MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1514

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) newbiefest/web page?
	by "Vrondi" <tpots-+AT+-usa.net>
  2) Re: A Question about books...
	by troll-+AT+-netcomuk.co.uk
  3) Re: [Firesong/OT books]
	by Becky <beckah-+AT+-usa.net>
  4) URLs
	by Niki Nibbe <madlink4-+AT+-earthlink.net>
  5) Endings; Shin'a'in vs. Hawkbrothers
	by Greg Wooledge <wooledge-+AT+-kellnet.com>
  6) Me again
	by Niki Nibbe <madlink4-+AT+-earthlink.net>
  7) upcomming misty books/hellos
	by Mat the Cat in Green <mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>
  8) Re: Tremaine, Oathblood, favorite books
	by Ambyrglow <Ambyrglow-+AT+-aol.com>
  9) Re: [web page?]
	by Becky <beckah-+AT+-usa.net>
 10) Delurk+bookreading reasons
	by Chris Manning <wtknleo-+AT+-voyager.net>
 11) New books // Story
	by Carrie MacDonald <maddylynn-+AT+-yahoo.com>
 12) Re: newbiefest/web page?
	by Kenneth Allen Hyde <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
 13) Strong Fiction/Favorite book
	by Sorchafyr <Sorchafyr-+AT+-aol.com>
 14) Re: upcomming misty books/strong plots
	by Emily the invisible <cartieel-+AT+-flyernet.udayton.edu>
 15) Re: Knights of and DiTregarde
	by Elizabeth Hoffman <E.G.Hoffman-+AT+-soton.ac.uk>
 16) A little birthday fluff
	by Stasia <stasia-+AT+-gte.net>
 17) Actually from John . . .
	by Danielle May Marrone <dmarrone-+AT+-ic.sunysb.edu>
 18) Blood and Soil
	by "Vrondi" <tpots-+AT+-usa.net>
 19) Re: what else do we read?
	by "Vrondi" <tpots-+AT+-usa.net>
 20) Hmmm
	by Tifalheart-+AT+-webtv.net (April Hunt)
 21) Other Books
	by Danielle May Marrone <dmarrone-+AT+-ic.sunysb.edu>
 22) Talaydras/Shin'a'in/Oathblood/
	by "Chris Goldbach" <gold980-+AT+-hotmail.com>
 23) Regards/Escapism/otherbooks/most read book
	by "Chris Goldbach" <gold980-+AT+-hotmail.com>
 24) I remember everything, as if it were yesterday
	by Tifalheart-+AT+-webtv.net (April Hunt)
 25) Re: Some questions I'd like answering - PLEASE?
	by "Raven Darkblade" <abbykat-+AT+-hotmail.com>

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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 19:23:40 +0000
From: "Vrondi" <tpots-+AT+-usa.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: newbiefest/web page?
Message-ID: <19980306002440.28881.qmail-+AT+-dns01.ops.usa.net>

> the newbiefest page -- it only takes a minute to avoid baelfire and a

could someone post the URL for this, I haven't looked at it in a 
_very_ long time.

And also, is hte list web page still up?  The one with the 
bios/bulletin borad/etc. ?

-Vrondi 
_____________________________________________________
Chrys' Dragon Page:
http://edweb.concord.wvnet.edu/~deanca
Chrys' Celtic Page:
http://wvnvm.wvnet.edu/~cna00104

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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 00:33:04 GMT
From: troll-+AT+-netcomuk.co.uk
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: A Question about books...
Message-ID: <19983603511641-+AT+-netcomuk.co.uk>

On 03/06/98 00:27:41 Stasia wrote:
>
>I picked up Oathblood today <Can you believe it was actually in my GROCERY
>store?  Of all the wonderful luck!>  And, looking in the front of the book
>where they have all the books realeased through DAW by Misty, they also
>have four upcoming books that DAW is releasing by Misty... "The Black
>Swan", "Pheonix and Ashes", "The Gates of Sleep", and "The Serpent's
>Shadows"  Has anyone heard anything about these books?  What are they
>about?  What world are they set in?  The list gives no hints at all, and
>I'm dying to find out!
>
Exactly what I've been asking for the last couple of weeks, ever since
I bought Owlflight which mentions the same four books. Evidently no-one
on the list knows anything about them?

Muranog Shadowbane
Troll Adept
and his bondmate Sable, the giant black war sheep


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Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 17:39:32
From: Becky <beckah-+AT+-usa.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Firesong/OT books]
Message-ID: <19980306003932.4727.qmail-+AT+-www02.netaddress.usa.net>



> Also did anyone else notice that there was a Tayledras woman in
> Starwind's Clan (which was????) called Firesong? Co-incidence or what?
> 
   Coincidence. Nothing more. The cook or a servant or someone in another book
was also named Medren, again, coincidence. Just like in any other civilization,
repeating names are bound to happen. I doubt Misty even realized this when she
was writing the book.
=============================
> Ana wrote:
> <<Hmmm on that note: what's the book any of you have read the most
> times? From beginning to end?>>
> 
    Misty book: The Lark and the Wren, I love it to pieces, and then some.
    Other book: All the chronicles of Narnia(yeah yeah, so it's more than one
book, just consider it one really big book) I reread them on a regular basis, I
love them to pieces too.
============================
> Where did Kerowyn LIVE at the beginning of BtS? Just wondering - please 
  > answer tho'! 

           Rethwellan, Daren was of the royal family, and his was the royal family of Rethwellan.
=========================

> Windsong wrote:
>  (To sidetrack a little, it's a pet belief of 
>  mine that people read to escape the real world, and so it is the books that 
>  have happy endings and are basically different from our own world that do 
>  the best in terms of sales. *g* What do you think?)

 Depends on what else you consider is escaping the real world. I do not think it is escaping the real world anymore than watching a movie, television, or even going to the theatre is escaping. 
It is entertaining, and you also learn a lot from reading too, whether it be fantasy books, Shakespeare, or Alexander Milne. But the books with happy endings aren't always the best sellers, honestly there are times when books like that can absolutely infuriate me :)
Reading simply is part of the real world, we learn a lot from reading books from other people, and a lot of the time, we don't even realize it. We learn new ways of thinking, we learn how it was to live in another time and place, we learn and learn and learn when we read, and most of what we learn about is the real world, and how to relate to things in the real world. By reading, you have the issues and problems of the real world thrown at you, and are forced to see what happens. Misty's books about Vanyel are a prime example. You are confronted with homosexuality, and are forced too see it in a good light, and are also forced to experience that pain Van goes through, I can not imagine anyone walking away from those books and *not* being able to at least contemplate a bit how our society treats homosexuality. 
It is like this in all books (well, the really good ones anyways) There is just the surface, the plot, and what happens, but there is always something deeper, the author is trying to say something, and convey morals and ideals and make people think about how what is happening in the book relates to society. At least, I do, I always walk away from books learning something new, and I always end up looking at our society, and how the problems we are currently facing relate to the book. I just had a thought, I really hope I'm not the only one that does this. Sorry this turned out so long, I didn't intend for it to bee this long, but I get going, and I just can't seem to shut myself up. 
========================================
The day I flew too close to Bliss -
The brilliance of the glow
Reflected by Eternity
Inflamed my feathered soul -

The passion known to Icarus
Infused my hour of flight -
Until Truth's melting - when I fell
Restrainless - from the light!
--Emily Dickinson



Lady Becky of the Hills
Goddess of Tofu and Dry Breakfast Cereals
Handmaiden of Procrastination
High Priestess of Hyperness and Overbubliness
E-mail: beckah-+AT+-usa.net
ICQ: 3733571

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Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 17:58:31 -0800
From: Niki Nibbe <madlink4-+AT+-earthlink.net>
To: Mercedes Lackey Discussion <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: URLs
Message-ID: <34FF5845.395B1BAD-+AT+-earthlink.net>

Ha.  Thought you'd never ask.  Here is the url for the Newbiefest and
Abbreviation pages.  (Sorry, don't know what hte is.)  For any newbies
or return-bies who haven't yet checked out these pages, I recommend you
do so soon.

 http://www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/pers/misty/newbiefest.html

   http://www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/pers/misty/abbrev.html

If you cannot access the Web or would prefer an email version, feel send
a private email to anyone with Councilor of Mist attached to their sig,
and they'll help you.

Some other web pages that might be of listsib interest are...

Ana's compilation of the story that arose around the friendship ring and
the ensuing party:
 http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/6573/lfr.html  (and Ana - lol for
the copyright warning -- add a bit of bad music to the bad poetry, and
you'd have a certain hell)

The Official Webpage of the Fluffian Order:
 http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Rampart/4991
The page is rather self-explanatory; and the Newbiefest talks about the
Fluffian Order -- the Fluff Page has some very humorous poetry and such.

And I've seen the FireBirdArts page floating around here, so I won't try
to scrounge up that url address.

Bright the day,

Niki, FBotFR


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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 20:51:37 -0500
From: Greg Wooledge <wooledge-+AT+-kellnet.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Endings; Shin'a'in vs. Hawkbrothers
Message-ID: <19980305205137.24472-+AT+-phoenix.local>

Aryllian Shadowspark (eng281-+AT+-umslvma.umsl.edu) wrote:

> Which leads to an interesting question.  Do you think it is stronger to show
> a not so bad society moving implacably toward destruction, with the heroes
> trying but unable to stop its descent, or an imperfect society moving closer
> to good, with the heroes leading the way?

Sorry, too profound for me today. :-/

Anyway, you might want to try some of Michael Moorcock's writings.
He portrays the collapse of a society in the Elric saga.


Rainbow (cf-+AT+-leightons.demon.co.uk) wrote:

> Another BtS question is....I thought Kero's/Kethy's tribe (the
> tale'sedrin) WERE the Hawkbrothers? That's what I got from winds...am I
> wrong or what?

That's pretty easy to get confused about.

The Hawkbrothers (Tayledras) were the Kaled'a'in who chose to retain
the powers of Magic.  They were chosen by their goddess to cleanse the
Pelagirs and other lands that had been contaminated by the cataclysm.

The Shin'a'in were the Kaled'a'in who chose to disdain Magic.  They were
chosen by their goddess to protect the Dhorisha Plains where the weapons
of the Mage of Silence lay hidden.

Among the Shin'a'in were several clans, including the clan of the hawk
(the Tale'sedrin).  Tarma was born into this clan; her bond with Kethry
made Kethry a member as well, and all of Kethry's descendants (including
Kerowyn).

> I mean Kethy's SHIN'A'IN, and I thought that the Hawk
> Clan wanted to keep magic and so split off, and thats why the
> Hawkbrothers are HAWK brothers...(haven't read Oaths yet so....)

No, the Shin'a'in and the Hawkbrothers are distinct.  This is explained
somewhere in the Winds trilogy, and is probably mentioned in the Storms
trilogy as well (I can't recall for sure).

> Where did Kerowyn LIVE at the beginning of BtS? Just wondering - please
> answer tho'!

I thought it was Rethwellen, but I might be wrong.

> Oh yes - and is she'chorn the Shin'a'in version of shay'a'chern? Just
> wondering (again please answer!!!)

Yes, they mean the same thing.  The similarity in the terms is
intentional, because the languages are derived from a common root
(Kaled'a'in).

-- 
"Daddy, why do those people have to    |   Greg Wooledge
  use Microsoft Windows?"              |   wooledge-+AT+-kellnet.com
"Don't stare, son; it's not polite."   |   http://www.kellnet.com/wooledge/

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Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 18:10:50 -0800
From: Niki Nibbe <madlink4-+AT+-earthlink.net>
To: Mercedes Lackey Discussion <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Me again
Message-ID: <34FF5B29.8D47610F-+AT+-earthlink.net>

Just have to say I tried to use the link to the Newbiefest page, and it
didn't work.  Can't imagine why -- Councillors?

And about whether reading is escapism -- I personally see my reading as
exactly that.  Yes, I have books I read for enrichment or
enlightenment.  I put literature and scientific books into that
category.  But fantasy and sci fi and murder mysteries are pure,
unadulterated escapism for me.  I'm getting the impression from some of
the responses that people are a bit defensive about that label.  I know
I used to be.  But I', now perfectly happy admitting that I "escape"
with Misty and others.  This doesn't mean I lose all sense of the real
world, nor that my life is so horrible that I must "escape" it.  No,
it's just a chance to live vicariously, and take a step away from
myself.

Hm.  Think that's all I'll say for now.  Gonna go try to track down the
Newbiefest.  Maybe it's just my software?

Niki


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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 21:15:30 -0500 (EST)
From: Mat the Cat in Green <mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: upcomming misty books/hellos
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.93.980305211011.21395B-100000-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>

On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Stasia wrote:

> have four upcoming books that DAW is releasing by Misty... "The Black
> Swan", "Pheonix and Ashes", "The Gates of Sleep", and "The Serpent's
> Shadows"  Has anyone heard anything about these books?  What are they
> about?  What world are they set in?  The list gives no hints at all, and
> I'm dying to find out!

Looking at Firebird's Misty FAQ, you can see that "Black Swan" is a
retelling of Swan Lake.  "Phoenix and Ashes" is a Cinderella retelling.
"The Gates of Sleep" is Sleeping Beauty, and "Serpent's Shadow" is "Snow
White meets the goddess Kali in England".  Also upcoming is "Queen of Air
and Darkness", which is about Queen Elizabeth I, as Queen of both England
and witches.  And there's more on Firebird's page (www.firebirdards.com).

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Hi to everyone who said hi to me, and others who I remember who are still
around :)



Mat
Cat Person, Champion in Green, God | "Eldest, Fairest, and Fallen . . .
of Procrastination, filk vector,   | greeting and defiance." -- A wizard
Heathen #149, and OoUL/L of tLotPW | upon meeting the Lone Power.
mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu         | "Magic does not live in the unwilling
http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/  | soul."-- Wizards' saying about magic


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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 21:33:23 EST
From: Ambyrglow <Ambyrglow-+AT+-aol.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Tremaine, Oathblood, favorite books
Message-ID: <b403cd11.34ff6075-+AT+-aol.com>

>>Definitely!  Aside from Talia, Tremaine is my favorite character in all of
Misty's books. <<
I would have to put Tremaine down as my favorite character, too, though IIRC
Vanyel won the most votes for favorite male character back a while ago when we
were polling. . .Talia was first female.  I've gone though the Storm books
several times, just reading the parts with Tremaine.  He has a sense of
realness that some of Misty's character's lack. .. he isn't all good, or all
bad, and I understand (at least most of the time) why he does things.

>>Hmmm on that note: what's the book any of you have read the most
times? From beginning to end?<<

Dealing With Dragons, by Patricia C. Wrede.  I think I'm well over the 60th
time- got my hardcover copy in second grade, and it's pretty much fallen
apart.  The problem is that now I can practicaly recite the whole thing from
memory. . .
"Linderwall was a fairly large kingdom, east of the Mountains of Morning,
where philosophers were highly respected and the number five was fashionable.
The climate was unremarkable.  The nights kept the armor polished mainly for
show- it had been centuries since a dragon had come east."  Time to go read it
again, I think :-).

>>>I picked up Oathblood today <<
Oh, that's right, it was due out in March.  ::running off to the bookstore::
Of course, maybe I should read Owlflight first. .. 

^*^Claire

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Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 20:45:44
From: Becky <beckah-+AT+-usa.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: [web page?]
Message-ID: <19980306034545.12047.qmail-+AT+-www07.netaddress.usa.net>

Vrondi wrote:
> And also, is hte list web page still up?  The one with the 
> bios/bulletin borad/etc. ?
> 
Well, I gave up on it about a year ago, mostly because I didn't have the time to put into it what it deserved, and there also seemed to be a lack of interest, and I got discouraged. I made an announcement to the list to see if anyone else wanted to take it over, and someone did (I forget who) and she copied all the pages over to some adress at geocities, it might still be in existence over there, but I'm not certain.
====================
If you want the rainbow, you gotta put up with the rain
--?




Lady Becky of the Hills
Goddess of Tofu and Dry Breakfast Cereals
Handmaiden of Procrastination
High Priestess of Hyperness and Overbubliness
E-mail: beckah-+AT+-usa.net
ICQ: 3733571

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Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 23:58:31 -0500
From: Chris Manning <wtknleo-+AT+-voyager.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Delurk+bookreading reasons
Message-ID: <34FF8277.566A-+AT+-voyager.net>

Hiya, I figure I might as well delurk after (counts weeks of lurking)
umm... a long time. ^_^
Anyway, I've just finished up the Arrows trilogy and am about to start
on the LHM trilogy soon.
[About the bookreading reasons]
Well, I generally read books for entertainment purposes (I guess if
that's escapism, then possibly, I think it could be possible, as I
sometimes read for hours on end).  But I manage to get something out of
the books I read (at least, the good ones).  Anyway, umm... back to
lurking mode, might come out in a few weeks (hope not, I'd rather go
with a few days :) ).
--
Chris Manning - wtknleo at voyager dot net - ICQ UIN 5409788
Davis on EsperNet and LunarNet
(Hmm... gotta work on this...)

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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 20:57:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Carrie MacDonald <maddylynn-+AT+-yahoo.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: New books // Story
Message-ID: <19980306045717.7211.rocketmail-+AT+-send1d.yahoomail.com>


Well, first off..... Oathblood is out!! I /love/ working in
bookstores!!! Well, in the US, anyway. Also out, the new Jennifer
Robinson book about Del&Tiger. Not to mention Freedom's Challege by
Anne McCaffrey will be out in 2 months..

Brief thing re: McCaffrey and sexuality...

   The secuality should not affect the ability of the queen's risings
and clutching, unless the rider cannot control the queen's gorging
before flight. To my understanding that is the only thing that can
hinder it, according to my readings of the books.

()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()(()()()()()()()()()

   Morgana looks down at her half-seen form, and mentally groans.
Apple stuff, everywhere. She looks around, and seeing it's not her
turn to mock-sing yet, she slips outside into the Gardens. After a
couple minutes hunting, she finds a hidden heated pool. Taking off her
body mask, a young lady appears. Curly brown hair, hazel eyes with
glasses, and opposed to the courtly dress from earlier: jeans and
t-shirt, appear. She takes a brief dip, to wash the sticky off, then
listens, staring into the pool. She catches a brief glimse of upcoming
books, and sends out a small voice into the Hall, to inform those
concerned with such, and a small aside about McCaffrey. Then she hears
the opening strands of Tomorrow Wendy. She can't make it in time,
so..... She takes a deep breathe, and 'sends' her voice into the Hall
again. The voice sings, but the singer is nowhere to be found.

Night folks!



==
            Morgana, Lady of things unseen...
            & her vampire companion Alex the Cat.

I ache for the touch of your lips dear
But much more for the taste of you whips dear

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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 01:20:13 -0500 (EST)
From: Kenneth Allen Hyde <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: newbiefest/web page?
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980306011742.14948D-100000-+AT+-copland.udel.edu>

On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Vrondi wrote:

> > the newbiefest page -- it only takes a minute to avoid baelfire and a

The URL is:

http://www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/pers/misty/newbiefest.html

Unfortunately, the server is down for the moment (it's 1:19 EST) and I
don't know when someone with the keys will come in to reboot it.  At the
latest, it will be online again in the morning.  Hmmmm.  Maybe I will
transfer the Newbiefest to the department sun server.  It seems more
stable (I don't think it has crashed since going online).

May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit,

Cennydd
Councilor of Mist

Kenneth Allen Hyde     |  No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife
Univ. of Delaware      |  between the shoulder blades will seriously
Dept. of Linguistics   |  cramp his style  -- Old Jhereg proverb
kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu         |  A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me

//www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/prof/ken.html



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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 04:14:35 EST
From: Sorchafyr <Sorchafyr-+AT+-aol.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Strong Fiction/Favorite book
Message-ID: <2d65a655.34ffbe7d-+AT+-aol.com>

Heyla listsibs:

Aryllian Shadowspark writes:

<< Do you think it is stronger to show  a not so bad society moving implacably
toward destruction, with the heroes trying but unable to stop its descent, or
an imperfect society moving closer to good, with the heroes leading the way?
>>

Personal feelings on this subject would lead me to respond: both.  Each
scenario has the potential for strength (strong emotional response) but each
comes from a very different slant.  The epitiome of tragedy (to me) is to show
a wasted potential in one form or another.  I strongly believe in balance,
yin-yang, you can't have shadow without light, whatever you want to attach the
image to.  If we weren't moved by stories which show societies moving toward
good, we would have no hope, and therefore no reason to try for anything
better.  If we had no stories to touch us which showed societies moving toward
destruction, we would have no sense of caution allowing us to think ahead and
forsee problems.  (Yes, for all of you who read this far, I really do use
words like epitiome in *real life*)  Personally I tend to be emotionally
touched more by tragedy, but couldn't take a steady diet of it.  It depends on
the writer, to a large extent, to bring out the strength inherient in the
situation.  Do I read to "escape"?  Hmm, depends (as do so many other things
in life) on your shading of the word escape.  I have gotten so involved with a
story that I literally have to be touched to get my attention, and sometimes I
end up using the word patterns of my favorite characters for a few days
afterwords (anyone else find themselves saying "shards" or "puckernuts"?
Amazing the swear words you can pick up without offending anyone), so I guess
in one sense I "escape" when I read.  However I take the best elements of the
story and incorporate them into my thinking pattern, and even use them for
comfort sometimes, which would be the opposite of escaping, I think.  Ugh,
enough on this train, it is far too serious and they'll take away my Knight
status if I keep it up.

The book I have read more times than any other is one I'd be willing to bet no
one has heard of (I'd be surprised if anyone could even FIND it).  "Dancer's
Luck" by Michelle Shirey Crean.  Del Rey did a small series of books called
Del Discovery, publishing unknown authors and I happened to pick this one up
at a used bookstore.  Copywright 1993, wrote the publisher to find out if
there was anything else she had written since, but recieved no answer *sigh*.
I'd recommend the book, but you don't want to frustrate yourself.

I'll think up something suitably fluffy for next post, promise.  Mint Marzipan
sheep to all and sweet sheep-tinged dreams.

Sorchafyr and Fluff the wet sheep
Knight of Fluff
*******************************************************************
Bad spellers of the world untie
 - Bumper sticker

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Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 06:58:39 -0500
From: Emily the invisible <cartieel-+AT+-flyernet.udayton.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: upcomming misty books/strong plots
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980306065839.007b65d0-+AT+-flyernet.udayton.edu>

Mine God wrote:
>Looking at Firebird's Misty FAQ, you can see that "Black Swan" is a
>retelling of Swan Lake.  "Phoenix and Ashes" is a Cinderella retelling.
>"The Gates of Sleep" is Sleeping Beauty, and "Serpent's Shadow" is "Snow
>White meets the goddess Kali in England".  Also upcoming is "Queen of Air
>and Darkness", which is about Queen Elizabeth I, as Queen of both England
>and witches.  And there's more on Firebird's page (www.firebirdards.com).

There's a list of more books, but not really all that much more detail *g*.
Just so noone goes there to look and doesn't find the details they want.
Generally plot details are added as the book nears completion (it happened
with Firebird!). Anyways, how can they give plot details if the book isn't
written yet?

*******************

Aryllian Shadowspark wrote:
>Do you think it is stronger to show  a not so bad society moving implacably
>toward destruction, with the heroes trying but unable to stop its descent, or
>an imperfect society moving closer to good, with the heroes leading the way?

Well, I tend to like both kinds of plot movement... the thing that turns me
off is not usually a book's plot, but more its style. For example, I
decided to try Janny Wurts' Stormwarden, and I couldn't get through the
first 100 pages because she wrote in a style where she couldn't be bothered
to show anything. She kept *telling* the reader stuff instead of showing it
<disgusted and annoyed look>. I think that book was trying to show a not so
bad society moving towards destruction, but I'm not sure, and I'm not about
to try to finish the book to find out. If I want to read a society moving
towards destruction, I can just reread Camber the Heretic, The Harrowing of
Gwynnedd, King Javan's Year, and The Bastard Prince, all by Katherine
Kurtz. Dying societies can be interesting, but they can also be painful. A
lot of the time, I'm just not in the mood to watch as everything goes all
to hell.

Emily the invisible, plotting how to return a network to normal and
contemplating the destruction of SMC's headquarters

Councilor of Mist, Priestess of Procrastination, MudGump Sister, 
       Champion of Lady Webby, Champion of the Pink Wand
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    cartieel-+AT+-flyernet.udayton.edu or ecartier-+AT+-geocities.com

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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 12:47:25 +0000 (GMT)
From: Elizabeth Hoffman <E.G.Hoffman-+AT+-soton.ac.uk>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Knights of and DiTregarde
Message-ID: <SIMEON.9803061225.A-+AT+-sghb-12.sucs.soton.ac.uk>

I'll have to join with Dax and Ana with wailing about my 
disappointment with that Knights of Ghost and Shadow / 
Summoned to Tourney 2 in 1 book.  I've got to post my copy 
back to get a refund.  Its a lot cheaper if you don't have 
the 2 seperately already and they are really good, but...
I just got all 3 DiTregrade books and the Children of the 
Night (is the title right?) freaked me out, its much more 
horror than her otheres.  I was late for work though cause I 
couldn't put it down.
And I'd just like to say Happy Birthday to me.  Yes my 
parents seem to have forgotten so I'm making sure no one else 
does.  When you get to 25 are you supposed to be to old for 
birthdays, do I feel young!
bye
Liz 

----------------------
Elizabeth Hoffman
E.G.Hoffman-+AT+-soton.ac.uk


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Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 09:41:40 -0500
From: Stasia <stasia-+AT+-gte.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: A little birthday fluff
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980306094140.00a02488-+AT+-mail.gte.net>

At 01:36 PM 3/6/98 GMT, you wrote:
>And I'd just like to say Happy Birthday to me.  Yes my 
>parents seem to have forgotten so I'm making sure no one else 
>does.  When you get to 25 are you supposed to be to old for 
>birthdays, do I feel young!
>bye
>Liz 


And I'll say Happy Birthday to you too, Liz!  Mine is next Wednesday <24,
for those interested> and I have a feeling my parents may forget too... my
boyfriend is taking me to the keys for several days, so I guess it could be
worth it!  %^}  Anyway, I hope the rest of your birthday is absolutely
wonderful, and remember that your listsibs are there with you,
celebrating... in spirit, at least!  

ObMisty:  I started reading Oathblood last night, and I've found at least 2
stories that are republished from Oathbound.  Seemed kinda strange to me,
since they already WERE in Oathbound.

Amber, who often goes as Stasia



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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 11:41:57 -0500 (EST)
From: Danielle May Marrone <dmarrone-+AT+-ic.sunysb.edu>
To: Mercedes Lackey Fan List <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Actually from John . . .
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980306113957.10098A-100000-+AT+-sparky>


John accidentally sent this to me along with his personal message to me so
I cut the personal message and sent the rest for everyone else.


>Well, sorry, but homosexuality is an "alternative lifestyle" (so are
>neo-paganism, living in communes, or giving your kids home schooling

    I understand what you are saying here, but you are missing the point I
am trying to make (so maybe I'm not making it well enough)  My disagreement
is not so much with the word "alternative" but with "lifestyle".  This
phrasing carries the implication, not only of choice, but of fundamental
difference.  All of the examples you have given are concious choices - the
descision to live in a commune or to home-school one's children are
descisions that one makes.  Being gay is not.  Homosexuality affects one's
physical and emotional preference in a partner, but nothing else.  Living as
a gay person is the only "choice" a gay person has.  There are no other
"alternatives". (BTW: My thanks to Kris Frye for the inciteful comments on
the semmantics of "Alternative Lifestyle" You got my point, exactly)

> I wonder at the lack of technological developement in Valdemar during the
> period of history in which magic was not useable.
>The period after the cataclism (B/W/SGryphon) or the time since LHM?

    The period after LHM - (There was no Valdemar immediately following the
Mage Wars, after all) One looks at the difficulties experienced by the
Empire during the Mage Storms trilogy (Somehow I don't think we've seen the
last of them, do you?) and wonders, if magic played such an important part
in the lives of its citizens, then how would their problems compare, knowing
that magic existed and feeling the lack of it, compared to the citizens of
Valdemar who suddendly and subtly had the memory of magic removed from the
collective mind?  The citizens of the Empire KNEW what had been lost, and
were forced to take steps to compensate for the loss - How, then, did the
citizens of Valdemar deal with the loss of something they didn't even
remember existed?

>Perhaps it is more along the lines of the fact that Gold Dragons are
>Queens (the main (only?) egg layers) and sorry, but homosexuals don't
>have offspring without medical assistance.  It would be a bad thing for
>the continuation of the weyr if the queen was a lesbian.

    The strictures in question do not apply to the dragons, but to their
riders.  A lesbian queen rider would not prevent that rider's dragon from
mating with a bronze.  After all, greens and blues with gay riders mate all
the time in McCafferey's world.  I appreciate McCaffery's attempt to include
gay characters in her work.  It is an admirable attempt, especially in a
woman of her age, as many of the older generation are more intolerant of
homosexuals, to include gay characters.  My real difficulty is, again, in
the assumptions made in the use of these characters.
    I have just finished reading Red Star Rising, and my impression of the
gay characters in it (this is the first overt refference to gay dragonriders
I have seen) is that they are flighty and silly, prone to giggling and the
superficial, stereotypical behavior so often ascribed to us by pop culture.

>Depends on what else you consider is escaping the real world. I do not
think it is escaping the real world >anymore than watching a movie,
television, or even going to the theatre is escaping.
>It is entertaining, and you also learn a lot from reading too, whether it
be fantasy books, Shakespeare, or >Alexander Milne.

    This brings up an interesting question.  We know that all of us here are
fans of the Fantasy/Sci-Fi genre.  What else do we read, though?  I am a
huge fan of classical and contemporary literature, as well as the genre
stuff.  The latest "non-genre" book I have read was "Snow Falling on
Cedars", which won the 1996 Pen/Faulkner award.  I am also a devotee of Pat
Conroy.  So, what "non-Misty" books do we all read?


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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 12:59:33 +0000
From: "Vrondi" <tpots-+AT+-usa.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Blood and Soil
Message-ID: <19980306180132.23566.qmail-+AT+-dns01.ops.usa.net>

YESSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!    <tremendous laughter fills the air>
I just found this on the firebird FAQ for an upcoming book!

"Blood and Soil:  After protracted negotiation, the contract for the
remaining Diana Tregarde books has been transformed, and instead of
more Diana and Andre detective novels, the new book will feature Andre
the Vampire fighting Nazi's in France during WWII."

hahahaha!  I've been wishing for another book with Andre for a long 
time.  This is the next best thing to a new Di Tregarde book.  I hope 
it turns out well.
-Vrondi

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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 13:05:40 +0000
From: "Vrondi" <tpots-+AT+-usa.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: what else do we read?
Message-ID: <19980306180744.28097.qmail-+AT+-dns01.ops.usa.net>

> From:          Danielle May Marrone <dmarrone-+AT+-ic.sunysb.edu>
> John accidentally sent this to me along with his personal message to me so
> I cut the personal message and sent the rest for everyone else.
> 
>     This brings up an interesting question.  We know that all of us here are
> fans of the Fantasy/Sci-Fi genre.  What else do we read, though?  

Well, besides LOTS of sci-fi.fantasy stuff, I read LOTS of classics 
from all periods. Maostly British and American Literature.  I'm 
majoring in English Literature, and often have a hundred pages of 
reading per day of class.   Let's say, from the middle ages upward, 
I've done lots of the more popular things.  Now if I could only 
remember all that stuff as well as I remember the fantasy books!
-Vrondi
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 11:15:03 -0700
From: Tifalheart-+AT+-webtv.net (April Hunt)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Hmmm
Message-ID: <199803061815.KAA10460-+AT+-mailtod-132.iap.bryant.webtv.net>

Happy Birthday Liz and Stasia( a bit belated and a bit early,
respectively) 

As for the not so bad societies plunging downward, didnt Misty's
compliation TBB(Tiger Burning Brightly) deal with just that? Admittedly
the society came back, just barely at the end of the book, but I thought
reading it was disturbing. The fall of an Empire....sigh.
(Dont get me wrong I love the book)

Also the last nonfantasy book(im still reading) is Chaos science...I
forget the exact title!
The book I must have read the most is The Hero and The Crown by ? now I
forgot her name.Sigh.Jennifer Robinson? maybe...the reason Ive read this
book(uncounted times) is because it was the first book-fantasy that ive
owned...and I had to buy The Blue Sword, and I really wish she would
write more of those books...sigh...(IM Just forgetful today, um whats my
name? BIG sigh?)I also read a lot of religious text when I have nothing
better to do with my time(or Ive done everything else and am left with
read religious text or clean my room?) 

Also If I seem a bit vauge, im sorry - my sister was hit by a car while
on bike and she got pretty banged up. Now Im playing nurse, again! Ever
watch them darn cartoons where the injured party has a bell? Well, thats
what my life is like right now except that my sis has a very powerful
voice and not a bell...sigh...(she's a half trained singer and knows how
to project)
Anyway, TTFN, WTTW and all that good stuff.

April-Jeanne Riverwolf, Disciple of Textevd,Hall of MIST

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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:09:53 -0500 (EST)
From: Danielle May Marrone <dmarrone-+AT+-ic.sunysb.edu>
To: Mercedes Lackey Fan List <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Other Books
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980306140406.3967A-100000-+AT+-sparky>

As far as other books being read other than SciFi/Fantasy, I tend to read
the type of stuff you read in Literature classes.

As far as the book I have read the most?  I have lost track but for some
of these I would have to say 50 or more times (keep in mind that once
involved in a book, I can read it in 3-4 hours).  These include Arrow's of
the Queen, The Fire Sword, The Blue Sword, Bridge to Terabithia (SP?), The
Lark and the Wren, and another one that escapes me for the moment.

				ARI 



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Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 11:55:27 PST
From: "Chris Goldbach" <gold980-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Talaydras/Shin'a'in/Oathblood/
Message-ID: <19980306195527.14761.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com>

Okay about By the Sword:

    You asked about the Hawkbrothers and the tale' sedrin.  They are 
different.  you are getting the Shin'a'in tribe name tale'sedrin mixed 
up with the proper name of Talaydras, also known as the Hawkbrothers.  
Tale'sedrin is just the name of a Shin'a'in tribe, much like the 
Talaydras different "tribes" or Vales, example: K'Treva.  You are right 
about the Talaydras and the Shin'a'in being related they are of the same 
original people but they went seperate ways after the Mage Wars.
I to would like to know where it is that Kerowyn is from.

-+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+-

Okay a quick question, okay 2 quick questions,

1)  I was in the book store the other day and saw the book Oathblood!! 
When did this come out?? Is it a third book to Oathbound/Oathbreakers? 
Or is it closer to something like Sword of Ice? 

2) Okay I am wondering What was your first Misty book?  Mine was Magic's 
Pawn quickly followed by MPromise and MPrice.
 I am wondering because so far it seems to me that it is with the first 
book that you become a Misty fan.  Of everyone I know their fasination 
starts with their first book of Misty's.  If they do not really like 
their first book they are usually not so quick to pick up another one.  
Whereas if they Loved their first one they usually become die hard fans.  
There hasn't been too much of the in between people.  Either they become 
fans or they don't really get into it. Is this just me?  

Wind to thy wings
Chris and Safa

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Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 12:23:53 PST
From: "Chris Goldbach" <gold980-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Regards/Escapism/otherbooks/most read book
Message-ID: <19980306202354.23092.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com>

April,
Sorry about your sister.  i hope that she will heal soon.

-+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+-22

As far as why I read books it is for both entertainment and Escpism.  I 
read to escape to a new and exciting time and world to meet new people 
but it is for complete entertainment.

-+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+-

As far as other Kinds fo books I read?  HHHMMMM I get into various other 
kinds of books.  Many autobiographies and biographies.  The Last one I 
read was My Sergei by Ekantrine Gordeava.  But I also like to read books 
on American Indians.

-+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+--+AT+-

The book (actually series) I have read the most is TLHM I just got done 
reading it for the 3rd time and I know that I will read it atleast one 
more time as soon as I get all of the books from the timeline so that I 
can read them in order. I am already reading the ones I have already, in 
order.  

WEll, I will talk to everyone later.
Wind to thy wings
Chris and Safa

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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 13:41:27 -0700
From: Tifalheart-+AT+-webtv.net (April Hunt)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: I remember everything, as if it were yesterday
Message-ID: <199803062041.MAA00137-+AT+-mailtod-131.iap.bryant.webtv.net>

Aha! the author of The Hero and the Crown is Robin McKinley!(though I
spelled that wrong, I did remember her name!) Aha! madly dancing around
in glee...April posts a one-liner to the list...grumble now i have to go
read the 5 messages that got here in the last hour....sigh

April-Jeanne Riverwolf, Disciple of Textevd,Hall of MIST

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Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 13:15:41 PST
From: "Raven Darkblade" <abbykat-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Some questions I'd like answering - PLEASE?
Message-ID: <19980306211544.2459.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com>

Rainbow begged:
<<Hi! I was just um...skipping a FEW pages ahead in By the Sword, and 
was wondering is Kero's Companion
Sayvel
or Sayvil
?????????
in my copy of BtS it's SAYVEL.....and in Winds it's SAVYIL...which is 
it?>>

You said it yourself. In By The Sword, Kero's Companion calls herself 
SayvEl. But in Winds, it changes to SayvIl. At a guess, MCE (Misty 
Continuity Error--Read: MISTAKE.)

<<Another BtS question is....I thought Kero's/Kethy's tribe (the 
tale'sedrin) WERE the Hawkbrothers? That's what I got from winds...am I 
wrong or what? I mean Kethy's SHIN'A'IN, and I thought that the Hawk 
Clan wanted to keep magic and so split off, and thats why the 
Hawkbrothers are HAWK brothers...(haven't read Oaths yet so....)>>

You're not wrong, just confused. The Tale'sedrin are, literally, the 
Brothers of the Hawk. The other three main Shin'a'in clans are the 
Liha'irden (Brothers of the Deer), the Vyusher'edrin (Brothers of the 
Wolves), and the Pretera'sedrin (Children of the Grasscats). These are 
the four Clans that split off from the Kaled'a'in to become the 
Shin'a'in.

The Tayledras (the name being derived from Talesedras in Kaled'a'in, 
which means Brothers of the Hawks with a slightly different connotation) 
were given the name Hawkbrothers by 
non-Shin'a'in/Tayledras/what-have-you because of their bondbirds. They 
are descended from, as I recall, Raven, Owl, Falcon, Fox, and Eagle 
Clans. All of this is explained in Winds of Fate.

<<Also I was thinking...could Sofya....(you know the Herald Vanyel met 
in Mpromise...) be Destria's Companion Sofi? Just an idea....or Jasen 
(Daren's Companion from BtS) be Jaysen from Magic's? If they ARE then it 
means that they all turned up around the same time, co-incidence? They 
WERE all involved with the Leareth threat and did all have SOMETHING to 
do with magic (even Sofya was around in Van's LIVING time...)>>

I really think that's getting a little more brainfry complicated than is 
necessary, especially considering that Misty tends to reuse names and 
Sofya, Sofi, and Jasan are pretty minor characters.

<<Where did Kerowyn LIVE at the beginning of BtS? Just wondering - 
please answer tho'!>>

South. Possibly Jkatha, Ruvan, Seejay or Velvar. She says, when hearing 
that the Skybolts have taken a job, that she came from 'south of 
here'--and they were in the area of Menmillith and Rethwellan, on the 
Karsite border. No book ever tells exactly where--it's not all that 
important, really.

<<Oh yes - and is she'chorn the Shin'a'in version of shay'a'chern? Just 
wondering (again please answer!!!)>>

Of course. Just as zhai'helleva is the Tayledras version of 
Zha'hai'allav'a. The languages have the same root--Kaled'a'in--and are 
quite similar.

<<Also in Sun & Shadow, in the last verse of the 'main' song (not 
prologue) is is 'great us death' or 'grant us death'? In the words at 
the back of Arrows it's 'great' but could someone listen to a tape for 
me and check as it seems a bit odd...pur-lease?>>

'Great' us death is likely a typo, since it doesn't really make much 
sense. On HHH, it's 'Grant us peace'.

Zha'hai'allav'a,
Raven Darkblade,
Holy Hand of the Goddess of Elves,
and Mor the raven, her familiar.

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