MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1457 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) tape trade by Francesco Loriggio 2) Why do I read and Tallia's Gift to Dirk by "Robbie Betts" 3) Re: Longish braid, various topics by "John E Morris" 4) Re: question and books by Adrienne Metz 5) RE: My Lady & Misty non Valdemar reads by "Brighthawk K'Treva" 6) Re: Tape Trading by RPierce137 7) Other Misty books by GrobuHit-+AT+-t-online.de (M. Grob u. S. Hitzler) 8) Re: question and books by Flaime13 9) Braid by dprono-+AT+-planet.eon.net 10) speaking tubes by "marty l. adkins" 11) Re: Longish braid, various topics by B1GBUDA 12) "If I Pay Thee Not in Gold" and Why I read by Karen Chan ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:09:41 -0800 From: Francesco Loriggio To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: tape trade Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980113160941.007fa9a0-+AT+-alfred.carleton.ca> Hello. I'm warning you now, this is entirely a self-serving post. :) I was just wondering if anyone would be willing to trade a copy of either The Last Herald-Mage or the Oathbound/breakers audio tape -- in exchange, I send a copy of the Heralds, Harpers and Havoc. If anyone's interested, please mail me offlist. Selenay ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 07:23:39 PST From: "Robbie Betts" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Why do I read and Tallia's Gift to Dirk Message-ID: <19980114152340.8250.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Would you believe I'm addicted to reading. (Once in younger days, got eye strain and was not allowed my glasses for reading, watching tv or anything, I almost went nuts!). Talia said to Dirk somthing along lines of No it's no My Lady look over there (in corner was My Lady) and Don't ask what I went through to find it... Robbie Hope this helps (books-+AT+-home, me-+AT+-work)... So can't find exact quotation from book. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:39:57 -0500 From: "John E Morris" To: Subject: Re: Longish braid, various topics Message-ID: <01bd2102$aae30da0$c16e2581-+AT+-default> -----Original Message----- From: B1GBUDA To: jeatonm-+AT+-prodigy.net Date: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 4:42 PM Subject: Re: Longish braid, various topics >the second harp was given to her as a gift, made from the same wood and the >same maker as the first. I dont remember who gave it to her. Sorry to disagree, but you're wrong - the second harp is sitting in the bedroom when Talia and Dirk go off for their wedding night. Dirk mistakes it for My Lady until he sees "her" next to the first harp. Talia tells him that it's her harps twin and not to ask where she got it - that's her secret. Surecrow ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:29:16 -0700 From: Adrienne Metz To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: question and books Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980114112916.006e0094-+AT+-pop.u.arizona.edu> At 10:38 AM 1/13/98 GMT, KS wrote: > My >question is this: can any of you recommed an author who is good but who >also is little known so I have a chance of finding their books on the >shelf?? > Another author, besides those mentioned, is Mickey Zucher Reichert. Start with _The Last of the Renshai_ trilogy. Right there you'll have about 5 books to read and they are longer books than what is standard. There are similarities between some of Misty's books and Mickey's books. ONe thing I thought was really funny is a bard (i don't recall which one in which book) of Mickey's also has a harp named My Lady. Hi, I am a newcomer to this list. I am on another list for Orson Scott Card and some of the discussions about authors losing quality so they can produce books for the publishers, to the dismay of the loyal fans, has been going on the same for both lists. I thought that was really interesting. On the other list we don't have to stay on topic to OSC, so I hope I had enough about Misty to make this post worthwhile. Adrienne ametz-+AT+-u.arizona.edu ********************* "Heaven and earth are threads from one loom" - Shaker Saying ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:04:44 PST From: "Brighthawk K'Treva" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: RE: My Lady & Misty non Valdemar reads Message-ID: <19980114190445.6387.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Susan wrote: >I need some advice. Outside of the Valdemar books i have read none >of Misty's books, could someone please suggest a book that would be a >good start. I would start with _The Lark and the Wren_, first book in the Bardic Voices series. Bardic Voices has four books out now, with no end in sight, hopefully. They are delightful stories, reminiscent of Misty's Valdemar writing style. Another good series is the Elven series she wrote with Andre Norton, Elvenbane and Elvenblood, with a third on the way, I believe... Really, any of Misty's other series are great, but one note of caution; if you are not interested in the occult, I would stay away from the Di Tregarde series. I like it, but many others don't. Sir Quickstar wrote: >>the second harp was given to her as a gift, made from the same wood >>and the same maker as the first. I dont remember who gave it to >>her. > >That's odd I always thought that she had it made because she gave it >as a gift to Dirk so she had it made for that purpose. Don't know >where I got that it just seemed correct. Once again, someone has given the correct quote on this, but Talia somehow found this harp, made by the same hand, of the same wood, at the same time as My Lady. It evidently was a great deal of trouble to come by, because Talia wouldn't tell Dirk how she'd found it. It was the exact twin of My Lady, only Talia could tell them apart. It's all there in the last few pages of Arrow's Fall. -Brighthawk ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 15:55:08 EST From: RPierce137 To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tape Trading Message-ID: <2913a435.34bd262e-+AT+-aol.com> Recently, there was a post about trading copies of professionally produced Filk tapes. If you are considering this, PLEASE DON'T DO IT! Sorry for shouting, but think about it this way: If you tape copies of an artist's work, not only is it illegal, but it prevents a sale. Now, in the world of big scale music, this might not make much of a difference, but to Filk, and other small press publishers, it is vital. If a small publisher is making less money off of their tapes, then they will make less tapes. That hurts Everyone. The case is somewhat different for Out of Print tapes. You obviously won't hurt a current sale there. But remember that these tapes may be produced again. If this happens, please buy one of the tapes which you have copied. This will help continue the creation of the music that we love. It's what a Herald would do. Thank You For Your Time, Robert Pierce Remember: Home taping is killing small press music. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 22:10:21 +0100 From: GrobuHit-+AT+-t-online.de (M. Grob u. S. Hitzler) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Other Misty books Message-ID: Heyla listsibs, >I need some advice. Outside of the Valdemar books i have read none of Misty's >books, could someone please suggest a book that would be a good start. Here it comes! Try the Di Tregarde books (Children of the Night, Burning Water, Jinx High) Read them in this order, not in the order of publication. They are urban fantasy staring a romance writer / witch / guardian and her vampire friend / lover. They are excellently written and fun to read although they deal with grim topics. The vampire is one of the sexiest men alive (or rather undead)! Characters are well developed, showing lots of real emotion and concern. Well, what else can I say? Buy them, read them, love them! Chocolate rain to all of you!! (Don't forget to put out bath tubs and barrels!) Shantaya Autumnleaf Keeper of Cats ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 16:48:00 EST From: Flaime13 To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: question and books Message-ID: <66318c5b.34bd3293-+AT+-aol.com> In a message dated 98-01-14 14:10:20 EST, you write: << At 10:38 AM 1/13/98 GMT, KS wrote: > My >question is this: can any of you recommed an author who is good but who >also is little known so I have a chance of finding their books on the >shelf?? > Another author, besides those mentioned, is Mickey Zucher Reichert. Start with _The Last of the Renshai_ trilogy. Right there you'll have about 5 books to read and they are longer books than what is standard. There are similarities between some of Misty's books and Mickey's books. ONe thing I thought was really funny is a bard (i don't recall which one in which book) of Mickey's also has a harp named My Lady. >> YES!!! Read Reichert's books! They are absolutely incredible! Especially if you are interested in Nordic/Viking beliefs, because the Renshai are quite based on the Vikings. I fully enjoyed these books as much as those of Misty's. Another author to check out is Jennifer Roberson, especially her Tiger and Del books, my personal favorites of hers. They have a lot of the same witticism and biting sarcasm I love (No? Me?? ;-) ) in Misty's writings. Anyway, those are two more to look for. Brightest of blessings, Flaime ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 20:34:21 -0800 From: dprono-+AT+-planet.eon.net To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Braid Message-ID: <34BD91CD.64FB-+AT+-planet.eon.net> Heyla there! :) So, I've been kinda buisy with exams lately (doncha just hate the darned things!?) so if I repeat anything that has already been said, please forgive me! I have a brain like a seive, and with all the extra stress from exams, it's like a _fried_ seive. ;) Elanne/Nightowl said that she read Piers Anthony's Immortality series, and that she liked it, but she felt that they were all a re-hash of the same story from another character's point of view. I have to agree with her there-I only made it up to... er... well, the one before 'Being A Green Mother' I just got sick of it, although I REALLY liked 'On A Pale Horse', the first one. Another series that does the re-hash thing is *runs to book self* Sharon Green's The Blending series, which is 'Convergence' and 'Competitions' (waiting impatiently for the rest to come out... Sssss!) I highly recommend these-very interesting, although it does take the 'sticking together and growing up' theme a wee bit too far. For MZB, I'm plowing my way (slowly) through 'Mists of Avalon' (dosen't that remind you of Avon? Very strange to be thinking 'Make-up Company' in the middle of an Arthurian book) I'm enjoying it, although I DID notice the male bashing theme. It's funny-I normally zip my way through books, but this one I'm reading a few pages per week sort of thing. Weird. *X-files theme song playes in the background* K.S. asked what a speaking tube was-I thought it was sort of a funnel type thing coming out of the wall with a tube leading down to wherever. Something like a vacume... I was lucky enough to get Fire Rose in hardcover at my local bookstore for only SEVEN DOLLARS! I guess they had too many copies and too many broke Misty fans. Oh well, I lucked out! :) Well, I have to go back to study my French for my French 30 final... J'ai mal a la tete!! (dang, no accents...) >:( So itty bitty orange marmalade sheep to you all! (recomended on toast) Yvonne Shadowshape, Chosen by Korla, bonded to Chiti Goddess of Kelpies, Selkies, and other Water-Borne Knight of Fluff (the origonal) ********** You want to dress in black And loose your heart beyond recall Chase a dream through rain and thunder On your honor For it all -War for the Oaks, Emma Bull ********** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:28:25 -0500 From: "marty l. adkins" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: speaking tubes Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980114232825.00689054-+AT+-pop.mindspring.com> I thought for sure someone would beat me to this, but they haven't yet, so here goes. A speaking tube is the ancestor of the home intercom system. You pick it up, blow into it, speak into it, and someone on the other end answers. In old movies, particularly silent comedies [and Adams Family episodes], the blowing into the tube sends out clouds of smoke/dust. They have been seen on some of the older submarine movies. Most recently, a modern incarnation was seen last season on the _Drew Carey Show_, when Mimi was confined to archives in the basement and communicated/terrified via a mail-tube sort of thing. They are in the novel's historical period, and it is highly characteristic that someone as rich/powerful/justifiably paranoid as Jason would resort to it. I hope this helps. Clear skies!--Jerrie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:37:20 EST From: B1GBUDA To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Longish braid, various topics Message-ID: <7c421644.34bd9282-+AT+-aol.com> Thank you all for straightening out my memory. It seems to have failed me once again. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:39:59 +1100 From: Karen Chan To: Mercedes Lackey list Subject: "If I Pay Thee Not in Gold" and Why I read Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980115101728.00693400-+AT+-pop.progsoc.uts.edu.au> 14th January, 1998. 5:50 p.m. I thought that "If I Pay Thee Not in Gold" was good up until the bit where they set off on that "quest" thing for whatever crystal or diamond it was that they had to find. I mean, up until then it was pretty interesting - a matriarchal society where women had magic and men didn't so women got to rule. And of course there was the adolescent testing bit - you had to fight a man in the arena and kill him or enslave him (yes, sounds like male-bashing again!) But the good part was that Xylina didn't kill the guy she faced and when he was given to her in slavery, they sort of became friends - well, as much as you can be between master and servant. I wished that Misty and Piers had stuck to those bits instead of heading off on that big long quest. And when Xylina got involved with that demon it just got plain weird - I mean, how would you like it if you had sex with a man and woke up with a woman instead??? Even though it was nice that the final relationship that the three of them came to was all about trust. Now... why do I read? To escape, yes. For the ride, yes. Also because I am interested in what authors do with the worlds they create. I mean, Valdemar has a lot of utopian aspects which makes it very nice to escape to. Even if Heralds seem to be romanticised figures, I'd still want to be one. Piers' Xanth can get quite silly at times - at the expense of the plot. But it's funny - he didn't write it for such a young audience to begin with - I mean, "A Spell for Chameleon" featured Bink who was 25 but after that the main characters got younger. And then there is Discworld which is much less silly than Xanth and is basically a stage for satire and parody. One of my favourite Discworld novel has always been "Small Gods". That choice may be considered strange if you know that I am a Christian too but the reason I like it (and Monty Python's "Life of Brian") is because it pokes fun at things of religion which I think are silly too - "He's NOT the Messiah, he's a naughty boy!". (New paragraph, this one is too chunky.) And then there is GGK who seems to thrive on political intrigue and manoeuvring the chess pieces around to see what would happen - e.g. "Tigana" - on a peninsula of nine provinces, what happens if four are owned by one tyrant, for by another and the one left over is up for grabs? Everything happens on such a grand scale that even acts of sexual intimacy have their importance (remember Devin and Caterina [or whatever her name was] in the cupboard?) Melanie Rawn's "Ruins of Ambrai" was also interesting - a matriarchal world where gender roles have been reversed - e.g. men are given in marriage with dowries, they are responsible for contraception or must raise the children and they have to where head-coverings; First Daugher inherits everything and whore houses are filled with good-looking boys. But I think you get the point. The next question is WHY? An exercise in "What if..."? (What if women did rule the world?) Because rewriting over things is real cool and postmodern? (e.g. Asimov's "Foundation" series following the patterns of Plutarch's "Rise and Fall") Or maybe because it is just plain FUN? Maybe. Karen. ================================================================== Karen Chan kkchan-+AT+-ozemail.com.au kkc02-+AT+-wumpus.uow.edu.au "...but at four o'clock in the morning, when the world is full of magic, things may be safely said that may not be uttered at any other time, so long as the person who listens believes in the same kind of magic as the person who speaks." Robin McKinley, "Deerskin", p. 189. ================================================================== ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1457 **********************************