MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1477 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Geneticts delay by Elizabeth Hoffman 2) Re: Geneticts delay by Danielle May Marrone 3) Re: newbie (and a pitiful attempt at a braid) by Kenneth Allen Hyde 4) braid (mccaffrey) by Niki Nibbe 5) fluff, and more miscellany by Ana Cotton 6) New discussion idea - Mage creatures.... by Clare Fiander 7) Re: Braid by Clare Fiander 8) Re: Braid by Cristilyn Lawton 9) Heyla and various stuff by "Andi WindDancer" 10) kestra'cherns and knots by AERDEN-+AT+-delphi.com 11) braid (mccaffrey) by AERDEN-+AT+-delphi.com 12) Braid: genetics, heartstones, thanx & a question by "Ailsa n'ha Winifreyda" 13) Re: Braid: van and 'lendel and stef by Adrienne Metz 14) Jisa and Trevan by Adrienne Metz 15) Monarch's Own Companion Choosing by Sheridan Hoy 16) Re: Braid: genetics, heartstones, thanx & a question by Shadowdancer 17) Re: Jisa and Trevan by "Rogue Phoenix k'Valdemar" 18) Re: Jisa and Trevan by bookluvr-+AT+-prairie.lakes.com 19) Re: Braid by Dave 20) Re: Geneticts delay by Dave 21) Geneticts delay by Skandranon-+AT+-aol.com 22) RE: Geneticts delay by "Eleonora Scoseria" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 16:46:02 +0000 (GMT) From: Elizabeth Hoffman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Geneticts delay Message-ID: Hi , Slight delay on gathering laymen's understandable genetics. I've got my 1st postgrad conference to do on Tuesday so I'm in panic mode now. I'll start on the cooking analogy after that, it'll take me between 1 day and a week. Am I right in remembering that everybody is supposed to have a touch of mind speach, just not enough to be noticeable with most people? ---------------------- Elizabeth Hoffman E.G.Hoffman-+AT+-soton.ac.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:12:26 -0500 (EST) From: Danielle May Marrone To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Geneticts delay Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Feb 1998, Elizabeth Hoffman wrote: > Am I right in remembering that everybody is supposed > to have a touch of mind speach, just not enough to be > noticeable with most people? Everybody in general, or just the Heralds and the Talaydras? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:47:07 -0500 (EST) From: Kenneth Allen Hyde To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: newbie (and a pitiful attempt at a braid) Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Feb 1998, Niki Nibbe wrote: > So glad to find you all. When I first happened upon this listing, I was > afraid I wouldn't be able to join in -- my sieve-like brain insists on > forgetting details from books I've read a mere 3 or 4 times (you know, > little details like characters and plots). Aha! That is why some of us (our detractors might suggest "the ones with no lives") keep copies of the entire Misty oeuvre on a convenient bookshelf. That way, they are always handy for that bit of textevd that amazes and delights the list. =) > Hmm. Never really considered it; I thought of their time as cumulative, > since they're essentially the same person. As far as Lendel vs. Stef, > alive and under their own names, they seem close to the same. I don't know about how long Van and Stef were together vs. 'Lendel and Van, but Kory once figured that Stef was left alive and single for three times the amount of time that Van spent single after 'Lendel's death. This was pointed out as an example of the "Threefold rule" that is common in Wicca and other neo-pagan traditions (the evil and good that you do returns to you in threefold amount). Just thinking about (and, despite what I said above, I don't have my books here in the lab), I think that Van and 'Lendel had less than a year together, and I think that Van and Stef had more than a year. But I'm not sure what the actual amounts of time were. Re: my comment about the Savil/Sayvil thing: > A shot in the dark here, but my guess is there was a discussion over > this "possibility" but that it's really a moot point, since Misty wasn't > exactly subtle about this comparison. Perhaps our estimable counselor > was hoping to avoid a rehash of the whole thing?? Exactly! =) The Mage huggles the lovely new addition to our madcap band of Misty fans. Not only is she charming, but she is perceptive and possessed of a subtle mind. I'm sure we shall get on famously. =) Oh, and someone mentioned wondering about the difference between "gryphons" and "griffons." AFAIK, these are just spelling variants and alternate with "gryfon" and a few others in various texts. The only major variant beasts for gryphons are hippogriffs and gyrfalcons. The former is part horse and, depending on the source, it may be half eagle and half horse, or it may also have a few lion parts added (the classic hippogriff has a lion's tail, IIRC). The gyrfalcon is a classical griffon with a falcon, rather than an eagle for the avian half. These, btw, are the classic forms of heraldry and were also the forms most commonly shown in bestiaries, etc. There may have been more fanciful version (there probably were), but I can't think of any off hand and my copy of Fox-Davies is at home. Oh, and as far as the bondbirds go, Nightdancer is the person who used to hand them out, but she seems to have disappeared from the list. And even if she is just lurking there is nothing to keep you from having a "foundling" bird. After all, I understand that many bondbirds are found in the woods and simply trained up. =) Of course, if Nightdancer is around and contacts you, you could always register your bondbird with an eye to establishing the bloodline. May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd Councilor of Mist Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me //www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/prof/ken.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 10:48:40 -0800 From: Niki Nibbe To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: braid (mccaffrey) Message-ID: <34D76688.4080-+AT+-earthlink.net> On 2/3 Rainbow asked: is there an Anne McCaffrey mailing list anywhere? I have no answer, but if anybody out there knows, PLEEESE share. =) (Thanks, listsibs, I'm already feeling welcome. Waterproof sheep to all in rainy climes, with big, soft, warm sheep to those of you in the middle of real winter. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:51:35 -0800 (PST) From: Ana Cotton To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: fluff, and more miscellany Message-ID: <19980203195135.23557.rocketmail-+AT+-web4.rocketmail.com> Rainbow wrote: >(I KNOW there is one, outside the realms of Misty >there ARE other books with gryphons in and others with >griffins in...)..>>>>> Well, a gryphon is a lion crossed with a raptor of some sort. And aa Griffen is a young Herald who has the gift of Firestarting. I don't know what a griffin is though-I think it may actually be the same as a gryphon-just a diff spelling... ---------------------------------------------- Wind to thy wings, Niki> Welcome Niki! Braiding can be fun.... === Hugs, Ana, Secretary, general dogsbody et al. Life, the Universe and Everything, by Douglas Adams--read it! Also, watch Buffy: the Vampire Slayer. Keeper of the GASP radio. 'I like my stupid life, just the way it is.. And I wouldn't even change it for: a thousand flying pigs'-- Boingo http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/6573 _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free -+AT+-yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 19:37:43 +0000 From: Clare Fiander To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: New discussion idea - Mage creatures.... Message-ID: > [to save his hertasi friend some labor], Just to say - the hertasi is Gestern, anyone notice how that crops up later in (I THINK) Storm Breaking with Leam (the Kyree's helper, his secretary) he mentions it, a bit (don't own it so can't back up with (is this the right abrev.?) textevd) I'll just start a new discussion (well why not?) What do you think of Kyree, Wysra, Hertasi, and other Mage created creatures, like the Maakar, (any one remember Kili?)??? Was Urtho a Sorcerer-adept? An'desha mentions Ma'ar being one. Should Gryphons have been created? Was Urtho right about keeping the fertility spell secret? (In Skan's case that was a good idea...especially the cold bit....) Oh yes WHAT DOES ADEPT mean? very good at using something or what??? ________________________________________________________________________ Rainbow 'And still the forest of the North guards Valdemar from harm- For Vanyel's dying curse is stronger far than mortal arm. And every year the Chosen come, despite the old advice- "All those who would be Magic's Pride must then pay Magic's Price" ' ~Magic's Price Written by Stefen Magic's Price ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 16:50:43 +0000 From: Clare Fiander To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Braid Message-ID: <4OCM9AAjr010Iw$W-+AT+-leightons.demon.co.uk> >IIRC, it was a girl, and her name was Arven, Uh, what does IIRC mean please??? SEND ME AN Abreviation sheet..., better yet put it on the newbiefest.... Oh and MP could be ANY of TLHM books, I use Mpawn Mpromise Mprice.... ________________________________________________________________________ Rainbow 'And still the forest of the North guards Valdemar from harm- For Vanyel's dying curse is stronger far than mortal arm. And every year the Chosen come, despite the old advice- "All those who would be Magic's Pride must then pay Magic's Price" ' ~Magic's Price Written by Stefen Magic's Price ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 16:47:24 -0500 From: Cristilyn Lawton To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Braid Message-ID: <34D7825C.4548-+AT+-mindspring.com> Clare Fiander wrote: > > >IIRC, it was a girl, and her name was Arven, > > Uh, what does IIRC mean please??? SEND ME AN Abreviation sheet..., > better yet put it on the newbiefest.... > Oh and MP could be ANY of TLHM books, I use > Mpawn > Mpromise > Mprice.... Oops, I meant Mprice. And IIRC means If I Remember Correctly. Herald Darla ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 14:06:27 PST From: "Andi WindDancer" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Heyla and various stuff Message-ID: <19980203220628.15407.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Heyla guys! AGGGGGGGKKKK!! Boy is it daunting to come home to 57 new messages...I do love you guys, just with everything else it's toooooo much!!!! :) Um, I've heard (read?) people talking about reccomending books, and I have a small request. If you reccomend books, do you mind listing the first book in the series? I like to read books in order so I understand. That is basically why I have never read Andre Norton, I can't figure out where any of her series starts!!!! I just recently went to our local library and took every pern book and figured out what the order was. If I could have known earlier, I would have found that wonderful (at least i think so) world years before I did!!! Anyway, just a suggestion... :) >>Just a thought, but does anyone know if the amount of time Van and Lendel had together is in any way, shape or form the same amount of time Van and Stef had together?>> Ummm... It sounds to me like their total living time was about the same length (not counting the spirit time--even if Stef and Lendel are the same, which I personally believe lets not start that now, though.. ) GEE! guess i'll *have* to stop doing schoolwork and go back and look that up! because, you know, it just wouldnt *do* not to know such an interesting answer!!! (can you tell I've been working tooooo long?) :) Um, yeah. I WAS a newbie not long ago (i may still be one, i havent checked ) and I was never pounced... uh oh, maybe I should have kept my big mouth shut!!! ::runs off and hides in corner:: (c: he he! I am really enjoying all the tags people are putting on their messages... I have a huge list now, though I dont know how Skywolf's looks :)... Thanks a bunch! They're really funny!!! Keep 'em coming, at least for li'l' ol' me? :) Hey, does anyone know if there can be one-eyed firecats? If so, i think I found one. She told us her name was Winky... Can I keep her? Pleeeeeeseee? Sje ;oles tp sot pm tjejas;lejr;j;aej;j She loves to sit on the keyboard... I think that's a sure sign! Anyway, if the resident firecat authority could let me know if I can keep her... thanks. :) Ummm... Well, I would be interested on the genetic discussion, but I dont know how much that means, I'm just an overworked high school senior enrolled in the IB program (run for your life!!!) who's brain capacity is drastically shrinking. I'm having a hard time remembering anything anymore, so please forgive me if I blunder. Now, who is this mailing list about....? (c: Anyway, here some Tags for all you silly peoples out there (and for all you not silly peoples: You really should try silliness. it's fun. :) ) Many Chocolate covered household objects for everybody! Just watch out for the chocolate covered knives!!!!!! Just because theyre not edible, doesn't mean they're not sharp! Andi (soon to hopefully be Alana if I ever get my thing mailed to QO...) "Look, would it save you a lot of time if I just gave up and went mad now?" - Arthur Dent in The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy Red meat isn't bad for you... fuzzy blue-green meat is. Everyone is gifted. Some just open their packages sooner! MilliHelen, n: Amount of beauty required to launch a single ship. Cat washing IS a martial art. Member: International Brotherhood of Tagline Thieves! Go get the bard off the floor. We've got some killing to do. \\|// \\|// \\|// Time to mow the tagline \\|// \\|// With a .GIF-.GIF here and a .GIF-.GIF there, here a .GIF, there a .GIF I'm a nobody, nobody is perfect, therefore I'm perfect. Sleep: A poor substitute for caffeine. ... Cogito, ergo Hormel (I think, therefore I Spam) You can tune a piano but you can't tuna fish "A car tried to occupy the same spacetime as mine." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Nature is not mute. It eternally repeats the same notes which reach us from afar, muffeled, with neither harmony or melody...It is up to us to strike the chords, to write the score, to bring forth the symphony, to give the sounds a form that, without us, they would not have. -Francois Jacob "The Statue Within" Rosencrantz: Because even though the four points of the compass There is only one direction And time is it's only measure... -Tom Stoppard "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 19:11:13 -0500 (EST) From: AERDEN-+AT+-delphi.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: kestra'cherns and knots Message-ID: <01IT5JYK6UOK94IPZA-+AT+-delphi.com> On 3-FEB-1998 03:12:20.9 mercedes-lackey said to AERDEN me>Brika wanted to know why kestracherns learn to tie knots. Some people me>suggested therapeutic and/or kinky reasons. me>I don't recall much textevd for those, but remember, in _The Black me>Gryphon_, Amberdrake was talking about tying elaborate knots and me>preparing ornate decorations. I figure it's possible that the kestra-cherns might do macrame, or even need knots for sailing. If nothing else, you can definitely make macrame clothing. Chantal ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 19:11:19 -0500 (EST) From: AERDEN-+AT+-delphi.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: braid (mccaffrey) Message-ID: <01IT5JYOKNOA94IPZA-+AT+-delphi.com> On 3-FEB-1998 14:06:54.5 mercedes-lackey said to AERDEN me>On 2/3 Rainbow asked: is there an Anne McCaffrey mailing list anywhere? me>I have no answer, but if anybody out there knows, PLEEESE share. =) me>(Thanks, listsibs, I'm already feeling welcome. Waterproof sheep to all me>in rainy climes, with big, soft, warm sheep to those of you in the me>middle of real winter. As far as I know, there isn't a mailing list specifically devoted to 'Anne McCaffrey's works' the way this one is. However, StarRise Weyr, a Pern club, does have a mailing list that is open to non-members. We do discuss books that aren't about Pern on this list, but it isn't a 'literary' list per se. If you're interested in joining, let me know in private email, and I'll send you the subscription instructions. Chantal/Healer Aerden of StarRise Weyr ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 10:37:55 From: "Ailsa n'ha Winifreyda" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Braid: genetics, heartstones, thanx & a question Message-ID: <3.0.2.16.19980204103755.348f174c-+AT+-bilbo.cc.flinders.edu.au> Dear listsibs, I would love to discuss the genetics of mage gifts on the list - I have only a rudimentary knowledge soo.. mainly I will listen and learn ....... Heartstones are used by mages (mainly adepts) etc so they do not explode hence the mages go grey or silver (wish we had 'em here I'd like to be grey all over instead of the piecemeal affect I have now - not to mention being able to work magic - way cool!) My thanks to you lovely listsibs who recommended Chicks in Chainmail and Did you say, CHICKS? I had a lovely read and chuckle including the great dedication to Lucy Lawless in DYS,C? Mind you I have just found out that she is marrying her producer so I am devastated!!! My heart is broken! I also read Lynn Flewellyn's novels - also a great read! But I have to buy another bookcase cos you folk keep giving me so many ideas - and I have to own 'em cos I keep on re-reading them. How about you ... do you tend to own or borrow? Question: Was Van aware after he went to the Forest of Shadows that Stef & 'Lendel were one in the same? May you all be blessed by which ever deity you follow, Hugz Warm regards, Aili & Zika (my virtual bondbird - goshawk) Herald-healer, Dragon-friend, Renunciate, Trekkie & Xenite Member of the Council of Mist ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 18:56:54 -0700 From: Adrienne Metz To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Braid: van and 'lendel and stef Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980203185654.006bd658-+AT+-pop.u.arizona.edu> > > >Question: Was Van aware after he went to the Forest of Shadows that Stef & >'Lendel were one in the same? > > I think he did know. Like everyone else, I don't have the books for the quotes. However, Moonsong (? I don't every remember it either -- but someone posted it) and Savil knew that they were each other. I thought that Savil told Van before she died. Anyway, Van had suspicions, because he was thinking about how he met Stefen when he was about the age 'Lendel was when he died. And he also knew about the choice Heralds get when they die, to go to the havens or to come back. (And he got a third choice.) Van was smart, I'm sure he figured it out. I had some other thoughts, but I don't remember them anymore :( Adrienne ametz-+AT+-u.arizona.edu ********************* no way construction of this tricky plan was built by other than a greater hand with a love that passes all our understanding watching closely over the journey "the wood song" -- indigo girls ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 19:08:13 -0700 From: Adrienne Metz To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Jisa and Trevan Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980203190813.006c1050-+AT+-pop.u.arizona.edu> I'm being a really bbad listmember right now, I'm sorry. But I remembered one thing I wanted to say. Jisa and Trevan(? again- don't remember the name) weren't co-consorts. Like someone else said, Jisa was Monarch's Own. Shevri worked really hard to keep Jisa out of the monarch line -- remember? Again, I don't have the documentation. Adrienne ametz-+AT+-u.arizona.edu ********************* no way construction of this tricky plan was built by other than a greater hand with a love that passes all our understanding watching closely over the journey "the wood song" -- indigo girls ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 16:21:07 +1300 From: Sheridan Hoy To: "'mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk'" Subject: Monarch's Own Companion Choosing Message-ID: <01BD3189.E04A7AE0-+AT+-port24.ts1.auck.sinesurf.co.nz> In the Arrows books when Rolan chose Talia, I remember reading that Teren and Keren were happy that Rolan hadn't chosen them. How could that happen considering that they were already Chosen by other Companions?. If anyone has an explanation then I would love to know. Thanks, Tamlin. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 21:22:55 -0500 From: Shadowdancer To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Braid: genetics, heartstones, thanx & a question Message-ID: Ailsa n'ha Winifreyda Wrote:

>Question: Was Van aware after he went to the Forest of Shadows that Stef &
>'Lendel were one in the same?


Yes, Van knew.  He only realized, and recognized the signs right before he died, Sob :(  Sniff, Sniff!


Right before the final battal started and after Van sent Stef to warn the guard post.

Textevd
"Stef.  Twenty years.'Lendel had died at seventeen.  Van had met Stef when the Bard was seventeen.  There was time enough, between 'Lendel's death and now--Stef was exactly the right age to have been born about that time.

More things sprang to mind.  The Dreamtime encounter with 'Lendel--the things he had said--the way Tayledras treated Stef and the way Savil had taken the Bard under her wing after that--it was all beginning to make a pattern.

The way he called me ashke without ever knowing the word.  No.  Yes.  What other answer is there?  He came back to me, 'Lendel camd back as Stef, somehow--and Savil and the Hawkbrothers knew--
But there was no opportunity to think about this revelation, for the first of Master Dark's forces had just begun to round the bind in the trail, and is was time to put his plans into motion." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 00:02:52 -0500 (EST) From: "Rogue Phoenix k'Valdemar" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Jisa and Trevan Message-ID: *lurking shields decloaking* In reference to the question about Jisa and Trevan, yes, they were co-consorts. Shavri did try to keep Jisa out of the line of succession, but Jisa and Trevan went off and got married. (I believe this was in MPrice that this occurred). In MPromise, Jisa was tested by "Uncle Van" for her gift, and and Yfandes said she'd make Monarch's Own, thus replacing Shavri. Hope this helps clear things up. Rogue Phoenix k'Valdemar ============================================================================ Devouring Time, blunt thou the lion's paws, And make the earth devour her own sweet brood; Pluck the keen teeth from the fierce tiger's jaws, And burn the long-lived phoenix in her blood; Make glad and sorry seasons as thou fleet'st, And do whate'er thou wilt, swift-footed time, To the wide world and all her fading sweets: But I forbid the one most heinous crime-- Oh, carve not with thy hours my love's fair brow Nor draw no lines there with thine antique pen; Him in thy course untainted do allow For beauty's pattern to succeeding men. Yet do thy worst, old Time; despite thy wrong My love shall in my verse ever live young. Shakespeare, Sonnet XIX ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 02:10:39 +0000 From: bookluvr-+AT+-prairie.lakes.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Jisa and Trevan Message-ID: <199802040813.CAA25105-+AT+-Prairie.lakes.com> > In reference to the question about Jisa and Trevan, yes, they were > co-consorts. Shavri did try to keep Jisa out of the line of succession, > but Jisa and Trevan went off and got married. (I believe this was in > MPrice that this occurred). In MPromise, Jisa was tested by "Uncle Van" > for her gift, and and Yfandes said she'd make Monarch's Own, thus > replacing Shavri. > Rogue Phoenix k'Valdemar She was automatically IN THE LINE OF SUCCESSION, not co-consort. Shavri tried to keep Jisa out of the line of succession, and by marrying Taver, Jisa put herself back in. Sheri Sheri Graber Rector roseleaf-+AT+-prairie.lakes.com, bookluvr-+AT+-prairie.lakes.com Fibromyalgia and Chronic Fatigue Resources Site http://prairie.lakes.com/~roseleaf/fibro/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 03:40:59 -0600 From: Dave To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Braid Message-ID: <34D837AB.6FEB-+AT+-aristotle.net> Cristilyn Lawton wrote: > > Vanyel had three children. > > Umm, he had four. You are forgetting the child he sired for a couple of > Lissa's shaych gaurds. IIRC, it was a girl, and her name was Arven, > just a sec, and I'll get texevd. > > MP, pg 227 > > "The others are a mage gifted girl one of the Tayledras has,named > Featherfire, and a girl two of Lissa's retired shaych gaurds are > raising, who has no gifts at all, as far as I can tell." > > Pg 228 > > "...and Arven doesn't even carry potential as far as I was able to > check. That one went right by me....Never even noticed it. Dave Mc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 03:43:57 -0600 From: Dave To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Geneticts delay Message-ID: <34D8385D.39F0-+AT+-aristotle.net> Elizabeth Hoffman wrote: > > Hi , > Slight delay on gathering laymen's understandable > genetics. I've got my 1st postgrad conference to do on > Tuesday so I'm in panic mode now. I'll start on the > cooking analogy after that, it'll take me between 1 day and a > week. Am I right in remembering that everybody is supposed > to have a touch of mind speach, just not enough to be > noticeable with most people? If you mean all the Heralds, then yes. Sort of a pre-requisite for being Chosen. Though I seem to recall one Herald that was almost to weak with it to even comunicate with his companion. Dave Mc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 07:25:39 EST From: Skandranon-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Geneticts delay Message-ID: <614bf60c.34d85e46-+AT+-aol.com> In a message dated 98-02-04 05:17:09 EST, you write: > > > > Hi , > > Slight delay on gathering laymen's understandable > > genetics. I've got my 1st postgrad conference to do on > > Tuesday so I'm in panic mode now. I'll start on the > > cooking analogy after that, it'll take me between 1 day and a > > week. Am I right in remembering that everybody is supposed > > to have a touch of mind speach, just not enough to be > > noticeable with most people? > > If you mean all the Heralds, then yes. Sort of a pre-requisite for > being Chosen. Though I seem to recall one Herald that was almost to > weak with it to even comunicate with his companion. > I believe this could almost just be that MindSpeech may be one of the more common gifts. I think most are just able to communicate with their Companions. And it was Talia who was unable to MindSpeak with Rolan. Her gift was empathy and she was thus only able to communicate via images and emotions. Barb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 11:01:41 -0300 From: "Eleonora Scoseria" To: Subject: RE: Geneticts delay Message-ID: <000001bd3175$eead2060$d33463ce-+AT+-eleonora> >Elizabeth Hoffman wrote: >> Am I right in remembering that everybody is supposed >> to have a touch of mind speach, just not enough to be >> noticeable with most people? Dave replied: >If you mean all the Heralds, then yes. Sort of a pre-requisite for >being Chosen. Though I seem to recall one Herald that was almost to >weak with it to even comunicate with his companion. Hmmm....IIRC Herald Lores had virtually no mindspeech. As for Talia, as Skan has said, she had no mindspeech either. So basically, my impression is the same as Skan's that Heralds had to have some trace of a gift, but not necessarily mindspeech. As for the rest of the world (i.e. "ordinary people"), I don't remember any mentions at all of their having traces of any gift whatsoever. Peace, Ele Councilor of Mist ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1477 **********************************