MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1473

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) re:newbies
	by Ana Cotton <cousinshirley-+AT+-rocketmail.com>
  2) Re:newbies
	by dprono-+AT+-planet.eon.net
  3) Re:newbies
	by Adrienne Metz <ametz-+AT+-u.arizona.edu>
  4) Re: newbies
	by Clare Fiander <cf-+AT+-leightons.demon.co.uk>
  5) NewbieFest update
	by Kenneth Allen Hyde <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
  6) Re:newbies
	by Stasia <stasia-+AT+-gte.net>
  7) Diana Tregarde books
	by ShdowStker-+AT+-aol.com
  8) Re: newbies
	by ruddk-+AT+-t-online.de (krudd)
  9) Home
	by Karen Chan <kkchan-+AT+-ozemail.com.au>
 10) Re: newbies
	by Brika Steinberg <bsteinbe-+AT+-chat.carleton.ca>
 11) Re: Home
	by Owlie-+AT+-postoffice.worldnet.att.net
 12) I'm back - finally!
	by "Mark Severson" <markttz-+AT+-eoni.com>
 13) Re: Diana Tregarde books
	by Dave <jotsix-+AT+-aristotle.net>
 14) Re: I'm back - finally!
	by Clare Fiander <cf-+AT+-leightons.demon.co.uk>
 15) Re: I'm back - finally!
	by Stasia <stasia-+AT+-gte.net>
 16) Re: I'm back - finally!
	by Femmy Syahrani <femmy-+AT+-melsa.net.id>

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:45:01 -0800 (PST)
From: Ana Cotton <cousinshirley-+AT+-rocketmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: re:newbies
Message-ID: <19980130194501.16714.rocketmail-+AT+-web1.rocketmail.com>

Adrienne said:
>Hey, I announced myself and never got greeted!  *slight pout (grin
>and wink)*>>>
Welcome to the madness, then, lovie. I think the drinks are in the
fridge over there, and there are snacks in the pantry.
Having just recently come back myself, and being incredibly
disorganised in mind, Heyla to all who are here. And yes, I have
read the info...uh, could somebody please tell me what I was going
to say? I forgot. This is a regular occurance, and I think it must
have to do with lack of sleep.
===
Hugs, Ana, who is really feeling kinda embarrassed and bewildered
right now. Secretary, general dogsbody et al. Life, the Universe and
Everything, by Douglas Adams--read it!  Also, watch Buffy: the
Vampire Slayer. Keeper of the GASP radio.
'I like my stupid life, just the way it is.. And I wouldn't even
change it for: a thousand flying pigs'-- Boingo
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Date: 	Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:33:34 -0800
From: dprono-+AT+-planet.eon.net
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re:newbies
Message-ID: <34D2553E.9BF-+AT+-planet.eon.net>

Adrienne said:
>Hey, I announced myself and never got greeted!  *slight pout (grin
>and wink)*>>>

	Just feeling slightly left out on the newbie 'hellos'. Soooo...
*creeps up behind Adrienne and dumps a bucket of salt water over her 
head.*	
	It's good for the hair. ;)

OBMisty: As for SG, I found it slightly below what I expected from 
Misty-just IMOSHO. i thopught that she was grasping at straws when she 
wrote it and he really couldnt decide what else to do. Just IMNSHO. I do 
know many people who have labled it their fav. Misty book. Anyone who 
cant read all the abbrvs. there is a list of 'em somewhere, so just go 
bug one of the nice pounce-happy people with the Councillor (sp?) under 
their names, and I'm sure that they'll direct you to an abbrv site with a 
minimum of attacks. ;) <VBG> (yea Gods!! Another!) 

	NOT so OBMisty: To the Glot Of  Tppyoos, your Foul Curse is Still 
Active!! I have had To POUND on mine Keyboard to write this!! Ask 
whatever you WISH as a Sacrifice! I am desperate for relief as Mine 
fingers are raw and they takeith their agony out on mine fair flesh!! 
<sorry, I couldn't resit>

	Yvonne Shadowshape
	Goddess of Kelpies, Selkies, and the other Water-Borne
	Knight of Fluff



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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:19:00 -0700
From: Adrienne Metz <ametz-+AT+-u.arizona.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re:newbies
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980130151900.006a0338-+AT+-pop.u.arizona.edu>

At 09:39 PM 1/30/98 GMT, you wrote:
>Adrienne said:
>>Hey, I announced myself and never got greeted!  *slight pout (grin
>>and wink)*>>>
>
>	Just feeling slightly left out on the newbie 'hellos'. Soooo...
>*creeps up behind Adrienne and dumps a bucket of salt water over her 
>head.*	
>	It's good for the hair. ;)
>

Well, look now what I've got myself into.  All these pounces, I can hardly stand up!  (Just don't tickle!)  And now I'm all wet!  Oh, well.

As for SG, I've decided to put it away for awhile.  My time is favoring something shorter, so I'm working through the short stories in _Swords of Ice_ I never did read.  Next I'll tackle the Storms trilogy.  It sounds really interesting from what I've read here.

Off I go to dry off :)

Adrienne
ametz-+AT+-u.arizona.edu
*********************
no way construction of this tricky plan
was built by other than a greater hand
with a love that passes all our understanding
watching closely over the journey
"the wood song" -- indigo girls

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:24:30 +0000
From: Clare Fiander <cf-+AT+-leightons.demon.co.uk>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: newbies
Message-ID: <GOoDdGAOUk00IwRI-+AT+-leightons.demon.co.uk>

I'm a newbie! My name's Clare, but I use Rainbow for all clubs so call
me Rainbow PLEASE!!!
What are you talking about at the moment? I'm reading Magic's Price at
the moment *sneaks a quick page* and I'm half way through Storm Breaking
and Storm Warning (I'm not to good with orders...)
Could someone explain how in the Mage Storm books they're looking at
Urtho's tower when it got blown up and formed the Dhorisha Plains???? 
-- 
Rainbow

:And that's enough study for one night. Both of you to bed:

Again the mental laughter :Why, Savil-:

:To *SLEEP* dammit!:

Tylendel nudged the other boy, and closed the book, then looked across the
room at his mentor with the ironic half-smile she knew so well. 
"Lets pack it up for the night, Van" he said quietly-
-and :of course, teacher. To sleep,: she Mindheard

Then, as they disappered into their room-
:Eventually.:

~Tylendel and Savil
Magic's Pawn

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:54:36 -0500 (EST)
From: Kenneth Allen Hyde <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
To: Misty Lackey List <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>
Subject: NewbieFest update
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980130185154.27389C-100000-+AT+-copland.udel.edu>

Heyla all.

This is just a quick note to announce that the Newbie Fest has been
slightly updated.  I have added a section on the Fan Fic issue, a few
short answers (totally my own, and not representing the list opinion per
se) and comments for the Done to the Death Topics, and restored a rather
large chunk of the newbiefest that was missing (why didn't anyone mention
that most of Part I and some of Part II was missing?).

Anyway, check it out, and let me know what you think.

May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit,

Cennydd
Councilor of Mist

Kenneth Allen Hyde     |  No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife
Univ. of Delaware      |  between the shoulder blades will seriously
Dept. of Linguistics   |  cramp his style  -- Old Jhereg proverb
kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu         |  A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me

//www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/prof/ken.html



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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:00:55 -0500
From: Stasia <stasia-+AT+-gte.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re:newbies
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980130190055.0073226c-+AT+-mail.gte.net>

At 09:39 PM 1/30/98 GMT, you wrote:
>Adrienne said:
>>Hey, I announced myself and never got greeted!  *slight pout (grin
>>and wink)*>>>
>
>	Just feeling slightly left out on the newbie 'hellos'. Soooo...
>*creeps up behind Adrienne and dumps a bucket of salt water over her 
>head.*	
>	It's good for the hair. ;)

After that, maybe I *won't* say that I don't remember being greated as a
newbie when I announced myself back in September either... %^}

ObMisty -- Uh... ummm... Has anyone else had a problem of finding Misty at
UBSes???  I have a local one that I go to all the time, and I have only
found 2 Misty books there in the year and a half I have been frequenting
the place.  Is this something common to all areas, or am I just unlucky
enough to live in a Lackey-less UBS area???

Amber

_________________________________________________________________
As I stepped out into the bright sunlight, I had two things on my mind;
Paul Newman and a ride home.

		-- The Outsiders, SE Hinton

Nature's First Green is Gold,
Her Hardest Hue to hold,
Her Early Leaf's a flower,
But Only so an Hour,
Then Leaf Subsides to Leaf,
So Eden Sank to Grief,
So Dawn Goes Down to Day,
Nothing Gold Can Stay.

	-- Robert Frost

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:46:31 EST
From: ShdowStker-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Diana Tregarde books
Message-ID: <c2aad887.34d26659-+AT+-aol.com>

Heyla Listsibs.
	I know that a lot of you are probably going to think that is a rehash
::Looking out of the corner of his eyes to deflect any thrown objects.::  In a
sense it is just a different view point.
	I read the Last Straw essay about two months ago, and really wanted to read
the three books to see what had all those people in an uproar about them. 
	I just finished with them and loved ever minute of it.  And I got to
thinking, which the doctors tell me is dangerous, why did these books not
sell?  At first I thought it was because that they were not believable enough.
Then I thought if people can believe in telepathic white horses this was
nothing.  Then it came to me maybe the reason that these freaks came out in
the first place and why it they did sell is because they bit a little to close
to reality to be believable, if that makes any sense to anyone.  Maybe the
reason it was not a good selling book was because it was to real to many
people instead of being fiction.  At the end of the third, although knowing
this going into them, was kinda of unhappy that she is not going to continue
in that universe.  The last book nearly screamed "SEQUEL"  at the end.  Oh
well I guess we always have Valgarth right?
	I will now return to lurkdom and cease my senseless rambling to the relief of
on and all.

			Shadow Stalker.

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 01:48:28 +0100
From: ruddk-+AT+-t-online.de (krudd)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: newbies
Message-ID: <34D274DC.2A245167-+AT+-t-online.de>

It is possible maybe that the force of the final strike was directed
more outward and away from Urtho's tower, with the center less intense.
One must assume, from descriptions of the height of the cliff walls 
around the Dorisha Plains, that either Urtho's tower was built VERY deep
into the ground or that the place where Urtho's tower was located was
naturally much lower than the surrounding land to begin with.  The above
ground structure was essentially melted, while the below ground section
was shielded from most of the energy by the ground itself.  This is only
an hypothesis.

Kris



Clare Fiander wrote:
> 
> I'm a newbie! My name's Clare, but I use Rainbow for all clubs so call
> me Rainbow PLEASE!!!
> What are you talking about at the moment? I'm reading Magic's Price at
> the moment *sneaks a quick page* and I'm half way through Storm Breaking
> and Storm Warning (I'm not to good with orders...)
> Could someone explain how in the Mage Storm books they're looking at
> Urtho's tower when it got blown up and formed the Dhorisha Plains????
> --
> Rainbow
> 
>

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:49:40 +1100
From: Karen Chan <kkchan-+AT+-ozemail.com.au>
To: Mercedes Lackey list <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Home
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980131124936.00e03d14-+AT+-ozemail.com.au>

31st January, 1998. 12:49 p.m.

This thought was inspired by someone asking about Anne McCaffrey's house:

Where does Misty live?

Karen.

==================================================================
Karen Chan	kkchan-+AT+-ozemail.com.au	kkc02-+AT+-wumpus.uow.edu.au

"...in the pages of this book, you and I will meet one-on-one,
my mind and yours, and you will enter a world of my making and
dwell there, not as a character that I control, but as a person
with a mind of your own. You will make of my story what you need
it to be, if you can. I hope my tale is true enough and flexible
enough that you can make it into a world worth living in."

Orson Scott Card, 29th March, 1991.
"Speaker for the Dead", p. xxiv
==================================================================

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:05:27 -0500
From: Brika Steinberg <bsteinbe-+AT+-chat.carleton.ca>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: newbies
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980130210525.0068c628-+AT+-chat.carleton.ca>

Can't remember exactly where, but don't they say somewhere in Storm
Breaking that the tower originally survived because Urtho's shields on it
were so strong?

Brika.

At 01:14 AM 31/01/98 GMT, Kris wrote:
>It is possible maybe that the force of the final strike was directed
>more outward and away from Urtho's tower, with the center less intense.

<---------------------------------+"Pay heed to the sun, 
bsteinbe-+AT+-chat.carleton.ca         | but watch your feet,
http://chat.carleton.ca/~bsteinbe | or you'll fall 
----------------------------------+ ingloriously on your nose."

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:21:39 +0000
From: Owlie-+AT+-postoffice.worldnet.att.net
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Home
Message-ID: <19980131032447.AAA28281-+AT+-pooka>


Misty lives in Oklahoma, somewhere in the area
of Tulsa, I believe.

   From descriptions of the house, it is a one of
a kind.  Apparently, some contractor thought that
since he had land in "Dorothy/Wizard of Oz" area
of the country, he would make a lot of money by building
indestructable houses --- houses that wouldn't
blow away in a tornado, that is.   So he built a
geodesic dome house.   And then he couldn't sell it. 

   The locals thought he was nuts, and he went out of
business.  An architect later came along and decided
to mask this ugly contraption by building a rather 
large farmhouse over the dome.  He then went on to
build a garage in equal scale so that they would 
match.  

    It stood empty for a long time.  Then Misty and
Larry saw it, and figured it was unique enough for 
them to move into.  There is a lot of space in between
the geo wall and the house frame, so they have a lot
of space for the birds to fly about indoors.  That's
how it got the name The Aerie.  There are a lot of 
interesting stories about that house.  


    In regard to the Diana Tregarde books, apparently,
before the whole thing got out of hand, Misty had
been planning to write a book called Triangle Park, which
was supposed to connect Diana with Tannim from the SERRAted
Edge books.   As Tannim is one of favorite characters, it
would have been nice to see more books that included him.



     elaine


           

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:37:13 -0600
From: "Mark Severson" <markttz-+AT+-eoni.com>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: I'm back - finally!
Message-ID: <000501bd2df9$87acd740$866cb4cd-+AT+-markttz.eonet.com>

Hello all,

   Tax zombie here,  FINALLY got back on the list!  Thanks auntie Mel,
I tried again and here I be.   Changing providers has been a real 
nightmare but I didn't have an option.  I'll go back to lurking here until
I figure out what all is being discussed. BTW for you Pern fans out
there I heartily recommend Master Harper of Pern.
Time to run.  Take care all.


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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 03:16:06 -0600
From: Dave <jotsix-+AT+-aristotle.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Diana Tregarde books
Message-ID: <34D2EB27.851-+AT+-aristotle.net>

ShdowStker-+AT+-aol.com wrote:

> nothing.  Then it came to me maybe the reason that these freaks came out in
> the first place and why it they did sell is because they bit a little to close

Well one thing that didn't help their sales was that the got listed as
"horror"  Burning Water and Children of the Night were both in the
"horror" section at my bookstore and Children of the Night actullay has
"horror" on the spine where you'd normally find "fantasy" on one of
Misty's books.  I'd love to see more of them myself.  As much as I've
enjoyed all the books from the Valdemar universe, I'm a bit weary of
them. (Don't throw things please)  I mean we are up to twenty books now,
though Owlflight was better than the last couple of Storm/Gryphon books.


David Mc

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 10:52:09 +0000
From: Clare Fiander <cf-+AT+-leightons.demon.co.uk>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: I'm back - finally!
Message-ID: <YqNEELAZJw00Iwx4-+AT+-leightons.demon.co.uk>

>BTW for you Pern fans out
>there I heartily recommend Master Harper of Pern.
Anyone know a Pern list? I really like Dragonflight and Dragondrums...

Can SOMEONE tell me what the abreviations mean?

I liked the Silver Gryphon, but I prefered Drake when he was
younger...and Blade was OK, I liked the White Gryphon...

What do you think of the ending of TLHM trilogy? I think it's a bit flat
personally...I like the idea of the guardian of the forest, but it's
wierd, I think Van should have been re-incarnated with all his powers,
any way couldn't Jissa have taught some people? ALL HM couldn't have
been killed - could they? Couldn't Meke and co. produce another HM?
>

________________________________________________________________________
Rainbow

'And still the forest of the North guards Valdemar from harm-
For Vanyel's dying curse is stronger far than mortal arm.
And every year the Chosen come, despite the old advice-
"All those who would be Magic's Pride must then pay Magic's Price" '
 
~Magic's Price Written by Stefen
Magic's Price

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 07:23:19 -0500
From: Stasia <stasia-+AT+-gte.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: I'm back - finally!
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980131072319.007387f8-+AT+-mail.gte.net>

At 11:08 AM 1/31/98 GMT, you wrote:
>>BTW for you Pern fans out
>>there I heartily recommend Master Harper of Pern.
>Anyone know a Pern list? I really like Dragonflight and Dragondrums...
>
>Can SOMEONE tell me what the abreviations mean?

BTW is By the Way

What other abbreviations were throwing you off?  Someone was kind enough to
post a whole list of common abbreviations to me not too long ago, and as
I'm a packrat and never delete mail, I can send them to you off <or if
there is enough interest from others> on list, if you'd like.



>What do you think of the ending of TLHM trilogy? I think it's a bit flat
>personally...I like the idea of the guardian of the forest, but it's
>wierd, I think Van should have been re-incarnated with all his powers,
>any way couldn't Jissa have taught some people? ALL HM couldn't have
>been killed - could they? Couldn't Meke and co. produce another HM?

I personally liked the ending... had me crying every time I read it.  It
gave reason for the Valdemar without magic that she had already written
about in the Arrows series.  

Insofar as Jisa teaching others, etc... Jisa was not mage gifted, so she
would not be able to "see" if others were the way a mage gifted person
would.  She didn't have that kind of training, so she wouldn't be able to
train others in their gifts.  <The type of training Van gave her was for
her Empathy, which they both shared, not mage training>  

All the Herald Mages were killed <That's why Van was the Last Herald Mage,
after all!  %^}>.  I think there probably were a lot of Mage gifted youths
that became Heralds, but when they were trained, they were trained in their
other gifts instead or as though their gifts were either farsight or
another communication gift <I think that's what I remember reading
somewhere, anyway>  And, since there was no one to recognize and no one to
train them, the mage gift became known as "old magic" which didn't exist
anymore.

And it wasn't like someone from outside of Valdemar that was mage gifted
and good intentioned could come in, become a Herald and find and teach the
others.  The protections Van put up around the borders prevented that.

At least, that's the way I see it all!

Amber

__________________________________________________________________
As I stepped out into the bright sunlight, I had two things on my mind;
Paul Newman and a ride home.

		-- The Outsiders, SE Hinton

Nature's First Green is Gold,
Her Hardest Hue to hold,
Her Early Leaf's a flower,
But Only so an Hour,
Then Leaf Subsides to Leaf,
So Eden Sank to Grief,
So Dawn Goes Down to Day,
Nothing Gold Can Stay.

	-- Robert Frost

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 23:47:32 +0700
From: Femmy Syahrani <femmy-+AT+-melsa.net.id>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: I'm back - finally!
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980131234732.0068ff50-+AT+-mail.melsa.net.id>

Amber:
>All the Herald Mages were killed <That's why Van was the Last Herald Mage,
>after all!  %^}>.  I think there probably were a lot of Mage gifted youths
>that became Heralds, but when they were trained, they were trained in their
>other gifts instead or as though their gifts were either farsight or
>another communication gift <I think that's what I remember reading
>somewhere, anyway>

I thought I read that too ... somewhere ... But, if there were a lot of
Mage-gifted Heralds, then why Elspeth is so special? I can't remember, but
was she the first Herald-Mage after Vanyel's time, so that she had to get
trained and she had a grove-born Companion?

Femmy

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