MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1464

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: Herald cover art pet-peeve
	by RPierce137 <RPierce137-+AT+-aol.com>
  2) Re: Hi.
	by "John E Morris" <JEATONM-+AT+-prodigy.net>
  3) Re: Hi.
	by Danielle May Marrone <dmarrone-+AT+-ic.sunysb.edu>
  4) Re: Braid
	by Danielle May Marrone <dmarrone-+AT+-ic.sunysb.edu>
  5) Re: Idea, A Question, and Taglines....
	by Danielle May Marrone <dmarrone-+AT+-ic.sunysb.edu>
  6) Fiddler Fair?
	by Danielle May Marrone <dmarrone-+AT+-ic.sunysb.edu>
  7) Fan Fiction?
	by ruddk-+AT+-t-online.de (krudd)
  8) Re: Fan Fiction?
	by troll-+AT+-netcomuk.co.uk
  9) Re: Bad cover art, Taglines and other nefarious beings. (I cant spell, BTW)
	by dprono-+AT+-planet.eon.net
 10) Re: Idea, A Question, and Taglines....
	by ShaychBoy <ShaychBoy-+AT+-aol.com>
 11) Re: Idea, A Question, and Taglines....
	by Shadowdancer <smartin-+AT+-ultiweb.com>
 12) Re: Idea, A Question, and Taglines....
	by andrea jessup <arjessup-+AT+-students.wisc.edu>
 13) Stuff....
	by "Wind Dancer" <dancer_of_wind-+AT+-hotmail.com>
 14) I need to get the info for subscribing again.
	by "Mark Severson" <markttz-+AT+-eonet.com>
 15) Re: Hi.
	by Beth Cavanaugh <canchaser-+AT+-valint.net>
 16) Fanfic/Valdemar laws
	by Ailsa Reid <areid-+AT+-brookes.ac.uk>
 17) Re: Hi.
	by AERDEN-+AT+-delphi.com

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:40:11 EST
From: RPierce137 <RPierce137-+AT+-aol.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Herald cover art pet-peeve
Message-ID: <3a0a3d0c.34c616dd-+AT+-aol.com>

In a message dated 98-01-21 07:15:43 EST, you write:

<< Mariet--My big pet peeve about the cover art is that it's too busy.  There
 are too many things in the border and too many decorations that seem just
 stuck in there--weaving patterns, etc.
 
 
 
      Chantal
 
  >>

   I love the borders, particularly on the LHM trilogy.  It allows the artist
to show us more than just one scene from the work.  And, for the record, I
like the blue/purple reflections.  They work in those pictures, IMNTBHO.

   Robert Pierce

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:14:35 -0500
From: "John E Morris" <JEATONM-+AT+-prodigy.net>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Hi.
Message-ID: <01bd2687$aa8f4b40$f76e2581-+AT+-default>


,
>. I am a Christian which kinda contradicts my love for
>fantasy.

Why in the world does being Christian contradict your love of Fantasy? My
priest introduced me to Guy Gavriel Kay and gave me a copy of the
leatherbound Lord of the Rings when I graduated from high school.  Enjoyment
of imaginary settings and places shouldn't have any bearing on one's
religious persuasion.  (Heh, tell that to the Sheites<did I spell that
right?> who read Salmon Rushdie's book :)  )  To quote (approximately) the
Talmud.  "God will hold you to account for every permitted pleasure you
failed to enjoy"


Surecrow
"What do you want, you moon-faced assasin of joy?"


Surecrow


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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:48:13 -0500 (EST)
From: Danielle May Marrone <dmarrone-+AT+-ic.sunysb.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Hi.
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980121114439.2431D-100000-+AT+-sparky>

> ,
> >. I am a Christian which kinda contradicts my love for
> >fantasy.
> 
> Why in the world does being Christian contradict your love of Fantasy? My
> priest introduced me to Guy Gavriel Kay and gave me a copy of the
> leatherbound Lord of the Rings when I graduated from high school.  Enjoyment
> of imaginary settings and places shouldn't have any bearing on one's
> religious persuasion.  (Heh, tell that to the Sheites<did I spell that
> right?> who read Salmon Rushdie's book :)  )  To quote (approximately) the
> Talmud.  "God will hold you to account for every permitted pleasure you
> failed to enjoy"
> 
Well, I've been trying (and have tried in the past) to read the Bible on a
regular basis, and my love for fantasy tends to override any time set
aside for doing so.  The Bible also says that one shouldn't get caught up
in fantasy (or something to that effect) and I always do.  It is my escape
for my real life and has been for many years.  I usually prefer to be in
the fantasy world. 


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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:13:24 -0500 (EST)
From: Danielle May Marrone <dmarrone-+AT+-ic.sunysb.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Braid
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980121121108.2883A-100000-+AT+-sparky>


> 
> Aili said
> <big snip>
> >What I would ask all members of this reading list to do (including myself)
> >is ask why they read? 
> 
> The reason I read is for escape from my life.  And what a life I have had
> in my short (almost) 26 years.  The reason I read fantasy/sci-fi is because
> I enjoy it most.

I second this except change 26 with 21.  When I read a good book I get
completely caught up in in and forget everything else for a while.  It is
the only way I can truly relax.


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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:54:09 -0500 (EST)
From: Danielle May Marrone <dmarrone-+AT+-ic.sunysb.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Idea, A Question, and Taglines....
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980121154858.8239I-100000-+AT+-sparky>

<<<SNIP>>> 
> Why is your favorite character your favorite?  Mine happens to be Vanyel 
> (no, I'm not male or Shyach), but I'm not sure why? Anyone know?  


Ummmmmm . . . my favorite character is probably Talia.  She was the very
first Misty character I was introduced to and the one that I found to be
like I felt.  I also like Vanyel, probably because he is so very likeable.  




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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:09:51 -0500 (EST)
From: Danielle May Marrone <dmarrone-+AT+-ic.sunysb.edu>
To: Mercedes Lackey Fan List <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Fiddler Fair?
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980121160829.19513A-100000-+AT+-sparky>

What's this?  I'm at Baen Book's website and I see this book being sold.
I may be behind but when did Misty write this.  What is it about? 


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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:27:49 +0100
From: ruddk-+AT+-t-online.de (krudd)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Fan Fiction?
Message-ID: <34C66855.A074A7B0-+AT+-t-online.de>

Hello Everyone

I was wondering if there was a fan fiction site devoted to Mercedes'
work and characters from those works?  I ran across a few Star Trek
sites that published online short stories, poems, and novellas written
by fans and I enjoyed some of them.  If there are none, what does
everyone think about the idea?  This would be a great way for people to
write about their favorite characters or to create a new character and
place that character into whatever period of Valdemaran history they
want.  Or to explore periods of time or places that haven't been written
about yet.  Think of the great opportunity this would bring budding
authors!

Kris

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:24:23 GMT
From: troll-+AT+-netcomuk.co.uk
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Fan Fiction?
Message-ID: <199812122268441-+AT+-netcomuk.co.uk>

Bright the day, listmembers!
The Troll Herald-Mage has returned at last after nearly a year of
absence(now that I finally have an ISP whose mail quota isn't so
low as to preclude any mailing lists).

As for the question on fan fiction...I'm not up-to-date on the
current situation, but I remember that a year or two ago someone
on the list mentioned something about people needing direct written 
permission from Misty before posting fan fiction on the 'net and that
no-one was permitted to write fan fiction for non-'net publication. Can
some kind soul tell this behind-the-times troll and the original
questioner if this policy still holds true?

Wind to thy wings,
Muranog Shadowbane
Troll Herald-Mage



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Date: 	Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:42:06 -0800
From: dprono-+AT+-planet.eon.net
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Bad cover art, Taglines and other nefarious beings. (I cant spell, BTW)
Message-ID: <34C687CE.30D7-+AT+-planet.eon.net>

>Mariet--My big pet peeve about the cover art is that it's too busy. There
>are too many things in the border and too many decorations that seem
>just stuck in there--weaving patterns, etc.
>       Chantal
>I love the borders, particularly on the LHM trilogy.  It allows the
>artist to show us more than just one scene from the work.  And, for the
>record, I like the blue/purple reflections.  They work in those
>pictures, IMNTBHO.
>    Robert Pierce Heyla!        When i mentioned the 'pet peeve' thingie with the covers, I
didn't reasile how many agreed with me!! Although I have a few
DISAGREMENTS. (did I spell that right??) I am an artist too, annd I have
to say that drawing a white horse is VERY hard. Using colors like... oh,
say BLUE and PURPLE and YELLOW helps define the horse ad keeps your eyes
attached to it. It creates more of a difference and makes the picture
look less flat. But it looks ridiculous without moderation. Very
ridiculous. So while I don't mind the exotic colors, I DO mind it when
the Companion is more blue and purple and yellow than white and grey. I
seem to be having a problem with my 'N' key today, so if there is a few
'N's missing, it's my keyboard's fault. Sorry!! :)
        As for the buisiess, I happe to LIKE the borders, but I agree
that the main cover art is too buisy. It's partially the way that it's
drawen-the lines are very active. (Buisy looking) So while the picture is
good and fine, the lines are saying 'NO way! this is an exciting
picture!!' If you have no idea what I am blabbering on about, go see a
copy of van Gough's 'Starry Night'. THAT is a picture that is very buisy
looking and alive looking, yet it is of a mountain or tree, a night sky
and a village with lights. Ok, I'll stop being the Art Teacher. ;) I
prefer just drawing.
        Blurbs on the back-I went through a bunch on the phone with my
friend Icewind the 'I Have Over 800 Misty List E-Mails To Go Through, So
Stop Telling Me Misty List Things!' and we laughed SO hard!! They all
are totally incorect. So now if I'm looking for a book, I'll read the 
blurb (not seriously) the blurb in the inside cover, and then take a look 
at the cover art. (I can't help it! If there is a half naked chick and 
some sort of muscle bound 'Hero' waving a sword, I usually won't bother 
to read it! *blush*)
        As for all the tag lines: Im really enjoying reading them all! Id
really like it if Skywolf (Is that you? I have a brain like a seive, so
if I got it wrong, feel free to flame me royally.) would give out the web
page that you're collecting them on so that I can spend a while reading
them. I hope that no one minds if I stuck a few of my faves at the
bottom: This IS getting long. And most of it is me griping! Yikes. Well,
have fun, smell the winter killed dead roses, and don't eat your morning
toothpaste. :)

        Yvonne Shadowshape, Chosen by Korla, bonded to Chiti
        Goddess of Kelpies, Selkies, and other Water-Borne
        Knight of Fluff (the origonal) :)
 
Tag lines:

You want to dress in black
And loose your hert beyond recall
Chase a dream through rain and thunder
On your honor
For it all
        -Emma Bull, 'For it all' from War for the Oaks
 
My favorite Tag lines: :)

The problem with the gene pool is that there is no lifeguard.

Don't sweat petty things... or pet sweaty things.

Borrow money from pessimists-they don't expect it back.

Half the people you know are below average.

Boycott shampoo! Demand the REAL poo!

If you choke a smurf, what color does it turn?

Energizer Bunny arrested, charged with battery.

I used to have an open mind but my brains kept falling out.

I couldn't repair your brakes, so I made your horn louder.

OK, so what's the speed of dark?

All those who believe in psychokinesis raise my hand.



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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:05:12 EST
From: ShaychBoy <ShaychBoy-+AT+-aol.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Idea, A Question, and Taglines....
Message-ID: <41a81bd.34c69b51-+AT+-aol.com>

In a message dated 98-01-21 16:20:50 EST, you write:

<< Why is your favorite character your favorite?  Mine happens to be Vanyel 
 > (no, I'm not male or Shyach), but I'm not sure why? Anyone know? >>


My favorite character, well one of them. Is Vanyel, I think because instead of
succuming to the stresses and problems of his life and just giving up, he
always tried harder.  What I'm trying to say is..of all the people who has a
right to, and he does, he didn't have the Poor-Me-Syndrome.

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:13:40 -0500
From: Shadowdancer <smartin-+AT+-ultiweb.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Idea, A Question, and Taglines....
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980121211340.007fcb80-+AT+-internet_link>

ShaychBoy Wrote:
>In a message dated 98-01-21 16:20:50 EST, you write:
>
><< Why is your favorite character your favorite?  Mine happens to be Vanyel 
> > (no, I'm not male or Shyach), but I'm not sure why? Anyone know? >>
>
>
>My favorite character, well one of them. Is Vanyel, I think because
instead of
>succuming to the stresses and problems of his life and just giving up, he
>always tried harder.  What I'm trying to say is..of all the people who has a
>right to, and he does, he didn't have the Poor-Me-Syndrome.
>



Oh yes he did!  He liked to sulk when things wouldn't go his way!!  Thing
is he eventualy (sp?) got tired of it and had to do for himself.


       Wind to thy Wings 
               & 
Never give up on the Dance of Life 

          Shadowdancer

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:16:03 -0600
From: andrea jessup <arjessup-+AT+-students.wisc.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Idea, A Question, and Taglines....
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980121211603.006e2530-+AT+-students.wisc.edu>

At 02:39 AM 1/22/98 GMT, you wrote:
>ShaychBoy Wrote:
>>In a message dated 98-01-21 16:20:50 EST, you write:
>>
>><< Why is your favorite character your favorite?  Mine happens to be Vanyel 
>> > (no, I'm not male or Shyach), but I'm not sure why? Anyone know? >>
>>
>>
>>My favorite character, well one of them. Is Vanyel, I think because
>instead of
>>succuming to the stresses and problems of his life and just giving up, he
>>always tried harder.  What I'm trying to say is..of all the people who has a
>>right to, and he does, he didn't have the Poor-Me-Syndrome.
>>
>
>
>
>Oh yes he did!  He liked to sulk when things wouldn't go his way!!  Thing
>is he eventualy (sp?) got tired of it and had to do for himself.
>
>
>       Wind to thy Wings 
>               & 
>Never give up on the Dance of Life 
>
>          Shadowdancer
	

	Thats what i liked about Vanyel - he sulked, he felt bad for himself,
wallowed in self pity, the whole bit.  Which seems totally natural to me.
I think I would have done the same in his place.  But then he got over it.
He isn't perfect - he did sulk, but what made him so great was he finally
got over it and did what had to be done.

		Dre

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:59:32 PST
From: "Wind Dancer" <dancer_of_wind-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Stuff....
Message-ID: <19980122035932.21538.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com>

Heyla everybody!
  Ummm...  Just to add my 1.5cents to this cover art thing, I ask 
another question.  Why doesnt Van have silver hair in magic's price? He 
had been working with node magic for years by then (or so my halting 
memory recalls)and his hair should have been streaked with white.  Maybe 
I'm just being picky, so anyone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Hey Skywolf (if that's not your name feel free to yell at me), could you 
let me know where the collection of taglines is?  I have been making my 
own collection with tags taken from everywhere (my list is pretty big 
now) and I really like the tags people have been putting on their posts!  
Pretty neat!

Anyway, I have a million papers to write for school, so I just though 
i'd take a break and do something interesting!  Have fun filled days and 
chocolate filled nights....
  Andi
 PS, how does one become a herald? (not in the book sense, but in the 
Signature sense)?  Is there a process, or does it just happen? Is there 
and official way? If you know you could e-mail me privately that would 
be excellent!!

Tags for everybody...

4Warned = 4Armed; 4Armed = 1/2 an Octopus!

Famous Last Words #03: Watch me moon that werewolf!

Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies.

Never accept a drink from an urologist!

Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie!'... till you can find a 
rock.

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:39:25 -0600
From: "Mark Severson" <markttz-+AT+-eonet.com>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: I need to get the info for subscribing again.
Message-ID: <000c01bd26df$00c1b820$1c5181ce-+AT+-markttz.eonet.com>

Tax zombie here,


   As of February 1 my provider is going to drop Brigadoon and change
to a different company to provide its web service.  
  This has been a long overdue change as Brigadoon has provided
less then stellar service.   
   Could you please post the info for subscribing so that when my 
email address changes I may reconnect?  Thanks.


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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 05:11:58 GMT
From: Beth Cavanaugh <canchaser-+AT+-valint.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Hi.
Message-ID: <199801220511.FAA18118-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>

<snip>
 The Bible also says that one shouldn't get caught up
in fantasy (or something to that effect)

Hummm, I'm Catholic. I think, that the Bible implies that you shouldn't get
TOO wraped up into the fantasy. MY mom adds that its just not to get so
wraped up that you start beling it...of course this is just an opinion....

<snip>
 As for the buisiess, I happe to LIKE the borders, but I agree
that the main cover art is too buisy. It's partially the way that it's
drawen-the lines are very active. (Buisy looking) So while the picture is
good and fine, the lines are saying 'NO way! this is an exciting
picture!!

WEll put! For one thing the pictures she draws are lovely! (YEs the color
thing could use some help...) but then the pictures are cut up and a usually
darker border is placed on top of it....In the reference to the starry night
type of lines on the pictures, I like that beacuse it draws your eye accross
the picture...ok, I'm rambling...sounding too much like a Art student....




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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:08:41 GMT
From: Ailsa Reid <areid-+AT+-brookes.ac.uk>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Fanfic/Valdemar laws
Message-ID: <199801220908.JAA28480-+AT+-brookes.ac.uk>

Greetings and a slightly late Happy New Year to all!
 
Kris asked if there was a fan-fiction site for Misty, then Muranog Shadowbane 
said that a year or 2 ago you had to get direct permission from Misty.
As far as I know that still holds true. You can get a permission form from 
Queens Own, which is the official fan club. The address is in the back of the 
books (and its in the USA so I _still_ haven't worked out how to get them a 
reply-paid envelope!). I'm not sure if it lets you "publish" your work on the 
net, or if it only allows publication in whatever the Queens Own publication 
is. Publishing without permission apparently leads to nasty horrible lawyers 
descending upon you!
 
Changing subject a bit, any speculations on what kind of law they have in 
Valdemar? I mean, the Empire gives the impression of a very Roman-style law, 
with everything written down and codified. But that does not strike me as the 
way Valdemar would work! Maybe more like the UK, with about half or less 
written down :>  (Sorry, I got landed with environmental law this term)
 
Oh well, better go to work. Warm scarves and woolly hats in your favourite 
colours to all those who need them, and T-shirts and shorts for those who 
don't!
 
Ailsa
Member of the Council of Mist
 ____________________________________________________________________________
| Ailsa Reid					      97341098-+AT+-brookes.ac.uk |
|		   Pest: a creature without rights			     |
|	      (Chemistry in Britain, date unknown ?1991?)		     |
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 06:32:10 -0500 (EST)
From: AERDEN-+AT+-delphi.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Hi.
Message-ID: <01ISO1YBC5WY95XXI3-+AT+-delphi.com>

On 21-JAN-1998 11:29:56.0 mercedes-lackey said to AERDEN
 me>,
 me>>. I am a Christian which kinda contradicts my love for
 me>>fantasy.

Ari--Not at all!  J. R. R. Tolkien was a very famous Christian philosopher
and writer, and he had no conflicts with being Christian and a fantasy
author.  The same goes for C. S. Lewis.  Christianity in fact is
well-suited for being dove-tailed to fantasy, because both Christianity
and fantasy concern themselves with the conflict between good and evil,
and in both of them, good strives to overcome evil.

 me>"What do you want, you moon-faced assasin of joy?"  --Londo Molari

Surecorow--I heard this on _Babylon 5_ and loved it, too!  Poor Londo.  Poor
Vir.  :)


     Chantal



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