MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1515 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Hmmm by "Raven Darkblade" 2) Braid of lots of stuff by Adrienne Metz 3) Off topic question/answer by KATE REYNOLDS 4) re:braid by Ana Cotton 5) Oathblood by SenayRed 6) Braid: Types of books I read+First Misty book by Chris Manning 7) Re: books I read by "dawn fire" 8) Bridal/Other books/Escapism/First Misty by Becky 9) Robin McKinley/Anne McCaffrey/clergy/obMisty by Mat the Cat in Green 10) Many a SPLOSHinng... by dprono-+AT+-planet.eon.net 11) Mini-braid--Escapism/Fave Books/Bedlam's Bard/Sheep by "Lady Summersunshine" 12) Re: Blood and Soil/Books I read by Windsong 13) Re: Off topic question/answer by "John E Morris" 14) Braid:escapism/fav books/LHM and sexuality by Niki Nibbe 15) Re: Strong Fiction/Favorite book by MMurphy300 16) Re: [web page?] by AERDEN-+AT+-delphi.com 17) Re: Urban Fantasies by Javelin397 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 13:48:24 PST From: "Raven Darkblade" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Hmmm Message-ID: <19980306214825.4734.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Jeanne Riverwolf wrote: <> The author you're thinking about is Robin McKinley, who also wrote The Door in the Hedge, Deerskin, and Beauty--all extremely good books. I honestly have no idea which book I've read most often, because I reread almost all the books I consider worth keeping. Zha'hai'allav'a, Raven Darkblade, Holy Hand of the Goddess of Elves, and Mor the raven, her familiar. \ \\ \%, ,' , ,. \%\,';/J,";";";;,,. \%;((`);)));`;;,., ,`;))((;`,`((;(;;);;,` ;`((```))`~ ``; );(;));;, `-+AT+- `(( `), (;;);;;;` / `) `` /;~ `;;;;;;;);, / , ` ,/` / (`;;(;;;;, (o /)_/` / ,);;;`;;;;;`,, `~` `~` ` ``;, ``;" ';, `' `' `' abbykat-+AT+-hotmail.com http://www.angelfire.com/ky/Ashke/ http://dragonlance.justbecause.org/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 14:50:36 -0700 From: Adrienne Metz To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Braid of lots of stuff Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980306145036.006dfdcc-+AT+-pop.u.arizona.edu> Someone asked about the Mailing list Homepage. I don't think I saw it posted. I had found it once when I did a Misty search. The URL is: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/1387/ I thought that it was interesting that so many of us were presented with homosexuality through fiction at around the age of 14. I also read a book with the main character being homosexual, Songmaster by Orson Scott Card, at about 14. It was my first experience with homosexuality, really. Before that, the media did not discuss it, and it certainly wasn't discussed in school or in my family, etc. I do not think I could say which book I have read the most. At different stages of my life, I would re-read many books. I've been a re-reader since I learned to read. However, I would have to cite Xenocide by Orson Scott Card as my most read book since it came out. It is also my favorite book. The funny thing is that I remember the first time I read it, I was home from school listening to some new CDs I had (Guns N'Roses Use Your Illusions, if you can believe it). I also remember my freshman year at college reading my favorite chapter of it, The Jade of Master Ho, to a good friend of mine. I know I've read that passage most of any book. Although The Velveteen Rabbit, "What is Real?" passage probably is a close second. What else do I read besides Misty? OSC, of course, being my favorite author. I haven't read much of his recent stuff because I would start it and it just wouldn't feel like OSC, so I wouldn't continue. Mickey Zucker Reichert is another fav of mine. I'm waiting for her third book in The Renshai Chronicles. Besides sci-fi and fantasy? I read chemistry books. Yey! Being a chemistry major does that. I also read a lot of Bridal Magazines and Guides and the such, as I am engaged and planning a wedding. And I often read "How to Deal with Stress" books because I'm not good at handling stress at all. My first Misty book was Tiger Burning Bright, the collaboration book with Miriam Zimmer Bradley and (I forget who). My first purely Misty book was By the Sword, which is still my favorite book by her. And Kerowyn is still my favorite character of hers. With Savil running a close 2nd :) I cried harder when she died than when Van died. I was so excited when I re-read BtS after reading LHMT that Savil was Kero's Companion. I also wanted to address the point about Misty catching people on the first book. I was given TBB by a friend who knew I'd read Mists of Avalon. When I liked it a lot, my friend suggested I read BtS. I liked that a lot also (obviously). But I didn't read any more Misty for a long while. Then I re-read BtS from lack of any other "light" reading and decided I wanted to learn about Keth and Tarma, so I did my hunt for Oaths, reading those almost 6 months after my intro to Misty (a long time for me as a reader.) I didn't read any more Misty until this past Winter Break (when I crammed TLHMT, Arrows Tril, Winds, plus re-reading of BtS and Oaths into the few weeks I had). Now I am a fan, but I wouldn't qualify myself as die-hard. I'm reluctant to read her SE books and other collaborations. And I don't feel the same way about her as an author as I felt about OSC for so long (he is my fav author). And now that I have babbled quite a while, mostly about myself, i will end this very self-indulgent letter. (My Friday afternoon class was canceled and I don't know what to do with myself.) All-weather sheep to you all :) Adrienne ametz-+AT+-u.arizona.edu Find out about Mickey Zucker Reichert, fantasy author http://www.futureone.com/~ryan/realm/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 16:51:47 -0500 From: KATE REYNOLDS To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Off topic question/answer Message-ID: <980306165147.2cf5-+AT+-4cty.org> Hi friends! We need help! My library co-worker and I are going crazy . . . John's reposted message today referred to an Anne McCaffrey Pern book or short story called Red Star Rising. We both love her books, but can't remember that one,and can't even find anything about it using all our (vaunted) library resources. I'd just ask John offlist, but the message was a repost, so I don't have his address (sigh). Can anyone out there help us? We were also talking about what else we read . . . . I read mysteries, the occasional popular science book (a holdover from my first life as a marine biologist), and interesting sounding fiction. I see so many books at my job it's sometimes overwhelming. Donna says she likes historical fiction (along with whatever books she's teaching to her 9th and 10th graders). OBMIsty: Psyched to hear that listsibs are getting their hands on Oathblood. Have to order myself a copy Monday (one library perk -- I can buy books at 35% off cover price and get them in under a week). WTTW, Kate ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:44:18 -0800 (PST) From: Ana Cotton To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: re:braid Message-ID: <19980306224418.12144.rocketmail-+AT+-attach1.rocketmail.com> Sorchafyr wrote: >Sometimes I end up using the word patterns of my favorite characters >for a few days afterwords (anyone else find themselves saying >"shards" or "puckernuts"? >Amazing the swear words you can pick up without offending >anyone)>>>> Yup. I tend to quote tv shows, books, comic books, movies.. you get the idea. And its sooo much better when people have no idea what I've just sadi. (Tho lately I've been using a bit of British slang more than anything.) >The book I have read more times than any other is one I'd >be willing to bet no one has heard of (I'd be surprised if anyone >could even FIND it). "Dancer's Luck" by Michelle Shirey Crean. HAH!!! I have read 'Dancer of the Sixth' about twelve times, and even have my sister reading it umpteen times!! And it is verrrryyyy bad that she hasn't written more!! *Boohhooooo* *sniffle* Waait a minute. Did you call it 'Dancer's Luck' cause thats the title you have? If so, maybe its a sequel.. Ooo! A sequel! - Speaking of sequels, and before I continue to a different subject. Any Patricia Wred fans should be happy to Know she has a sequel to Maireln the Magician coming out. At least I'd assume it was a sequel, since it's called "The Magician's Ward" ------------------------------------- John asked: >So, what "non-Misty" books do we all read?>>>> Well, I read quite a bit of other F/SF authors-Laurell K. Hamilton, Anne McCaffrey, Robin McKinley, Pat Wrede, to name a few.... as to none SF/F I read: Regency romances(they have to be slightly witty, or make me augh, none of that languishing heroine crap.), Mysteries, and once in a great while Christopher Pike. ------------- Chris asked: > Okay I am wondering What was your first Misty book? >>>>> The Ship Who Searched-collaboration with Anne Mc., then I read some of the Tarma and Keth stories in S&S, then finally read By the Sowrd. And the rest is most certainly history. === Hugs, Ana, proud Knight of Fluff. Watch "Three"! "So, I stole Niles' ovaries!"-Frazier to his father. http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/6573 _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free -+AT+-yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 18:11:04 EST From: SenayRed To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Oathblood Message-ID: <96f8abe3.3500828a-+AT+-aol.com> :::Delurk::: Oathbound is not out in bookstores here yet, but I do know what it is. If you are looking for new T&K stories, this is not that. This is a compliation of the short stories from Marrion Zimmer Bradley's Sword and Sorceress (I cant spell) anthologies. There is, however, one new story that I believe is written by Misty. I'm sorry to repeat anything that people have already said, but that is my knowledge of this book. ~waveys~ Sarah, Daughter of Deori, The One :::Relurk::: ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 18:17:01 -0500 From: Chris Manning To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Braid: Types of books I read+First Misty book Message-ID: <350083ED.19D3-+AT+-voyager.net> Hiya, Chris again. My first braid (I hope I know what I'm doing...) ------------------------------------------- Re: Types of books... Anyway, I generally read fantasy, with a few sci-fi books tossed in, and every once in awhile I'll read a magazine (generally popular science type magazines). And I don't have many books I have read, mainly because A) I don't have a library I can get to and B) I'd probably never be able to make up my mind! ARGH!. ;) --------------------------------------------------- Re: First Misty Book The first Mercades Lackey book I read was The Black Gryphon. One of my friends had that book, but I never was able to read it (mainly because the entire time I was at school, he was still working on finishing it, he wasn't exactly as fast as me). So, I was looking for a few books to get when I got back home, and saw that, and decided to pick it up. Big 'mistake' ;) (as in, now all my money is going in that direction... ARGH! ;) ). I read that book almost non-stop, then I had to find more Misty info on the internet (was almost expecting not much... little did I know...) and found tons of info. :) Hmm... I'm trying to figure out when I've been able to turn one-liners into whole page essays (gotta get that talent working constantly... hmm). -- Chris Manning - wtknleo at voyager dot net - ICQ UIN 5409788 Davis on EsperNet and LunarNet (Still working on it...) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 16:58:34 PST From: "dawn fire" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: books I read Message-ID: <19980307005834.20563.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Hello and greetings from a newbie. Not sure if i'm doing this right but this is the first time i have de-lurked since being on the list. Someone (not sure who...can't keep up all that well yet) asked about other books that have been read. I wanted to bring up the books of Judith Tarr. She has two series out "The Hound and The Falcon" and "Avaryan Rising* that i really enjoyed and would recommend to anyone. I just fell in love with these books. Even before i began reading Misty's...which btw i started to read by accident. I was in a book club and forgot to send a card in and they sent TLHM trilogy in one bound addition. I read it instead of sending it back and it instantly became one of my favorites. Gayle...(newbie to the list) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 18:01:20 From: Becky To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Bridal/Other books/Escapism/First Misty Message-ID: <19980307010120.18804.qmail-+AT+-www01.netaddress.usa.net> Adrienne Metz wrote: > I also read a lot of Bridal Magazines and Guides and the such, > as I am engaged and planning a wedding. OOhh! Me too, I love bridal magazines, and catalogs, and weddings. I'm not engaged, but I have been planning my wedding since I was 7 years old. :) (Okay, so I'm just a bit obsessive) ====================== John said: > This brings up an interesting question. We know that all of us here are > fans of the Fantasy/Sci-Fi genre. What else do we read, though? Ever since I took an American Literature english class, I've really enjoyed many of the classic books (well most people do, bad books don't become classics) written by those authors. It is hard to name a specific genre, I really like Alexander Milne (I think he's a genious), Margaret Mitchell, Victor Hugo, Irving Stone, Shakespeare (of course), pretty much anything good. :) ==================== After reading the post I wrote about books and escaping, I realize that it really doens't make much sense. I swear it did when I wrote it though :) I ramble, and have a hard time focusing on what I'm trying to say, I get distracted easily We really can't escape reality by reading, books are a reflection of society, and the problems that occur. If we try to escape in books, we only get societies problems flung in our faces, and by reading the books, we are forced to understand how the problem is dealt with. Whether we will it or no, whatever book we are reading, we are being influenced by the author's ideas. We have to think what the author's philosophy is saying, and how it compares to our own. A lot of the time, this is happening unconsciously, but it is still happening. This is the way reading, or even watching movies, or pretty much anything is for me, and I know the reason for this too, it is because of the English class I'm taking this year. The teacher forces us to see what is really going on below the surface of a book, and what the author is saying. I think that if you stop and really think hard about it, you will realize that you can't escape by reading books. But I am so aware of it now, that it sometimes gets on my nerves, I am almost constantly looking under the surface, and am conscious of what is being said. Some other things that we do are escapes though, my daydreaming is certainly an escape, there are times I will write about how I wish my life were, that is escaping too. I also play Dragonrealms (online interactive RPG) that is also an escape for me, but it isn't entirely one, it is supposed to be a different world, but since the people "inhabiting" it are real people, many of the same problems I deal with in every day life, my character is forced to deal with in the game. There is no escape from reality anytime you are interacting with another person, or another person's thoughts. Hope that makes more sense, and clarifies things, I still don't think this came out quite right, but it is very hard to try and explain what I'm trying to explain in e-mail, I keep jumping ahead of myself. ==================== The first Misty book I ever read was Arrow's Flight I think, it gets hard to remember, a nagging little corner of my mind is insisting that it might have been By the Sword though. Well, one of those two at any rate. ==================== We can't depend on school to be interesting, we have to depend on ourselves to be interested -J. Pryor Lady Becky of the Hills Goddess of Tofu and Dry Breakfast Cereals Handmaiden of Procrastination High Priestess of Hyperness and Overbubliness E-mail: beckah-+AT+-usa.net ICQ: 3733571 ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 22:47:56 -0500 (EST) From: Mat the Cat in Green To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Robin McKinley/Anne McCaffrey/clergy/obMisty Message-ID: For those who were talking about Robin McKinley, I'm curious if you've heard of _Rose Daughter_. It's another Beauty and the Beast story she wrote. Came out in the summer, IIRC. Haven't read it yet, but I believe it's due out in pb this summer. I've heard it's good, but I'm waiting for the pb. :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, KATE REYNOLDS wrote: > We need help! My library co-worker and I are going crazy . . . John's > reposted message today referred to an Anne McCaffrey Pern book or short > story called Red Star Rising. We both love her books, but can't > remember that one,and can't It's the British (and possibly general European) name for the Pern book that came out right before Masterharper of Pern. I think it was _Chronicles of Pern: The Second Pass_ or something of that nature. RSR was the original name, but was changed for some reason when it was released in the States. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- On Sat, 7 Mar 1998, Becky wrote: > OOhh! Me too, I love bridal magazines, and catalogs, and weddings. I'm > not engaged, but I have been planning my wedding since I was 7 years > old. :) (Okay, so I'm just a bit obsessive) For a minute there, I thought I was going to have to change your title to "Handmatron of Procrastination" -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- hmm. ObMisty. Err....It was funny when Kory (former listsib) asked Misty about gay Companion sex at Dragon*con? Okay, that's not quite cutting it for an ObMisty How about, my first Misty book ever was the Andre Norton collab "Elvenbane". Next was MPawn. It's funny, cause I didn't even remember that I had read Misty. The only reason I made the connection is Misty's habit of using colons to represent Mindseach. That sent me search through my shelves to check it. Mat Cat Person, Champion in Green, God | "Eldest, Fairest, and Fallen . . . of Procrastination, filk vector, | greeting and defiance." -- A wizard Heathen #149, and OoUL/L of tLotPW | upon meeting the Lone Power. mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu | "Magic does not live in the unwilling http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/ | soul."-- Wizards' saying about magic ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 23:22:16 From: dprono-+AT+-planet.eon.net To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Many a SPLOSHinng... Message-ID: <3.0.3.16.19980306232216.24f7541a-+AT+-planet.eon.net> Hila! I thought that Heyla was getting a bit predictable, so I said hila instead. Sneaky, no? ;) Anyways, just as a general warning, I seem to be doing a heck of alot of soaking today. Therefore, it may be wize to get on a rain coat, or just skim through until you find either a) your name, or b) some Misty stuff. Good luck! :) >Welcome back Yvonne! Good to have the Mistress of SPLOSHing back >among us!!!! *Yvonne sweeps a curtsy to Muranog* Why thank you Milord! I am most pleased at thine welcome!! And for thine trouble, I give thee this humble token - *Hands him a large potato* ;) hey, it's better than a rutabega! Ana wrote: >Hmmm on that note: what's the book any of you have read the most >times? From beginning to end? Hmmm right back at you! I would have to say that I have read BTS the most from Misty - a nice quick read with no intimidating triologies. Non Misty, probibly... Humility Garden by Felicity Savage, or Guardian's Key by anne Logston, or perhaps ... well, I could go on, but I wont for fear of being POUNCED on for long, winding narratives. >>And I'd just like to say Happy Birthday to me. >>Liz SPLOSH!! Happy B-day! It was my dad's 50th today and he got a bunch of buzzards on our snowy lawn. Did you? (Or flamingos - you can get flamingos too!) Gee, first it was potatos, and now flamingos and buzzards. This is just weird... *X-files theme song plays eerily in the background* >Mine is next Wednesday <24, *Yvonne sneaks up behind Amber and* SPLOSH!! Happy B-day to you too! :) Who-ever said that buckets were just good for newbies?? ;) April - give your sis a good SPLOSH!! from me! Hope she and you get well soon! :) *****Ooo! Ooo! Some Misty!****** Frankly, I am a pretty exclusive fantasy reader, along with the occasional SF. I read the odd main-stream fiction, a classic every now and then, and I have this really bizzare talent for picking (& then plodding through) really bad mystery stories. Go Figure. If there are RL Gifts, I believe thata that is mine. Chris said: >2) Okay I am wondering What was your first Misty book? Mine was Magic's >Pawn quickly followed by MPromise and MPrice. I read Arrows of the Queen for the first time in grade six - it was so good that I would bring it into class with me, which got me in HEAPS AND HEAPS of trouble. My elementary teachers from grade five on hated me though, so that's not a real big surprise. >:::Delurk::: <<>> >Sarah, Daughter of Deori, The One >:::Relurk::: A farewell SPLOSH!! then?? ;) Hope that you dance outta the shadows once more to regal us with thine presence! >Hello and greetings from a newbie. *Yvonne creeps up behind Gayle, using a handy chair or two as cover, and...* SPLOSH!! Welcome to the Misty List! Questions, etc, feel free to bug all of the nice people with the Coucellor under their names, because if you asked me, I'd probibly just have to say 'Hum??' :) but aagain, welcome, and hope that you delurk often! Kris Frye said: >And now back to lurking... SPLOSH! Ha ha! One last parting shot!! :) Misty Here | | | \/ >We really can't escape reality by reading, books are a reflection of society, >and the problems that occur. If we try to escape in books, we only get >societies problems flung in our faces, and by reading the books, we are forced >to understand how the problem is dealt with. I think that by escaping, Milady Becky, most people mean that they are escaping from THEIR problems. While in a book, a society's problems are removed from our own (problems), and if we wished, we could put down the book and then their problems wouldn't be their concern anymore. It's also a concitration on someone else's problems, so therefore we can forget, for a breif momet, of our own. But unlike thine wizedom, I am but a lowly Art studet, and in High School at that. (Just one more year!! Hang on!!) I just re-read that, and that is extreamly garbled. Nevermind. *Hands Lady Becky a potato and wanders off, commenting on how nice a murel of a goldfish would be...* And the SERRA series? I just ( F I N A L L Y ! ) picked up Born To Run, so I can finally take part (soon, once I actually READ it...) in the (maybe) discussions of them! And I hope that there are some! :) So, until I see/write you all for the next time; may Irish Cream coffee coated chocolate with caramel and fudge filling sheep find you all (just one though, they are rather rich...) and potatos galore fall from the sky into your hands! :) Yvonne Shadowshape, bonded to Chiti, Chosen by Korla Goddess of Kelpies, Selkies, and the other Water-Borne Knight of Fluff *&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&* The Nerids pluck their lyres Where the green translucncy beats And with motionless eyes at gaze Make minstrily in the streets -Walter de la Mare, Sunk Lyoness ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 06:19:51 GMT From: "Lady Summersunshine" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Mini-braid--Escapism/Fave Books/Bedlam's Bard/Sheep Message-ID: <19980307061953.4825.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> *peeks out from lurkdom* my 2 cents on a few things... Escapism: I am most definitely an escapist reader. When I'm reading something really good I become totally immersed in the book; it's almost impossible to get my attention. Drives my mom nuts at dinner time! ^_^ Fave books: Misty: How could I possibly choose just one? Arrows of the Queen, By the Sword, Lark and Wren, and now Bedlam's Bard. NonMisty: Mara, Daughter or the Nile or anything by LM Montgomery. Speaking of Bedlam's Bard: I just got a great reminder of how much I love Misty. Until now I hadn't read any of Misty's urban fantasy(I generally don't go for modern stuff). Then I picked up Bedlam's Bard(in the grocery store) and couldn't put it down for 3 days. When I finished it I had to start all over again! That reminds me, are there any other books where Eric, Kory, or Beth show up? Last note: Happy, Fluffy, Birthday Sheep to Liz and Stasia!!!!! Hope you both have a wonderful year!! WTTW Listsibs *~*~*~*~*~*~* Lady of the Summer(aka Lisa) http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/4474 Archivst of Fluff and keeper of the Official Web Page of the Fluffian Order: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Rampart/4991 ICQ #: 6924601 I'm available to help anyone with braiding in hotmail. *~*~*~*~*~*~* ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 14:44:09 +0800 (SGT) From: Windsong To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Blood and Soil/Books I read Message-ID: <2.2.16.19980307144521.28af6e88-+AT+-pacific.net.sg> Heyla the List! >"Blood and Soil: After protracted negotiation, the contract for the >remaining Diana Tregarde books has been transformed, and instead of >more Diana and Andre detective novels, the new book will feature Andre >the Vampire fighting Nazi's in France during WWII." >-Vrondi I couldn't resist...*yippee!!! yay!!!!* I've been longing (like Vrondi *G*) for another book that featured Andre...I like him even *more* than Di. And now that my bout of insane rejoicing is over, I shall endeavour to get something resembling coherent discussion into this post. *laugh* ----------------------------- All right. Let's see. John asked what other 'non-Misty' book we read...hmm. Ok, I assume he meant other than sci-fic, fantasy books, so...I read some physics and chem books (out of interest not for school believe it or not *g*), classics, and some other contemporary fiction. Historical fiction *and* history books. So and so forth ad infinitum. *sigh* That wasn't too clear, was it? *g* Oh yeah, and poetry...am currently in the middle of _Birthday Letters_ by Ted Hughes. =) Ok, and as for the book that I've reread the most -- can't think of any off-hand, though _Magic's Pawn_ comes to mind. And _Jane Eyre_. And all the Eddings. Hmm...a winner! _The Ship who Searched_ by Anne McCaffrey. =) ------------------------------ Hmm...in reponse to Lady Becky's comments on escapism in reading -- what I originally meant was that people read to not think about their own lives. Not to escape reality, but more to immerse themselves in a world where they are just spectators, no matter how well written a book. After all, IMO, when you're reading, you don't *do* anything -- you just become so involved in what you're reading that the rest of the world doesn't matter (as my mum can testify to the number of times she's had to *drag* me to the table for a meal *g*). You don't have to think about your *own* life. *sigh* This isn't going to way it was supposed to. I'm not too good at putting thoughts down on paper, or text as this case may be *g* so please forgive me...=) I'll stop here. ------------------------------- Happy birthday to all the March people =) I'm one myself *yay*! and *hugs* to April and her sister. Hope she gets better soon -- for both your sakes. =) Walk in Peace always, Lady Windsong of Peace. 'Come what come may, Time and the hour runs though the roughest day.' -- Macbeth, Act I scene iii ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 01:39:38 -0500 From: "John E Morris" To: Subject: Re: Off topic question/answer Message-ID: <01bd4993$cd8f9080$e4109cd1-+AT+-default> >. John's reposted >message today referred to an Anne McCaffrey Pern book or short story called Red >Star Rising. We both love her books, but can't remember that one,and can't >even find anything about it using all our (vaunted) library resources Sorry - for some reason, though I live in Georgia and not England, I used the English title of the book released in the States as Dragonseye...sorry for the confusion John E. Morris ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 00:30:04 -0800 From: Niki Nibbe To: Mercedes Lackey Discussion Subject: Braid:escapism/fav books/LHM and sexuality Message-ID: <35010588.7362CE34-+AT+-earthlink.net> Once again I'm ignoring the 150 or so messages I need to respond to or archive or delete to respond to a couple of recent postings. Just wanted to say that I think Yvonne summed up the concept of "escapism" very well (and Lady Windsong, thanx for your clarification as well). Tho the arguments against escapism made some very good points (about layers and levels of meaning), I think they, either intentionally or unintenionally, misunderstood what was meant by escapism. I won't rehash Yvonne's argument since it was so well done. I'll just add that when I read a book, I can't put it down. Can be a terrible book, but once I'm in somebody else's world, I can't leave it until there's resolution (or until the book's done, since some really bad books don't have much resolution). This means that I sometimes finish a book as my alarm goes off in the morning, and I read at stop lights and as I walk down the hall. I've even tried reading while I showered, but that wasn't too successful. And all this isn't to escape "from" something or someplace, it's to escape "to" someplace. As far as most-read books, yikes. I have a tendency to stick with certain authors; as I finish one book, I go to the next. And with Misty, if I pick up a book, first it has to be the beginning of a trilogy, and once I've read that trilogy, I have to fill in all the blanks...so if I read LHM, then I have to get through Arrows and Winds. That's probably why I haven't been back to Oathbound in a while (that'd require me to read the whole set!) So I've read almost every book I have a minimum of two times, and an average of 3 or 4. My steady fantasy/sci fi authors are Misty, McCaffrey, C.J. Cherryh, and Marion Zimmer Bradley. My steady mystery authors are Dick Francis (okay, I've read almost every one of his books a minimum of 3-4 times) and Marcia Muller. I was exposed to fantasy/sci-fi when I was younger and didn't know it -- my 6th grade teacher read Narnia to us, and I absolutely loved Ursela Leguin's The Farthes Shore series, and Madeleine L'Engel's Wrinkle in time series, and in junior high school I was introduced to the M.Y.T.H. series. At some point I read Dune (before the movie came out). I also read one or two of Asimov's Robot series. But I never really got that these were a specific genre. I liked them for what they were, but I didn't go seeking for more. Oh, and I also read a Heinlein book at some point -- I knew that was sci fi, and that turned me off of sci fi for a while. When I was about 20, I had a roommate who urged me to reconsider my take on the genre, and to consider fantasy as well. She lent me Cherry's Pride of Chanur, Vonda McIntyre's Dreamsnake, and Misty's Oathbound. And the rest, as they say, is history. Oh, and even though I've been trying to keep very, very far away from the homosexuality discussion, I would like to share my first reading of LHM. I read it for the first time about five years ago. I enjoyed it, loved Vanyel, wept as he tried to kill himself, etc. But I have a tendency to forget specifics in books I read (probably why I can read the same book so many times -- with my Dick Francis mysteries I can by 2/3 of the way through before I realize I've read the darn thing before) until I either reread them or read associated books. Anyway, I was working at this place with a really nice guy who, it turns out, is a total fan of Vanyel, and had joined queens own, etc. And he was talking about how he could really relate to Vanyel, since he was gay too... and I ran back and read the book. Do you know, I didn't even blink when I read the book? I read a whole trilogy starring a man who was openly homosexual, and I never once found myself stopping to notice it. Now, I grew up in L.A., with some really enlightened parents and friends, and tend to be rather open-minded and nonjudmental, but I'm still surprised it didn't shock or affect me at least a little. At the very least, I'm very politically minded and watch for both positive and negative things an author might be saying or implying. But this is one of Misty's strengths: I understood that the book was talking about Vanyel being gay and having sexual relations with men, but that was incidental for me. What I was caught up in was the love stories, and Vanyel's pain, etc I was so completely engrossed in the story, and it so directly touched some of my own pain and my own loneliness, that it never mattered that I was a heterosexual female and he wasn't. He was human and lonely and I could feel his pain and his triumph... Okay. Enought of that. Think I'll go fry up some potatoes (they seem to be falling like rain here. Hmm...) Lady Niki, FBotFR ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 06:42:11 EST From: MMurphy300 To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Strong Fiction/Favorite book Message-ID: <3a74e593.35013295-+AT+-aol.com> I delurk to second Sorchafyr's opinion of "Dancer of the Sixth" by Michelle Shirey Crean ( I believe "Dancer's Luck" is by an author named Ann Maxwell) It was a find! For a long time there was a homepage for Crean but never any info on a forthcoming book. I wonder how many author's only have one book and then disappear? Another author - who keeps promising sequels - is David R. Palmer ( not to be confused with his very famous dad who also writes SF) His "Emergence" and "Threshold" were keepers. I am new to the list and to Misty's books. My friend who has read them all says I have many hours of reading pleasure ahead. Back to lurking. Mary in Augusta Ga ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 09:58:52 -0500 (EST) From: AERDEN-+AT+-delphi.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: [web page?] Message-ID: <01IUDQ0RJ8O294QAFB-+AT+-delphi.com> On 5-MAR-1998 23:30:06.3 mercedes-lackey said to AERDEN me>> And also, is hte list web page still up? The one with the me>> me>the list to see if anyone else w anted to take it over, and someone me>did (I forget who) and she copied all the pag es over to some adress me>at geocities, it might still be in existence over there, but I'm not me>certain. ==================== (snicker) It's findable. I did a Web search on 'Aerden' just for the heck of it, and came up with 200 some-odd entries, a great deal of which are for a Website that archives things from this list. You should be able to do a Websearch for your own listname the same way and get similar results. Chantal ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 11:54:18 EST From: Javelin397 To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Urban Fantasies Message-ID: In a message dated 05/03/98 21:50:37 GMT, you write: << I also dearly love the Diana Tregarde set. I think it is so pathetic that such finely entertaining work has brought harrassment on Misty, Larry, & co. I fully understand why she isn't writing more of them, and I'm glad we got the ones we got. But there's still part of me that would be ecstatic if she was ever able to write more Di books. >> Umm, well on the Firebird (www.firebirdarts.com) pages it says (It's talking about Blood and soil, the forthcoming book):- "After protracted negotiation, the contract for the remaining Diana Tregarde books has been transformed, and instead of more Diana and Andre detective novels, the new book will feature Andre the Vampire fighting Nazi's in France during WWII." , Hope this helps, I know I'm excited (Yay! Another book with Andre!) Re the suicide thing, I DO NOT think that you have to be insane to commit suicide, emotinally unbalanced, yes, I know from my attempt that I wasn't exactly at peace with myself, unlike Vanyel at 15 I didn't know "Who I was, what I wanted and who I wanted it with." I was severley confused and I thought that a) the world would be a better off place without me and b) no-one would miss me anyway. It was shortly after this that I got into LHM first of all and I really sympathised with Van at the beginning, even to the point that I realised that I had been doing what he did, cutting myself off emotionally from all other people, afraid that if I cared I would get hurt. Even now i'm not the most approachable person in the universe, as many people will tell you, but I think i'm getting better. *G* As a slight spin on this question and COMPLETELY un-Misty if you think people who attempt suicide are insane what are your views on euthanasia? >>Hmmm on that note: what's the book any of you have read the most times? From beginning to end?<< Umm, as ashamed I am to admit it but it's probably The House at Pooh Corner (Ashamed! What am I thinking of? A.A. Milne's great!)*G* Happy Birtday to Amber and Liz. Mine's 2 weeks today (21 March, first day of spring yay!) and I know HUNDREDS of people who have their Birthdays in March. The July of the year before must have been boring! *G* > This brings up an interesting question. We know that all of us here are > fans of the Fantasy/Sci-Fi genre. What else do we read, though? Ben Elton, Douglas Coupland, Robert Rankin, (Kinda fantasy, but funny!), I love Winnie the Pooh (I get accused of being sensible at times, this compensates) I'm a huge Oscar Wilde fan, currently I am reading a LOT of Thomas Hardy and I'll read anything put in front of me. My first Misty book was "If I pay thee not in gold" and I really liked the idea of Ware/Wara. I then got into LHM, I read the books in a really strange order:- LHM, Mage Wars, Storms, Oathbound, Arrows, Winds, BTS. And I *still* haven't read Owlflight. Hugs to all Javelin Knight of Fluff (I got a title! Yay!) "I have a very firm grasp on reality! I can reach out and strangle it at any time!" ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1515 **********************************