ -+- On Valdemar's monarchy and such... Elspeth abdicated in favor of the twins, not either twin particularly... In fact, it seems that no one knew which twin it would be! Anyone have any ideas or textevd about that? (still can't find most of my books...) Although I do remember someone saying that there would be likely fights among the Companions over who got to Choose the twins later... -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ -+- On the topic of 'Fandes being Gala, reincarnated and GroveBorn... Jack Dorland said: >Interesting thought... But that can't be... Remember the talk about Yfandes >being the one who hadn't chosen for 10 years? Well, that's not absolute proof--remember how Rolan changed Talia's memory so she "remembered" Gwena? The Companions COULD have done that... Mind, I don't think it's highly LIKELY...but I just wanted to point out that it's possible. :) -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ -+- Wow! There's my writing for a week or so... Anyways... have fun! MorningStar Known to one and all as MorningStar, alternate names accepted at times Mindmate to the tawny eagle Ryia! morningstar-+AT+-poetic.com dawnrain00-+AT+-aol.com I can attempt to help those of you on AOL or anyone who uses Eudora Lite, IE Mail, or Netscape mail. ICQ UIN: 1425359 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 12:48:31 PDT From: "Robin Lao" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Shin'a'in stallions Message-ID: <19970929194831.15992.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> >I am a tad confused here. In "Oathbreakers" Tarma offers Stefan >three >mares and a stallion if he will get Leslac out of her hair for good. >Now >I was under the impression that the Shin'a'in stallions never left >the >plains. Could somone clarify this for me please? It's not so much the STALLIONS that never leave the plains. It's just the BATTLESTEED stallions (and mares) that never leave ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 17:06:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Ashali9928-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Re: Grove Born Companions Message-ID: <970929151751_-1964506341-+AT+-emout18.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 9/29/97 2:17:32 PM, you wrote: << My personal feeling was that she was being saved for the "special one" to come along (whether it was known to be Van, I don't even want to begin to speculate), but I honestly don't believe she was Grove Born.>> I think it was just that Yfandes just didn't find anyone right till then. Besides SOME Companion would have to Choose Vanyel (ok, not HAVE but you get my drift). After all, just before Van goes bye-bye in MPrice 'Fandes said she knew wahat would happen to her (her sacrifice and all) the moment she Chose him but she didn't regret her choice. Maybe she was the only Companion brave enough till then. Also :sigh: I know how everything can't be perfect, but it would be nice if Grove-borns were'nt considered so much higher than other Companions. All it is is that they are a new soul so they don't have expireience of past lives like other Companions. Lastly, Starwind called Companions lash'a Kaladra once. Don't that sound like leshya Kal'endral? They are both Guardian Spirits though Companions are of a higher order than Swordsworn and Grove-Born are of the highest order. Fare thee well. Savarana Sappharine ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 17:10:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Ashali9928-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Grove Born Companions Message-ID: <970929152258_-1597086944-+AT+-emout17.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 9/29/97 3:12:49 PM, you wrote: << Now with that in mind, I think it is utterly possible for Gala, after repudiated Tyledel and killed herself. She MAY have become Y'fades and a Grove Born, since Van would obviously need to have one in his future. There would have been plenty of time for Gala/Fandes to get from COmpanion's Field to the rive before Van drowned himself.>> I don't think so cuz the spirit of Fandes would be pushed out by Gala.I don't think Companions would send eachothers souls into oblivion before it was time, do you? Also, it would sort of be like having to Chosen in the same lifetime. Last, well, there's no proof that Fandes is Groveborn right? Besides, Fandes has been around for more than 10 years. Had to stick my foot in. Sorry. Savarana Sappharine ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:21:31 -0300 From: Eleonora Scoseria To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re:Ma'ar/FavoritesandFirsts/heirs/Gala-Yfandes Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970929182131.006b2d5c-+AT+-nicasio.distrinet.com.uy> >Corinne Kays wrote: >>When Ma'ar was around there wasn't even a Valdemar yet, so he never met >>them that way. And when Kerbain met Vanyel I don't think he knew what >>the Whites meant. Here's another thing: You're SURE Learath was Ma'ar? I >>don't think him being able to transfer his spirit from his descendants >>means that he is responsible for EVERY dark mage in the Valdemar series. MorningStar added: >Well, I can't find my books at the moment, much less textevd within them, >but I remember that there's a scene where Falconsbane takes over An'desha's >body (I believe it's a memory scene) and he lists off his old names, or at >least a few of them. Would someone who can find the books and knows what >I'm talking about kindly check it out? :) Thanks! Well, having just moved I cannot find the books. But IIRC there is definite textevd to the effect that Ma'ar was in fact Leareth. ________ On the subject of fave Misty, my own is Magic's Pawn. As to fave characters, I'd say Kerowyn for female and Vanyel for male. As to the first Misty I ever read it was Oathbreakers. I just happened to find it at the bookshop and tho it was a second part it sounded interesting so I bought it (living in Uruguay does not allow you to be too chooosy when it comes to books in English). MorningStar wrote: >On Valdemar's monarchy and such... >Elspeth abdicated in favor of the twins, not either twin particularly... >In fact, it seems that no one knew which twin it would be! Anyone have any >ideas or textevd about that? (still can't find most of my books...) >Although I do remember someone saying that there would be likely fights >among the Companions over who got to Choose the twins later... The impression I get throughout the books is that being male was not really a concern. Rather, the decision was apparently left to the Companions. As to how it would be determined in the case that both twins were chosen, I can't come up with any positive evidence in one sense or another. On the topic of 'Fandes being Gala, reincarnated and GroveBorn... Jack Dorland said: >>Interesting thought... But that can't be... Remember the talk about Yfandes >>being the one who hadn't chosen for 10 years? and MorningStar added: >Well, that's not absolute proof--remember how Rolan changed Talia's memory >so she "remembered" Gwena? The Companions COULD have done that... >Mind, I don't think it's highly LIKELY...but I just wanted to point out >that it's possible. :) Well, while possible, I think it highly unlikely, specially since Gala had just "died" under very stressing circumstances and I don't think even a Companion's spirit would have been able to return so soon without needing first some time to get over the trauma, so to speak. This is of course just idle speculation on my part. =) Peace, Ele Councilor of Mist ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:53:24 PDT From: "Corinne Kays" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Thanx 4 Grove Born Message-ID: <19970929215325.26840.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Heyla Wing-sibs! Thanks for the information on the Grove Born thing.... I sorta never got around to reading the Arrows Trilogy (I know evil me) since its always gone or I can find are the 2nd and 3rd. If I'm buying a book I want ALL them and bought in order. So, I never even HEARD about Rolan making Talia remembered Gwenna.. Its also been a full SUMMER since reading Pawn so I kinda sorta forgot about Savil's line. But to continue the recarnation part, I think its possible that Gala once being a Herald, thus all of Van's and 'Lendel's imagining seeing a young woman were she stood. (Can anyone think of someone she might be?) But its STILL possible that 'Fandes is Grove-Born....just not Gala.... I remember seeing in Breaking that Darkwind said "USUALLY they are the Monarch's Own, and since Rolan and Gwenna, there have never been two Grove Born's at the same time." Or something like that. I thought of this at the same time Darkwind said it so I really didn't check to see if it was possible....besides Van was cool, he deserves a Grove Born!! :P And to the part of Learth (sp?) been awhile since I read Fate too, soooo I missed that part too....but once you mentioned that I was like: "OH YEAH! I feel so stupid now......" And there is NO way Kerbain could be Ma'ar; can't imagine that pompus upstart wearing crimson velvet. *shudders* Yuck. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:56:55 PDT From: "Corinne Kays" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Shin'a'in steeds Message-ID: <19970929215655.14086.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Okay dokey, I never read the Oath books, but this is about BtS.. Wasn't the steed Tarma gave Kero a warsteed or was it a very well trained warhorse named Hellsbane? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 16:01:23 -0600 From: MorningStar To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Stallions Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970929160123.006a12ec-+AT+-mail.geocities.com> Robin Lao wrote: >It's not so much the STALLIONS that never leave the plains. It's just >the BATTLESTEED stallions (and mares) that never leave Sorry for the short add-on, but this is my second online time of the day and so I got this after I sent off that long note. :) Anyways, the mares do leave--both Tarma and Kethry rode on battlemares throught their career with the Skybolts, and Tarma gave them to Kero, too. Well, I have to go so I can get to class.... MorningStar MorningStar, AKA DawnRain, NightFire, and many others. 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