MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1467 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Christianity/religion vs fantasy by Femmy Syahrani 2) Christianity/religion vs fantasy by Femmy Syahrani 3) I Wonder? by Shadowdancer 4) Re: I Wonder? by Megan E Steff 5) Good and evil by Beth Cavanaugh 6) RE: Vanyel's Hair by eleri-+AT+-webtv.net 7) Small braid by "Raven Darkblade" 8) braid by Shadowdancer 9) Re: braid by "freddiek" 10) Owlflight? by troll-+AT+-netcomuk.co.uk 11) Re: I Wonder? by Owlie-+AT+-postoffice.worldnet.att.net 12) Re: Small braid by Megan E Steff ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 20:38:38 +0700 From: Femmy Syahrani To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Christianity/religion vs fantasy Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980124203838.0068c778-+AT+-mail.melsa.net.id> Hi all, Shantaya Autumnleaf said, >Re the christianity issue: I remember that some time ago Femmy (I guess it >was) was flamed (privately) for writing she (he? sorry, don't know) was Moslem. Just to clear things up. I wasn't flamed. The person just reminded me what was in the Newbiefest concerning airing religious views on the list, and it wasn't in any way offensive. And I'm a she :) Surecrow said, >The belief in magic is very old and was certainly not absent from the lives >of the OT's authors, a fact that is either overlooked or just ignored by >many of the fundamentalist groups who condem fantasy novels and games. The absence or non-absence of the belief in magic is not really the thing in question. The important question is, IMHO, whether or not the OT's authors approved of that belief. And about magic, Misty's books in particular doesn't really bothers me. But fantasies like Orson Scott Card's Alvin Maker Series did bother me a little, because it clearly states that there is magic in this world, which I don't believe in. But sometimes I feel that by reading the book, it means that I do believe in magic. Maybe it's not really rational thinking, but I do feel that sometimes. What bothers me more is when I'm writing fantasy. Most cultures in fantasy world have their own religions and gods. That means I have to make up all these religions and gods that I don't believe in. And I feel so guilty about making them up. I know some of you write fantasy also. Do you feel the way I do, or is it just me? Femmy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 20:51:47 +0700 From: Femmy Syahrani To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Christianity/religion vs fantasy Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980124205147.0069f39c-+AT+-mail.melsa.net.id> Hi all, I'm sorry if you get this twice, but I'm not sure if the first one get through Shantaya Autumnleaf said, >Re the christianity issue: I remember that some time ago Femmy (I guess it >was) was flamed (privately) for writing she (he? sorry, don't know) was Moslem. Just to clear things up. I wasn't flamed. The person just reminded me what was in the Newbiefest concerning airing religious views on the list, and it wasn't in any way offensive. And I'm a she :) Surecrow said, >The belief in magic is very old and was certainly not absent from the lives >of the OT's authors, a fact that is either overlooked or just ignored by >many of the fundamentalist groups who condem fantasy novels and games. The absence or non-absence of the belief in magic is not really the thing in question. The important question is, IMHO, whether or not the OT's authors approved of that belief. And about magic, Misty's books in particular doesn't really bothers me. But fantasies like Orson Scott Card's Alvin Maker Series did bother me a little, because it clearly states that there is magic in this world, which I don't believe in. But sometimes I feel that by reading the book, it means that I do believe in magic. Maybe it's not really rational thinking, but I do feel that sometimes. What bothers me more is when I'm writing fantasy. Most cultures in fantasy world have their own religions and gods. That means I have to make up all these religions and gods that I don't believe in. And I feel so guilty about making them up. I know some of you write fantasy also. Do you feel the way I do, or is it just me? Femmy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 10:47:51 -0500 From: Shadowdancer To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: I Wonder? Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980124104751.007be100-+AT+-internet_link> Some one stated that Van didn't have as much white hair because he didn't live in a Vale with a Heartstone. Well now that Valdemar has a Heartstone in Haven I Wonder if All the Hearalds will now have hair to match their clothes?? This will be interesting to see, that is if Misty goes back to writing about that part of the time line. Wind to thy Wings & Never give up on the Dance of Life Shadowdancer ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 12:34:02 -0700 (MST) From: Megan E Steff To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: I Wonder? Message-ID: I don't think all the heralds will have white hair. If you remember that there were only certain heralds who could work with node magic and heartstones. The companions work with this energy all the time so that is why they are white but most heralds are incapable of working with it..so in which case they would not be able to have white hair. Also if you read the last novel that has just came out (forgot the name cause i read it awhile ago) With chaos coming back and trying to put the world back the way it should....it said something along the lines that the key-line and nodes all disappeared so the world was all eqaaul again. I think this is drastically going to change things. I think that the magics might have disappeared to most remote levels without energy sorces ....what do you all think? Meg On Sat, 24 Jan 1998, Shadowdancer wrote: > Some one stated that Van didn't have as much white hair because he didn't > live in a Vale with a Heartstone. Well now that Valdemar has a Heartstone > in Haven I Wonder if All the Hearalds will now have hair to match their > clothes?? > > This will be interesting to see, that is if Misty goes back to writing > about that part of the time line. > Wind to thy Wings > & > Never give up on the Dance of Life > > Shadowdancer > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 19:46:38 GMT From: Beth Cavanaugh To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Good and evil Message-ID: <199801241946.TAA21049-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> It was said in Mary Stantons books, the Heavenly horse from the Outermost West: "There can be no good with out evil to challenge it, there can be no evil with out good to balance it." I truely think that sums it up. What do you say? BTW, has anyone out there ever read these books? Please, if so e-mail me off the list!!!! Beth Zhai'helleva! _//\ /=========\_ _/ o- \ /////\_\_\_\_\_ /*_\_ \////////\_\_\_\_\_ \|-/-- \////////_\ \ \ \ \ / / ///////\_\_\_\_\_\_\ / //\_\_\ _\_\ _\ \ __\_\_\_\_\ _\ _ _ \ / / \_ \_\/\ _\ /// \\ / _/\ / \_ /\_\ _\ \\\_/\\/ /_____--------/ /___/\---\ _\ ___/\_/ /-------/ / \ \ /o-/o-/ \/------------/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 15:27:57 -0500 From: eleri-+AT+-webtv.net To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: RE: Vanyel's Hair Message-ID: <199801242027.MAA28153-+AT+-mailtod-142.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Heyla All, Delurking to offer up some Text Evd for the discussion on Vanyel's hair. I've been seeing people say "I think..." and "Somewhere in...", so I did a little searching. In MPromise pg 13 "There's more silver in your hair, too," Tantras observed, head to one side. Vanyel made a face, just as glad of the change in subject. "Node-magic. Every time I tap into it, more of my roots go white. Moondance K'Treva was pure silver by the time he was my age; I guess I'm more resistant." Pg 39 :Vanyel, ke'chara, you are not well. There's more silver in this lovely black hair.: He couldn't lie mind-to-mind, not to her, so he temporized. :The silver's from working with the nodes; you should know that. ....: (note Savil and Vanyel) In MPrice pg 26 His once black-hair was thickly streaked with white, but that wasn't from age, that was from working magic with what he and his aunt, Herald-Mage Savil, called "nodes". Pg 44 Long, silvered black hair, the face every women in the Court sighed over, silver eyes that seemed to look straight into the heart -- there was no mistaking this Herald for any other. Pg 210 "Beg your pardon, milord Vanyel," eaistiffly. "Just saw the white in your hair, and --" Pg 283 An old man, he thought, seeing the long, silver-threaded hair; but that was befor they dumped him unceremoniously beside the bench. Pg 294The man was already a strange one; hair streaked with silver as any old gaffer, yet plainly much younger,and under the bruises was a face that would set maidens swooning. Sorry for the long post, but I thoght that I would clear up the confusing regarding the white in his hair. This all comes from the PB version, and whenever I see the covers with the black hair, I mentally "draw" in the white streaks. Imagination is a wonderful thing! WTTW, Eleri ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 13:13:08 PST From: "Raven Darkblade" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Small braid Message-ID: <19980124211309.26761.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Femmy wrote: <> I've had the same experience. In the end, I've found that doing one of two things usually works. I either make my fantasy deity mirror my own God, as I did with the tri-aspected Solaras/Siliel/Seleine. Or, I make my deity/deities fallible. It usually works for me.. Meg wrote: <> Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that Elspeth, Darkwind, Tremane, and Solaris worked out a way to shield the nodes. They did it in order to kkeep them from acting up when waves hit--but I think the nodes that were shielded are still there. The book, btw, was Storm Breaking. I cried. Why? Not sure. Zha'hai'allav'a, Raven Darkblade, Holy Hand of the Goddess of Elves \ \\ \%, ,' , ,. \%\,';/J,";";";;,,. \%;((`);)));`;;,., ,`;))((;`,`((;(;;);;,` ;`((```))`~ ``; );(;));;, `-+AT+- `(( `), (;;);;;;` / `) `` /;~ `;;;;;;;);, / , ` ,/` / (`;;(;;;;, (o /)_/` / ,);;;`;;;;;`,, `~` `~` ` ``;, ``;" ';, `' `' `' abbykat-+AT+-hotmail.com http://www.angelfire.com/ky/Ashke/ http://dragonlance.justbecause.org/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:47:18 -0500 From: Shadowdancer To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: braid Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980124164718.00801650-+AT+-internet_link> Meg, As to white hair, I think I remember something in one of the books that everyone that lived in the Vale with the Heartstone got white hair and blue eyes. The ones that did not work with magic took longer to bleach out. Does this mean that the Hearlds will match their Companions in time?? ***************** Beth, I have read those books, and I liked them. For other horse books read: The Warhorse of Esdragon Series by: Susan Dexter or The Hunnuli Horse series by: Mary H. Herbert I loved both of them Wind to thy Wings & Never give up on the Dance of Life Shadowdancer ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 18:11:29 -0000 From: "freddiek" To: Subject: Re: braid Message-ID: <199801250027.SAA23020-+AT+-one.autobahn.mb.ca> in response to the issue of bleaching of hair in Haven: The heartstone was located in a very heavily shielded room with shields on the palace as well, so it is probably likely that the only ones who would be bleached by the heartstone would be the ones who directly work with it as to magic and the shielded nodes: i haven't read Owlflight yet, but i think magic was drastically changed after the magestorms. Yes the nodes were shielded but that was so they wouldn't blow up in a release of energy. What would be affected are the leylines leaded into the nodes. These would "dry up" , and eventually cause the nodes themselves to disappear. I mean thats the impression I get from the end of Storm breaking. Fred ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 00:59:01 GMT From: troll-+AT+-netcomuk.co.uk To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Owlflight? Message-ID: <19981251048141-+AT+-netcomuk.co.uk> I've seen a couple of people mention this Owlflight thing now, implying that it's a sequel of some kind to the Storms trilogy. Is this so, and if so does anyone know if it's out here in the UK yet? Wind to thy wings, Muranog Shadowbane Troll Herald-Mage ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 20:29:43 +0000 From: Owlie-+AT+-postoffice.worldnet.att.net To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: I Wonder? Message-ID: <19980125013240.AAA16008-+AT+-pooka> If you remember, though, in a Tayledras Vale, everyone was affected by the proximity of the Heartstone. That's why the scouts had to dye their hair. So it is possible that people living close to the Heartstone in Haven (and most noticeably within the Palace and surrounding Collegium,) would also have some bleaching. IMHO, that is. elaine ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 20:40:45 -0700 (MST) From: Megan E Steff To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Small braid Message-ID: thanks...it has been a while that i had read storm breaking...i need to reread it and see if that fact is in there. megan On Sat, 24 Jan 1998, Raven Darkblade wrote: > Femmy wrote: > < fantasy world have their own religions and gods. That means I have to > make up all these religions and gods that I don't believe in. And I feel > so guilty about making them up. I know some of you write fantasy also. > Do you feel the way I do, or is it just me?>> > > I've had the same experience. In the end, I've found that doing one of > two things usually works. I either make my fantasy deity mirror my own > God, as I did with the tri-aspected Solaras/Siliel/Seleine. Or, I make > my deity/deities fallible. It usually works for me.. > > Meg wrote: > < name cause i read it awhile ago) With chaos coming back and trying to > put the world back the way it should....it said something along the > lines that the key-line and nodes all disappeared so the world was all > eqaaul again. I think this is drastically going to change things. I > think that the magics might have disappeared to most remote levels > without energy sorces ....what do you all think?>> > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that Elspeth, Darkwind, Tremane, > and Solaris worked out a way to shield the nodes. They did it in order > to kkeep them from acting up when waves hit--but I think the nodes that > were shielded are still there. > The book, btw, was Storm Breaking. I cried. Why? Not sure. > > Zha'hai'allav'a, > Raven Darkblade, > Holy Hand of the Goddess of Elves > > \ > \\ > \%, ,' , ,. > \%\,';/J,";";";;,,. > \%;((`);)));`;;,., > ,`;))((;`,`((;(;;);;,` > ;`((```))`~ ``; );(;));;, > `-+AT+- `(( `), (;;);;;;` > / `) `` /;~ `;;;;;;;);, > / , ` ,/` / (`;;(;;;;, > (o /)_/` / ,);;;`;;;;;`,, > `~` `~` ` ``;, ``;" ';, > `' `' `' > > abbykat-+AT+-hotmail.com > http://www.angelfire.com/ky/Ashke/ > http://dragonlance.justbecause.org/ > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1467 **********************************