MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1492 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) FRIENDSHIP RING by Barbara Carlew 2) More story... by Clare Fiander 3) Re: More story... by The Wishing Tree 4) Re: oops. more braid. by "John E Morris" 5) Re: genetics / Learath by Elizabeth Hoffman 6) Repudiation by Adrienne Metz 7) Re: oops. more braid. by Kenneth Allen Hyde 8) Re: oops. more braid. by troll-+AT+-netcomuk.co.uk 9) Re: Lifebonds in the by "Arlene O'Connor" 10) Friendship ring-fluff by Ana Cotton 11) repudiation by Niki Nibbe 12) archiving list ring by Ana Cotton 13) Re: oops. more braid. by Moiami1-+AT+-aol.com 14) BRAID: Friendship Ring + Chosen and Crimes by Sheridan Hoy 15) Re: repudiation (And Friendship Ring fluff) by Carson Grey Bloomberg 16) Re: repudiation (And Friendship Ring fluff) by Skandranon-+AT+-aol.com 17) Story; OT McCaffrey by Niki Nibbe 18) Re: Talia/Friendship ring-fluff by "Angie" 19) Re: The Learth/Krebain thing by "Andi WindDancer" 20) Friendship Ring Festival by GrobuHit-+AT+-t-online.de (M. Grob u. S. Hitzler) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:52:02 -0500 From: Barbara Carlew To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: FRIENDSHIP RING Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980213105202.006bd56c-+AT+-ulster.mail.suny.edu> Barbara enters the Hall of MIST, unsure of what has happened but sure of the atmosphere in the room. Certain that every one here has become friends in one way or another. She enjoys sitting back and listening to the conversation, being the quiet clerk that she is she never really involves herself. She watches as bubbles fly among those present and enjoys the exclimations of suprise as everyone gets a taste of their favorite treat, hers being French Vanilla Capuccino. She stands back and admires the beauty of the hall. *The tapestries are magnificent* she wonders who had the oppertunity to decorate. She waits for everyone to enter the dining hall and is startled by something wet against her leg. She looks down into the loving face of what appears to be a sheep. She reaches down and touches her and realizes that this sheep is unique indead. She decides to invite her new wet companion home with her and to find the giver of such an amazing gift. She enters the hall and sits at the grand table, Helping herself to the grand feats in honor if the giving of the Frienship Ring to Lady Niki. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 14:46:41 +0000 From: Clare Fiander To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: More story... Message-ID: Rainbow laughed as she saw the 'Welcome' bubble, it was good to be here... Dee'rina snorted as her bubble caught her on the way to the dining hall. :Hey, my favourite food...: came the thought from Dee as she licked off the remains of the bubble. Rainbow smiled as she tasted ice cream, and wondered where the bubble was from. She saw movement behind a booth, and smiled as more bubbles floated out, she knew now at least, she'd have to talk to that person sometime... :Can we dance now?: came Dee's plaintative voice from the dining hall. :I thought you were stuffing yourself!: Rainbow answered, a tinge of laughter present in her mind voice. :I am,: Dee replied laughing, :but you could dance...teach them some Animiian dances!: :Uh...: Rainbow stuttered at a loss for words (for once!) :but I'm not the best dancer in the Valley! Jay is!: :Oh who cares? They don't know the dances so how COULD they know that you're not brilliant at them?: Rainbow mentally shrugged, and gave in. Swaying out onto the dance floor she listened to the music and then started to dance...... Can we HAVE conversations here? I'm always hearing about people talking, but there never are any conversations.... Niki...I'm still the same person...(ask my school friends) I just shut up a bit...and changed my story so that no CR laws were infriged, lets just say I was...um...confused... ________________________________________________________________________ Rainbow 'And still the forest of the North guards Valdemar from harm- For Vanyel's dying curse is stronger far than mortal arm. And every year the Chosen come, despite the old advice- "All those who would be Magic's Pride must then pay Magic's Price" ' ~Magic's Price Written by Stefen Magic's Price ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 01:11:53 +0800 From: The Wishing Tree To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: More story... Message-ID: <34E47ED9.2B6DD89C-+AT+-wishingtree.com.sg> Could someone please be so kind as to let me know how to unsubsribe from this list. Sorry for troubling everyone once again! -- The Wishing Tree 34 Craig Rd #01-05 Chinatown Plaza Singapore 089673 Tel : (65) 324 4951 Fax : (65) 324 0520 www.wishingtree.com.sg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 12:36:54 -0500 From: "John E Morris" To: Subject: Re: oops. more braid. Message-ID: <01bd38a5$f9e781a0$25109cd1-+AT+-default> >Was trying to leave this thread alone, but I've gotta get my two cents >in. Regarding Companions and their Heralds, and whether they would >choose/keep chosen a Herald who commits x,y,z crime: Keep in mind that >Companions are essentially avatars of a goddess. Which goddess are you speaking of? I don't think that the deity responsible for the Companions has ever been identified. I think situations where Companions are approving or >accepting of their Heralds' revenge-type actions just shows a bit of >their (prior)human aspect Weren't Tylendel's actions driven by what could be considered justifiable wrath? He was responding to the murder of his brother after all. Frankly, The whole repudiation thing has bothered me for a long time. Where were all the mind-healers who should have felt and been able to deal with Tylendel's obsession. Are we really to believe that his Companion (Gala? It's been a while since I read that series) would have ignored Tylendel's treatment of her to the point that she had to repudiate him? Wouldn't she have somehow sought out help for him? This seems to me to be a plot device that didn't work out very well. JM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 18:39:19 +0000 () From: Elizabeth Hoffman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: genetics / Learath Message-ID: Here goes, Genetics is just like cooking (only sometimes I find genetics easier). Rules 1) You always cook in PAIRS ie for every gene you have two copies. 2) Each cook in the pair has to decide whether to put an ingredient in and if yes how much. eg skin colour, Most people will have two copies of the gene for melanin which will add this ingredient, if one of the pair puts nothing in for this then your carrying albinism but the other one of the pair will probably compensate, if both pairs add nothing at this stage your an albino and have no skin pigment. But not everyones the same colour in the same environment so obviously each of the pair can add wildly different amounts of seasoning. If they're from the same area the odds are that the recipies they grew up with will be the same. So for someone from England the recipy is for a very light seasoning and for someone from Africa a range of more generous seasonings popular. 3)For some ingredients there is a choice of one or the other ingredient, either cayenne pepper or chilli but not both. 4)Some ingredients can only be added if another ingredient is added first, showing its the right recipy for that.IE the on off switch for this. 5)Some ingredients are only added by small groups of the population. 6)Whether or not you can tell if an ingredient has been added depends on how strong the ingredients flavour is, it may be masked by what the other partner of the pair put in eg gene for blue eyes masked by that for brown or by another ingredient entirely eg if you put enough curry powder in the odds are you won't taste the tiny pinch of celery salt you added. 7) Some ingredients taste very similar and not all of them are necessary to get the same taste and more than one of the tastes can be strong (even at the same time) without ruining the recipy. 8) There are SEVERAL THOUSAND INGREDIENTS so any one ingredient is likely to make only a slight difference to the final meal. 9) How much you heat, cool, add water, add more or even take out ingredients in response to the environment will alter the final product. So how does this relate to the gifts? Well some ingredients require another before they can be seen. Can have gifts there in potential but if your following the other recipy you won't show them because the critical ingredient won't be added. Unless of course someone forceably adds this, so forceably blasting open Vanyels potential, adds maximum amount of ingredient, as wide as you can get. Some ingredients taste very similar, different mind gifts, thousands of genes lots of different varieties all of which may be added in different quantities. More to come but I think if I add any more ... this is a tad long already. Learath, it was An'Deasha (sp) that was saying in Storm Rising something about having got as far back in Falconsbane's memories as an incarnation that called himself Learath. Liz ---------------------- Elizabeth Hoffman E.G.Hoffman-+AT+-soton.ac.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 11:39:48 -0700 From: Adrienne Metz To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Repudiation Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980213113948.006d2740-+AT+-pop.u.arizona.edu> At 06:12 PM 2/13/98 GMT, you wrote: > >> Keep in mind that >>Companions are essentially avatars of a goddess. > >Which goddess are you speaking of? I don't think that the deity responsible >for the Companions has ever been identified. > It's been said somewhere in one of Misty's books that King Valdemar prayed to every god/goddess he had ever heard of and the Companions were his answer. It was never said exactly which god(s)/goddess(es) responded, but I think the analogy of avatars of a goddess is correct. > >Weren't Tylendel's actions driven by what could be considered justifiable >wrath? He was responding to the murder of his brother after all. Frankly, >The whole repudiation thing has bothered me for a long time. Where were all >the mind-healers who should have felt and been able to deal with Tylendel's >obsession. Are we really to believe that his Companion (Gala? It's been a >while since I read that series) would have ignored Tylendel's treatment of >her to the point that she had to repudiate him? Wouldn't she have somehow >sought out help for him? This seems to me to be a plot device that didn't >work out very well. > >JM > > Tylendel was not responding with justifiable wrath to his brother's murder *only* He was paying retribution for a standing fued, something *Heralds never should do* Tylendel was also an extremely gifted person. He pretty much hid his feelings from *everyone,* including Savil and Gala. Vanyel felt 'Lendel's feeling through the lifebond, but he didn't understand them for what they were so he never went for help. He also didn't feel them to the extent that caused understanding until the lifebond was widened and he was pretty much in Tylendel's head. Essentially, Tylendel blocked everyone from helping him. I sort of understood what Tylendel did to Gala to be a closing up of their bond, where they could still communicate and everything would seem alright, but Gala couldn't really know what Tylendel was up to. Didn't Gala say she should have been paying attention? Maybe I'm mistaken. I also think Gala repudiated Lendel because he used magic he was not supposed to be using, he manipulated a lifebond (what else would you call what he did to Van?), and he used them for retribution that included killing people innocent of any wrongdoing. Most of what I said is more speculation on my part. I wish I had my books so I could give passages that support what I believe. Also, in some responses it seems like people miss passages altogether to argue their point. I wonder if some people speed read? I know I shared one of my favorite books with my fiance and when I tried to have a conversation with him later about it, he mentioned several things he didn't understand and did not think the authored had clarified. The problem was that Ryan (my fiance) speed-reads, therefore missing some important passages. I'm not sure why I mentioned this other than it bothers me a bit when people ignore passages that outright say the opposite of what they are arguing. Sheep Valentine's to Everyone! Adrienne ametz-+AT+-u.arizona.edu Find out about Mickey Zucker Reichert, fantasy author http://www.futureone.com/~ryan/realm/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 13:41:13 -0500 (EST) From: Kenneth Allen Hyde To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: oops. more braid. Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Feb 1998, John E Morris wrote: > Which goddess are you speaking of? I don't think that the deity responsible > for the Companions has ever been identified. Good point. Another point that occured to me is that I don't think that the Companions are "avatars." I got the impression that they were more on the same order as the Star-Eyed Spirit Sword-sworn. This is based on the passage in Oathbreakers when the Star-Eyed Goddess meets Roald's Companion. Perhaps the MOC and other Grove-Born would have the same status of avatars of some deity, although we don't know who/how many might be involved. > Weren't Tylendel's actions driven by what could be considered justifiable > wrath? He was responding to the murder of his brother after all. Hmmm. Well, his wrath may have been justified, but his actions weren't, I don't think. The murder of his brother (who was up to his neck in the feud) doesn't justify the slaughter of a large group of mostly innocent people. > Where were all the mind-healers who should have felt and been able to > deal with Tylendel's obsession. Well, maybe they didn't have any. Remember that when Talia showed up, it was mentioned that mind-healing was a very rare talent (sufficiently rare that it partially explained her inadequate training). Presumably, since it was a mind-gift and not a mage-gift, there would be no reason to think that Vanyel's interference would have had anything to do with it's rarity and that it may always have been as rare as it was in Talia's time. > Are we really to believe that his Companion (Gala? It's been a while > since I read that series) would have ignored Tylendel's treatment of her > to the point that she had to repudiate him? Wouldn't she have somehow > sought out help for him? I agree that, at the very least, she should have tried to get help when he shut her out of his head. However, assuming that Gala really took the idea that Companions do not interfere, she may not have felt that she *could.* On the other hand, I got the impression that Tylendel's descent into madness happened fairly quickly, and Gala may not have realized how little time she had in which to act. May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd Councilor of Mist Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me //www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/prof/ken.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 19:39:47 GMT From: troll-+AT+-netcomuk.co.uk To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: oops. more braid. Message-ID: <1998213194142641-+AT+-netcomuk.co.uk> >> Where were all the mind-healers who should have felt and been able to >> deal with Tylendel's obsession. > >Well, maybe they didn't have any. Remember that when Talia showed up, it >was mentioned that mind-healing was a very rare talent (sufficiently rare >that it partially explained her inadequate training). Presumably, since >it was a mind-gift and not a mage-gift, there would be no reason to think >that Vanyel's interference would have had anything to do with it's rarity >and that it may always have been as rare as it was in Talia's time. On the contrary, they had at least one during Vanyel's time. Savil specifically says in MPawn(Chapter 10, page 231, in my copy)that Lancir(who was Queen's Own at the time)was a MindHealer and blames herself for not making Tylendel go and talk to Lancir. Wind to thy wings, salt water to thy hair, and fluffy chocolate sheep prancing around thy home... Muranog Shadowbane Troll Adept (demons of Copyright Protection, thou shalt not take me, for my soul is pure) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 12:10:29 PST From: "Arlene O'Connor" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Lifebonds in the Message-ID: <19980213201029.28227.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> I agree with Amber...lifebonding does occur in real life...it has happened to me also... I became best friends with a guy named *R*. He was dating someone at the time and I had just broken up with my boyfriend...The minute we started talking...we just clicked...it was amazing...we can talk about anything to each other...and we're always there for each other. We have what I call a link...and you may believe me or not...but we both are Emp in real life...and we can sense each others emotions through this link... He broke up with his girlfriend and we remained close...soon...we became like brother and sister...in fact...a friend of ours...mentioned that we were connected...she could even feel it. I always knew I loved him...and only recently have we admitted it to each other... Based on everything Misty mentions in her books...this can only be called a Lifebonding. Arlene > >>3) Misty talks a lot about lifebonded. If this isn't breaking any very, >very important rules, do you think that such a thing can happen here?. >(Wishful thinking :)) and would it be a good thing. (I am thinking of what >Silverfox said to Firesong about it being very intense and difficult, >especially if there were problems). > >I honestly believe that what I have is a "lifebonding", or as close as you >can get in this mundane world of ours without heralds and companions. When >I met my boyfriend, I was dating someone else, but I knew I was >in love with him almost at first site. Things have been far from easy for >us. We fight and argue and break up... but every time we're apart for even >a week, it hurts to much to be without each other, and we're back together. > And, when we *are* together, it is very intense. It's difficult to >describe feelings, but everyone that ever saw us together said that they >could tell how much in love we were... the air around us just shimmered >with it. We do have our problems, but that feeling of "meant to be with >him and no other" is definately there... And, it's not like the crushes I >know I had when I was younger, when I as sure it was love because, deep >inside, I thought I couldn't find anyone else. I'm 24 years old, been in >several successful relationships, done the dating scene, >and have even had a lot of interest from guys while I've been dating my >current boyfriend <3 1/2 years>. My boyfriend is 31, the most independant >man I've ever met in my life... and one that usually doesn't hold on when >"things don't work"... But he has for me. Tells ya something, doesn't it? > >So, my answer to the "Is lifebonding real?" question has to be a resounding >yes! %^} > >Amber > > > >_____________________________________________________________________ > >Yes I am a pirate, 200 years to late. Canons don't thunder there's nothing >to plunder, I'm an over 40 victim of fate arriving to late. > > -- Jimmy Buffett, A Pirate Looks at Forty > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 12:16:12 -0800 (PST) From: Ana Cotton To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Friendship ring-fluff Message-ID: <19980213201612.20487.rocketmail-+AT+-web2.rocketmail.com> Sorry, this took so long to write, my Muse is being borrowed. ------------- Ana, was still dancing. But, she was beginning to think that maybe someone else should go and watch the booth. On the way over, she was sidetracked into a discussion about Leareth, and then one of the pages told her if she didn't leave she'd be late for class. Then, of course, a *really* good song was playing, and then the swing dancing started, and then... and all of these things piled up to keep her from going to the booth. Finally, she made it there. "Heyla, I'm Ana, you must be Shadowblade. Listen, I *promise* to take good care of the booth so you can go dance. I also promise-on my honor-to not play any Spice Girls or Hanson." "Thanx. But I think I'd rather talk." A discussion on genetics then ensued, with Ana grabbing others to join in. After awhile, Ana decided to get a drink. "Excuse me." "Yes, ma'am?" "Do you have any Schnappes?" "Yes, peach, cherry, grape-" "That's fine, can I have a bottle each of peach and grape. Oh, and a 2 liter bottle of Fruit Punch soda." The barman didn't even blink, he just handed them to her. "Oh, and a big pitcher would be nice-large enough to accomodate all of this." That too was provided. Ana opened the bottles and poured all their contents into the pitcher. Next, she stirred it a bit. Then, she poured some in a glass, and tasted it. "Oh good. Just the perfect mix. Can I just leave this here? And everyone can have some, of course." "Very good ma'am." Wandering back to the booth with a largish glass of blood wine, Ana looked over the controls and blinked. "Hey Blade." "Yeah?" "That is a karoake machine, is it not?" "Yes." replied Blade warily. "So that means we could have a karoake contest, right?" "But, would it be a good idea?" "Of course not! but it would still be fun. It doens't have to be a contest, we can just let people sing if they want. I'll start off." "With what?" "Hmm, how about the Pet Shop Boys 'It's a Sin'? Neil and I have close to the same voice, so it shouldn't sound too bad." "If you say so." muttered Blade darkly. Let the games commence! Oh, and please feel free to use my character. And to even make me sing bad. Hugs, Ana, who really believes that karoake-in moderation-can be a good thing. As long as you can sing. PS, yes I will send you more of my requests Blade. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free -+AT+-yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 12:54:23 -0800 From: Niki Nibbe To: Mercedes Lackey Discussion Subject: repudiation Message-ID: <34E4B2FF.79353167-+AT+-earthlink.net> Well, John, I have to agree with Adrienne on the question of Lendel's companion and mind healers: Lendel blocked her out. She did not know how deeply he had been affected. As a companion, she is not supposed to interfere; she sensed grief, but had no clue what it had done to him. And this applies to every other mage-gifted individual: they knew he was suffering, but he was able to hide the extent. And none of them really realized the extent to which he would be affected by loss of his brother. In fact, I think it's their brother-bond that somehow festered and moldered inside of him, and that drove him to his actions. And this bond was separate from his bond with his companion. I mean, as the feud develops they are concerned, but I don't think they really realize how his hold on reality will disappear with his brother dying. Like with a lifebond -- remember Tarma racing to save Keren when Ylsa died? Well, Lendel didn't have anybody trying to treat that type of a loss. They seemed to treat it as simple grief at the passing of a dear relative. And yes, Lendel was repudiated for doing all of those things -- taking advantage of his lifebond, etc. And he didn't just use magic to kill one person: he called up Wyrsa, which are not exactly selective. His intention was to kill many people (remember, the feud extended to supporters and family, didn't it?), and he felt no concern or worry in doing this. Whenever a Herald is in a position where they will cause harm, they at least weigh their actions; when they kill, it is to protect. Yeah, I wondered about the repudiation myself. If Lendel had been stopped before unleashing Wyrsa on innocent people, it might not have happened. But he did. When she says "I do not know you" she means it: something inside of him has snapped, and he is no longer the same person. The good of others means nothing compared to assuaging his rage at those who killed his brother -- and anybody else in the way. And at the time, she might not have put together the fact that he was essentially crazy because of his grief. I mean, she's rushing in to save lives at the expense of her own. Thanks to Lendel blocking her out, all she knows is that he's done this terrible thing, and she can't imagine why, so she obviously doesn't know him. Now, doesn't he sort of snap out of it at the very last minute, and realize what terrible thing he's done? And isn't there some sort of recognition (by the companions and a few heralds, at least) that he was driven past sanity by his grief? I seem to recall that there's at least some acknowledgment that he did what he did not out of a newfound joy for causing pain but out of his uncontrollable grief and anger. Yikes. I'm late. Love you all, you keep my mind very busy. Um, ignore my pleas for help -- you all just go on about your Ring partying, and I'll work the ring thing in -- just a hint: no more ceremonies ;o} Lady Niki, First Bearer of the Ring ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 12:38:23 -0800 (PST) From: Ana Cotton To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: archiving list ring Message-ID: <19980213203823.19873.rocketmail-+AT+-web1.rocketmail.com> I know at least one or two people mentioned that they were archiving the Ring story. Does this mean, you are going to archive it on the net-linked into a page, so anyone can view it? Or, did you just mean, it was on your own email program? All that aside, if we reach a consensus and want the story archived, I offer the space for it. But everyone will have to resend me their pieces. I am not *bloody* typing them in and converting them to html. I will convert them, no prob, but typing too??? Also, this way, if you want to edit what you wrote, you can, andd it'll go up that way. WTTW, Hugs, Ana, keeper of the CIA archive, and archiver extraordinaire. General slave to the system, and life. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free -+AT+-yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 18:39:15 EST From: Moiami1-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: oops. more braid. Message-ID: <37461c81.34e4d9a5-+AT+-aol.com> In a message dated 98-02-13 13:11:33 EST, you write: << Weren't Tylendel's actions driven by what could be considered justifiable wrath? He was responding to the murder of his brother after all. Frankly, The whole repudiation thing has bothered me for a long time. Where were all the mind-healers who should have felt and been able to deal with Tylendel's obsession. Are we really to believe that his Companion (Gala? It's been a while since I read that series) would have ignored Tylendel's treatment of her to the point that she had to repudiate him? Wouldn't she have somehow sought out help for him? This seems to me to be a plot device that didn't work out very well. >> Don't have the text, but, IIRC, Tylendel said that he could shut Gala out for a certain amount of time so that she wouldn't know that he was in a mad craze of revenge. He also didn't talk(mind-speech) with her that much claiming he was so weak and tired. I don't believe that in anyway is Tylendel wrath justified. To kill people is just wrong. Yes, he should have talked with Lancir(mind-healer), but he didn't because he just wanted revenge. He only opened up to Van, and that was only a little, so even Van didn't "totally" understand what was going on. Van could have tried to stop it, but it was his first love, and he didn't want to risk losing it so I don't think you can blaim it on Van.(I'm not saying anyone is, but just incase someone is thinking it) I just have to respond to all these mentions of genetics.(Unfortuantely I don't have any quotes, sorry). Many people have been saying that there is the "on/off switch" gene, and "potential", and this gene is needed to create that gene. I don't think Misty was thinking in terms of, "Now, would this character need this gene to get those gifts, or what". I think she was writing "Fantasy". Things that are sometimes totally unthinkable, but they are written so well that they seem like real people/place. Maybe I deserve to be pounced for writing such ideas, but that is my thought. It seems that you are trying to make something that is simple(maybe only in my simple headed mind) very difficult and for some(me) very difficult to understand what you are talking about sometimes. WTTW Aldric ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 13:42:23 +1300 From: Sheridan Hoy To: "'mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk'" Subject: BRAID: Friendship Ring + Chosen and Crimes Message-ID: <01BD394E.C9CF99E0-+AT+-port5.ts1.auck.sinesurf.co.nz> Firstly, I am glad that someone cleared up the bit about Skiff not raping anyone, but if he had, there would be absolutely no justification in doing it, and so he would have been repudiated. As for Tylendal, I think that when Gala repudiated him he was definitely not the same person that he had been when he was chosen, and it may have been that 'feeling' Staven's death pushed him over the edge. Whoever said that 'Lendal was not Mindspeaking with Gala as much as possible was right, but she should have noticed that something was up, but then Companions are NOT omnipotent, and they do respect privacy, so maybe that was what happened there. The stranger and Shadowdancer arrived at the Halls of Mist to find a party in full swing. The stranger was glad that Shadowdancer had respected her right for privacy and not pressed her on who she was and where she had come from. The truth was that the stranger had no idea who she was, and so was walking, hoping to find that which she had lost oh so long ago...her inner self. Many tribes had a different term for this, but the one the stranger liked best was 'Walkabout'. So, until she found that which she sort she was of no name, and no fixed abode. Maybe she would find her name and her purpose in life here, then again maybe she would have to keep travelling, but now it was time to rest, that much she new. She thanked Shadowdancer and the large wolf by her side and watched her vanish across the room. To those two she owed a debt; for bringing her here, and for saving her from the cold and the rain. Maybe one day, she could return the favour. The stranger found a corner and some food and settled down to watch, for that is what she liked to do best...watch people. Sorry, couldn't resist. Bright the day, tamlin 'Love must live free' ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 20:07:25 -0500 From: Carson Grey Bloomberg To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: repudiation (And Friendship Ring fluff) Message-ID: Okay, here's my two cents on the whole 'Lendel-repudiation thing. > And none of them >really realized the extent to which he would be affected by loss of his >brother. In fact, I think it's their brother-bond that somehow festered >and moldered inside of him, and that drove him to his actions... >I don't think they really realize how >his hold on reality will disappear with his brother dying. IIRC, Lendel told Van that he, Lendel, had been lying baout his bond with his twin. He had been told to let it go, not to keep using it and let it atrophy because they (the older Heralds, that is) were afraid that at some point he'd be in a position wher ehe'd have to choose between his twin and his duty, and as a Herald he was required to choose duty, but if he was so close to his brother to be able to have that mind-link, he might not choose duty. So the Heralds thought that the bond was weaker than it was, when Lendel had actually been working on making it stronger. > And isn't there some sort of >recognition (by the companions and a few heralds, at least) that he was >driven past sanity by his grief? Well, the Powers That Be still believed him to be a Herald - the Death Bell tolled when he died. So I guess that was a forgiveness, or at least an acceptance that he wasn't sane. **** The young minstrel looks around at the other people in the hall, recovering from her encounter with the Goddess of Music and Song. She grins as a couple of those mysterious bubbles float in after her and drift among the crowd. Suddenly, she hears a completely different sound coming from the hall. Is that... Yes, it sounds like a live DJ, if she's not mistaken. She timidly raises her hand to summon the page assigned to her, and frighteningly quickly, the child appears in front of her. "What's going on in the main hall?" "Oh, Shadowblade conjured up a hi fi-set and is now playing dance music for everyone." "Oh..." The minstrel stands up, and walks down from the platform. "If Lady Sophia wonders where I've run off to, could you just tell her I'm in the next room? I can't resist good dance music," she says to the somewhat surprised page with a grin. And with that, she pushes her way through the doors back into the main hall, and is immediately assaulted with... Well, someone apparently got a karoake set mixed in with the speakers, because there's someone up there singing along quite enthusiastically with some background music. The minstrel gets a rather eager look in her eyes. <> she thinks. Now where to go to get in line... **** -Carson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 22:23:53 EST From: Skandranon-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: repudiation (And Friendship Ring fluff) Message-ID: <54844fbd.34e50e4b-+AT+-aol.com> In a message dated 98-02-13 21:06:59 EST, you write: << IIRC, Lendel told Van that he, Lendel, had been lying baout his bond with his twin. He had been told to let it go, not to keep using it and let it atrophy because they (the older Heralds, that is) were afraid that at some point he'd be in a position wher ehe'd have to choose between his twin and his duty, and as a Herald he was required to choose duty, but if he was so close to his brother to be able to have that mind-link, he might not choose duty. So the Heralds thought that the bond was weaker than it was, when Lendel had actually been working on making it stronger. >> I don't have textevd, but I recently finished re-reading MPawn, so it is still fresh in my mind. The deal with the bond between Tylendel and Staven was that Savil believed it had weakened with distance, and rather than go into more lectures and arguing over it, he let her believe that that was indeed the case. As for Gala, he simply didn't mindspeak much with her while he was plotting his revenge. He only actually blocked her out the night they went to kill the Leshara. Furthermore, I don't believe that what he did was in any way justified, unless you believe in the "eye for an eye" doctrine. And I will just add my voice to concur with all those who say Gala repudiated him because he had become a different person, and he was not the same person she had Chosen. As for the Death Bell and 'Lendel being buried as a full Herald, I wonder if that is because he came to the realization that what he did was wrong. Gala's death may have had that effect on him. Then, you could say, he did the only honorable thing he could -- he took his own life. Sorry for rambling. I've just been thinking about this. (I work in the legal profession so justice is kind of an obscure topic. *giggle* : ) Barb Mistress of the Feline Tower ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 20:42:40 -0800 From: Niki Nibbe To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Story; OT McCaffrey Message-ID: <34E520BF.949658F2-+AT+-earthlink.net> Heyla all. Wanted to warn you I probably won't have the ring transferred before Saturday. (Saturday my time, that is. For some of you it already IS Saturday.) Actually, what if we made the transfer day Saturday? Just thinking that since people work, have school, etc., Saturday might be a bit easier for people to do? Wanted to mention that I, too, am compiling the stories onto Word. So far I've got 27 pages, 10pt font, and I haven't got them all. One thing I noticed in going back throuh is that too many of you kept apologizing, either for the length or (gasp) for the simple fact of writing anything at all. As for length, from what I can tell, my story was one of the longest, along with Marty's, and I will not apologize. So there. By the way Marty, loved your contribution). As for apologizing for joining the fray -- Nonsense! Best party I've been at in a long time. ******** Okay, waaaaaay OT -- if you're not interested in Anne McCaffrey, then delete this messsage now: > <<"Could someone tell me if green Pernese dragons COULD produce Queen > eggs? > OK, I'm WAY off topic....">>> Rainbow, I just finished Dragondrums (again) last night...um, make that this morning, since it was around 3 or 4...If you will recall the hole hubbub in Nerat with everybody having fire lizards, Piemur et al. realize that a scam is being played on the people -- there are many, many, many green fire lizards around. The presence of so many greens is what tips the harpers off to the scam. In the paperback, see p. 107: "Very few green-laid clutches survived to Hatch. Which, as Menolly had succinctly stated, was just as well or Pern would be up to the eyeballs in little green fire lizards." Now, this is regarding firelizards, but I think it's pretty clear they have similar genetic makeup, and what holds for a firelizard in this regard should hold for the dragons as well. Now, it's been a while since I read the rest of the series, so I suppose I could be mistaken... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 12:43:59 +0800 From: "Angie" To: Subject: Re: Talia/Friendship ring-fluff Message-ID: <01bd3903$2a609620$0100007f-+AT+-localhost> Carson wrote: : We don't think of Talia as a rapist, but it's hard to classify : that incident. Cruel and unusual punishment? Where do you draw the line : between "This kind of rape is okay" and "This is bad." When it's meted out : as a form of punishment, and the reciever gave at least as good as he got? : Did Talia go too far? That's almost like questioning the entire justice system.;) Talia's action wasn't really seen as rape by Rolan or the other Companions. It was more like "getting what he gave out", you know, like the Elves' punishment of that crazed sadist of a father in "When the Bough Breaks". The victim would not be physically raped. More like mentally. Not that it is any better... Talia _might_ have gone a bit too far. The man wouldn't be able to come out of his mental torture unless he breaks the thing himself. Being in a perpetual state of torment, I don't think he would ever have enough concentration to ponder over what he did to his daughter? step-daughter? --------------- Blade leaned back, smiling at the line in front of the booth. She winks at Ana (who is still belting out The Pet Shop Boys song.) The song finally finishes and Blade leans forward to speak into the mike that Ana handed to her. "Alright people! That was Ana with her rendition of "It's a Sin" by the Pet Shop Boys! Ladies, Knights, Gods, Goddesses, Priests, Priestesses, and Listsibs, if you wish to belt out a song or two..." A huge shout from the line waiting for their turn at the mike, Blade grins and waves at them."... form an orderly line in front of the booth situated near the bar! Come up to me when your turn comes, state your song, and sing man! No competition is allowed! I'm sure that while everyone enjoys singing, not everyone CAN, sooo... to spare our other more sedate listsibs, I'll alternate songs. One Karaoke, Two Songs, One Karaoke! OK?" Nods all around. "Right, now on to the next song. It's a song request by Ana!!!! For your listening pleasure, here's a Back-to-back session with Depeche Mode, "I'm taking a Ride (With my Best Friend), followed by "Policy of truth"!! " The song blasted into the Hall so loudly that some of the bubbles that Blade blew burst and dismembered giggles filled the air. Quickly adjusting the volume controls, Blade mutters an apology into the mike, "Sorry, guys, forgot about the Karaoke..." With a more comfortable volume, the music played on, with bodies swinging in the Hall.... ( ) Wind to thy Wings ) ( Shadowblade mindmate to Raul <====+====> Elven Archer-Mage of Fairgrove >>~~~~~> | | High Priestess of the Goddess of the Elves and of OOPS, | | NoIsE ApPrENticE!!!!! | | Grand Dame of The Order of Namers | | Check out my homepage at ~> | | http://members.tripod.com/~Shadowblade | | (self-advertising, gotta hate it! ;)) \/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 21:50:57 PST From: "Andi WindDancer" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: The Learth/Krebain thing Message-ID: <19980214055057.13151.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> <> Just a quick note: Yes, but it explicitly states (in Mprice) that after Van killed Krebain the dreams stopped. This implies a link between the Ice/Leareth dreams and Krebain. IIRC the quote is where Van and Stef are in bed for the first time, after the dream about 'Lendel. He thinks something along the lines of 'Gee, why did that dream come back. I thought it had left for good after I killed Krebain'. I dont have textevd (the books are all the way downstairs (I'm tired), but I've read that book sooooo many times, that phrase (idea) stuck in my head... Oh well, If I am in fact wrong (which might be the case) feel free to hit me with a 2x4. Might jar my brains back into order. Chocolate covered fluffy cream-flavored sheep to everyone on Valentines day... Andi (flower fairy extroidanairre) (Yes, I no i cant speeell ) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 14:05:47 +0100 From: GrobuHit-+AT+-t-online.de (M. Grob u. S. Hitzler) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Friendship Ring Festival Message-ID: Shantaya Autumnleaf is welcoming Jeanne Riverwolf and her friends Jareth and Cheylasa. "Nice to meet you. I hope you enjoy our little fun and dancing. You are an elve, aren't you? Reminds me of my days among your people. BTW, I'm a mercenary and part-time healer." "Yeah, first she cuts them down with her knives and throwing stuff, then she binds them up. Most find the first more fun", Torell adds. Shantaya frowns down on him, then looks surprised when she notices what he is holding in his hands. "What do you want with this bowl of ... uh ... chocolate pudding?" "It's mousse au chocolat", Torell corrects her haughtily, "and I'm going to welcome Jeannes friends." "No, you don't!" - "I don't?" - "No." Grumbly Torell turns his back, clutching the big bowl of chocolaty mousse while Shantaya continues her conversation with Jeanne, Jareth and Cheylasa. As soon as Torell finds her deeply absorbed in this conversation, he steals himself away very very slowly. For he has spotted another Newbie! But before he can reach the unfortunate and unaware person, a bubble touches his lips. "Jelly-bean scrunch! Yum yum." Forgotten is the Newbie as he heads in the direction where the bubbles are coming from. "Hullo", he says, "aren't you Shadowblade? Did you make those bubbles? They are great! How did you generate them? Look, what I've brought you, it's mousse au chocolate, very fine!" He puts the large bowl down on the table and digs too spoons out of his motley garb offering one to Shadowblade. "Would you play 'This Corrosion' by Sisters of Mercy for Shantaya, please? She loves this kind of music!" he begs around a mouthful of mousse, his brown eyes giving Shadowblade the look of a lonely puppy. ---------------- Uhm, OBMisty, well ... hard to find one. Oh, got one. Punishing rapists can't be cruel enough IMNSHO. Killing somebody means the person is dead period. That's bad enough. But raping somebody means the person has to go on living with being raped which is the cruelest thing I can imagine. Being raped ruins your life. So IMO Talia did right to put this bastard on a loop. BEsides aren't Heralds supposed to be some kind of police/legislators? So it was her duty to punish him. Wind to thy Wings Shantaya Autumnleaf Keeper of Cats and Friend of Jesters ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1492 **********************************