MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1466

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: Braid
	by Sioned MC <SionedMC-+AT+-aol.com>
  2) Re: Braid
	by "Polson, Amanda Brooke" <polsona-+AT+-citrine.indstate.edu>
  3) Re: Braid
	by Elizabeth Hoffman <E.G.Hoffman-+AT+-soton.ac.uk>
  4) Re: help
	by Ana Cotton <cousinshirley-+AT+-rocketmail.com>
  5) Good and Evil
	by "John E Morris" <JEATONM-+AT+-prodigy.net>
  6) Re: help
	by "John E Morris" <JEATONM-+AT+-prodigy.net>
  7) Van's silver hair(was re:braid)
	by Ana Cotton <cousinshirley-+AT+-rocketmail.com>
  8) Re: Vanyel's hair
	by "K.S." <n9582531-+AT+-cc.wwu.edu>
  9) Patchwork quilt of messages
	by "Tim & Tiffanie Gray" <tntgray-+AT+-sprintmail.com>
 10) Re: Braid
	by Sioned MC <SionedMC-+AT+-aol.com>
 11) Re: Vanyel's hair
	by Sioned MC <SionedMC-+AT+-aol.com>
 12) Re: Patchwork quilt of messages
	by andrea jessup <arjessup-+AT+-students.wisc.edu>
 13) Now that I know what a braid is . . .
	by Danielle May Marrone <dmarrone-+AT+-ic.sunysb.edu>
 14) Re: Braid
	by DFZC98A-+AT+-prodigy.com (MS SANDI L WELDON)
 15) Re: MIST: Copyrights (was Re: Fan Fiction?)
	by Owlie-+AT+-postoffice.worldnet.att.net
 16) Books and more Stuff
	by "Wind Dancer" <dancer_of_wind-+AT+-hotmail.com>
 17) Re: Braid
	by SionedMC-+AT+-aol.com
 18) Re: Braid
	by Julie Shim <jshim-+AT+-hermes.Netron.COM>
 19) Blurb
	by Julie Shim <jshim-+AT+-hermes.Netron.COM>
 20) LHM book
	by Adrienne Metz <ametz-+AT+-u.arizona.edu>
 21) Re: Patchwork quilt of messages
	by GrobuHit-+AT+-t-online.de (M. Grob u. S. Hitzler)
 22) Re: Patchwork quilt of messages
	by "Raven Darkblade" <abbykat-+AT+-hotmail.com>
 23) Subscribe
	by "Mark Severson" <markttz-+AT+-eonet.com>
 24) Re: I love this series
	by Megan E Steff <stef7604-+AT+-blue.unco.edu>
 25) Re: Good and Evil
	by Greg Wooledge <wooledge-+AT+-kellnet.com>
 26) Re: Vanyel's hair
	by MTerr50791 <MTerr50791-+AT+-aol.com>
 27) Re: Patchwork quilt of messages
	by "Angie" <heraldtg-+AT+-mbox3.singnet.com.sg>

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:45:59 EST
From: Sioned MC <SionedMC-+AT+-aol.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Braid
Message-ID: <8e91948a.34c8c949-+AT+-aol.com>

In a message dated 98-01-23 05:04:44 EST, you write:

<< Why doesnt Van have silver hair in magic's price? He 
 >had been working with node magic for years by then (or so my halting 
 >memory recalls) and his hair should have been streaked with white.
 
 Yes, I've wondered about that too. Does the books mention anywhere that
 Vanyel's hair has been bleached by magic? Where exactly? I forgot if they
 ever did.
  >>


I may be wrong about this but here goes..... I believe that Van's hair never
gets totally bleached out because he is not always around the magical nodes
the way the Tayledras are. They live with the nodes AND heartstones on a dialy
basis so they get bleached out early in their lives. Even the ones who are
scouts have bleached hair even though they do not work directly with the
nodes, they just dye it brown or whathave you to blend in with the trees and
brush. Now, Van lives in a place where the nodes ARE there but far beneath the
ground and the only heartstone is the one he created himself and it was a
small one.So, he uses them but does not constantly live around them. So, his
hair does begin to go silver but only a bit at a time. If you notice, the more
he works with them the more silver he gets. And, I think, at one point that is
said in the book. After a particularly hard time he has had and had to use the
nodes/heartstone much more than he usually would he notices he has even more
silver in his hair. I cannot for the life of me recall the parts I want to in
order to quote them here, but I am sick and have a fever so bear with me...<g>


Sioned

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 12:02:33 -0500
From: "Polson, Amanda Brooke" <polsona-+AT+-citrine.indstate.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Braid
Message-ID: <2277A804996-+AT+-citrine.indstate.edu>

Sioned,

I noticed your name and recognized it as one of the characters in a 
Melanie Rawn series.  Do you like her books and would you recommend 
them to another fervent reader?

Chayla

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:59:28 +0000 (GMT)
From: Elizabeth Hoffman <E.G.Hoffman-+AT+-soton.ac.uk>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Braid
Message-ID: <SIMEON.9801231728.B-+AT+-sghb-12.sucs.soton.ac.uk>


<You're describing the Dark is Rising sequence(5 books, not 7)
by Susan Cooper. I have an old copy...haven't seen it in print
for some time.>
Its avaialable in the UK from the childrens department, there 
was a all in one book version out as well.
Try the Internet bookshop (at http://www.bookshop.co.uk)for 
deliveries worldwide.

On the religion subject. I often find that in a lot of 
fantasy books its assumed that everyone will be the same 
basic religion and that only one religion will be right 
everyoneelse will be evil.  Its one of the things I've found 
nicest about Misty's books, the thing about "there is no one 
true way".  When you've been beaten up with the excuse that 
you're Jewish and seen friends of other religions having 
similar problems you really like an author who holds everyone 
fundamentally equal.  
Sorry about the preaching.
Elizabeth Hoffman
E.G.Hoffman-+AT+-soton.ac.uk


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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:19:37 -0800 (PST)
From: Ana Cotton <cousinshirley-+AT+-rocketmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: help
Message-ID: <19980123181937.28971.rocketmail-+AT+-web2.rocketmail.com>

Muranog Shadowbane wrote:
> You're describing the Dark is Rising
sequence(5 books, not 7)
> by Susan Cooper. I have an old copy...haven't
seen it in print
> for some time.>>>>>
Umm, actually I think they are coming out again/
being rereleased--I keep seeing them in the
bookstore. 

===

Hugs, Ana, Secretary, general dogsbody et al.
Life, the Universe and Everything, by Douglas
Adams--read it!  Also, watch Buffy: the Vampire
Slayer. Keeper of the GASP radio.
'I like my stupid life, just the way it is.. And
I wouldn't even change it for: a thousand flying
pigs'-- Boingo
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/6573

_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free -+AT+-yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com


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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:18:03 -0500
From: "John E Morris" <JEATONM-+AT+-prodigy.net>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Good and Evil
Message-ID: <01bd282b$3e5b0860$cd6e2581-+AT+-default>

    I have to say that novels in which good and evil are not so well-defined
are much more interesting than many of the "good guys get smacked around by
the bad guys until they suddenly develop the strength to wipe the bad guys
of the face of the planet" sort of books. Richard Goodkind's books come to
mind, in that many of his characters are ambiguous in their moral
affiliations..  While I read all of ML's books over and over, and snap up
new ones whenever they come out, I do have to say that (with a couple of
notable exceptions, such as what's-her-name kitsune in Chrome Circle, and
most recently, Tremane) that good and evil in her books are very strongly
defined.  Even Karse went from being the great Enemy of everyone around them
to being  a friend.  Karal notwithstanding, we really didn't get to see the
transition.  One moment Karse was evil, and the next Talia was a
Sun-priestess.  Still, I love to read her...


Surecrow

"Niles, shut up"


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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:20:58 -0500
From: "John E Morris" <JEATONM-+AT+-prodigy.net>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: help
Message-ID: <01bd282b$a6fc4fa0$cd6e2581-+AT+-default>

>Ari--It's the 'The Dark Is Rising' series by Susan Cooper.  GREAT books!
>And it's Uncle Merlyon.
>
>
>     Chantal
>

That really is a fantastic series - It ranks up with Prydain Chronicles by
Lloyd Alexander and a bit below The Chronicles of Narnia by C.S.Lewis.

Surecrow


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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:21:21 -0800 (PST)
From: Ana Cotton <cousinshirley-+AT+-rocketmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Van's silver hair(was re:braid)
Message-ID: <19980123182121.8209.rocketmail-+AT+-web1.rocketmail.com>

Van's silver hair discussion....
Sioned wrote:
<most of it snippety, snip, snip>
 I cannot for the life of me recall the parts I
want to in order to quote them here, but I am
sick and have a fever so bear with
me...<g>>>>>>>>>>>

Ok, don't quote me on this, but I think one of
the times this was mentioned was in MPrice, when
Van was getting ready to go on vaccie with Stef. 
Also, in MPromise, near the start Savil says
something about him having more gray hairs, so
people would respect him more? Sorry, its been a
while since I read 'em, so I can't give page
numbers, etc.

Hope the fever goes away, lovie. Lots of cyber
chicken soup (or an acceptable substitute)going
your way.
===

Hugs, Ana, Secretary, general dogsbody et al.
Life, the Universe and Everything, by Douglas
Adams--read it!  Also, watch Buffy: the Vampire
Slayer. Keeper of the GASP radio.
'I like my stupid life, just the way it is.. And
I wouldn't even change it for: a thousand flying
pigs'-- Boingo
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/6573

_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free -+AT+-yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com


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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:40:42 -0800 (PST)
From: "K.S." <n9582531-+AT+-cc.wwu.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Vanyel's hair
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980123103801.17799B-100000-+AT+-titan.cc.wwu.edu>

> 
> Yes, I've wondered about that too. Does the books mention anywhere that
> Vanyel's hair has been bleached by magic? Where exactly? I forgot if they
> ever did.
> Femmy
> 
I know that it is mentioned several times, but the only one I can think of
of the top of my head is when Van and 'Fandes are getting home from doing
some kind of ambassador work.  It was snowing and they were all muddy and
cold, and the guard at the tunnel stopped them. (I believe she said
something to the effect of "what do you think you're doing old man, a guy
your age should know better" (referring to his white hair))  


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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:09:17 -0000
From: "Tim & Tiffanie Gray" <tntgray-+AT+-sprintmail.com>
To: "Misty List" <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Patchwork quilt of messages
Message-ID: <01bd2800$1c924160$428abfa8-+AT+-tiffanie>

>Somebody wrote:
<snip>
>because both Christianity
>and fantasy concern themselves with the conflict between good and evil,
>and in both of them, good strives to overcome evil.
>My sister told me about a book she read some time ago...
>Good had won the eternal battle
>against evil but soon found out that live was horrible without evil
>(or that they couldn't exist without evil, too, I don`t remember
>exactly, sorry).

Okay, I think that the name of the book in question is "Villains by
Necessity", I don't remember who it is by, but I remember the SFBC blurb on
it sounded really funny.  These three or nice people in the book realize
that evil is needed to balance the world so they set out learning how to be
bad.

*************************
Shadowblade, I haven't forgotten you, I've been really busy.

************************
Yes, Femmy did get unfairly chastised a few months ago.  Appologies from the
list, and from me for not sticking up for your right to voice a civil
opinion on the list.

***********************
On the Fantasy vs religon....we (me and Carrach) believe like Misty says
Good things done in the name of evil are still good and Evil done in the
name of good is still evil.  Or in other words....there is good to be found
in NEARLY everything, you just need to sort the good from the dross.  We all
need to find similarities rather than always pointing out the differences.
Isn't that what most of Misty's work is about?  Even if someone or something
is different, they can be good and have similarities with us.

P.S.  two years ago when we had the Wiccan discussion I learned alot and
really enjoyed it.  thank you Cennyd and all the others who discussed it at
the time.

*************************
Okay, I rarely do the soapbox thing, because all we can afford is carboard
boxes of soap, and I tend to fall right through them when I stand on them.
So, I got a chair instead.  You have been warned, if you don't want to see a
pet peeve, then go to the next set of astericks. (What does a Peeve look
like anyway?  Are they fluffy and cute, sort of scaley and green and purple?
They must have some redeeming quality, as everyone likes to keep them as
pets.) *grin*

My pet peeve about religion on the list, by Dax the Eternal:

When, people are having a nice discussion, and tying it in to Misty and are
learing about things and someone pops up on the list (no names here, it
happens at least once every religion dicussion round) and says "Don't shove
your religion down my throat."  Especially when no one WAS shoving.  If the
letter isn't addressed to you personally, they are not shoving it down your
throat.  It always sends a jolt through me and I think the list, when that
happens, as everyone then scrambles to try to avoid offending everyone all
of a sudden.  If you can't be tolerant of someone questioning and exploring
their life with friends on the list, why are you here?

End of Peeve...back to regularly scheduled fluff.

**********************
On the Vanyel with white hair:  He mentions to Savil that the streaks of
white make him look more dignified and older (respectable) or some such, but
not that he goes completely white.

*************************
Cennyd:
> Hmmmmm.  I'm curious now.  Given that fantasy fiction is a fairly recent
> development (what we usually term fantasy fiction is a 20th century
> phenomenon), I have to wonder how the Bible (which was written
> significantly longer ago than 1900) could warn against fantasy fiction.
> What exactly is the warning?
Ari:
>Well, it says something about implying something like fairy tales.  I read
>it a while age and I think it is in Leviticus.

I couldn't find the reference you were mentioning, although there were lots
of other do's and don'ts.  But you have to be careful anytime you take
ANYTHING out of context in any book, especially religious texts.  Background
is very important.  I once saw an entire baseball game that was taken from
the bible, by taking verses out of context....it was hilarious.  *grin* I
guess, what I'm trying to say is, if you try hard enough you can interpret
anything the way you want.  Just look at the people that Misty's having all
the problems with.

***********************

Well, that's it for today, folks!

Dax the Eternal,
Goddess of Elves and Unicorns
Evangelist of Low Humor, Knight of Fluff,
"Daxes always drive/ride/fly fast, always keep your brakes in good order." -
Rules of Dax Ownership #9



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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:11:23 EST
From: Sioned MC <SionedMC-+AT+-aol.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Braid
Message-ID: <7a53c43e.34c8eb5e-+AT+-aol.com>

In a message dated 98-01-23 12:43:44 EST, Chayla wrote:

<< Sioned,
 
 I noticed your name and recognized it as one of the characters in a 
 Melanie Rawn series.  Do you like her books and would you recommend 
 them to another fervent reader?
 
 Chayla >>


Chyla...named after my beloved brother in law Chaynal....<wink>

     Oh my YES!!! Melanie Rawn is one of the finest writers I have ever had
the privilege of reading ( besides Misty of course...). She brings the
characters to life in such a way as to make them your family, your
friends,.... Now bear in mind, I read a lot..A LOT! And she was one of the
first writers to make me put a book down and weep. Things happen in this
series that only she could pull off. There are, in total, 6 books in the
series. And once you get to the end of them you will feel these people become
part of your heart.  This series of books has everything a reader could
want.....I highly recommend these books to any and all. And I have to say that
it is because of her that I met my chosen....PrnceRohan. I was on line one day
and up popped Rohan's name in an instant messege. One thing lead to another
and here we are 1 and half years later waiting to be married in the Summer.
Hows that for fate?! 


Goddess Blessings and Wind to the wings....

Sioned

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:26:32 EST
From: Sioned MC <SionedMC-+AT+-aol.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Vanyel's hair
Message-ID: <da1b092.34c8eeea-+AT+-aol.com>

In a message dated 98-01-23 14:24:14 EST, you write:

<<  (I believe she said
 something to the effect of "what do you think you're doing old man, a guy
 your age should know better" (referring to his white hair))  
 
 >>
Yes and I did find that one but it was another I was thinking of. Who knows..

Everyone who sent me soup and tea and everything else thank you so much you
are all so so so sweet. This is apparently the FIRST part of the flu. SO I
have a ways to go before I get better. Hacking cough and dying I
think...LOL.Thanks everyone...{{{{**}}}}}



SIOned

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:43:39 -0600
From: andrea jessup <arjessup-+AT+-students.wisc.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Patchwork quilt of messages
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980123134339.006e2cc8-+AT+-students.wisc.edu>

>Okay, I think that the name of the book in question is "Villains by
>Necessity", I don't remember who it is by, but I remember the SFBC blurb on
>it sounded really funny.  These three or nice people in the book realize
>that evil is needed to balance the world so they set out learning how to be
>bad.
>


	The book is "Villians by Necessity".  I read it a year or two ago.....it
was great!!!!!  i reccommend that everyone read it, eapecially people like
me who are sick of good always being right and that whole deal.  Its a well
written book, and totally hilarious!.  Ok, the point of this is....READ
IT!!!  I loved it!
			Dre


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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:53:13 -0500 (EST)
From: Danielle May Marrone <dmarrone-+AT+-ic.sunysb.edu>
To: Mercedes Lackey Fan List <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Now that I know what a braid is . . .
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980123152657.6938B-100000-+AT+-sparky>

I want to say thanks to all who helped me remember the Dark is
Rising series.  

<<<<SNIP>>>>
"On the religion subject. I often find that in a lot of 
fantasy books its assumed that everyone will be the same 
basic religion and that only one religion will be right 
everyone else will be evil.  Its one of the things I've found 
nicest about Misty's books, the thing about "there is no one 
true way"."  

ME: I liked this very much too.

<<<<SNIP>>>>
One moment Karse was evil, and the next Talia was a
Sun-priestess.

ME: But we did get somewhat of an explanation.  And it happened while
Elspeth was away, and we were "with" her and not in Valdemar, which was a
few years at least.

*************************************************************************
I probably should have done the following off list, but I realized this
after I pasted the passage here and deleted the original e-mail (I've
learned a lesson). So here it is.
*************************************************************************

<<<<SNIP>>>>
I couldn't find the reference you were mentioning, although there were
lots of other do's and don'ts.  

ME: Such as: one should not cut one's hair.

But you have to be careful anytime you take ANYTHING out of context in any
book, especially religious texts. Background is very important.  I once
saw an entire baseball game that was taken from the bible, by taking
verses out of context....it was hilarious. *grin* 

ME: I'd love to see that.  Sounds neat.  It is my beleif that the Bible
should be taken literally and not have tons of meaning forced into one
little verse.  

<<<<SNIP>>>>
I guess, what I'm trying to say is, if you try hard enough you can
interpret anything the way you want.

ME: Well, at the time I happened to be reading the Bible for a
college class, so I wasn't actively trying to find something.  The verse
kinda jumped out at me and I thought 'Uh oh' and explored it a bit to see
if I took my love for fantasy too far.  I came to the conclusion at that
point that as long as I don't let fantasy get in the way with my "walk
with the Lord" everything would be OK.


				Lot's of Love,
				ARI

PS  Have a great weekend all!



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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:04:00, -0500
From: DFZC98A-+AT+-prodigy.com (MS SANDI L WELDON)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Braid
Message-ID: <199801232104.QAA18080-+AT+-mime4.prodigy.com>

At the beginning of Magic's Price, it talks about how much silver 
Vanyel has in his hair from using the nodes.  The hair on the cover 
of the book is solid black.
sandi

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:33:16 +0000
From: Owlie-+AT+-postoffice.worldnet.att.net
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: MIST: Copyrights (was Re: Fan Fiction?)
Message-ID: <19980123213612.AAA28430-+AT+-pooka>


Hi all,


    It was for the exact reason that Cennydd described with
MZB that stopped Misty from allowing fan fiction in general.
It was the coincidence of Marion writing one of her Darkover
books and running into this person who had written something
similar in a piece of fan fiction.  

   She actually tried to negotiate with this person, and
when it got nasty, a lot of the writing community learned
a lesson from it.

   Misty did allow some on-line fan fiction that she was able
to monitor herself on a private BBS --- the people involved
had to write a copyright waiver request form before they were
allowed to participate. Even then, they could not used established
characters, but had to create their own.  What her policy is now 
would be found out by writing to her at the Aerie.  


    There are other authors who do allow some fan fiction.  Anne
McCaffrey is one, but even there, it is done in an alternate time
line and with original characters.  


     elaine/nightowl    

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:38:14 PST
From: "Wind Dancer" <dancer_of_wind-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Books and more Stuff
Message-ID: <19980123213815.2693.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com>

Heyla, this is for Ari and anyone else who might need it...
  The series you are thinking of is the Dark is rising series, and here 
are all the titles:

  Over Sea, Under stone
  The Dark is Rising
  Greenwitch
  The Grey King
  Silver on the Tree

  Susan Cooper (the Author ) has also written two more books (for a 
total of 7) but not having to do with this series.  One is about a child 
during WWI, the other about two kids ending up in a magical world.
  Just FYI...  The Uncle's name was  Professor Merriman Lyon.  I know 
all this because they have been one of my favorite series for years, and 
i still reread them on a regular basis.  Great books!!!!

  Anyway...  As to the Vanyel's hair thing... There are several parts in 
"Magic's Price" where Van runs his hand through his silver streaked 
hair.  I would ordinarily quote them, but as soon as I need to find 
something I can NEVER find it!!!  Anyway, it's there...  :)

  Has anyone ever noticed (I sure some people have) that the blurb on 
the back of any of the Last Herald Mage books (or just about any Misty 
books for that matter) dont really emphasize what the majority of the 
book is about?  Maybe it's just me.  I just thought that was sorta 
strange... Who writes those anyway?  

  Well, Peace and chocolate covered crunchy computers (entirely edible) 
to you all!
  
   Andi

PS, Skywolf, take your time with the collection! I know how yucky exams 
are! Here are some more.. I hope I havent already sent them..

The seminar on Advanced Time Travel will be held a week ago.
Hail Caesar! We who are about to dine salad you.
A harp is a nude piano.
Mirrorcide: Main cause of death among finches and budgies.
We have a proud tradition of accepting only large bribes.
Never accept a drink from an urologist!
TOURIST SEASON! DOES that mean we can shoot them?
MOM'S HINT #269: Learn to say "Watch out!" with feeling.
"I'm going to blow it up.  It obstructs my view of Venus" - Marvin
And God said, "Let Einstein be"... and all was relative.
"So many Nymphs, so little time."-Pan
Early to rise, early to bed, makes a man healthy but socially dead.
Help! Help! I'm being repress... OUCH... HEY...STOP!
The problem with the gene pool is that there is no lifeguard.
Don't sweat petty things... or pet sweaty things.
Borrow money from pessimists-they don't expect it back.
Half the people you know are below average.
Boycott shampoo! Demand the REAL poo!
If you choke a smurf, what color does it turn?
Energizer Bunny arrested, charged with battery.
I used to have an open mind but my brains kept falling out.
I couldn't repair your brakes, so I made your horn louder.
OK, so what's the speed of dark?
All those who believe in psychokinesis raise my hand.
.                                <-- Tagline abducted by aliens!
"Verry Funny Scotty......Now beam  Down My Clothes." - Kirk
Biologically challenged = dead.
I bought dehydrated water... but I don't know what to add.
If it wasn't for the last minute, nothing would get done.
I brake for animals - and accelerate for small children.
Let him who takes the plunge remember to return it by Tuesday.

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:55:45 EST
From: SionedMC-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Braid
Message-ID: <d64b97fa.34c911e2-+AT+-aol.com>

In a message dated 98-01-23 16:54:36 EST, you write:

<< At the beginning of Magic's Price, it talks about how much silver 
 Vanyel has in his hair from using the nodes.  The hair on the cover 
 of the book is solid black.
 sandi
  >>



I wonder if Jody Lee reads the book before she does the covers. Does anyone
know? 

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:17:50 -0500
From: Julie Shim <jshim-+AT+-hermes.Netron.COM>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Braid
Message-ID: <34C9170D.8B6F78CF-+AT+-netron.com>

Hi y'all!

MS SANDI L WELDON wrote:

> At the beginning of Magic's Price, it talks about how much silver
> Vanyel has in his hair from using the nodes.  The hair on the cover
> of the book is solid black.
> sandi

  I think that as long as we get the details in the story, the cover art
(although the hair can be seen as an oversight of Jody's) can have a
degree of artistic license.  Cover art tries to encompass the whole
story within the boundaries of one visual space and sometimes the artist
is successful and sometimes not.  Jody has done a beautiful job with the
Last HeraldMage series.  The covers convey a degree of emotion and
humanity that is hardly found elsewhere (you can see this particularly
on the covers of the first printing of this series).  In the end we will
all have a different mental picture of Vanyel that we construct from the
words Misty wrote, which will most likely be a variation of Jody's
portrayal.

Peace Brothers and Sisters.  Wind to thy Wings.  J.


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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:31:19 -0500
From: Julie Shim <jshim-+AT+-hermes.Netron.COM>
To: Mercedes Lackey <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Blurb
Message-ID: <34C91A37.A9E6C95B-+AT+-netron.com>

Greetings with Sunshine!

Wind Dancer wrote:

>   Has anyone ever noticed (I sure some people have) that the blurb on
> the back of any of the Last Herald Mage books (or just about any Misty
> books for that matter) dont really emphasize what the majority of the
> book is about?  Maybe it's just me.  I just thought that was sorta
> strange... Who writes those anyway?
>

OK, can't answer the questions but whole heartedly agree.  Since the blurbs
don't summarize the storyline very well, I would think that they should be
done away with altogether.  I think that Misty has reached the point where
her books do not need the blurbs as an advertising draw in trick, because
her Name sells.  We as her fans know by now her quality of writing, which is
not really reflected in those blurbs at all.  Gotta go!  I'll take this up
again later.  I'm curious to see what you guys think.

Wind to thy Wings. J.


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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:37:37 -0700
From: Adrienne Metz <ametz-+AT+-u.arizona.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: LHM book
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980123153737.006f9254-+AT+-pop.u.arizona.edu>

Hi!  I'm writing to gloat a bit, I guess :)
Last weekend I found The Last Herald Mage trilogy as one book in hardcover at a used bookstore here in Tucson.  I thought it was a pretty good find and only cost me $4 (and the book is in good condition).  On the cover, speaking of cover art, Vanyel does look older-- facial wise like in his 30s -- than he does on the paperbacks, and he has silver streaks in his hair.

I also wanted to request that the response to Wind Dancer's question about becoming a Herald to be posted to the whole list.  I think there might be enough of us who have not been on the list a long time who want to know to warrant it being posted to the list.  

OK, I guess that's about it.

Adrienne


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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 23:48:26 +0100
From: GrobuHit-+AT+-t-online.de (M. Grob u. S. Hitzler)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Patchwork quilt of messages
Message-ID: <m0xvrti-0003G9C-+AT+-fwd03.btx.dtag.de>

Heyla, listsibs,

first of all, thanks to Cennyd for the interesting mail on the religion topic. 
You put it the way I wanted to put it but my skill in this language is near zero 
at the end of a hard day. (And it is hard to sit and wait in the office for 8 to 
9 hours a day without a thing to do! It's so boring). What's more I'm very 
sensitive to injustice and intolerance. It makes me so mad I have to count to 
one million four hundred ninty-five thousand six hundred eleven to calm down 
enough to uttered something that is NOT offending but convincing.

Dax asked:
>What does a Peeve look like anyway?

Read Tanith Lee's Black Unicorn (and its sequels Gold Unicorn and something 
coloured Unicorn). The heroine has a peeve as familiar. Of course it's a magical 
being but it made me want one, too. Well, to come think of it, one of my cats 
often behaves like the peeve, acutally.

And Dax, concerning religion again, I like a good discussion on this topic as 
far as everybody gets the same rights. I followed the recent discussion with 
interest whitout feeling as if somebody shoved anything down my throat. Well, 
not quite. Whenever religion is concerned, I get the impression people are too 
convinced of their believe. But I guess that's what it's all about, isn`t it? If 
you weren't convinced you wouldn't bother to mention your believe, would you?
As long as you stay fair and don't harm anyone. *g*

Honey and lemon tea to all of you who are ill and clotted cream with jam and 
scones to anybody else

WTTW
Shantaya Autumnleaf

Tagline:
You can't run with the big wolves if you still pee like a puppy.
(Sorry, that'`s the only one I know!)


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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:51:41 PST
From: "Raven Darkblade" <abbykat-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Patchwork quilt of messages
Message-ID: <19980123235142.17979.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com>



<<<Somebody wrote:
<snip>
because both Christianity and fantasy concern themselves with the 
conflict between good and evil, and in both of them, good strives to 
overcome evil. My sister told me about a book she read some time ago... 
Good had won the eternal battle against evil but soon found out that 
live was horrible without evil (or that they couldn't exist without 
evil, too, I don`t remember exactly, sorry).>>>

Reminds me a great deal of (shameless Dragonlance plug) the situation in 
the Dragonlance books that caused the Cataclysm. Good was prevailing, 
and was destroying the balance... hence, the fiery mountain. (Yes, I 
know the Kingpriest had something to do with it too. But the balance 
played a major part.)


<<(What does a Peeve look like anyway?  Are they fluffy and cute, sort 
of scaley and green and purple? They must have some redeeming quality, 
as everyone likes to keep them as pets.) *grin*>>

They're rather heavy, fluffy, less inscrutable versions of outdoor 
domestic cats. They tend to get into things, and keep nests full of 
anything that has struck their fancy. They also tend to hide soup-bones 
in unpleasant places likke under your bed. On occasion one gets hit by a 
spell gone awry, and learns to talk.

I had intended to add to some of the Misty-related conversations going 
around, but they all got away from me. :( So no ob-Misty toay. Mea 
culpa!

Zha'hai'allav'a,
Raven Darkblade,
Holy Hand of the Goddess of Elves

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:13:18 -0600
From: "Mark Severson" <markttz-+AT+-eonet.com>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Subscribe
Message-ID: <000d01bd285c$e0db1b80$7b6cb4cd-+AT+-markttz.eonet.com>

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:33:13 -0700 (MST)
From: Megan E Steff <stef7604-+AT+-blue.unco.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: I love this series
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.96.980123193107.92800A-100000-+AT+-blue.UnivNorthCo.EDU>

I became a Lackey fan on my birthday....when I turned 20...a year and
almost a half ago...read queens own trilogy....loved it...i love being
able to feel what i am reading...i also liked the fact that she is not
afraid of putting lesbianism and gay people in her book.  I like how she
is open to all sorts of differences..she is a amazing author and i really
like the empathy and feelings in her books.


OK me..i am 21 in college...sociology major..emphasis in family studies
minoring in Women Studies...kinda of just looking for people to talk to
about books and life and stuff.


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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 22:37:05 -0500
From: Greg Wooledge <wooledge-+AT+-kellnet.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Good and Evil
Message-ID: <19980123223705.13755-+AT+-phoenix.local>

John E Morris (JEATONM-+AT+-prodigy.net) wrote:

>     I have to say that novels in which good and evil are not so well-defined
> are much more interesting than many of the "good guys get smacked around by
> the bad guys until they suddenly develop the strength to wipe the bad guys
> of the face of the planet" sort of books.

You might want to try reading Michael Moorcock's books.  His Elric
series is quite good, as is the standalone(?) novel "The War Hound and
the World's Pain".

> Richard Goodkind's books come to
> mind, in that many of his characters are ambiguous in their moral
> affiliations..

Sounds like Moorcock/Elric to me.

-- 
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# wooledge-+AT+-kellnet.com                  #   use Microsoft Windows?"
# http://kellnet.com/wooledge/main.html # "Don't stare, son; it's not polite."
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 23:15:34 EST
From: MTerr50791 <MTerr50791-+AT+-aol.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Vanyel's hair
Message-ID: <2b578292.34c96ae9-+AT+-aol.com>

I don't have the book in front of me, but I remember near the beginning of
"Magic's Promise", Van has just came back from the border and is taking a bath
and a Herald 
come in and mentions he has more white in his hair and Van says it from node
magic.

 June

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 21:28:00 +0800
From: "Angie" <heraldtg-+AT+-mbox3.singnet.com.sg>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Patchwork quilt of messages
Message-ID: <01bd28cb$e43b3700$0100007f-+AT+-localhost>

Dax the Eternal wrote:
:Shadowblade, I haven't forgotten you, I've been really busy.

don't worry. I'm busy with my hw as well. No idea how I keep up with you
guys onlist... aw heck. Here's my reply...

:************************
:Yes, Femmy did get unfairly chastised a few months ago.

This little crisis here is just so totally crazy. If the one who flamed her
is reading this, quit being a jerkoff. Cos if you behaved like this is
Singapore, believe me... you'd wish you never said that.
Being Muslim is nothing bad, and for one thing, their religion plays quite
close to being Catholic (note the "quite") And for another, Hari Raya (their
big celebration of the year) is coming up. How would you feel if your
religion's big bang was up and you just got flamed? SO. To all Muslims
onlist : SELAMAT HARI RAYA AIDILFITRI! (hope I spelt that right) And to all
the Chinese: Happy Chinese New Year! Where's my red packet (gong xi fa cai,
hong bao na lai!) ?;)
--
:On the Vanyel with white hair:  He mentions to Savil that the streaks of
:white make him look more dignified and older (respectable) or some such,
but
:not that he goes completely white.
Do _not_ quote me on this, but wasn't there this line in MPrice (lent the bk
to my friend, soory no textevd) that said something about Van looking as
perfect as a marble statue. With his silver hair, eyes and Whites? Or
something? Me = cannot remember. Sorry!

Well.
I've been lurking for far too long. But as I said, I had the "S" word.
school for 11 hours everyday (incl Sats.). don't you just Love the education
system?
;)

Chocolate cookie sheep to everyone! Salad to those who are Vegetarian and
Chicken soup to the sick!

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       ) (         Shadowblade mindmate to Raul
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