MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1517

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Holderkin Goddess???
	by dprono-+AT+-planet.eon.net
  2) Re: Urban Fantasies
	by Ben Schollnick <bscholl-+AT+-eznet.net>
  3) Re: Holderkin Goddess???
	by Chris Manning <wtknleo-+AT+-voyager.net>
  4) Re: How are you guys missing this?, other books
	by "John E Morris" <JEATONM-+AT+-prodigy.net>
  5) Re: How are you guys missing this?
	by LCM46 <LCM46-+AT+-aol.com>
  6) Re: How are you guys missing this?
	by Niki Nibbe <madlink4-+AT+-earthlink.net>
  7) Re: How are you guys missing this?
	by Kenneth Allen Hyde <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
  8) Re: How are you guys missing this?
	by Niki Nibbe <madlink4-+AT+-earthlink.net>
  9) braid:lots and lots
	by Ana Cotton <cousinshirley-+AT+-rocketmail.com>
 10) Re: How are you guys missing this?
	by Kago23618 <Kago23618-+AT+-aol.com>
 11) OBound/Fiddlers Faire
	by skyfire-+AT+-t-online.de (skyfire)
 12) braid
	by "Marv Watson" <skywolf-+AT+-washington.sbceo.k12.ca.us>
 13) Red Star Rising
	by "marty l. adkins" <adkinslawfirm-+AT+-mindspring.com>
 14) Re: OBound/Fiddlers Faire + what we read
	by Eleonora Scoseria <eleonora-+AT+-www.multi.com.uy>
 15) questions from a newbie
	by katiekins2-+AT+-juno.com (Katie Snyder)
 16) Re: Holderkin Goddess???
	by SenayRed <SenayRed-+AT+-aol.com>

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Date: 	Sun, 08 Mar 1998 18:25:37
From: dprono-+AT+-planet.eon.net
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Holderkin Goddess???
Message-ID: <3.0.3.16.19980308182537.2fcf53d4-+AT+-planet.eon.net>

>That brings ME to a "reading" question. 
<snip>
> I've spent many an afternoon just staring at my library,
>wondering what will satisfy me to reading.  Am I the only one who goes
>through this?

	heh, Amber, -I- thought that I was the only one! Sometimes I go to the
library and pick up five or six books, read one, then decide that you dont
wanna read the rest. They just dont feel right.

	I was just beginning to re-read AotQ today, and i noticed that the
Holderkin worship a Goddess. Does this seem strange to you? I mean, they
are a patriarchial (sp?) society, so wouldn't they then follow a male God?
Or am I missing something? Comments? Do not pass go, do not collect $200? ;)



	Yvonne Shadowshape, bonded to Chiti, Chosen by Korla
	Goddess of Kelpies, Selkies, and the other Water-Borne
	Knight of Fluff

*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&* 

The Nerids pluck their lyres
Where the green translucncy beats
And with motionless eyes at gaze
Make minstrily in the streets
	-Walter de la Mare, Sunk Lyoness

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Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 21:17:44 -0500 (EST)
From: Ben Schollnick <bscholl-+AT+-eznet.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Urban Fantasies
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980308205030.31492B-100000-+AT+-shell1.eznet.net>


> Re the suicide thing, I DO NOT think that you have to be insane to commit
> suicide, emotinally unbalanced, yes, I know from my attempt that I wasn't
> exactly at peace with myself, unlike Vanyel at 15 I didn't know "Who I was,
> what I wanted and who I wanted it with."   I was severley confused and I
> thought that a) the world would be a better off place without me and b) no-one
> would miss me anyway.  It was shortly after this that I got into LHM first of
> all and I really sympathised with Van at the beginning, even to the point that
> I realised that I had been doing what he did, cutting myself off emotionally
> from all other people, afraid that if I cared I would get hurt.  Even now i'm
> not the most approachable person in the universe, as many people will tell
> you, but I think i'm getting better. *G*

I certainly know the feeling... I had my Girl Friend (basically) die in my
arms... 

Even now after roughly 6 years, it's sometimes hard for me to not get
depressed, and just wallow in self-pity... 

(And I really *HATE* whoever came up with the quote: "It's better to have
loved, and lost, then to never love..." (I believe that's the exact
quote?)... IMHO, it's worse, after all now you know what your missing...)

But for several months, after Tammy died, I really didn't know what to do,
and so forth.  I occasionally thought about Suicide, but it's against my
nature... I never acted on it, because I considered it to be a poor
choice, a "cop-out".... etc... (Sorry I can't do much better than that,
it's a "gut" instinct... type of decision....)

> As a slight spin on this question and COMPLETELY un-Misty if you think people
> who attempt suicide are insane what are your views on euthanasia?  

Now that's a tricky question....

I'd have to say that it depends on the circumstances and *why* euthanasia
was performed... 

Personally, I think that euthanasia (or the right to die) is in a person's
rights, just like the right to live is.  For example, a cancer patient
certainly has the right to die if they choose they can't continue (or for
whatever reason).  

Now that *DOESN'T* mean I need to agree with their reasons... >g<  But I
can't see a rational reason to strap someone down and force them to
continue.  Are we suppose to have a suicide watch for this person for the
rest of their life?

If it was someone that I knew, I certainly would sit down and speak to
them and play Devil's Advocate as best as I could... After all, I've had
too many important people in my life be visited by Mr. Reaper.... 
But.........I can only do so much...

		- Ben


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Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 21:34:03 -0500
From: Chris Manning <wtknleo-+AT+-voyager.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Holderkin Goddess???
Message-ID: <3503551B.23E5-+AT+-voyager.net>

dprono-+AT+-planet.eon.net wrote:
> 
>         I was just beginning to re-read AotQ today, and i noticed that the
> Holderkin worship a Goddess. Does this seem strange to you? I mean, they
> are a patriarchial (sp?) society, so wouldn't they then follow a male God?
> Or am I missing something? Comments? Do not pass go, do not collect $200? ;)
> 
Well, I know from reading the trilogy, somewhere it is mentioned that
the Gods are the superiors while the Goddesses are the lowers in the
Holderkin religion(I know there is textevd somewhere, but I tried
looking, and just aren't good at detailed word searching... I'm sure the
reference is in either AotQ or AFlight though).
--
Chris Manning - wtknleo at voyager dot net - ICQ UIN 5409788
Lunar - Phantasy Star - Magic Knight RayEarth
Davis on EsperNet and LunarNet

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Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 22:17:09 -0500
From: "John E Morris" <JEATONM-+AT+-prodigy.net>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: How are you guys missing this?, other books
Message-ID: <01bd4b09$d8d70140$90109cd1-+AT+-default>



>it?)...You obviously don't "understand what y'all are trying to get
across."
    Yeah, I do get what y'all are trying to get across - the point is that
Van's homosexuality was relatively unimportant to the main storyline of the
book. I choose to debate this point, personally, since Van (as a fairly
stereotypical gay character in the beginning) would never have been sent to
Haven, never met Tylendel and never become a Herald or a Mage hade he not
been gay.  I also think to consider Vanyel's sexuality unimportant wilfully
denies a major facet of the story..  It's kind of like saying, "Gee, that
Othello...I never knew he was black..."  It's not the MOST important thing,
but it sure as hell figures into the mix.
    Oh yeah, and don't mock the Southern dialect.  We are very proud of our
language, and do not like to be made fun of because of it.
>when I read Arrows, I didn't think "oh, my; Talia and Dirk are a
HETEROSEXUAL
>couple" or "wow, Talia and Kris are heterosexuals."  >
Of course you didn't.  Characters who are "normal" don't stand out to other
people who are "normal"

>I don't think that it was as much that they didn't NOTICE, John, as much as
>it wasn't a "Oh my God, I'm reading about a GAY couple" reaction

Forgive me if I have misremembered here, but I seem to recall that the
phrasing I was refering to said that the person in question did not REALIZE
that Vanyel was gay.  This doesn't mean "It didn't jump out at me, it didn't
really make a difference", no...It means "I didn't know that Van was gay.

This is a sort of general response...when I asked what non-genre fiction the
rest of us read, I meant non-fantasy, non-sci-fi stuff.  That's really what
I was curious about...oh well.

John E. Morris


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Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 23:29:11 EST
From: LCM46 <LCM46-+AT+-aol.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: How are you guys missing this?
Message-ID: <3ba97ce8.35037019-+AT+-aol.com>

Your Laundry Goddess ascends from the basement, having found a file in
someone's pants pockets and therefore breaking the chains keeping her bound to
the washer----

I've gotta break out from lurker-dom to comment on this issue:
       
In a message dated 98-03-08 22:32:44 EST, JEatonMorris writes:

<< 
 Forgive me if I have misremembered here, but I seem to recall that the
 phrasing I was refering to said that the person in question did not REALIZE
 that Vanyel was gay.  This doesn't mean "It didn't jump out at me, it didn't
 really make a difference", no...It means "I didn't know that Van was gay.
  >>

Having read all the 'letters' on this issue--it stikes me that those who
claimed innocence re: Van's sexuality were those that admitted reading the
book when 12 to 14 years of age.  Granted, youth today is much "smarter" at an
earlier age, but, if they were brought up not hearing about homosexuality, the
parts about Van just may have gone over their heads, so to speak.  It just
could have 'read' as a very nice, close friendship???  I dunno---that's just
my 2 cents---I doubt that my 'reading' daughter would have caught the meaning
at age 14, and she's not stupid by any stretch of the imagination.  Let's give
them the benefit of the doubt.  Not everyone can 'relate' to gay at that age.

Uh oh---they hear me typing---I'd better hide before they drag me back to the
basement.

Keep on keepin' on

                                Lorraine
                                Goddess of Domesticity/Laundry
                                Appreciator of Penguins


But I'm not dead yet!
Monty Python/Holy Grail

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Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 21:09:24 -0800
From: Niki Nibbe <madlink4-+AT+-earthlink.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: How are you guys missing this?
Message-ID: <35037984.15F-+AT+-earthlink.net>

My apologies to all listsibs who might be tired of this particular
discussion (argument?)  This is relatively OT, and I promise any future
discourse will be held off the list.  But since this included a few
people on the list, I thought it might sill be OK to be posted.

<<John said: "oh, yeah, and don't mock the Southern diaect.  We are very
proud of our language, and do not like to be made fun of because of
it.">>

I can only assume you're talking about my including "y'all" in my
reply.  I wasn't mocking southern dialect.  Now, while I have a tendency
to speak that way myself, in this case, I was DIRECTLY quoting you.  I
chose not to remove the word "y'all" from what YOU said (why should I?)
-- wasn't meant to sound like I was trying to make fun of you.  I think
you're trying to be difficult now; getting upset when I quote your
sentences, telling me I'm making fun of your words. 

Secondly, perhaps I wasn't real clear when I said "I didn't realize Van
was gay" -- which is why I wrote in to clarify.  And no, you do not
"get" what I was saying.  Your take ("the point is that Van's
homosexuality was relatively unimportant to the main storyline") is
completely off-base.  That's not what either of us was trying to say. 
(and I spent quite a while on my last post talking about Van and his
life and about how his father discriminates against him, etc., yet you
ignore this in your response.)  You even go on to get close to the point
(unintentionally).  You say "Of course you didn't [notice Kris and Talia
are heterosexal].  Characters who are 'normal' don't stand out to other
people who are normal."  [I'll leave aside the discussion on "normal"
for now, but you know nothing about me, so I suggest you not presume
"normality" for me without at least attempting to learn a bit more about
me.]  Well, you're making my point for me -- Vanyel and Lendel and Stef
DIDN'T stand out to me either:they seemed just as "normal"... *sigh*  I
don't know whether I'm really being obscure, or if you're just choosing
to ignore anything I say that doesn't fit your perception.

And John, you quote Amber and then refute what she says (<<"I don't
think that it was as much that they didn't NOTICE, John, as it wasn't a
'Oh my god, I'm reading about a GAY couple' reaction">>), saying
"no...it means 'I didn't know Van was gay."  Well, darnit, John, I'm the
one who started this whole thing, and I wrote in and said that, yes,
"Amber had it right, that's what I meant, exactly," yet you insist on
writing in and saying that's not what I meant.  

I'd like to move on from this topic if it's just me and John writing
back and forth.  If anyone wants to continue this discussion, email me
at madlink4-+AT+-earthlink.net

Now, the reason I brought this up in the first place, was to point out
that Misty did a great job.  Most "straight" authors, when they do have
gay characters, they are rather stereotypical (if not the negative
flighty male -- like people have been complaining about with McCaffrey,
then the author is trying to be "progressive" and uses that whole
"spritual, in touch with sensitivity" thing that was being protested
recently).  Although it's interesting that, tho Misty's had some shaych
women, she really hasn't explored these. That's something I'd really
like to see.  

Yikes.  I'll step down now.  *glancing around, hoping to avoid any
baelfire that might be warming up*  Sorry for going on and on, but I
hate being misunderstood.  I'm even open to criticisms and
misunderstandings the first time around. (though criticisms don't
necessarily have to be presented in the form of Shouting and scorn.  I
especially dislike scorn...) But when I clarify and my points are
ignored and more derision is heaped on me, I get a bit peeved.  I'm
gonna go study for my tests and chill out now...I promise when I come
back I'll be sunny again. :-}


Zhai'helleva

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Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 00:09:25 -0500 (EST)
From: Kenneth Allen Hyde <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
To: Misty Lackey List <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: How are you guys missing this?
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980309000025.4792A-100000-+AT+-copland.udel.edu>

On Mon, 9 Mar 1998, LCM46 wrote:

> Having read all the 'letters' on this issue--it stikes me that those who
> claimed innocence re: Van's sexuality were those that admitted reading
> the book when 12 to 14 years of age.  Granted, youth today is much
> "smarter" at an earlier age, but, if they were brought up not hearing
> about homosexuality, the parts about Van just may have gone over their
> heads, so to speak.  It just could have 'read' as a very nice, close
> friendship??? 

I have to say that I agree with John on this one.  I am completely at a
loss to think how anyone (no matter how "innocent" or sheltered) could
possibly read the Last Herald Mage and not know that Vanyel was gay.  I
mean, Misty makes if rather explicitly clear in the narration that
Tylendel is gay (if fact, there is a specific scene at court where Vanyel
is told this) and I think you would have to be in really major denial to
not understand that Van and 'Lendel are lovers by the end of the book (the
line to Withen about Van "playing ewe to Tylendel's ram" is pretty
explicit as well as Jaysen's problems with Van gayness.  I suppose that if
you were 10 years old and very sheltered (i.e. didn't even know what sex
was), it might be possible to read the books and just not understand, but
I'm fairly sure that even a very naive person would have to realize that
something was going on, even if they weren't quite sure what.

Oh, and I agree with John on another point.  Y'all just do not need to be
making fun of Southern speech.  After all, y'all are the ones who don't
have a distinct 2nd person plural pronoun. *giggle*  /me goes off to curl
up with his new "Heritage of Southern Cooking" book and sighs "I miss
Oklahoma...although, come to think of it, I don't miss it right now since
we're heading into Tornado Season."

May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit,

Cennydd
Councilor of Mist

Kenneth Allen Hyde     |  No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife
Univ. of Delaware      |  between the shoulder blades will seriously
Dept. of Linguistics   |  cramp his style  -- Old Jhereg proverb
kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu         |  A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me

//www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/prof/ken.html



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Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 21:26:35 -0800
From: Niki Nibbe <madlink4-+AT+-earthlink.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: How are you guys missing this?
Message-ID: <35037D8B.70D2-+AT+-earthlink.net>

Really quickly, wanted to say that the Goddess of Domesticity/Laundry
had a good point about possibly not "getting" the implications.  Though
I was about 19 or 20 at the time, I was not yet sexually aware, in any
sense of the word.  The Shaych relationship was just as foreign as a
hetero relationship -- I had no basis on which to judge either, so I
refrained from any judment.  AT that point in my life, though I actually
was aware of the sexual aspect of Van's relationships, they were just as
foreign to me as Talia & Kris's relationship.  And yes, I could
recognize that Van was being persecuted in his home for his sexuality; I
was ostracized and teased because my classmates thought I was a lesbian
simply because I had NO sexual preference (read: if you're not boy-crazy
and ultra-feminine and demure, you're not acceptible as a woman in this
society).  And I wasn't about to try to distance myself from that
accusation or try to prove them wrong by acting more "straight" or
"normal" -- I never thought there was anything "wrong" with
homosexuality.  It just got lumped in with sex in general -- all of
which was fine for ther people, but not of interest to me. It was just
kind of bizarre to have people think I was sexually interested in
anybody.

*sigh* Okay, I checked and there are no new messages waiting, so I think
I can turn the computer off now.

Lady Niki

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Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 22:18:44 -0800 (PST)
From: Ana Cotton <cousinshirley-+AT+-rocketmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: braid:lots and lots
Message-ID: <19980309061844.4821.rocketmail-+AT+-web4.rocketmail.com>

Emily the Invisisble said, in response to my comment about a sequel
to Mairelon the Magician:
>Yes, that is indeed a sequel.>
Ana jumps up and down, yippeee! woohoo! I'll attempt to restrain
myself now.
-------------------
Stasia asked:
>That brings ME to a "reading" question.  Does anyone else get a
>"feeling" when it comes to picking up a book <whether it be one from
>your own library, the community library, or the bookstore> that you
>HAVE to read a certain book at a certain time, and you aren't
>satisfied with any other book you may try to read? >>>
OH YES! I have a rather large, diverse library of my own, and I have
times when I cannot find a thing to read. I may pick up and discard
five or six books, or more before finding something to read. Heck,
there have been times when I have actually said: I have nothing to
read.
--------------=========
Shadowdancer wrote:
>I also (shock horror shiver) like some romance stories. Especialy the
>Gothic ones.>>>
Gothic isn't that bad. My prob is the ones where the heroine *HAS*
to fall in love with the guy, be he nice or an absolute jerk. I also
tend to dislike the ones that go really serious, and life threatening.
---------------
Izzy wrote:
>Reading in class-Did that till now. This is the first school I've
>been in that I actually have to pay attention to get good grades.
>(Gotta love those CA public schools!) Granted, I still draw/write
>notes for stories during classes like math, music, etc. (Like I'll
>need this. Feh.)>>>>
*giggle* I wrote an entire short story in my Radio production class.
And I have written most of my Halls of Mist posts in that same
class. Well, its either that or fall asleep! (I'm sorry, but, like,
I knew that CD players read the underside of the CD!)--one of the
many, many little boring things my Prof impresses upon us feeble
minded students.
-------
Rainbow said:
>Talking of Van, and him being Shay'a'chern <snip> I noticed it and
>thought 'ut oh, DON'T let Mum see this....' Strict family, luckily
>Mum and Dad hardly read, but I didn't think 'argh how HORRIBLE,
yuk, >disgusting'>
Don't I bloody well know it. There's a *reason* I made both my
sisters read LHM.  
----------- 
Ben wrote:
>"It's better to have loved, and lost, then to never love..." >
(Ana digs out the her Oxford Dictionary of Quotations)
That would be Alfred, Lord Tennyson (1809-1892) who said:
"'Tis better to have loved and lost. Than never to have loved at all."
And Samuel Butler (1835-1902) wrote:
"'Tis better to have loved and lost, than never to have lost at all."
----------
John said:
>This is a sort of general response...when I asked what non-genre
>fiction the rest of us read, I meant non-fantasy, non-sci-fi stuff. 
>That's really what I was curious about...oh well.>>
I *did* answer and say what other fic I read! (yeah I know, I also
stated which other SF/F I read too, and I will *not* use the excuse
that 'oh, but everyone else was doing it' either. I did it because I
like plugging my fave authors.). Hell, I even admitted to
*gasp*horror* reading, and enjoying Regency Romances! You want more?
Hmm, Ok, I still read the Saddle Club series, and the Thoroughbred
series, and I like reading Elizabeth Peters (hard to catie her,
she's mystery/romance/archeology). Oh, and Barbara Michaels....
===
Hugs, Ana, proud Knight of Fluff. Watch "Three"! 
"So, I stole Niles' ovaries!"-Frazier to his father. 
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Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 04:08:54 EST
From: Kago23618 <Kago23618-+AT+-aol.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: How are you guys missing this?
Message-ID: <88ed7839.3503b1a8-+AT+-aol.com>

Ok, not to beat a dead horse or anything, but calm down people, geesh...
haven't you ever read a book and totally missed something?

oh, and ken-+AT+-udel.... I'd usually applaud you for missing Okla (ain't it
great?, I mean y'all just have no idea how friendly the people are here) but
right now It's very cold & trying to snow/rain/something... wait a couple of
months ;)

lets see... other authors: Eco, Davies, Hawking, Tolstoy, Crichton, Grishom
(hey... a little fluff never hurt anyone)

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Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 17:02:14 -0800
From: skyfire-+AT+-t-online.de (skyfire)
To: ML mailing list <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: OBound/Fiddlers Faire
Message-ID: <35049116.FCCC116-+AT+-t-online.de>

In the last digest I read that _Oathbound_ and _Fiddler's Faire_ are
already out in the US and I, sitting here in ol' Germany can't even
order them! <grrr>

re FF:
There wasn't much info on the Baen? homepage, so would somebody be
willing to tell me what stories it contains? All of her short stories or
just a selection? 

re Oathbound:
Somebody remarked (complained?) that it contains "old" stuff from the
previous books. 
Since it was announced as a collection of *all* the T & K short stories
(is it?), some of which where back then published as _Oathbreakers_
(with some rewriting and re-editing, methinks), one should be rather
glad: no more running around searching for out-of-print S & S volumes.
;)


sinking back into lurkerdom

Khenta Blaufalk					   skyfire-+AT+-t-online.de
aka Skyfire k'Vala, bonded to Aar
Goddess of Incomplete Vocabulary and Garbled Grammar
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Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 09:58:27 -0800
From: "Marv Watson" <skywolf-+AT+-washington.sbceo.k12.ca.us>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: braid
Message-ID: <01bd4b84$f67a0500$ba8030cc-+AT+-skywolf>

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In responce to the "what other books does everyone read" question, I'd =
have to say that I read just about anything.  What I like a little more =
than the others (besides fantasy) is pop sub-culture (I don't even know =
if this is a genre, I'm making it up as I go) that is slowly (but =
thankfully) moving over into mainstream fiction.  Right now I'm =
currently terrifying the library with the cartloads of books I'm =
checking out (grin). =20

    Happy Birthday to anyone with a birthday in March!!! (Yes, I'm not =
very lucid right now, but that's just ok)=20

ObMisty- I wonder if anyone could tell me the sites where you can find =
all of Misty's up and coming stuff.

Andone more thing, can anyone tell me how to get this annouying double =
print of what I've said when I post?  I've been noticing it when I look =
at my messages and mentally wince.  Thank you ever so...

Swingfully Yours,
Skywolf and Misha
Priestess in the Order of John the Guitar Player
Dames of the OAM

"An' it don't mean a thing, If it ain't got that swing..."
    :  )  (  :=20
=20

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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Happy Birthday to =
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>ObMisty- I wonder if anyone could =
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Andone more thing, can anyone tell =
me how to get=20
this annouying double print of what I've said when I post?&nbsp; I've =
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noticing it when I look at my messages and mentally wince.&nbsp; Thank =
you ever=20
so...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Swingfully Yours,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Skywolf and Misha</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Priestess in the Order of John the =
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; :&nbsp; )&nbsp; =
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Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 13:04:40 -0500
From: "marty l. adkins" <adkinslawfirm-+AT+-mindspring.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Red Star Rising
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980309130440.0068b35c-+AT+-pop.mindspring.com>

_Red Star Rising_ was the original title for what was later published as
_Dragonseye_.  We were on vacation for a week and so are just now getting
caught up on backlist--50+ digest postings in ye olde inne-boxe!  Fun, but
worse than cramming for final exams.  Normally, I'd wait to see if anyone
else addressed this, but was afraid I'd forget to respond.  

After all, we can't have our librarians [especially listsib ones] wasting
their time looking for books that don't exist, when they can be doing much
more useful things--like stocking _Oathblood_, so it's available by
interlibrary loan.  There, an obMisty [whew of relief].

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Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 15:14:53 -0300
From: Eleonora Scoseria <eleonora-+AT+-www.multi.com.uy>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: OBound/Fiddlers Faire + what we read
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980309151453.007bcdf0-+AT+-www.multi.com.uy>

At 16:44 9/03/98 GMT, Khenta (welcome back, BTW!) wrote:
>In the last digest I read that _Oathbound_ and _Fiddler's Faire_ are
>already out in the US and I, sitting here in ol' Germany can't even
>order them! <grrr>

I can't begin to tell you how much I sympathise. I live in South America,
in Uruguay, and there are no bookstores that will order the books I want
<sigh>.
Have you tried ordering through the net?  I order regularly from Amazon,
Future Fantasy, and a former listmember who owns a bookstore, and it helps.
I do have some sort of unresolved Post Awful problem, tho. Some things take
a week and others take 3 months <shudder>. Go figure! 


>re Oathbound:
>Somebody remarked (complained?) that it contains "old" stuff from the
>previous books. 
>Since it was announced as a collection of *all* the T & K short stories
>(is it?), some of which where back then published as _Oathbreakers_
>(with some rewriting and re-editing, methinks), one should be rather
>glad: no more running around searching for out-of-print S & S volumes.
>;)


Well, yes, I also heard a comment about the novella included with it being
not so good, so I can't say I am dying to lay hands on it. What I do regret
tho, is that such cool characters as Tarma and Kethry should not get more
in the way of meaningful novels, and just rate a quick collection of old
material.

=====

On another subject, I think it was John that asked what else we read. I
have been meaning to reply for days but life has been hectic (I know, i
know, those who know me well know that my life ALWAYS seems hectic, but
let's say it has been particularly so).

I do a lot of reading for work and research and my doctorate, so when I do
get to recreational reading I tend to go for completely out of this world
stuff =)
Hence my love of fantasy. I also read Science Fiction, tho not as often now
as I used to. Let's say that reading LotR steered me a bit away from SF and
definitely into Fantasy.
As for SF, I heartily recommend David Feintuch's Fisherman saga, or however
it is called. I also LOVED the first 3 books in the Hyperion series by Dan
Simmons. And I hear the fourth is even better. 

Other than that I occasionally read biographies, historical novels, and
thrillers. I am ashamed to say that most of my reading is in English, tho
my native lang is Spanish. It was sort of a conscious decision. I was
finishing my English studies and did not want my English to become rusty,
so I started reading in English even more than I did already. 

My reading in Spanish is mostly poetry (I love Garcia Lorca, Becquer and
Benedetti) and the occasional novel by Isable Allende. Also plays, when I
am in one of my acting phases. 

Wow! How I have rambled!

Well, those were my .02 =)

Peace,

Ele
Councilor of Mist



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Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 15:07:52 -0600
From: katiekins2-+AT+-juno.com (Katie Snyder)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: questions from a newbie
Message-ID: <19980309.150831.11598.5.katiekins2-+AT+-juno.com>

Hey all!

I just joined the list, and would like to introduce myself and ask a
couple questions.

I'm Katie, and (like all) enjoy Misty's books, as well as most fantasy
and most books in general.

I was wondering, is the fact that Vanyel was shaych all that important? 
I mean, I know it was a major part of the book and all, but the whole
point was that it didn't matter that he was shaych, he was a person just
like everyone else, with problems all people can relate to.  Why are we
making such a big deal out of it when Misty didn't?  (Okay,  know I'm new
here, and I probably shouldn't start out criticizing, but I just signed
on and have already gotten about 20 messages about this, and I'm starting
to get a little annoyed.)

Also, a comment about suicide.  (The rest of the messages I've gotten
seem to be about this -- I must say, this is *not* the best introduction
I've ever had)  I don't think a person has to be insane, though I think a
lot of people who commit suicide are (at least temporarily).  Personally,
I've thought about suicide (not about actually doing it, just thinking
about it), and I am not insane, but the only reason I don't actually
consider it is because I really don't have the guts to inflict pain upon
myself.  I personally think that whatever comes after this life is better
than what I'm going through now, and I can't blame people for wanting to
go someplace better.

Anyway, enough deep talk and rambling.

Lots of smiles
Katie  : )

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Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:53:17 EST
From: SenayRed <SenayRed-+AT+-aol.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Holderkin Goddess???
Message-ID: <676d4f22.350464d0-+AT+-aol.com>

:::Delurk:::
Holderkin worship a God, controlling and very icky, just like the men of their
society. They also have a Goddess (which the women follow) who is subservient,
veiled and the one who is controlled by the God.
Sarah
:::Relurk:::

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