MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1411 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Van not getting Chosen by "Jeff Aguiar" 2) Question by GodesCarla-+AT+-aol.com 3) Re: Vanyel being Chosen by tigger-+AT+-deskmedia.com 4) Re: Question by "Amy L. E. Jones" 5) Long braid, long fluff by "Tim & Tiffanie Gray" 6) Braid:Crying in inappropriate places!, Owlflight; Aussie by "Ailsa n'ha Winifreyda" 7) Re: Crying by "Rebecca McAllister" 8) Re: Crying by Moon77077 9) Re: Crying by Alexander-Barron Family 10) Mercedes-Lackey vs. Misty? by "Dov Shmuel Freedman" 11) Re: WHAT!!! by "Dov Shmuel Freedman" 12) Braid of names, Choosing,etc....... by "Traci Harriman" 13) Re: Vanyel being Chosen by "Traci Harriman" 14) Vanyel by Riyan699-+AT+-aol.com 15) Re: Atoms/Crying by "Brian Bennett" 16) Re: QO fanfic by bookluvr-+AT+-prairie.lakes.com 17) Re: Question - Music by bookluvr-+AT+-prairie.lakes.com 18) Re: Mercedes-Lackey vs. Misty? by Rick Asbell 19) Companions/Effect of books/4&20BBs by MorningStar ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 15:09:40 EST From: "Jeff Aguiar" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Van not getting Chosen Message-ID: <19971201200941.3451.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> In regards to Van having Foresight, again, I say that it had nothing to do with Foretelling the future. Of all the dreams that were mentioned, only ONE dream had anything to do with the future. One instance does not an eternity make. Van uses his Healing gift repeatedly throughout the trilogy (gleaned from obscure references during concrete moments of usage), but that does not make him a Healer--there upon which, it can be assumed, as was already mentioned, that Vanyel just had a random experience, as I believe, many people do throughout their lifetimes... Vanyel, after skimming through Magic's Pawn once again, did not receive the hunger until after the cold-drake incident. Yfandes's Choosing of Vanyel had to do with his Gifts going bizarre and the fact that it was the right time. 'Lendel was not Chosen until two years after his Gifts manifested because something within the major plans of whatever is holy and in charge of Valdemar's destiny, went wrong ('Lendel's meshing with Staven sending him into shock, and, most likely, forcing channels open). This, I feel, follows along the same line as Vanyel's Choosing. I don't think he was meant to be Chosen, but he was...As for Jisa, we could say that Randale's father, who "slipped" (I believe it was Leareth starting his scheme because if he had waited any longer, the Monarch would have been a Herald-Mage and I think that wasn't exactly what Leareth wanted to deal with), could have survived and would have staved off Randale's inheriting the Throne, and, if and when he died, Treven would have been Chosen, although without his Lifebond (and yes, Treven would still have been a good Monarch without Jisa...look at Savil--i.e. no Lifebond, yet a highly productive member of the society), and inherited in a timely fashion. There is no room for supposition and contemplating what if's. It has happened. Vanyel was Chosen and we can only reason with why, disregarding the if's. Zhai'helleva, Heartspring ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 16:36:23 -0500 (EST) From: GodesCarla-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Question Message-ID: <971201163622_632908920-+AT+-mrin41.mail.aol.com> Heyla, list sibs! Here's a question for everyone. It's kind of nit-picky, but...oh well. "...shredding the Dark Adept's spirit to atoms..." This is from Storm Rising (pg. 139) and is talking about Firesong. Here's the (okay, I admit it, VERY nit-picky) question: has Valdemar (or more correctly, the Tayledras) possibly advanced to the point where they could identify atoms? Then again, some of you may ask how a spirit can be shredded to atoms, but that's not the point. The point is that to have come that far seems very sophisticated. Some of you others may say that Aristotle and Democritus (by the way, I'm a chemistry student and had to learn that) came up with the concept of the atom thousands of years ago, but they could never identify it. Another question: does anybody have any of Misty's albums? Are they good? Would you recommend certain ones? I have to up my Xmas wish list, and I've been intrigued by her songs for a while. You can e-mail me privately if you feel the need. Autumnwing GodesCarla-+AT+-aol.com Visit my web page -+AT+- http://members.aol.com/GodesCarla/home1 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 16:07:40 -0600 From: tigger-+AT+-deskmedia.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Vanyel being Chosen Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971201220740.0069aca4-+AT+-deskmedia.com> At 05:08 AM 12/1/97 GMT, you wrote: >My list sib Heartspring raises an interesting point except I do recall >Yfandes stating when she raced back to be with Vanyel before he calls the >Final Strike - she had fore-knowledge of her own death - she knew that she >was going to die with Vanyel and she was about 8-10 years old when she >chose him. Mind you she did say that she knew "when she chose him" that she >would die in this way. So was she deliberately waiting around for just him >or ....... it is somewhat of a circuitous argument isn't it. Yes, I know >that Companions go searching or in fact the incumbents come to Haven .... >but do some actually have a pre-knowledge of who they will choose? >Wind to thy wings >Hugz > >Regards > >Ailsa I know this may sound weird, but maybe Companions don't exactly know who their going to chose, but that they have a general feeling for the type of person there looking for. In Yfandes case, she 'felt' that the person she would chose would lead to that type of death. And when Tylendel died, she sensed what she wanted in Vanyel--he fit what she 'felt' her chosen should be. Personally, I believe that if Tylendel hadn't been repudiated, and hadn't died, Vanyel still wouldn't have been chosen, because Tylendel would have been able to do the work--becoming the last Herald Mage. And Vanyel would have been the equivalent of Stefen. *********************************** Mary Adams -- tigger-+AT+-deskmedia.com *********************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 16:46:09 -0600 (CST) From: "Amy L. E. Jones" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Question Message-ID: Re: the concept of atoms. As you pointed out, the ancient Greeks had a concept of 'atoms', they considered them the basic building blocks for matter. While it's true they never identified them, they did have the concept. It's also useful to think in terms of 'translation'--the word 'atom' in this context (presumably, if we're going to suspend our disbelieve) would be a translation of a word/term meaning "the smallest things there are." Does that make sense? --Eagle "The Buddha, the Godhead, resides quite as comfortably in the circuits of a digital computer or the gears of a cycle transmission as he does at the top of a mountain or in the petals of a flower. To think otherwise is to demean the Buddha--which is to demean oneself." Robert Pirsig, _Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance_ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 17:45:06 -0000 From: "Tim & Tiffanie Gray" To: "Misty List" Subject: Long braid, long fluff Message-ID: <01bcfe80$dc9d5a20$LocalHost-+AT+-tiffanie> Mystique D opinioned: >I don't know about Tannim becoming a guardian through Dianna,I >thought he was one already. >I mean the power of the guardian is to protect.They are also able to >draw apon power from outside themselves when needed.Both >Dianna and Tannim did this.So this leads me to believe that Tannim >is already a Guardian. IMNSHO the kinds of magic that Tannim and Dianna do is very different. Tannim is a mage in the Dungeons and Dragons vein, very little ritual involved, big flashy results. Di is a witch in the more traditional vein (excuse the pun), rituals, time, big results, but not as flashy, in general. More "real". ****************************** K.S. >what happens after Van dies, what all Stef does etc., That sparked some thoughts that I had running around: Since Stef was the one who spent all that time running around trying to make everyone realize how important that Heralds were and that people could get alone without them, why did he set the magic nullifier spell? If he hadn't, as children began being born with mage-gift again,now that Leareth wasn't killing them all off as children. They most likely would have started showing up in Haven and at least being trained in Mind-gifts like Elspeth was, or as White-winds mages came through, they could have been identified and trained by them. Viola, they would have had Herald-mages again. Also if Van knew what the Vrondi were and could see them, why would they drive other mages crazy? Couldn't they just see them too? The vrondi were just air elementals, any elementalist mage or any mage with mage-sight, should have been able to see them and then would just be able to either banish them or ignore them ************************ Jennie >IMNSHO as Gwena is Grove born I think it is VERY >unlikely that the bond is weak. Gwena was, er, made for Elspeth. I have to disagree and agree with whoever it was that said they disagreed. BECAUSE Gwena is Groveborn I think the bond is weaker. Unlike normal Companions, Groveborn survive the passing of their Chosen, take Rolan for example. That says to me that Groveborn don't bond as deeply. I also think a new Groveborn doesn't understand emotional bondings of that depth because they don't understand human emotion that well. Rolan has been around for a long time and has learned to deal well with humans, but even he takes high-handed approaches on occasion. Carrach's opinion differs from mine and is this: I think all Companions are sent to help Valdemar first and THEN their Chosen Herald. However, I think that normal Companions are sent to be with specific Heralds for a special reason. And the term of their service is therefore only the length of time that the Herald lives. Groveborns are sent to deal with problems that are more pertinent to Valdemar on a larger and longer scale and that is why they need and are able to survive their Chosen's passing. They have a purpose which still is a necessity to keep them on Velgarth and cause them to choose another. I think that Groveborn are larger of spirit because they have to be able to survive the passing of their Chosen and remain to serve Valdemar. Also, they seem able to absolutely love another Chosen and that seems to me to also imply a much larger and more developed spirit. As for Gwena and Elspeth, it seems to me that it takes a much stronger bond to withstand their differences and still remain bonded. There are many, many marriages where people argue all the time, mostlly because they are both strong personalities and they are both arguers. After a while, people like this seem to develop their own protocol to govern their sparring matches, but, they still love each other. As for what I remember of Gwena and Elspeth it goes with the "stronger spirit" analogy pretty well. A young, very strong spirit like Gwena, with semi-omniscient type powers, or at least memory from beyond the veil of death, was going to figure, she knows what's best. I think Gwena helped to finish off that last of "The Brat" so that put her in a mother role. Then when Elspeth went through puberty, the relationship started to change, and Gwena wasn't real thrilled with it because Elspeth went from biddable and listen to her to a very strong willed teenager with goals of her own. Besides, if Talia had always been working with Elspeth, that means that Elspeth and Gwena hadn't had to work it out between them like most of the other Companions and Chosen who "Grow up" together. Also, I think, just in general, that the idea of an instant, super -bond only goes so far, I think the real depth of the bond in the end, will depend upon both how advanced the spirit's of the Herald and the Companion are, as well as, how hard they work on their relationship and on loving each other during the time they had together. **************************** Dreamdancer >"Savil had prepared for this; she could replenish herself within a day when >the spell was completed and the Gate dismissed. But for that critical >period of twenty-four candlemarks she would be exhausted - physically, >mentally, and magically." Kudos to Dreamdancer for finally finding textevd for this oft asked question. Misty had given the answer at the Con, but its good to see it proved out in print. Many colored rainbow unicorns for your efforts!!!!! ************************ Fred >Now since the throne was constructed from the weapons on conquered >Kings/rulers there could have been a lot of emperors before the Iron Throne >was constructed. Any ideas on this? I suppose it would depend on wether it was made from the weapons of the Rulers only or if it included the weapons of their armies and/or loyal retainers as well, if the latter, then it would only take a few conquerors. If the former, then it would have taken a lot of emperors before the throne was constructed. Two things from Carrach: One, how many weapons does one king carry, and two, how big was the throne? And how big were the weapons? Also, how many kings/rulers per year were conquered and did they only take the king's personal weapons that they had on them in battle and second what was the turn-over rate for upstart kingdoms arising, naming a king, giving him a sword, the king getting killed and Viola, new sword for the Iron Throne. A really canny and bored emperor could easily allow for lots of these insurrections or even secretly foment them and then garner the leaders great new sword for a nice chair rib! ***************************** > Robert > > This is a silly question, but did Jisa ever become Queen? I mean she was > > lifebonded to Trev and married to him to boot. he became king did she > > become queen? Wasn't Jisa the heir? I'm fuzzy on this. They could have been co-consorts or she could have become Monarch's own, like her own parents if she wasn't. That would have carried on the blood with out her becoming Queen. But, I could swear that she was the Heir. Textevd anyone? ********************************************* The wildest thing happened when I was doing my spellchecker: The suggestion for Leareth was Death......Cosmic, huh?! ********************************************* The following is an answer to the waiting Raven Darkblade, you may of course skip if desired, nothing else Misty related follows: "High Priestess?" queried the Goddess as she shifted from her regal court appearance to one reminiscent of a feline as her posture changed to a decadent lounge. Yet the belling tones of the Goddess belied the invitation to relax which the posture seemed to invite.... whispering danger and a scent of elven woods and summer days wafted as lightly as a premonition across the kneeling mortal. No warning of Lucian or even cultured Tristan could ever prepare a mortal soul to encounter elveness.... Incarnate. Regality and elf steel ran like water beneath the sheath of velvet and silk that was the Goddesses outer demeanor. Raven felt her gaze, her waiting presence, her immense presence as though all of the elflands in all of the worlds in all of their glory sat watching Raven from within those bluest blue eyes. "A raven is a bird of War, is it not?" The languorous syllables ran forth as a stream of clear water murmurs its song, deceptively quiet and belying the true depth of the words. The Goddess did not wait for an answer, the petition was clear enough and fairly stated...a tribute to the elves who saw to Raven's training. "Of what use is a mortal as a High Priestess to the Goddess of the Elves?" The words seemed suddenly cold, hard and smooth as elfsteel or her own dark blade bringing her fears; and her darkest doubts to sudden frenzied fury in her heart. They raged a moment as the Goddess paused, raged and fought to pierce deep into Raven's soul and sing a song of slowly dying self worth and apathetic resignation. "What plays so darkly there in your soul Raven Darkblade?" the Goddess mused, though the musing contained every hint that the Goddess knew exactly what raged to bring Raven low, "A mortal bird of war, with a few rebellious elven friends, and a friendship with a flying horse?" "Of what significance is such a one? Where in my Court do you see any Elven Lord or Lady who might find your Petition of any Merit whatsoever?" Bright and terrible in Her infinite softness, her Majesty radiant not like the sun, but like the fullmoon seen at twilight from a bower of freshest green, drowsy scent of honeysuckle drifting and the drone of contented crickets a song of lethargy inviting in the background. "You say you seek to become a Peacemaker between my errant children above and my gleaming glamorous Court." " For this, seek you my Mate, in His demesne lies the powers you seek for a warrior to mediate the cause of peace. He stays high up and in the hardness of the mountains bones, that his thought might be clear and his sight true....except when he needs the comfort of My bower green.... or the sounds of childrens laughter. Seek Carrach, the God of Mediation, And Judgement in Arbitration to assist in your desires to make peace between Elf and mortal. I am the Goddess of the Elves, and they claim My heart. Still, your desire to seek their safety in that world of mortal men comes pleasing to the ears. Seek my Mates counsel in this thing. His knowledge of....liaisons .....of many types is quite..... large." A dryad to the left tittered quietly and a ribald wee faery maid guffawed out loud. Tension in the Court and in Raven's soul seemed to melt away as if it had never been. "As for my estranged children in Karilanth, Raven Darkblade, do they desire to no longer be estranged? Why do they send a mortal to speak for them. Are they so far lost from what it means to be elven that they can no longer manage the language of My Court? I think not, Raven Darkblade. Therefore they must find Merit in thy Petition..... now shall I?" The Goddess smiled a playful smile, still decidedly all too reminiscent of a cat pretending to be a mouse. Then, the Goddess reached down and picked up the Darkblade by the ebony blade itself. The feather wafted itself up and into Her hand as though by a chance breeze.....though far too heavy with its artful decoration for any simple breeze to move so. The still Court stilled yet more. Silence reigned absolute.....only the Goddess more sure in Her dominance and power than this absence of sound. All eyes and ears, pointy or no, locked securely upon Her about Whom the Court now arrayed like an inanimate jewel set in time. The Goddess turned the Darkblade over to its hilt in her hand. Then over yet again until She again grasped the blade. "A High Priestess Raven Darkblade for a mortal bird of War? I think ....not. "Rather." the Goddess continued with no more pause than the kiss of a moment, 'I think you shall be my Holy Hand, ....My Hand within the mortals world and kingdoms. If religion is what you seek...then you can find it elsewhere. If work is what you desire, as your petition implies.... that I will grant and more so. A Hand may wield a sword. A Hand can reach out and comfort. And a Hand may reach out and guide one who is as blind or lost back to the sunlight vales or moonlit halls of Home. If aid you need from me...then remember that you will be as Mine own Hand. It serves Me not to reject the petition of Mine own Hand.....unless blackest evil have taken it. If your wish is truly to take to the Groves, and sing songs of joy and gladness in their turn as a priestess of Mine....then so be it. But if thy wish is to wield my power in the cause of My Children....then a Hand Ye shall Be!" The collected breath of the Court seemed drawn from a thousand throats, awe and dismay from most mingled with the knowing smiles of a few.... a few to be remembered undoubtedly. The Goddess smiled a fond friendly smile. "Take Ye this Darkblade from whence Ye gain thy Name Raven Darkblade and bear it as My Staff of Office. It is Beautiful and Terrible.....as am I....as are you. A weapon must always save more than it destroys by any action which it takes.....wield My Power well." Raven could see then a touch of reddest blood on the blade, the Goddess's own blood, as the hilt was laid in Raven's hand. "As you carry it, so shall you see the true face of all of My Children, whether glamourie disguises, and for good or ill. As you wield it well, in combat or no..... My power will be evident...as needed." "To symbolize your place as My Hand, I gift thee with this gauntlet fair of purest elfsteel, beloved of my Children and symbolic of Me." A gauntlet soft as finest silk but made of bright hardest pure elfsteel scales finely worked appeared on Raven's hand. It seemed to caress her skin and bring to her heart a joy that drove all the doubts fleeing and banished any final reservations of the Goddesses good will...and belief in her worthiness. "If ever you raise it in the midst of strife, all who see it shall feel fear, or awe or shame or joy....as their true hearts deserve. Those who rally to you then, in joy, are and will be Blessed. If you but wear this, My gauntlet, in the presence of any of my Children.....estranged or no..... they will know beyond any doubt Whom you represent, and Who's power you wield." The Goddess paused a moment and then continued "have care in this Raven. Some of my Children are more than merely estranged. Some are creatures of the blackest hate. They to will know the meaning of that gauntlet...and the despair it gives them will drive their hate....against you." The Goddess placed the feather from Stormchaser in her hair, and suddenly as a clearing of storm clouds on a bright summers day Her demeanor seemed a child's and her face little older. "A feast!" She cried. "A feast for poor Karilanth and My poor Children there who feel they are estranged, or not pure enough, or some such..... Oh bother......I'm tired of being regal. Lets move the Court to Karilanth for the evening and see how they receive us!" The Goddess laughed and swept Raven into a hug, fierce and strong. "Will seeing My Court perhaps let you see the heart of your former Captain now My dour little Raven?" the Goddess teased. "Take off the long face and come help me inform those silly children that blood is not everything....no, not everything by any means! And next time that Tristan speaks you riddles in any but the most humor filled of circumstances...why, tweak his chin and tell him what an amusing little dwarf he is! I dare say your level of frustration will evaporate entirely after that and his will have just begun!" The Goddess smiled wickedly at what was so delightful a picture, showing Herself to be, like all of her Children, more noble than noble, but more fey than the very weather. Raven in tow, the Goddess charged off down the hall way, and out the tunnel mouth, through the Arch....and directly into the high Court in Karilanth. "Kyrie, My Children! Do not look so droll. Estranged you are no more. Meet My Holy Hand, this little war bird, Raven Darkblade, who you so trepidaciously sent Me. How sweet of you! Accept her...and you accept Me this day!." The Goddess suddenly held Ravens hand aloft, and the elfsteel on her hand shone in a corona of glory. And there was Joy in the halls. ********************************** Wind to thy wings, Dax the Eternal, Goddess of Elves and Unicorns Evangelist of Low Humor and Carrach, God of Arbitration "Never underestimate the power of a Dax for doing good or for getting into trouble." - Rules of Dax Ownership #2 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 10:24:14 From: "Ailsa n'ha Winifreyda" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Braid:Crying in inappropriate places!, Owlflight; Aussie Message-ID: <3.0.2.16.19971202102414.3947b256-+AT+-bilbo.cc.flinders.edu.au> Listsib Sorchafyr has raised an interesting point about being affected by a book at an inappropriate time/place. Yes it has happened to me - with McCaffrey books - when Prideth & Wirenth fight over the bronzes when they both rise to mate & they both die and when Canth and F'nor fall from trying to reach the Red Star and all the dragons & fire-lizrds combine to make a phalanx to catch them as they fall bloodied and uncounscious. There I was in a cafe by sea - weeping into my cappacino (sp) - people kept on asking me if I was OK and I kept on saying it was the book! I couldn't put it down, I had to see what happened. Since then I have been very careful and never read Misty in public. I have also been known to get angry and yell and even throw books down I have been so affected by them. ObMisty: Owlflight, IMHO, was written more for the 10-16 age group. I am not being agist here - it is to do with the style of writing and the layers of the plot. If it is the prequel of another trilogy - it will have to be about new threats to Valdermar and her Allies. Aussie comment: May I ask my listsibs a favour - please reply privately if you wish - there are 2 Aussie authors whom I am passionate about - One is Sara Douglass (who I think I taught as a nurse) and the other is Isobel Carmody. I think both of them write superbly using the genre to discuss a myriad of issues. Are they available in your country, have you read either of both of them, and what did you think. OK I have procrastinated enough, back to the marking!!!! Winds to thy wings, list sibs, Hugz Regards Ailsa Ailsa n'ha Winifreyda School of Nursing, Flinders University of South Australia Email:Ailsa.nhaWinifreyda-+AT+-flinders.edu.au Practise random acts of kindness and senseless beauty! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 16:12:30 PST From: "Rebecca McAllister" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Crying Message-ID: <19971202001231.11904.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> > >This did get me to wondering if any of you have been affected by a book at an >inappropriate time/place. Personally, I don't read much unless I have an >undisturbed amount of time in which to get lost in what I am reading, which >means this has never happened to me. I never read anything but "light" >things when I know I will be picking it up for only bits at a time. You can >usually tell in the first couple of chapters if a book will affect you. > Anyone have any stories, crying, getting excited and yelling (which I have >also done in private), or anything else related? Heyla, The first time I read Arrows of the Fall and Talia and Dirk realize that they are lifebonded(after Talia is fetched from Hardorn) I started giving happy sobs, because that scene is just so happy. I was in the middle of my Spanish class (I often read during my classes,it's a bad habit) and evryone started looking at me like I was crazy. Rebecca Bondmate of Xeben the Barnowl ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 19:14:32 EST From: Moon77077 To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Crying Message-ID: In a message dated 97-12-01 05:24:57 EST, you write: << This did get me to wondering if any of you have been affected by a book at an inappropriate time/place. Personally, I don't read much unless I have an undisturbed amount of time in which to get lost in what I am reading, which means this has never happened to me. I never read anything but "light" things when I know I will be picking it up for only bits at a time. You can usually tell in the first couple of chapters if a book will affect you. Anyone have any stories, crying, getting excited and yelling (which I have also done in private), or anything else related? >> I was reading Magics Price at at school and was just about to the ending, but for some reason I stopped before I got to the sad part. When I went home to finish the book I started crying about five minutes into it. Needless to say I was glad I had not read the end in the middle of class! Lys ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 16:33:14 -0800 From: Alexander-Barron Family To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Crying Message-ID: <3.0.32.19971201163304.00796140-+AT+-pop.sonic.net> >This did get me to wondering if any of you have been affected by a book at an >inappropriate time/place. > Anyone have any stories, crying, getting excited and yelling (which I have >also done in private), or anything else related? > >Shade and Sweet Water, >Sorchafyr >Knight of Fluff by decree of Lady of the Summer Sunshine Yes but not very bad. Sometimes I will be at school, and in the middle of class (when my spanish teacher is up in front lecturing about some new tense or something) and I will read some funny, perfectly worded little line, and will have to try really hard not to giggle. I have not gotten in trouble yet, but my luck will run out someday. Vanessa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 17:19:29 +0200 From: "Dov Shmuel Freedman" To: Subject: Mercedes-Lackey vs. Misty? Message-ID: <199712020219.EAA30491-+AT+-alpha.netvision.net.il> Can anyone please tell me how the Author(ess) came to be called Misty, or even Mercedes-Lackey (as opposed to RR-Henchman)??? Be Well, G-d Bless!!! Dov Shmuel Freedman dov.s.freedman-+AT+-usa.net ICQ UIN:1214019 http://members.tripod.com/~Thomlinson ---------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 17:22:11 +0200 From: "Dov Shmuel Freedman" To: Subject: Re: WHAT!!! Message-ID: <199712020220.EAA26665-+AT+-alpha.netvision.net.il> I !!!STILL!!! have no idea why who took offense? Then again, I don't think an honest mistake made in (possibly) ignorance, is cause for offense. Be Well, G-d Bless!!! Dov Shmuel Freedman dov.s.freedman-+AT+-usa.net ICQ UIN:1214019 http://members.tripod.com/~Thomlinson ---------- > From: *SisterBlueRose > To: freedman-+AT+-netmedia.net.il > Subject: WHAT!!! > Date: 20 November 1997 00:49 > > WHAT KIND OF SCURRIOUS INEUNDO ARE YOU MAKING ABOUT CRAFT?! > Maybe I'm oversensitive, but is he making a nasty crack about MY > religion? > Lucinda > James B Collar wrote: > > > > On Wed, 19 Nov 1997 03:16:37 GMT bookluvr-+AT+-prairie.lakes.com writes: > > >On the Firebird website the book Sacred Ground is listed with the > > >Diana Triegard books. > > > > > >Does anyone else think that it might be in the same > > >universe? > > > > > >Sheri > > > > > > > > What? That is a mistake in my opinion... Sacred Ground is nothing like > > DT. We're talking WITCHCRAFT vs. Native American shamanism...some > > things may be the same, but they are very different! > > > > "You want to know if I am an ace or a joker? > > The answer is yes." -- The Great and Powerful Turtle > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Prince Ravnos > > http://www.geocites.com/Area51/Vault/3748 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 18:18:38 PST From: "Traci Harriman" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Braid of names, Choosing,etc....... Message-ID: <19971202021838.27781.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Heyla all! I think that Yfandes is pronounced the way it looks.... YAfandes. No one can ever pronounce my middle name correctly. It is spelled Enesta(has any1 read Lord Foul's Bane, or something like that? Enesta was someone's mother.)I'm lucky. I have a SF/F name!!!!!!Horray for me! About Van and being Choosen, i think it was because he needed a wakeup call and 'Lendel's death did it. I felt /so/ sorry for Van,Savil,Jays,Andrel,etc...... Well ta ta for now Wind to thy Wings __________*___________ (waiting for new use name from the Namer) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 18:31:09 PST From: "Traci Harriman" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Vanyel being Chosen Message-ID: <19971202023110.10409.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Well if that is a Gift, then I must have foresight!!!!!! I See things in my dreams and then they happen. Ignore me if i suddenly go formal. I switch into a horrible accent on the phone. Does NE1 live in Ok becides me? if so please email me privatly. Ye gods! i simply cannot spell tonight! Dreams might have 2 do w/ my religion! __________*_____________(waiting on use name from Namer) ***************************************** Dreams are the gate into the unknown and should not be taken lightly. >Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 04:11:21 GMT >Reply-To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk >From: "Jeff Aguiar" >To: tracienesta-+AT+-hotmail.com >Subject: Re: Vanyel being Chosen > > > > to have dreams like Vanyel did---I think >they were more subconscious insight than Foresight. You'll notice that >the dreams weren't about actual events like most examples of Foresight >are, they focused more around the realization of Van's love for 'Lendel >and the consequences of not accepting the fact. Not once was Vanyel >actually stuck on one side of a chasm with 'Lendel on the other side. >The second segment of the dream sequence, after denying his feelings for >'Lendel, plummets Van in the midst of the Ice Valley again...These are >not dreams of Foresight...These are merely dreams of realization and >coping with changes in life > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 21:48:53 -0500 (EST) From: Riyan699-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Vanyel Message-ID: <971201214852_585277836-+AT+-mrin54.mail.aol.com> if you had to pick an actor to portray Van, who would it be? How bout the other characters? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 22:07:37 -0500 From: "Brian Bennett" To: Subject: Re: Atoms/Crying Message-ID: <19971202031002.AAA8333-+AT+-BrianBennett> > Autumnwing asks: > Here's a question for everyone. It's kind of nit-picky, but...oh well. > "...shredding the Dark Adept's spirit to atoms..." > This is from Storm Rising (pg. 139) and is talking about Firesong. Here's the > (okay, I admit it, VERY nit-picky) question: has Valdemar (or more correctly, > the Tayledras) possibly advanced to the point where they could identify atoms? I think they may have gotten the concept from Urtho before the cataclysm. Urtho would probably have knowledge of chemistry since he was a great mage. Then the idea of atoms got passed down through the generations after he died. Another idea is perhaps the Tayledras can perceive atoms "magically" but not fully comprehend their nature. I don't recall who asked this question but I'd like to reply. >This did get me to wondering if any of you have been affected by a book >at an inappropriate time/place. I usually get my books from the library. They didn't have Magic's Price on hand so they ordered it for me on inter-library loan. When it came in I couldn't wait to see what happened next. Then I got to the really sad part, started crying and my nose started to run. I didn't want to quit reading to go get a tissue so I just sniffed and sniffed and wiped my eyes. Then I noticed people at the other tables looking at me like I was really strange to cry from reading something. Needless to say, I don't read something in the library anymore if I think it's going to make me cry, or laugh for that matter. ShadowWolf, God of Stupid Chess Moves "My mind is going...I can feel it."--HAL-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 21:40:52 +0000 From: bookluvr-+AT+-prairie.lakes.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: QO fanfic Message-ID: <199712020342.VAA03926-+AT+-Prairie.Lakes.com> > Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 22:57:40 GMT > Reply-to: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk > From: Riyan699-+AT+-aol.com > To: bookluvr-+AT+-prairie.lakes.com > Subject: Re: QO fanfic > Just another take on the Yfandes debate: My friend says Ihfahndess. (Got > that?) I thought that was rather pretty and decided to share it with you > all. Oh and another thing- do you say Vanyel as in can, or Vahnyel? On the song tapes from Firebird Music (Misty is on the board of directors) Vanyel is pronounced Vahn-yel with the emphasis on the first sylable. :) Cheers! Sheri Sheri Graber Rector roseleaf-+AT+-prairie.lakes.com, bookluvr-+AT+-prairie.lakes.com http://prairie.lakes.com/~roseleaf/fibro/index.html Fibromyalgia and Chronic Fatigue Resources Site ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 21:40:57 +0000 From: bookluvr-+AT+-prairie.lakes.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Question - Music Message-ID: <199712020342.VAA03946-+AT+-Prairie.Lakes.com> > Heyla, list sibs! > > Another question: does anybody have any of Misty's albums? Are they good? > Would you recommend certain ones? I have to up my Xmas wish list, and I've > been intrigued by her songs for a while. You can e-mail me privately if you > feel the need. > Autumnwing > GodesCarla-+AT+-aol.com I personally think that the best is the Shadowstalker album. Songs on it: Windrider Unchained (about Sunsinger & Shadowdancer and an heir to the throne of Valdemar) Demonsbane (about defeating a karsite mage at Stony Tor) My Lady's Eyes (drivel! Just like Van says...) Web of Light (building the web - Magic's Price) The Colddrake (the story of how Van killed the colddrake) The Shadow-Lover (the song Van was playing when Medren walked in -- Magic's Promise) Vrondi's Eyes (gives some examples of 'bad' characters and what happens to them :) Shadow Stalker (about defeating another karsite mage) Earth Spirit (Hawkbrother/Shin'a'in style) Nightblades (allies are dying, Van gets called to take care of it) Hawk Brother (Moonsong's Story) Magic's Price (Van's last battle) The Herald's Creed (an upbeat song about becoming a herald) Firebird Music PO Box 14785 Portland, OR 97214 800 752-0494 If you ask them, they will send you a free catalog of the music and other 'stuff' they offer. :) Well Worth It! Sheri Sheri Graber Rector roseleaf-+AT+-prairie.lakes.com, bookluvr-+AT+-prairie.lakes.com http://prairie.lakes.com/~roseleaf/fibro/index.html Fibromyalgia and Chronic Fatigue Resources Site ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 01:01:34 -0500 From: Rick Asbell To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Mercedes-Lackey vs. Misty? Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19971202010134.007c0250-+AT+-mail.atlantic.net> At 02:46 AM 12/2/97 GMT, you wrote: > >Can anyone please tell me how the Author(ess) came to be called Misty, or >even Mercedes-Lackey (as opposed to RR-Henchman)??? Well, part of this I be able to answer (from the QO introductory letter) "How did Mercedes Lackey come to be called 'Misty'? Her original nickname was 'Dee' but when spending a summer working with youngsters who were supposed to call their counselors Miss, Mrs. or Mr., her 'Miss Dee' was slurred into 'Misty.'" ------------------------------------------------ As for the question of Vanyel being Chosen, I think that he HAD to be Chosen and become a Herald-Mage if Valdemar was to be saved. If 'Lendel hadn't died, if the Gate experience had not happened, some emergency at some point would have caused 'Lendel to draw on Van's potential and blast him open. No one else would have had the power to stop Leareth. Nobody else could even come close to the amount of power available to Van, and he DIED defeating Leareth. Just my own opinion... Bright Day and Blessings, Zhai'helleva, Dreamdancer __________ visit me on the web - http://www.atlantic.net/~ricka __________ All things are connected like the blood that unites us. We did not weave the web of life, we are merely a strand in it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. -Chief Seattle __________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 23:24:43 -0700 From: MorningStar To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Companions/Effect of books/4&20BBs Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19971201232443.006b2da8-+AT+-mail.geocities.com> Dax said:(at least, I think it was Dax...) >I have to disagree and agree with whoever it was that said they disagreed. >BECAUSE Gwena is Groveborn I think the bond is weaker. Unlike >normal Companions, Groveborn survive the passing of their Chosen, >take Rolan for example. That says to me that Groveborn don't bond >as deeply. I also think a new Groveborn doesn't understand emotional >bondings of that depth because they don't understand human emotion >that well. Rolan has been around for a long time and has learned >to deal well with humans, but even he takes high-handed approaches >on occasion. I beg to differ--as you say, Rolan is Groveborn. However, his bond with Talia is one of the strongest I've ever read of despite Talia's lack of MindSpeech. After all, she couldn't block Rolan out, while all the other Heralds, even with a strong bond didn't have a problem sheilding their Companion's intimacies out of their minds. I think that Gwena and Elspeth have a very close bond, but more misunderstandings that are not resolved so quickly because they are both so stubborn and think they're right all the time. Mainly, though, I simply wish to point out that just because a Companion is Groveborn does not make them incapable of forming a strong bond. Also, I think it's only the Monarch's Own's Companion who survives his Herald, isn't it? ___________________________________________ Re: being affected by a book in an inappropriate place Well, I'm the sort that generally overcontrols her emotions to a hideous extreme, so I really don't often show what affects me. However, Knight of Ghosts and Shadows pushes me to the edge of tears if I'm in public and over it in private sometimes, especially if I'm lonely or anything, just by the descriptions of Eric's feelings about Kory and Beth because there's just so much emotion that I can feel. ________________________________ ________________________________ Spoiler space S P O I L E R S P A C E ______________________ ______________________ Ok, more about Four-and-Twenty Blackbirds... Someone (I don't remember who) mentioned Tal's superior officer covering up the crimes. Yes, it was the case... although I must admit, I never figured out why he was doing so completely. I suppose it must have been because of the weapon, since it's not as if the captain could have known that it was Revaner... Anys, that's it for me Star Known to one and all as MorningStar, alternate names accepted at times Mindmate to the tawny eagle Ryia! morningstar-+AT+-poetic.com dawnrain00-+AT+-aol.com I can attempt to help those of you on AOL or anyone who uses Eudora Lite, IE Mail, or Netscape mail. ICQ UIN: 1425359 ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1411 **********************************