MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1483

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: Most of the rest of Misty's published stuff
	by Dave <jotsix-+AT+-aristotle.net>
  2) Re:  Most of the rest of Misty's published stuff
	by Ambyrglow-+AT+-aol.com
  3) Listsibs' Locations <the list so far>
	by Stasia <stasia-+AT+-gte.net>
  4) Re: 4&20 BlackBird's
	by Dave <jotsix-+AT+-aristotle.net>
  5) Re: Companions' foreknowledge; MO lover; bibliography
	by Dave <jotsix-+AT+-aristotle.net>
  6) Re: List Friendship Ring
	by SamanthaMS-+AT+-aol.com
  7) Re:Companions
	by "freddiek" <freddiek-+AT+-autobahn.mb.ca>
  8) Braid: Publishing;(OT) book recommendations;free-ish books;Falconsbane
	by Niki Nibbe <madlink4-+AT+-earthlink.net>
  9) 
	by Sheridan Hoy <tamlin-+AT+-sinesurf.co.nz>
 10) Re: List Friendship Ring
	by AERDEN-+AT+-delphi.com
 11) free-ish books
	by SingnWand-+AT+-aol.com
 12) Not ALL about Misty
	by Clare Fiander <cf-+AT+-leightons.demon.co.uk>
 13) Rainbow rambling on about genetics
	by Clare Fiander <cf-+AT+-leightons.demon.co.uk>
 14) Re: Genetics
	by Elizabeth Hoffman <E.G.Hoffman-+AT+-soton.ac.uk>
 15) Listsib's Location List
	by Stasia <stasia-+AT+-gte.net>
 16) Pronunciation/Genetics
	by Deniz Sarikaya <dsarik-+AT+-po-box.mcgill.ca>
 17) Braid: Location, Publication, and more!
	by Carson Grey Bloomberg <cgb5-+AT+-cornell.edu>
 18) Re: Pronunciation
	by Kenneth Allen Hyde <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
 19) Re: Listsib's Location List/Message to Cennydd
	by Stasia <stasia-+AT+-gte.net>
 20) Re: Rainbow rambling on about genetics
	by Flaime13-+AT+-aol.com
 21) question about a book
	by "K.S." <n9582531-+AT+-cc.wwu.edu>

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Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 22:51:43 -0600
From: Dave <jotsix-+AT+-aristotle.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Most of the rest of Misty's published stuff
Message-ID: <34DD39DF.222D-+AT+-aristotle.net>

Niki Nibbe wrote:

> Frost & Fire and Prison of Souls, which I think follow Castle of
> Deception; Elvenbane, which I believe is part of the Serrated Edge
> series; Born to Run, which is definetely SERRAted Edge; and something
> called Rediscovery.  Plus the new ones (Owlflight, and I think another

Okay, Born to Run was the Serrated edge book I couldn't remember, but
Elevenbane it the sequel to Elvenblood, but I don't remember if Misty
had a hand in the second book.  You may be thinking ElvenDude, which is
set in the same universe as the Serrated Edge books, but she had no part
of otherwise (I don't think it even ties in with the other books at all
other than a very brief mention of there being other Elves around
"someplace")

Dave

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Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 23:50:18 EST
From: Ambyrglow-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re:  Most of the rest of Misty's published stuff
Message-ID: <ee5faf62.34dd398c-+AT+-aol.com>

You guys are set to force me out of lurking mode, aren't you? :-).  Ok, on the
books. . .Did anyone mention the stuff in Cat- and Horse- fantastic?  Horse
has the Alberich story in it, and Cat has the stories Scat, Skitty, and I
think one other one (can't remember which Catfantastic they're in, though).
As to Black Swan, Firebird Arts says it's anotehr re-written fairy tale- they
had some more stuff on it, but I forgot.

>>Are these all Tarma and Kethry stories or just stories written by Mercedes
Lackey?
Thanks for the Velgarth list, Niki.  I'm not quite ready to jump into the
other worlds of Misty just yet.<<
All the S&S stories have Tarma and Kethry in them. . .although one doesn't
take place in Velgarth.    Think that's about everything,

^*^Claire
A member of the PWRTWABSSFTHA

"But now old friends are acting strange;
They shake their heads, they say I've changed;
And something's lost, but something's gained;
In living every day" 

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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 00:03:18 -0500
From: Stasia <stasia-+AT+-gte.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Listsibs' Locations <the list so far>
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980208000318.0074ee60-+AT+-mail.gte.net>

I think I've manage to capture everyone's locations and e-mail addresses <I
thought that might make things a little easier as well, so if you see
someone that lives close enough to visit, you can drop a private e-mail to
them>  The list is far from complete, and I'll keep adding to it as long as
I get posts... %^}  I thought everyone would be interested to see what we
have so far <plus, I thought it would be easier than e-mail everyone I
added earlier to let them know they were there... <G> >

Just a little tip to finding yourself <on the *list*, sillies that I know
will have OTHER ideas! %^} >... I've alphabetized the list by, first
country, then province/state, then by city, and, in the cases where there
are more than one person in the same area, by name <Ok, ok, ok... I'll
admit it.... I'm compulsive... But it DOES make things a little easier to
find, doesn't it??? <G> >

Anyway, no more babbling... on with the list...

Susan - Edmonton, Alberta, Canada <mrsread-+AT+-connect.ab.ca>
Yvonne Shadowshape - Edmonton, Alberta, Canada <dprono-+AT+-planet.eon.net>
Brika - Ottawa, Ontario, Canada <bsteinbe-+AT+-chat.carleton.ca>
Rainbow - Cheshire, England <cf-+AT+-leightons.demon.co.uk>
Muranog Shadowbane - London, England <troll-+AT+-netcomuk.co.uk>
Flaime - Flagstaff/Tucson, AZ <Flaime13-+AT+-aol.com>
Adrienne - Tucson, AZ <ametz-+AT+-u.arizona.edu>
Bao - Berkeley, CA (attending UC Berkeley) - myre-+AT+-uclink4.berkeley.edu
Niki- Los Angeles, CA <madlink4-+AT+-earthlink.net>
Samantha - San Ramon CA <SamanthaMS-+AT+-aol.com>
Skywolf (Jennifer Watson) - Santa Barbara, CA
<skywolf-+AT+-washington.sbceo.k12.ca.us>
Amber - St Petersburg, FL <stasia-+AT+-gte.net>
Ka'thryn - West Palm Beach, FL <TesseKatt-+AT+-aol.com>
Pam Newbern - Ewa Beach, HI <Paustinnew-+AT+-aol.com>
Jen - Warren, MI <jkolasa-+AT+-alpha.sienahts.edu>
Ana Cotton - St. Louis, MO <cousinshirley-+AT+-rocketmail.com>
Crystal Hewitt a.k.a. Mysttree - Fuquay-Varina,
NC<mysttree-+AT+-phantomreality.com>
Ari - Commack, NY <dmarrone-+AT+-ic.sunysb.edu>
FrostFalcon - Lagrangeville, NY <frost-+AT+-bestweb.net>
Barb - Rochester, NY <Skandranon-+AT+-aol.com>
Aldric - Columbus, OH <Moiami1-+AT+-aol.com>
Sunhawk--Philadelphia, PA <scully1228-+AT+-hotmail.com>
Shadowdancer - Greenville, SC <smartin-+AT+-ultiweb.com>
Sarah - Sioux Falls, SD <SenayRed-+AT+-aol.com>
Estelle - Apple Valley, MN <estellem-+AT+-worldstop.com>
Andi - Roanoke, Va <dancer_of_wind-+AT+-hotmail.com>
Dre - Madison, WI <arjessup-+AT+-students.wisc.edu>

Anyone that I missed, please e-mail me at stasia-+AT+-gte.net, and I'll be sure
to get you added!  

Amber


_____________________________________________________________________

As I stepped out into the bright sunlight, I had two things on my mind;
Paul Newman and a ride home.

		-- The Outsiders, SE Hinton

Nature's First Green is Gold,
Her Hardest Hue to hold,
Her Early Leaf's a flower,
But Only so an Hour,
Then Leaf Subsides to Leaf,
So Eden Sank to Grief,
So Dawn Goes Down to Day,
Nothing Gold Can Stay.

	-- Robert Frost

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Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 23:01:35 -0600
From: Dave <jotsix-+AT+-aristotle.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: 4&20 BlackBird's
Message-ID: <34DD3C2F.258E-+AT+-aristotle.net>

Ben Schollnick wrote:

>         True, I'm a big Misty fan, especially the Diana Tregade
> series.... I always look to see if there's a new one when I'm in a book

It's a shame she has basiclly stopped writing those.


>         But, the Mage Wars series (<fill in blank> Gryphon), I haven't
> really been too keen on.  Something about it just doesn't "hit" me, as 

I liked Black Gryphon, but the other two needed better plots.  Though
Silver Gryphons was an okay stand alone book, while simitainously
dropping a lot of tidbit data that explains some stuff from earlier
books. 


>         Now, I've heard some disparaging (SP!) comments about OwlFlight,
> which I just started reading.... Wish me luck... >g<

Personally I found it too be a fairly good book.  The only weakness was
IMNSHO that the big climax was more of a little squeak compared to her
other Velgarth works. But then, how many times can you save the same
universe.  Looks like a nice little tidying up job as a stage setter for
some post Mage Storms books.

Dave Mc

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Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 23:07:06 -0600
From: Dave <jotsix-+AT+-aristotle.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Companions' foreknowledge; MO lover; bibliography
Message-ID: <34DD3D7A.3FAE-+AT+-aristotle.net>

Greg Wooledge wrote:

> "Firebird" and "The Fire Rose" are standalone Misty novels.

I had forgotten "The Fire Rose" (which I'd like to see a sequel too, or
a same universe book)

"Firebird" could have remained forgetten.  It is the only Misty book I
know of that I won't bother to buy when/if I see it in paperback.

Dave Mc

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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 01:00:21 EST
From: SamanthaMS-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: List Friendship Ring
Message-ID: <e4fbea2b.34dd49f7-+AT+-aol.com>

in a back corner of the room a young woman looks up from the leather bound
volume resting on her lap. Her eyes drink in the scene before her. She watches
the mage stride in an aura of power surrounds him and when she closes her eyes
she sees a green glow surrounding the silouette of energy which every human
life creates. She sees him approach an unfamiliar woman who arrived a couple
weeks ago. She'd been here for a few months but had gradually withdrawn from
the group, content to sit and listen and watch and think. She sees the shadows
which have begun to slowly creep towards her halt as the mage presents the
lady Niki with a ring which is a small sun of power to her mage sight.
Samantha bard in training

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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 00:41:33 -0000
From: "freddiek" <freddiek-+AT+-autobahn.mb.ca>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re:Companions
Message-ID: <199802080646.AAA26198-+AT+-one.autobahn.mb.ca>



Hey People,
   In my opinion, everyone is trying to simplify the process of being
chosen. Companions are thinking creatures with vastly different
personalities. So why should they all be choosing people for exactly the
same reasons and ways? Companions have been known to have gifts like
magegift and mindhealing, so doesn't it make sense that some Companions
would have foresight and therefore would know who they were going to pick
beforehand. Others might pick just to match their own pursonalities.
Groveborn Companions pick special people who will able to help/control the
monarch. 
    In the case of Vanyel and Taver(?), I don't see why someone couldn't
have two Companions if the situation was necessary. I mean the Companion
bond is similar to lifebonding, and there are such things as Triplebonds.
    Anyway thats my 2 cents.
            Fred
 

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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 00:19:51 -0800
From: Niki Nibbe <madlink4-+AT+-earthlink.net>
To: Mercedes Lackey Discussion <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Braid: Publishing;(OT) book recommendations;free-ish books;Falconsbane
Message-ID: <34DD6AA6.BEF5A631-+AT+-earthlink.net>

Yuck.  I apparently just "performed an illegal operation" and lost my
nice, long braid.  This'll probably be shorter, 'cause I want to go to
bed.

First, thanks for the info on Cat- and Horse-fancy stories.  I'll have
to try to look those up.

Next, I just snuck a peek at my original posting of Velgarth copyright
dates, and saw that I didn't mention I was only doing Velgarth.  So I
guess I have no one to blame but myself for the wonderful deluge of mail
as to those titles which I left out.  This is fun; between us I suspect
we will be able to ferret out everything Misty's ever written.
***
In that vein, here's my two cents (at this rate, I'll soon be broke.)
While we're talking about Misty collaboration/writing in different
worlds, let's not forget C.J. Cherryh's Merovingen Nights series.  While
the first book (Angel With the Sword) was by Cherryh, the subsequent
volumes (Festival Moon; Fever SEason; Troubled Waters; Smuggler's Gold;
Divine Right; Flood Tide; and Endgame -- let me know, someone, if you
know of anything newer) each contain a chapter written by Misty.  FYI,
the way this series works is that it's based on sort of an outline, with
a general story arc determined beforehand; each author writes a
"chapter" that moves the story forward.

Just a few words on this series: I enjoyed it.  I'm completely hooked on
this world and its struggles.  I personally enjoy Cherryh, but her books
get a bit dense sometimes; if anybody tries Angel With the Sword and
feels put off, I recommend reading the second one -- which contains many
different authors.  If you're still not interested, then it's probably
not for you.)

****
I also recommend Marion Zimmer Bradley's Darkover series, for those of
you who haven't discovered her yet.  Free Amazons of Darkover is good;
Misty has a story in it (is this the one you were thinking of, Greg?).
The series spans a large period of time, so it's not absolutely
mandatory to start at the beginning.

There's a website with what purports to be a complete listing of Misty's
stuff; I haven't had time yet to double-check.  Once we exhaust the
topic here, perhaps I'll compare our lists.  I may have gotten the
address from this discussion list, actually.  But here goes:
         http://prairie.lakes.com/~roseleaf/books/index.html#lackey

****
While I'm recommending books, has anybody here read Sarah Zettel's
"Fool's War"?  I really enjoyed it -- anybody have any thoughts on it?

Also, Debra Doyle and James Macdonald's "the Price of Stars" and
"Starpilot's grave"; anybody else read 'em?  I really enjoyed this; of
course, it combines spaceships with magecraft, so it sort of crosses
genres.

Then there's C.J. Cherryh.  I loved her Chanur series (first book being
Pride of Chanur).  It's the book that got me started on all these great
authors.  I recommend that series and her newest one, "Foreigner,"
"Invader," and "Inheritor."  Both series deal with interspecies
relations, and raise really interesting ideas about ... well, you'd have
to read them.  The URL I listed above uses the word "intricate" for one
of Cherryh's books.  It's as good a description as any.

***
Someone mentioned having extra Misty paperbacks.  I've got some extra,
too.  (Of course, in my case it's due to forgetting I already have the
book at home -- see sieve-brain thread from earlier postings -- also,
this is another reason for my list of  owned and must-have books...)
Namely, Winds of Change and Winds of Fate.  They're not pristine, but
they're in pretty good condition.  I don't know how much it would cost
to mail them; if anybody's interested, let me know, and I could at least
check out the postage -- as long as it doesn't cost me (starving
student, you know), they're yours.  Email me privately if you're
interested. (madlink4-+AT+-earthlink.net)

****
<<I KNOW I'm fixated on the topic of FB, but, I haven't read the Winds
trilogy....>>

Um, I recommend reading Winds if you really want to know more about
Falconsbane.  Unlike Leareth in the Magic's series, Falconsbane plays a
not-so-insignificant role throughout Winds, and we even see scenes
through his eyes.  Without reading Winds and Storm, probably a good half
of the discussions going on right now will be confusing, IMHO.  Besides,
it's a good series.  It didn't make me sob like Arrows and Magic's did
(yeah, I'm a sucker for those stories where our hero(ine) is lost and
alone, and wants so much to belong, but is so busy trying to be strong
and make it through that he/she can't let those barriers down to let
anyone in, until the terrible accident/tragedy/diabolical plot twist
occurs, showing him/her how much he/she means to those around
him/her...uh, I wrote this much better in the version that my computer
swallowed.  Of course, this is just the first book; after that, once you
love the hero and he's forged a couple of strong bonds, somebody he
loves dies terribly, and it's back to the Kleenex.)  Anyway, you get my
point.  I did get a bit misty-eyed in the Winds series (no, really, no
pun intended.  really.)  It's got a good storyline, and it really leads
straight into the Storm series.  {See my offer of
books-for-the-price-of-postage above).
(No, I don't judge a book by whether it makes me cry; just pointing out
something I noticed -- finished Arrows again last night; don't tell me
you didn't get a bit choked up the first time you experienced Talia
breaking those arrows, signaling "all is lost, don't attempt rescue.")

(Sheesh - I'm reading over what I just wrote.  Boy do I sound like a
fragile court lady, locked up in a bower, ready to cry at the drop of a
hat.  Really, I'm not normally so thin-skinned.  Misty just hits my soft
spots, I guess.)

Whew, better get to bed. I take no responsibility for anything I've just
written -- it's been a long day, I got thoroughly drenched (not salt
water -- it's raining here, and I had to walk three blocks to my car),
and I'm pretty much just typing whatever pops into my head. So there.

May satin sheep be your pillow, and warm fluffy sheep your blankets.


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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 22:00:05 +1300
From: Sheridan Hoy <tamlin-+AT+-sinesurf.co.nz>
To: "'mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk'" <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Message-ID: <01BD34DC.EE8E6200-+AT+-port50.ts1.auck.sinesurf.co.nz>

RE: Julie Shim MOC

"IMO we need to approach the idea as a special case scenario.  I don't see why companion bondings have to be limited to one only.  Although so far Valdemar has not seen a multiple bonding, this case with of the MO's companion has the potential of existing as a multiple, if there is a need.  Also because companions are a law unto themselves, they can easily "share" a Herald.  Furthermore, isn't it possible for people to have more than one bond ie...companion & lifebond, mother/child bonds, teacher/student bonds..etc?."

I think that Julie has a really good point. Maybe we should look at the case of Keren, Ylsa and Sherril and apply it to this case. After all, lifebond trios can occur, and in the above case would have occurred if not for the death of Ylsa, so maybe this would also be the case if the MOC chose a Herald or Herald trainee.; a bond would be formed sort of like a triangle. Solid and very stable.

Arrows of the Queen: 
"The bond between them (Keren and Sherril) was easily as strong as the one Keren had shared with Ylsa - and had Ylsa lived, they might very well have formed one of the relatively rare, permanent threesomes."

However, I have a feeling that the MOC may attempt to chose someone not already chosen first, because there are not enough Heralds anyway without doubling up, but then the need may be great. Comments please.

Wind to thy Wings,

Tamlin.



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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 01:45:33 -0500 (EST)
From: AERDEN-+AT+-delphi.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: List Friendship Ring
Message-ID: <01ITBIWTTXKY95SJNV-+AT+-delphi.com>

On  8-FEB-1998 01:20:37.5 mercedes-lackey said to AERDEN
Aerden the Healer watches among the gathered people as the Mage of the Green
Silences strides through the Hall of Mist, resplendent in his strange hair
and even stranger clothing.  He has enjoyed listening to and joining in many
interesting conversations with this man, and he looks up to see what the
Mage is about now.

He listens as the Mage presents a lady named Niki with a ring and tells her
what it is for.  The green firelizard on his shoulder croons as the very
Hall fills with an almost palpable presence--the strength, beauty, and joy
of friendship.  it is an almost sacred moment, Aerden thinks, as sacred as
the moment he swore the Healer's Oath.  He wishes it could last forever.
For an endless instant, it seems to.


     Chantal


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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 09:53:45 EST
From: SingnWand-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: free-ish books
Message-ID: <6f3ba2f0.34ddc6fb-+AT+-aol.com>


::::semi-delurk::::::::::::::::::
Sorry for the almost one liner but
I noticed my UBS <used bookstore>
has the Winds trilogy in hardback for
$4.00 each.  <cheaper than paperback>

They've been there for several months
but if someone wants them, I'd be happy
to pick them up and mail them to you.

ObMisty:  I recently picked up
a Cherryh/Lackey co-written book
it is NOT one of the multi author books

<it's currently hiding somewhere in my
needs to be shelved file> but I don't believe
I've seen it mentioned . . . .  
if anyone is interested, I look a little harder
for it   :)

::::running running running off::::

jai

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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 16:34:34 +0000
From: Clare Fiander <cf-+AT+-leightons.demon.co.uk>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Not ALL about Misty
Message-ID: <6knD4AAa6d30IwcV-+AT+-leightons.demon.co.uk>

Does anyone know the full words to the song -

You can run with us,
We have everything we need
Run with us
we are free.

Run with us I see passion in your eyes
ect...........

(Sorry Cennydd...but I want the words, and I don't know who else to ask
but you lot....)

Oh yes...does this mailing list have a Tayledras Clan name by any remote
chance? I'd like to put one on my sig.  If we haven't got one could I
make it up? *goes off to think...k'Mist'ry? k'Animi? k'Velgarth?

(I like k'Mist're personally...) Just to clear something up in my mind -
how DO you pronounce words with ' s in? is it each sylable <sp?> so
would k'Mist're sound like k'Mist'ry? I had the same problem with the
Dragons of Pern names (I mean N'ton and F'lar and F'nor ect...)  
________________________________________________________________________
Rainbow & Stareagle Jarc

'And still the forest of the North guards Valdemar from harm-
For Vanyel's dying curse is stronger far than mortal arm.
And every year the Chosen come, despite the old advice-
"All those who would be Magic's Pride must then pay Magic's Price" '
 
~Magic's Price Written by Stefen
Magic's Price

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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 11:57:42 +0000
From: Clare Fiander <cf-+AT+-leightons.demon.co.uk>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Rainbow rambling on about genetics
Message-ID: <lzVbCBA22Z30Iwfq-+AT+-leightons.demon.co.uk>

Rainbow rambling on about genetics that she doesn't understand at all
(look at my exam marks....)

On the  subject of genetics - OK I'm not totally brilliant at this -
I've just finished the GCSE bit on genetics, inheritance, DNA ect...(am
I the youngest listsib? 15?)
One thing I REALLY don't get is how magic is passed on...
I mean if say 3/4 of Valdemar is 'normal' and 1/4 is Gifted then the
gene for magic MUST be ressesive, but there are varients, so a child of
parents with say firestarting and mindspeech could have fetching. You
CAN'T say that they are one off mutations as a lot of people have
them...
I personally think that they appear from the god/goddess at the time
when they're needed, ie Karal being a channel...

Oh yes WHY can't I find a pic of An'desha with cat eyes?

And why does Darkwind say that the changechildren are less human than
even them? I thought Hawkbrothers were human...

Can people ANSWER these questions - please....  
________________________________________________________________________
Rainbow & Stareagle Jarc

'And still the forest of the North guards Valdemar from harm-
For Vanyel's dying curse is stronger far than mortal arm.
And every year the Chosen come, despite the old advice-
"All those who would be Magic's Pride must then pay Magic's Price" '
 
~Magic's Price Written by Stefen
Magic's Price

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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 17:35:55 +0000
From: Elizabeth Hoffman <E.G.Hoffman-+AT+-soton.ac.uk>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Genetics
Message-ID: <34DDECFB.712B9C-+AT+-soton.ac.uk>

Hi,
Lets see if the new email system works.
I'm supposed to be working right now but em...
Given the description of different sources that mages have access to eg
the hedgewitches that access earth energies by preference and have some
form of instinct through this for where people are (Justyn, Owlflight)
as distinct from the Adept (node) people,  I'm going to suggest that
this range of phenotypes (characteristics) is pretty typical of a
polygenic inheritance.  Its the long convuluted pathway thing, food in
end product out but you can change everything if you alter any of maybe
20 or 30 stages.  If mage (or come to think of it mind gift) were
monogenic (a one gene scenario) you'd expect an on or off thing with no
potential for well... potential.
My vote goes with genes which determine your potential gifts (how
strong) and one major gene which determines if the on/off switch is set
right. So potential is how wide your channels can open if the switch on
is there. 
So Vanyel inherited a lot of potential but being mage blasted open the
on/off switch as wide as it would go so he didn't need the right version
of that gene.  Or possibly that being blasted forced the channels open
further than they might have gone naturally and his real potential was
much lower.
Does this make sense, I haven't had time to do the cooking analogy, will
do it on Wednesday. 
Any other UK people around?  I'm in Southampton.
Bye
Liz Hoffman

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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 13:15:09 -0500
From: Stasia <stasia-+AT+-gte.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Listsib's Location List
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980208131509.00758eb4-+AT+-mail.gte.net>

It has come to my attention, oh great Councillor, that I do not have you
yet added to my list. I do know that you are at UoD, but, sad to say, I
don't know <other than its in Delaware> exactly where you are located.
Could you please help me with this small quandry, as I am having many
requests of "You don't have our wonderful councollor on the list yet!
What's wrong with you! %^}"  <Of course, our listsibs are not quite so
inconsiderate in their resposnses, but they ARE wondering!  %^}>

So far on the list, so good... 

Amber



_____________________________________________________________________

As I stepped out into the bright sunlight, I had two things on my mind;
Paul Newman and a ride home.

		-- The Outsiders, SE Hinton

Nature's First Green is Gold,
Her Hardest Hue to hold,
Her Early Leaf's a flower,
But Only so an Hour,
Then Leaf Subsides to Leaf,
So Eden Sank to Grief,
So Dawn Goes Down to Day,
Nothing Gold Can Stay.

	-- Robert Frost

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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 14:24:46 -0500
From: Deniz Sarikaya <dsarik-+AT+-po-box.mcgill.ca>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Pronunciation/Genetics
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980208142446.00855100-+AT+-openface.ca>

Wow, this is too good to be true... more subjects I love are popping out of
the woodworks.  Okay, here we go...

Rainbow said:
>Just to clear something up in my mind -
>how DO you pronounce words with ' s in? is it each sylable <sp?> so
>would k'Mist're sound like k'Mist'ry? I had the same problem with the
>Dragons of Pern names (I mean N'ton and F'lar and F'nor ect...)  

Okay, there is a big diff b/w how apostrophes are pronounced in Shin'a'in
and in Pernese.  In Shin'a'in, an apostrophe (') is a glottal stop, where
the air flow is quickly paused.  It's not as long as a breath, and
depending on context, does or does not indicate a syllable break.  I grew
up in Saudi Arabia, so know a few Arabic words which employ the glottal
stop.  The examples that are coming to mind from that language all have the
case where the glottal stop comes in the middle of a vowel (called
intervocalic to linguists).  So, the word mashalla (praise be to Allah)
would be written masha'alla in Shin'a'in.  The glottal stop isn't really
long enough to say that this word has four syllables, imho.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand, if you want to pronounce mashallah, you
could do the Sesame Street technique, and say "masha" then "allah", and
bring it closer and closer together, just don't slurr the a's together.
For those of you who are not Muslims, saying this word does not make you a
Muslim, so I'm not trying any nasty trickery.  Bismiallahirrahmanirahim, on
the other hand... *sniker*.

Okay, in Pern, the (') has a totally different significance.  In that case,
a Dragonrider is shortening his name, so you would treat it like in
English.  F'nor would be Fnor, F'lar Flar, and etc. ad nauseam :)

)*(&%&*#% Genetics

Liz Hoffman said a lot of stuff adn then:
>Does this make sense, I haven't had time to do the cooking analogy, will
>do it on Wednesday. 

Uhhh... actually, I only cought some of that.  So, you're saying there's an
"on/off" switch?  This would have to be a physical thing, no?  Coz (lapsing
into technese) how else could somebody express a phenotype that isn't
contained in their genotype?  (Transl: How could somebody have brown eyes
without the genes for it?)  And I'm a student, too, for those of you who
are wondering, just working my way through lots and lots of math and
computer type courses *long suffering sigh*

Oh, for everybody who lives w/in a reasonable distance of Toronto, you
might be interested in FilkOntario 8, where the GoH (Guest of Honor) will
be Heather Alexander.  If you'd like more info, the site is at:
<http://www.bserv.com/community/fkoa.htm>
It's from April 1709, which is the weekend before finals start for me, so
I'm gonna have to wait another month before I know if I can afford to go.
*crossing fingers*

Hmmm... looking over the list of sibs locations...

Please don't tell me I wasn't the only ListSib hit by the Ice Storm of '98,
please please please please please. :)

love,
Deniz Sarikaya, High Priestess of      | "Il faut bien que je supporte deux
Procrastination, Counselor of MIST,    | ou trois chenilles si je veut
Holy Custodian of the B-Day List, Dame | connaitre les papillons."
of the OoAM, Bower Champion, Demon of  | "Ce qui embellit le desert, c'est
Deceitful Aliases, Lady of the Seas,   | qu'il cache un puit quelque part."
Prince Cunning, and Mother Hen, II     |        Le Petit Prince
      >dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA< >freakola-+AT+-geocities.com<
         >http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/9359/<

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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 14:45:34 -0500
From: Carson Grey Bloomberg <cgb5-+AT+-cornell.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Braid: Location, Publication, and more!
Message-ID: <v03102803b102586a7ce5-+AT+-[132.236.121.176]>

Carson squirms her way out from underneath a mountain of (now dry and only
somewhat salty) schoolbooks and computer programs, finally opening up her
mail folder after a week of not reading through MistyMail... and is
reburied by dozens of unread messages. *Ooof!*

Oh, is a braid anything more than just putting replies to several messages
together in one reply? I have some vague idea that there could be some sort
of special commands involved, but I haven't the foggiest idea how one would
go about it. I ask b/c on the NewbieFest there were different people to
write to for help with braiding on different mailer systems, and I was
wondering why that was.

Claire writes:
>Oh, and as for location, I live in Chapel Hill, North Carolina.

I grew up in Durham! Where in Chapel Hill are you from (feel free to
respond privately if you prefer)? :> Right now I'm up in Ithaca, NY for
school, but I'm back down in NC for breaks and stuff. And I now have an
iced tea maker up here so I can make quarts of sweet tea. I missed it so
much! Oh, and what on earth is the PWRTWABSSFTHA?

And re: Misty's publishing stuff.
> Elvenbane, which I believe is part of the Serrated Edge series;

I think you're thinking Elvendude. Elvenbane is the prequel to Elvenblood.
And for anyone who wants a nice long list of all of Misty's books, do check
out Firebird Arts. Misty's page on there is
http://www.firebirdarts.com/indexml.htm and Firebird Arts sells all her
stuff that I'm aware of. Oh, and supposedly Oathblood is coming out this
year: a compilation of all the Tarma/Kethty tales in all the S&S books as
well as a new novella. Has anyone else heard anything about this? I just
noticed it on Firebird Arts' page. I love their stuff. :> Do I rant about
FA too much?

Let's see, Greg wrote a few things about other books.... The Bardic Voices
book you missed was Free Bards, but that's just a collection of the first
three books. There's another Bedlam Bards book called Bedlam Boyz. Grr,
didn't bring my Ship Who.... books.The Ship Who Searched, The Ship Who
Sang, The Ship Who Won, ParnerShip, The City Who Fought is in the same
universe as the others...I think that's it for the Ship series. There may
be another I'm forgetting.

Rainbow writes:
>Also in all pictures of An'desha in the Storm trilogy I can't find ONE
>with cat eyes...

I seem to recall looking for that too, and also being somewhat
dissappointed with not finding anything. :/ I had just mentally chalked it
up to the artist not having really read the story, but weren't those
drawings done by Larry? The cover art, well, Jodie Lee knows the stories,
which explains why they fit so well. But often the cover artist draws the
cover based on a blurb written by someone who skimmed very briefly through
the novel.

>and I think I've found a mistake...
>'he was not unlike the Chief Healer of Karal's old Clan.'
>Uh...last time I looked Karal was a Sun-priest NOT Shin'a'in,
>Kalad'a'in, Tayledras ect....

I'm again cursing myself for bringing only my Dune, Tolkein, and Pern books
up, and no Lackey. Lackey would've taken up a shelf on its own and I
couldn't pick and choose from my books of what to bring! But enough about
my ditziness. IIRC, Karal was in one of the more rural towns of Karsite
which also operated under Clan system. I'd love it if someone could check
back into Storm Warning and supply some texdevd, for or against.

Dave writes:
>Ben Schollnick wrote:
>>         True, I'm a big Misty fan, especially the Diana Tregade
>> series.... I always look to see if there's a new one when I'm in a book
>
>It's a shame she has basiclly stopped writing those.

On that Misty page at Firebird Arts, click on the link that says "The Last
Straw" by Mercedes Lackey. That has a pretty good explaination as to why
she's not writing anymore DT books, if you haven't heard the whole story.

Rainbow writes:
>(I like k'Mist're personally...) Just to clear something up in my mind -
>how DO you pronounce words with ' s in? is it each sylable <sp?> so
>would k'Mist're sound like k'Mist'ry? I had the same problem with the
>Dragons of Pern names (I mean N'ton and F'lar and F'nor ect...)

<<Carson's mental Rolodex goes *flipflipflip*>> Is there a pronunciation
guide in the back of Oathbreakers? Okay, my books are going to come back up
with me when I return after Spring Break. And as for the Pernese names, the
DLG has a pronunciation guide in the back. Unfortunately I don't have the
characters available in my text program here to reproduce the exact
pronunciation (it's the same symbol system as in the dictionary), but,
let's see...F'lar is pronounced flar with a short 'a', , F'nor is fnor with
a long 'o' (so I guess you just say the letters all together and try to fit
them all in), and N'ton...Ne ton', upside-down e, short o. If you want any
others, lemme know. :>

Niki writes:
>(not salt
>water -- it's raining here, and I had to walk three blocks to my car),

...and Stasia writes:
>Niki- Los Angeles, CA <madlink4-+AT+-earthlink.net>

It rains in LA?! But, but, California is the Land of Eternal Sunshine!

Okay, this is getting long and potentially stupid. I should stop now...

Carson
ska Silence de Cherbourg, Minstrel
http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/cgb5
"Stalking is like a date you don't know you're on until you're dead."





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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 15:19:02 -0500 (EST)
From: Kenneth Allen Hyde <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Pronunciation
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980208145725.11545A-100000-+AT+-copland.udel.edu>

On Sun, 8 Feb 1998, Deniz Sarikaya wrote:

> Rainbow said:
> >Just to clear something up in my mind -
> >how DO you pronounce words with ' s in? is it each sylable <sp?> so
> >would k'Mist're sound like k'Mist'ry? I had the same problem with the
> >Dragons of Pern names (I mean N'ton and F'lar and F'nor ect...)  
> 
> Okay, there is a big diff b/w how apostrophes are pronounced in Shin'a'in
> and in Pernese.  In Shin'a'in, an apostrophe (') is a glottal stop, where
> the air flow is quickly paused.  It's not as long as a breath, and
> depending on context, does or does not indicate a syllable break.

To expand on this.  In Misty's world, where the ' indicates a glottal
stop, the stop has the same status as any other stop consonant.  That is
to say that it is usually found at a syllable boundary.  Given the general
pattern (and this is very iffy in view of the dearth of actual data), I
would say that Shin'a'in and the other languages in its family have a CV
canonical syllable.  If this is the case, the name of the language
consists of three syllables [shin-'a-'in] ( the dash marks the syllable
boundary).  Basically, the CV syllable predicts that most glottal stops
that occur before a vowel with will be syllabified as onsets to the vowel
(the stop will be the start of a new syllable).  A glottal stop between
two other consonants could be syllabified either with the syllable before
it or the one after it, depending on the other consonants and whether the
language favors complex onsets or complex codas.  At the moment, I don't
think there is suffecient evidence to prefer one hypothesis over the
other.

However, it is also clear that the apostrphe in words such as
"k'treva" cannot be a glottal *stop*.  I suspect that in this case, the
apostrophe indicates the same thing it indicates in Pernese and English: a
deletion of phonological material.  We know that, historically, the "k'"
was a longer word (my memory says "kena"?).  As for how to pronounce it, I
assume that it is not pronounced at all.  However, in cases where it
creates an ungrammatical consonant cluster (such as "kt"), I would assume
that other features of the phonology would resolve the problem, probably
by inserting an epenthetic vowel.  Given that Misty lives in Oklahoma, I
suspect that she herself would insert a schwa (the sound in the second
syllable of "sofa" or the first syllable of "above").  Thus, "k'treva"
would be pronounced as [k-+AT+--tre-va] (where -+AT+- stands for the schwa).

> I grew up in Saudi Arabia, so know a few Arabic words which employ the
> glottal stop.  The examples that are coming to mind from that language
> all have the case where the glottal stop comes in the middle of a vowel
> (called intervocalic to linguists).  

Actually, Arabic has a fairly large inventory of glottalic and pharyngeal
sounds.  The stop would be most common between vowels, since IIRC Arabic
has a very simple syllable structure and does not allow very many complex
onsets.  However, I'm also fairly sure that you get it both word initially
and finally.  Although at the moment, I can't think of a single example.
=)

May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit,

Cennydd
Councilor of Mist

Kenneth Allen Hyde     |  No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife
Univ. of Delaware      |  between the shoulder blades will seriously
Dept. of Linguistics   |  cramp his style  -- Old Jhereg proverb
kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu         |  A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me

//www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/prof/ken.html



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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 16:49:38 -0500
From: Stasia <stasia-+AT+-gte.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Listsib's Location List/Message to Cennydd
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980208164938.00754b5c-+AT+-mail.gte.net>

<Big Blush> This was supposed to go provate e-mail... The only excuse I can
give is that I am running a temp of 102, so my thought patterns are all
skewed!  I try so hard not to do things like that, so please, please,
please, all councillors and everyone else, don't be mad at me for my faux
pai!  %^}

Amber



_____________________________________________________________________

As I stepped out into the bright sunlight, I had two things on my mind;
Paul Newman and a ride home.

		-- The Outsiders, SE Hinton

Nature's First Green is Gold,
Her Hardest Hue to hold,
Her Early Leaf's a flower,
But Only so an Hour,
Then Leaf Subsides to Leaf,
So Eden Sank to Grief,
So Dawn Goes Down to Day,
Nothing Gold Can Stay.

	-- Robert Frost

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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 17:05:32 EST
From: Flaime13-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Rainbow rambling on about genetics
Message-ID: <60749be8.34de2c2e-+AT+-aol.com>

In a message dated 2/8/98 9:22:48 AM Pacific Standard Time,
cf-+AT+-leightons.demon.co.uk writes:

<< I mean if say 3/4 of Valdemar is 'normal' and 1/4 is Gifted then the
 gene for magic MUST be ressesive, but there are varients, so a child of
 parents with say firestarting and mindspeech could have fetching. You
 CAN'T say that they are one off mutations as a lot of people have
 them... >>
Been a while since I posted...time for me to throw my virtual 2 cents' worth
in...
My take on this is the Gifts are not predetermined by genes.  Now, I don't
mean that it's a fully random thing; I think it makes sense for children of
Gifted individuals to have more of a chance at Gifts.  In the Vanyel books,
the Gifts are described as being akin to "channels" in the head, and Van's
were all blown as open as can be by the Gate.  So the way I see it is a person
has potential to have open channels, but not necessarily the same channels as
their parents will open.  What do you all think?
Zhai'helleva,
Flaime

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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 14:37:13 -0800 (PST)
From: "K.S." <n9582531-+AT+-cc.wwu.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: question about a book
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980208143206.15114B-100000-+AT+-titan.cc.wwu.edu>

Heyla all, can anyone tell me who wrote Chicks in chainmail?  My backwards
library has never heard of it.

obmisty: the other day i was at Barnes and Noble bookstore, and I saw a
hardbound copy of Black Gryphon for $4.99!  It was in the bargain book
section.  (completely flabbergasted here, of course when I went to buy the
book a few years ago, it sure wasnt $4.99!)  :)

Lets see, soft gooy <that doesn't look right:(
anyhow, soft gooey marshmallow sheep floating in a steaming cup of hot
chocolate laced with cinnamon and vanilla to all who enjoy such, and
crunchy gingerbread sheep (suitable for dipping in hot chocolate) for
those who don't!

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The artist is nothing without the gift, but the gift is nothing without
the work.     --Emile Zola


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