MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1519 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Friendship Ring by "Fallenangel" 2) Re: How are you guys missing this?/braid of reading by "Chris Goldbach" 3) Re: Braid by Greg Wooledge 4) list resources page by "Vrondi" 5) Braid: reactions/other stuff by Windsong 6) books / questions / writing by katiekins2-+AT+-juno.com (Katie Snyder) 7) Braid by Chris Manning 8) Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 1518 by brianben-+AT+-worldnet.att.net 9) by "Terrae N. Loucks" 10) Re: by troll-+AT+-netcomuk.co.uk 11) I've found kindred spirits! by Danielle May Marrone 12) Hall of Mist by Tifalheart-+AT+-webtv.net (April Hunt) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 18:06:52 -0000 From: "Fallenangel" To: Subject: Friendship Ring Message-ID: <003501bd4c4f$6e2cd080$298185a1-+AT+-skkohnkedelta.edu> The Passing of the Friendship Ring (as short as possible so I can get back to work! *smile*) FallenAngel sighs and glances about the Great Hall. The party has begun to die down, and most everyone has retreated into corners to carry on quiet conversations or have drifted out of the Hall. She stands and drifts forward, drawn by a strange force. She walks by the great Library, (only pausing briefly to drool over the sheer amount of books, including a complete listing of Misty's *grin*) before moving on. In the center of the Hall, a rather petite Zebra Centaur charges onto the dance floor with a joyous shout. Suddenly knowing what she has to do, Fallenangel walks up to KTara. "Welcome to the Hall, KTara. My name is Fallenangel, and this is Isis," she adds as her winged black panther bondmate comes up beside her. Fallenangel removes the Ring from her finger and places it on KTara's. "We thank you for your contributions and the life that you have given to the list, and hope that you will continue to do so. And I hope that the restrictions placed upon you by RL lighten soon." Fallenangel smiles and turns to walk away, noticing a tri-band ring appear on her finger as she does so. :Come on, Isis, let's find that Library.: Fallenangel ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Kathryn Shannon Lady of OOPS Member of Mistic Circle http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/9421 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 16:57:44 PST From: "Chris Goldbach" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: How are you guys missing this?/braid of reading Message-ID: <19980311005744.22808.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Amber wrote: >That brings ME to a "reading" question. Does anyone else get a "feeling" >when it comes to picking up a book library, the community library, or the bookstore> that you HAVE to read a >certain book at a certain time, and you aren't satisfied with any other >book you may try to read? This happens to me quite often, but there is >usually a problem with it. My "feeling" doesn't tell me what book I should >be reading. I've spent many an afternoon just staring at my library, >wondering what will satisfy me to reading. Am I the only one who goes >through this? > I have almost completely stopped going to the library. Not only because I can never seem to return the books right on time but because I get the exact same feeling!! I will go into the library and stay there for hours because I know that there is a book that i really need to read at right now but I won't know which one it is until I pick it up. That is why when I do go into the library or into a book store i will either go straight to the Mercedes Lackey section or I make sure that I know the book I want ahead of time because of a friends recomendation. It is very hard for me to find that book that I know I want when I go in there. so yes I know exactly how you feel!! Wind to thy wings Chris and Safa ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 20:30:32 -0500 From: Greg Wooledge To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Braid Message-ID: <19980310203032.13880-+AT+-phoenix.local> marty l. adkins (adkinslawfirm-+AT+-mindspring.com) wrote: > As for why I read, it's for the simplest reason of all: I have to. Robert Heinlein describes a character with a reading addiction in "Glory Road", I believe. It's not central to the plot or anything, but it's mentioned there. I can't say I have the same problem -- I do like to read, of course, but not to that extreme. > Louisa May Alcott [don't let her > prim reputation fool you; this is a woman whose father was fired from one > of the more prestigious schools in Boston for teaching black kids in the > same classroom as the white ones. She herself was something of a social > radical, writing about equal rights and education for women and mutual > responsibility and trust in relationships. Cornelia Meigs' Newbery-winning > biography, _Invincible Louisa_ is very highly recommended]... I did an in-depth paper on her in high school. Obviously she's best known for _Little_Women_ and similar books, but she also wrote Gothic romances (under a pen name, probably 'cause she needed the money). She was also a nurse during the Civil War, and caught some sort of disease (I forget which one) in one of the germ-infested hell-holes that passed for army hospitals back then. Some quack doctor "treated" her with medicine with a high mercury content, and she lived through it -- a strong woman indeed. Her father was a *very* interesting person. Any study of Louisa *must* begin with a study of her father, because he was truly the most influential person in her life. I didn't know about the black students, but I did know he was a devout Abolitionist. Chris Manning (wtknleo-+AT+-voyager.net) wrote: > And about the most read book... umm, I've only read each of the books I > have once. (I have tried to read some books over, but for some reason, > once I've read one, I can't seem to re-read it, though I have had them > for about a little over 2 months) I'm the same way. I can count the books I've reread on one finger. ;-) (It was _The_Mote_In_God's_Eye_, and I reread it after over a decade since I'd forgotten most of the details. I'll probably reread more books in the future, but there are too many I haven't read yet, and I'm a slow enough reader that I don't like to "waste time" on books I've already read.) Danielle May Marrone (dmarrone-+AT+-ic.sunysb.edu) wrote: > I wanted to know: What was your biggest reaction to a book and what book > was it? Hmm... I don't normally have strong reactions immediately -- more often, little things just sort of "simmer" in the back of my mind for a few months/years.... For sheer emotional reaction, one of the most powerful books I can think of at the moment was "The Ship Who Searched" -- chapter 2 or 3, when the doctor's listening to her "dialogue" with Theodore Edward Bear. Rainbow (cf-+AT+-leightons.demon.co.uk) wrote: > Plot developement: > I think it's really clever how all the books tie in, I mean in Black > Gryphon Ma'ar actually SAYS he'll be back, so Misty must have known > she'd write about Leareth and Falconsbane... Actually, she wrote about Leareth first. The LHM books were written before the Gryphon books. I think the Gryphon books and the Winds books actually overlapped, too -- she was developing the Ma'ar concept throughout the series simultaneously. > Also Firesong (I liked > him...) she had to make sure that there WERE children for him to be > descended from, and...you get the idea? Again, remember that Vanyel was written first, probably before she even thought of Firesong -- although of course it's possible she had the idea of a powerful Hawkbrother Adept descended from Vanyel in the back of her mind.... -- "Daddy, why do those people have to | Greg Wooledge use Microsoft Windows?" | wooledge-+AT+-kellnet.com "Don't stare, son; it's not polite." | http://www.kellnet.com/wooledge/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 09:22:05 +0000 From: "Vrondi" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: list resources page Message-ID: <19980311013251.2048.qmail-+AT+-dns01.ops.usa.net> Ok, While re-aquainting myself with the FAQ/NewbieFest/Fluff I decided I needed to have a list of all this stuff in one place. So, I whipped up a web page of links to list related materials. Here's the URL for anyone who wants to look: http://edweb.concord.wvnet.edu/~deanca/list/ Anyone know of other stuff that should be on there, just let me know. -Vrondi _____________________________________________________ Chrys' Dragon Page: http://edweb.concord.wvnet.edu/~deanca Chrys' Celtic Page: http://wvnvm.wvnet.edu/~cna00104 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:42:23 +0800 From: Windsong To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Braid: reactions/other stuff Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980311094223.006ce8e4-+AT+-pacific.net.sg> Heyla the List! This is gonna be short, please forgive me...I'm in school at the moment and couldn't resist writing back to this one! *g* Ari wanted to know: >What was your biggest reaction to a book and what book >was it? Hmm...does this apply to Misty only or do *all* books count? Anyway, the Misty one is in TLHM -- in various places I alternately wanted to slap Withen, or Van *g*. As for other books _The Crucible_ wins hands down (ok, so it's a play) -- the 'yellow bird' scene. I really wanted to reach in and give Abigail a good shaking. I threw the books down and *flatly refused* to finish it though I had a lesson on it in two days. *laugh* >This works great for study and paper breaks. Of course, you >have to be careful not to start reading the next story >otherwise your doomed. That's true, but my failing is exactly that -- I start reading the next story and promtply get lost to the world all over again. Not good when it makes you miss your bus stop or fail that big test the next day. *laugh* As for the question on how old I was when I got into fantasy -- I think it was...11? 12? Somewhere thereabouts. The first books I read were Edding's Belgariad. I have to be thankful to them for getting me hooked on a great genre! =) OK. So most of this post is totally OT. *g* I'll stop rambling here...=) Peace to thee (and butterscotch-flavoured sheep to everyone), Lady Windsong of Peace 'The secret is inner peace and a plenitude of pink and purple pigs.' - My insane classmate. *g* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 20:11:41 -0600 From: katiekins2-+AT+-juno.com (Katie Snyder) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: books / questions / writing Message-ID: <19980310.201142.4438.0.katiekins2-+AT+-juno.com> Heyla all! Thanks for the warm (and slightly damp) welcome for Danielle (and anyone else interested) I'm 17, and live in Illinois (boring capital of the world). Some fav authors include Misty , Rawn, Jordan, Feist, Goodkind, MZB, Roberson, McKinley, Eddings, Lloyd Alexander, Tolkein of course, (and on and on and on) I also enjoy reading mystery, classics, historical, and lots of odd non-fiction. I get curious about odd things (like the sinking of the Titanic, Australian history, tribal cultures of Indonesia, . . . ) and check out every book the library has on it. (Makes my mom kinda upset, because not only do I haev all my books sitting around I have 4 or 5 stacks of books that can't even be put away cluttering up my floor. But I like it -- stacks of books make me happy ) Most read Misty book would have to be AotQ, mostly because it was the first of hers that I got, and so when I got an urge for Misty, it was the one I went to). Most read book overall would have to be Pride and Prejudice (of course, it helps that I read it 7 times in a couple of months for a research paper last year ) I first really got into scifi/fantasy when I was 10 -- jumped straight from Nancy Drew to Anne McCaffrey. Can someone tell me what the whole "braid" thing is about? I've been trying to figure it out, but I'm afraid I still don't understand. Curiously, does anyone else write? I've been thinking about this in relation to the whole feeling issue. I feel the need to read certain books at certain times, but sometimes no book will work. I *have* to write, because I need a story that relates to me a little more, and I shut myself up in my room and won't come out for anything (which drives my mom absolutely nuts, especially when I tell her I'm not going to school . So what if I think books and writing are more important than Calculus?) Smiles all around Katie _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 01:06:22 -0500 From: Chris Manning To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Braid Message-ID: <350629DE.500D-+AT+-voyager.net> Hiya, me again. Elizabeth Hoffman wrote: > How old was everyone else when they first got into scifi / fantasy? I would say I was about 10 or 11 when I started reading the genre, and about 15 when I started buying them (when I started, I didn't read many, not sure why though). ------------------------------------ About my strongest reaction? Well, I would say I never had much of any physical reaction (none at all in fact), and most of my feelings were generally just somewhat emotional, nothing completely overwhelming. ------------------------------------ And I've _really_ got to review what I try to explain next time... -- Chris Manning - wtknleo at voyager dot net - ICQ UIN 5409788 Lunar - Phantasy Star - Magic Knight RayEarth Davis on EsperNet and LunarNet ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:43:56 -0500 From: brianben-+AT+-worldnet.att.net To: Subject: Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 1518 Message-ID: <01bd4cfc$1f6627a0$LocalHost-+AT+-brianben> Lady Niki said: > Though there are plenty of >listsibs and lurkers who haven't spoken up, so perhaps it's a case of >those who have had firsthand knowledge speaking up while the rest >reserve comment...And if there is a preponderance of listsibs who have >contemplated suicide, well, perhaps Misty draws us because she does a >great job of portraying characters with self-doubts and very real >problems Yes, I have reserved comment on this topic because some of the memories are painful. The fact is I have made attempts (half-hearted) to kill myself. I have a hard time expressing my feelings and I think I was trying to let people know "HEY I HAVE A PROBLEM HERE!!!!!" The problem is that my mom is a very conservative christian and only sees things as right or wrong, black or white, and that doesn't leave room in her eyes; for fantasy, science fiction, or friendship with gay people. She has expected me to fit into the same mold. That just isn't me! Fairly recently, we have come to an understanding about it but before that the pressure was pretty high. Let's just say Vanyel's dad and my mom would probably get along pretty well. >Now, way OT: For those of you who've mentioned a fondness for Stephen >Hawking -- I'm gonna go see him speak on Wednesday Really, really, wish that I could be there too. Stephen Hawking is especially an inspiration to me since I am in a wheelchair as well. However, I can communicate without assistance and have the use of my upper body. If he can do all that he does with his limitations then surely I can finish my undergrad degree. ARI said: >I wanted to know: What was your biggest reaction to a book and what book >was it. It was when Van wanted to kill himself in LHM. I had tears in my eyes still from Tylendel's death then Vanyel gets the notion that he doesn't want to live. I threw the book across the room and said "Don't you die on me too!" I was almost afraid to start reading again and almost afraid not to if that makes any sense. >Just one question to add on~do any of you get estatic when you walk into a library or >bookstore and it smells like books? It gives me a comforting feeling, kinda like smelling hot cocoa on a cold winter day. Thanks to Dax for the information about Oklahoma. I may be moving to the Tulsa area in a year or so. Let's see... an obmisty. Nope, can't think of one. Maybe talking about Vanyel is enough. ShadowWolf, God of Stupid Chess Moves Knight of Fluff, Founder of OOPS bonded with Wesak --tawny eagle-- "My mind is going...I can feel it." --HAL-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:22:11 -0600 (CST) From: "Terrae N. Loucks" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Message-ID: Shadowwolf, I totally understand what you mean about your family and Vanyel. My mother is a psychotic Christian and my father is wonderful but sometimes a stubborn Conservative who just doesn't want to look at some of the things I stand for. I like Vanyel in the LHM series too. When Lendel died, I wanted to tear his enemy in two. It was terrible. I cry everytime I read the book and still gets surprised when Lendel dies because I get so caught up in Vanyel's feelings. Mercedes is one of the best damn writers I have ever had the pleasure to read. She is able to grasp the characters like no other writer. I always get caught in the character's minds as I read thru the book. My only regret is that each story does not continue longer. My other favorite author is Andrea Norton. In fact, the first time I read a Lackey book was when they teamed up on Elvenbane. I loved the book so much. Thier talents combined kick butt. Does anyone know when they third book in the Elvenworld series is coming out? It's called Elvenblood and I have been waiting two years know. Oh well, I am sorry to have gotten off subject, but I do know how you feel Shadowwolf. Wind to thy Wings, Heartsong ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 16:38:48 GMT From: troll-+AT+-netcomuk.co.uk To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Message-ID: <1998311164059441-+AT+-netcomuk.co.uk> Terrae N. Loucks wrote: >Does anyone know when they third book in the Elvenworld series is coming out? >It's called Elvenblood and I have been waiting two years know. Um, I haven't heard anything yet about a third book, but Elvenblood is the *second* book in the series and has been out already for at least two years. Wind to thy wings, salt water to thy hair and chocolate sheep to thy larder, Muranog Shadowbane Troll Adept and his bondmate Sable, the giant black war sheep ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:43:44 -0500 (EST) From: Danielle May Marrone To: Mercedes Lackey Fan List Subject: I've found kindred spirits! Message-ID: April wrote: <<<<>>>> Just one question to add on~do any of you get estatic when you walk into a library or bookstore and it smells like books? <<<>>> Like someone else said, I find it a very comforting feeling. Probably because when you are reading the book and really into it and relaxed, and you can smell the "NEW BOOK" smell while you are doing so. Hmmm . . . maybe we should come up with a new scent, "Eau de New Book", or something. <<<<>>>> The girl with the silver eyes, and A wrinkle in time... <<<<>>>> Hey! Those were my favorites back then too. I have been meaning to read them again since I haven't read them in a few years. Chris wrote: <<<<>>>> I have almost completely stopped going to the library. Not only because I can never seem to return the books right on time but because I get the exact same feeling!! I will go into the library and stay there for hours because I know that there is a book that i really need to read at right now but I won't know which one it is until I pick it up. <<<<>>>> It is much cheaper for me to buy a book than take it out of the library. I NEVER return them on time. And people start staring at you after you've stood there staring at a shelf for 30 minutes trying to find a book. It much more acceptable to do that at the book store (since most people there are doing the same thing) and it is much more comfortable to do it at home with only the cat staring at you wondering what the hell you are doing. Elizabeth Hoffman wrote: <<<<>>>> How old was everyone else when they first got into scifi / fantasy? <<<<>>>> I was very young. You know the Serendipity books, Last Unicorn movie, and Star Wars all did it for me. I do believe it was the Last Unicorn that got me hooked. Wind to thy Wings and May Your Sheep be Extra Fluffy, ARI ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:42:02 -0700 From: Tifalheart-+AT+-webtv.net (April Hunt) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Hall of Mist Message-ID: <199803112142.NAA02552-+AT+-mailtod-132.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Jeanne Riverwolf stepped out of the shadows, once again, and embraced all her listsibs with warm hugs...:No hiding people:, she said in her double strength mind voice: I am damn well going to hug you all and that's that: She even sent mental hugs(or licks) in the direction of the many varied bondmates. --------------------------------------------------------------- Sorry bout that, but I have to hug you all, for I know now that I am among true comrades and siblings of the heart. I think every single one of us has at least two things in common, if not more...though Misty as a common bond is feeling pretty weird... I had it pointed out to me that someone who asked what trondi'irn(im) were, exactly what thier duties are were asking for differences during the Gryphon and Winds trilogies...One major difference I can see for sure is the fact that Gryphons do not need people to deploy them for war in any secnce of the word, and as for Treyvan and Hydona, I think that Darkwind was serving as sort of a trondi'im for them, at least in the regard of friendship and being a representative for them within the Vale...also Hydona says somewhere in WOChange(dont have that one because a dog chewed it up) that she and Treyvan were chosen/voulenteered to come that far to see if the clan would be able to settle there, and if it was safe...I do not think gryphons really NEED a trondi'im, but that its a really nice convienence...I mean, we, IRL do not have kestra'chern and we get by using *mere* massages(which I give, so no implying that someone who does is less than spectacular, we just have no proven *Healing* or other mind-gifts), so it is safe to assume that Gryphons can survive without them. Remember that Treyvan and Hydona were suprised to see the Hawkbrothers, so having Darkwind was probably more of a luxury than they had expected to have! Even supposing that these two are very self sufficent and less dependant than other Gryphons doesnt tell you much about the need for trondi'im, for most Gryphs are self-sufficient and not dependant on their human friends(or else a mutual race/species co-existance would, quite bluntly, not work) Even Kryee, Hertasi, Dyheli, and Tervadi must be able to fend for themselves before they can be allowed to contribute to the well being of the entire community at large, I would think( It is why we have parents, after all...to teach us how to be self supporting even before we move out of the nest...) Also consider Urtho...do you think the Mage of Silence would make a one of his creatures, by design, to be a species that is dependant on another species to live? With how much he loved all of his "children", I sincerly doubt that he would... Anyway, I need to stop finding arguments for this before my fingers fall off, so until next time, Zhai"helleva all, and many Hugs! April-Jeanne Riverwolf, Disciple of Textevd,Hall of MIST ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1519 **********************************