MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1525 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) by "Terrae N. Loucks" 2) A question about RPG's by Beth Allan 3) braid:lots and lots by Ana Cotton 4) Re: braid by Eleonora Scoseria 5) Re: dreams / pronunciation of shaych by Chris Manning 6) Re: Talaydras/Shin'a'in/Oathblood/ by taipan-+AT+-hargray.com (Danny Nidess) 7) Re: sheep by Adrienne R Metz 8) Stuff & Fluff by dprono-+AT+-planet.eon.net 9) e-mail prob... by Rainbow 10) pronunciation? by Tifalheart-+AT+-webtv.net (April Hunt) 11) Re: e-mail prob... by Rachel 12) Re: e-mail prob/Fluff and Stuff by troll-+AT+-netcomuk.co.uk 13) Re: e-mail prob... by Kenneth Allen Hyde 14) ESP by "FallenAngel" 15) pronunciations by Mat the Cat in Green 16) Drenching/Winds/Reading by Ambyrglow 17) Long Braid by "John E Morris" 18) Oathblood & "The Key" by Petri Peltonen 19) Halls of Mist Part 1 by "Ktara n'ha Sara" 20) Halls of Mist Part 2 by "Ktara n'ha Sara" 21) Re: Oathblood & "The Key" by Stasia 22) Long one, ladies & by shadowspun-+AT+-juno.com (Heather A Tomlinson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 12:52:01 -0600 (CST) From: "Terrae N. Loucks" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Message-ID: Heartsong prances about the Hall OF Mist since Yvonne missed her with the water. Apache Tears hops about the floor and meows. No one has gotten thje pair yet. Heartsong mindsends: Ha ha. Gotta catch me. I came in after the splash. (laugh) Then she walks around tryong to find ShadowWolf to give him a sheep and to find Sorcha. She watches carefully not to be splashed. I wanted to know if anyone has started a serious story in the circle that anyone could add onto. It would be neat to compile all our styles into one and seriously see what comes of it. Also, has anyone read the Elvenbane series, I think it was a good calaburation between Norton and Lackey. If one has not read it. I think it is awesome. I have read both books several times. Does anyone have any idea when Elvenborn is due out. It is the third book in the series and is due out anytime now. I cannot wait. (Heartsong jumps for joy and sends out a warm thought of hapiness and joy) I love this list and all the people on it are so cool. I finally have people I can discuss my favorite books with. SMILE. Well gotta go. Wind to thy Wings, And can't catch me, Heartsong and Apache Tear ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:36:33 -0500 From: Beth Allan To: "'mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk'" Subject: A question about RPG's Message-ID: <01BD50E8.ED5EF520-+AT+-ppp01-13.aci.on.ca> ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD50E8.ED681CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello everyone. I hope my e-mail decides to co-operate today, and won't = send junk with this. I'm a total newbie, and am so totally = overwhelmed... I have a couple of questions, so here goes: 1) What are the HALLS OF MIST??? 2) What games do you people play (Avalon, etc...?)? 3) What should I be doing to get into this fantasy stuff. I love Misty, = but I'm totally clueless when it comes to this other stuff that's going = on. Like, how do I get characters? =20 Just so you all know, my screen name is FyreJoye, but my real name is = Beth... See, I told you I'm clueless. Got any places I should go? = Thanks for your help! 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=_NextPart_000_01BD50E8.ED681CE0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 12:29:07 -0800 (PST) From: Ana Cotton To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: braid:lots and lots Message-ID: <19980316202907.7251.rocketmail-+AT+-web1.rocketmail.com> Lot one: Ana glances round the corner *good, Real Life has let up for a bit*....\ ------ Lot two folks, this lovely commentary on reading while walking. is going for a song folks. bids? Lisa wrote: >I read EVERYWHERE - including while I'm walking!>>> I used to do this, I'd go for a walk and take a book with me and read. I could even power walk, while doing this. Sadly, I appear to have lost this ability. Ah well.. :( ----- Kat wrote: >The first SF book that I remember reading was A Wrinkle In Time, I >remember loving it at the time, but I don't really remember much >about it anymore- I want to go back and read it again sometime.>> you really should read it again. you'll pick up a bit more, and there are (IRC) various little nuances that are very... scary? I think I'm a little confused right now. On the subject of picking up more from books you read as a kid, that you are rereading now: does anyone else have this happen? I'll be reading a book (for example: the Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy) and all of a sudden it'll hit me: oh that's what that means! And it'll be something I didn't pick up when I was ten, but that I get now (at the ripe old age of 21 ;>). --------- As for the way I pronounce Shaych: I pronounce it sh-long A-hard ch. *But* I pronounce Shay'a'chern: with a *soft* 'ch'. And I pronounce She'chorne, with a hard 'ch'. Ah well, part of it's 'cause the English language is so screwy, and I automatically give the letters the English equivalent. Also, try *saying* some of the words aloud, thye sound better certain ways..MHO Lot number 23 on the subject of noticing things: I didn't notice for a month that a local store had closed down! It's a couple blocks from our house, and one day I look up from the book I was reading and said to my mom:'Hey, National is closed!' She gives me this strange look and informs me it had been closed for about a month! Must'a been 'cause I read lots, and don't pay much attention to things around me. On the subject of Daxes: There was a Dak in Star Wars. . he was Luke's gunner in Empire Strikes Back-the ice battle scene. (Ana, font of all useless facts) ---------- Lot 42: The Ring story pages haven't been updated cause a certain father of mine used the computer all of last week, and I had no chance to do it :( But, they will be soon. And...Someone was asking what the Halls of Mist are: the virtual setting for the list, is the best definition I could come up with. To paraphrase Cen: calling it the mercedes-lackey list room (?) sounds silly, and is a mouthfull. so, he called it the Halls of Mist. ---- and last... welcome all newbies! *pounce* hmm.. I think that's everything, bidding is now officially closed thank you for your time, this message was bought to you by Persiflage'R'Us. === Hugs, Ana, proud Knight of Fluff. Watch "Three"! "So, I stole Niles' ovaries!"-Frazier to his father. http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/6573 Ring Story is the same as above, but add on: /lfr.html _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free -+AT+-yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:39:04 -0300 From: Eleonora Scoseria To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: braid Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980316173904.007a3bc0-+AT+-www.multi.com.uy> At 06:22 AM 16/03/1998 GMT, John wrote: >Heh - in my experience working with various enclosed communities >(specifically, professional theatre companies) I have discovered that even >the most reticent person will gossip like a fishwife - I would guess the >Heralds are like this, too. When you deal with the same group of people >over and over again day after day, the little details in everyone's life >takes on a whole new importance. Companions strike me as being REALLY >gossipy... I tend to agree. Even Van who was apparently not the gossiping kind, seemed to be kept informed by Yfandes. And there is that instance when Savil goes visit with Van's family when both her Companion and Van's start catching up at the first opportunity. That makes it look like it is a common enough occurrence. >On a different topic... > > Am I the only one who isn't a huge fan of fantasy short stories? No! you are not! I am the same. I am not going to say that I *hate* fantasy short stories, but I am definitely not a fan. What's more, I believe that if I had read the T&K short stories before reading the books I would not have been particularly impressed. As it is, I read them after reading Oathbound and Oathbreakers (the latter being a fave book of mine) and I was not impressed either. Guess who isn't buying Oathblood? > Loved seeing all the ways we pronounce things. It's amazing how many >ways we can interpret the same few vowels and consonants. *g* Yep. You would be doubly amazed if a non-native speaker of English were to tell you his/her take of pronounciations . /me winks at Cennydd. Well, I am going back to my usual madness. Peace, Ele Councilor of Mist ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:49:52 -0500 From: Chris Manning To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: dreams / pronunciation of shaych Message-ID: <350D9070.18A1-+AT+-voyager.net> Katie Snyder wrote: > > Along the "dreams" line . . . > I always seem to get dreams and reality confused. I'll see something and > think "I know I've seen this before" -- I mean the *exact* same thing. > (Yes, deja vu) Anyway, most of the time I figure out that I just > remember the same scene from a dream -- I don't really remember the > dreams, but I can look at the scenes and say what's going to happen next > . . . kind of odd. Does anyone else do this? > Hmm, I usually remember I saw something like it after the entire thing occurs. As for the 'shaych' pronounciation... I would, IMHO, have to say that it sounds to me like the 'ch' being a soft 'ch' (the whole thing sounding like shay-sh, the 2nd 'sh' being a little harder than the first). I finally got around to reading the first two SERRAted Edge books, and really enjoyed them. :) There goes more money ;) (Unfortunately, they didn't have MPawn when I went , then again, they were stocking, so I don't blame them... much ;) ) -- Chris Manning - wtknleo at voyager dot net - ICQ UIN 5409788 Lunar - Phantasy Star - Magic Knight RayEarth Davis on EsperNet and LunarNet ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:19:59 -0500 (EST) From: taipan-+AT+-hargray.com (Danny Nidess) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Talaydras/Shin'a'in/Oathblood/ Message-ID: <01IUQNXHM1P88Y61KP-+AT+-InfoAve.Net> The first Misty book that I read was Storm Warning. It was, in fact, the first fantasy book I've ever read. I was looking through the Science Fiction Book Club's catalogue, and read the description and thought "This actually sounds farely decent." So, I ordered it, and when it finally came in, I couldn't put it down. I ordered Storm Rising, and waited anxiously for Storm Breaking to be released. While I waited, I read LHM, (which happens to be one of the three books(hey, it's between two covers, it' a book!) that I've read the most, all of twice (I'm always reading new stuff, never have enough time), the other two being Conqueror's Pride and SW: Heir to the Empire, both by Timothy Zahn.) and loved that too, even more, in fact. I proceeded to collect and read all of her Valdemar books, loving each and every one of them, although I was a little dissapointed with Mage Winds, I wished she'd spent more time on the war with Hardorn, the times she did bring it up were some of the best parts of the books for me, like when the mages were orgranizing, etc, and I'd expected Elspeth to be leading an army through Hardorn. I wasn't too impressed with either Falconsbane or Ancar, either, I had loved her discriptions in Mage Storms, and they didn't come anywhere near my expectations, oh well. BTW, sorry all of my posts are coming late, I'm QUITE far behind on my email (over a hundred) and never find enough time to take a serious chunk out of them. So, I read them and respond when I have the time. -TechnoDon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:38:52 -0700 (MST) From: Adrienne R Metz To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: sheep Message-ID: On Sun, 15 Mar 1998, Shadowdancer wrote: > ******************** > > Lisa, Claude and Uni Wrote: > >P.S what is the deal with the sheep?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? > > This is a joke that is in the last lines in Magics Promise. > > Textevd: > > "You know," Jervis raised on eyebrow, "your father still don't half > believe but what you were after Tashir's tail the whole time. Aye, and > Medren, too." > Vanyel snorted. > "In fact," Jervis continued," to hear him in his cups, you've had half the > boys in Valdemar." > Vanyel put his mug down. "If that's a question, he replied acidly, "you > can tell him from me that it's been so damned long that both you and those > damned sheep in Long Meadow are starting to look good!" > Jervis game him a long, thoughtful look, and Vanyel wondered if he'd said > to much, too freely. He tried to ready an apology--when Jervis gave him a > long, slow grin. > "Stick to the sheep," the armsmaster advised impudiently. "They don't snore." > > > IMHO this is what I think that all the sheep refrences "jokes" are in > reply or are in the same vein with. > **************** > First of all, I must apologize for any typos, etc, that may occur in my emails this week. I am on Spring Break and must use my father's computer to check and read my email. I HATE my father's computer and it's modem connection. That also means I cannot braid because I would die of hardening of the artieries before I could get all the posts I wanted to reply to cut and pasted into a reply. I just wanted to add here that inthe Storms trilogy, a snow monster rises out of the ground to scare Tremaine half to death --a sheep snow monster. I about died laughing when I read that part. Snow-sheep monsters to you all. WTTW, ADrienne argh! I can't get my anme typed right for the life of m e! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:26:09 From: dprono-+AT+-planet.eon.net To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Stuff & Fluff Message-ID: <3.0.3.16.19980316152609.08bf04b6-+AT+-planet.eon.net> Heyla!! Yes, it's me again. Sorry! Just a quickie question - does anyone know when Oathblood will be out in paperback in Canada??? I haven't managed to find the T&K stories in S&S, so I'm kinda desperate. And any word on when Owlflight will be out in paperback too? > Sorry if this is a little (o.k., a lot) longwinded, I usually have a lot > to say! Yesh, Kat, you think that YOU'RE long winded?! Some of the folks around here make three hour lectures on manure seem like a breif mumble! ;) Not that you guys are dull at all. Too bad my teachers aren't like you folks - I might not be reduced to reading Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy in class. (My latest book) The rest of this message is entirly Fluff - those of you with many many many many many e-mails to read can delete the rest, if you wish. So, until I manage to write again, Fare Thee Well! Yvonne > I'm new to the list, and fell in sort of in the middle of things, so > sorry if I say something that doesn't make sense(I never make sense > anyway). *Yvonne crawls gurilla-style across the marble floor, hunting for one paticular newbie... and sees Kat.* SPLOSH!! Gotcha! ;) And a fine hello to you too! I b'lieve that some are handing out towels somewhere... might have to go SPLOSH them just for the heck of it!! ;) > Heartsong prances about the Hall OF Mist since Yvonne missed her with the > water. Apache Tears hops about the floor and meows. No one has gotten the > pair yet. Heartsong mindsends: Ha ha. Gotta catch me. I came in after the > splash. (laugh) *Little does Heartsong or Apache Tears realise, but they are being stalked by a small woman with a bucket. She dodges around a few bad chess players and hides behind a Dax as Heartsong does a shoulder check. But the stalking bucket-weilding figure gets ever closer... and finally...* SPLOSH!! Sorry to take so long - I've been on a breif holiday, and with so many newbies, it's hard to keep track. (Seashimmer, where are you?!) Flaimcat - sorry, me buckets empty! But a hello to you too! > :Lisa, Claude and Uni wander about the halls of mist, tring to find > certain listsibs. They catch slight of the listsib who sploshed them, > and sneak up behind Yvonne and push her into a pool of water, after > which they offer her a dry towel *s* Well thank you very kindly for the towel! *drys herself off* And here's a sheep to you for no apparent reason! *Yvonne then laughs and disolves into a SPLOSH which sinks into the cracks in the floor* Yvonne Shadowshape, bonded to Chiti, Chosen by Korla Goddess of Kelpies, Selkies, and the other Water-Borne Knight of Fluff *&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&* The Nerids pluck their lyres Where the green translucncy beats And with motionless eyes at gaze Make minstrily in the streets -Walter de la Mare, Sunk Lyoness ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 20:30:15 +0000 From: Rainbow To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: e-mail prob... Message-ID: Just wondering is anyone else getting 'unsolicitated e-mails' or something? I am...it's annoying... Rainbow 'If you want the rainbow, you gotta put up with the rain' ~~~???~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:55:19 -0700 From: Tifalheart-+AT+-webtv.net (April Hunt) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: pronunciation? Message-ID: <199803162255.OAA23037-+AT+-mailtod-131.iap.bryant.webtv.net> sorry to post such a short post but I had to add my two cents in(obscure KOG&Shadows ref) but on pronouncing shayachsayach? really? i say it sigh-ash.Hard H. Then shey'a'chorne would be shai a'sh(H again)or(pronounced as in the word chore )ne-very small, almost silent e.Let me go get that Shin'a'in language thingy from the back of Oathbreakers...she'chorne...e as in fend, or convert ey into ai...ai in air shai'shor(again pronounced like Chore) ne-again short e. or shey-short e...the Shin'a'in and Taledras would be very very close in pronunciation? cause of the mutual birth of both sister languages from Kaled'a'in~Tale'ederas...in Shin'a'in it is spelled, but in Hawkbrother tounge Shin'a'in remains the same....(can almost hear Robert Plant in the background, now cant you?)The Shin'a'in remains the saaaaammme...lalala... anyway bye for now... April-Jeanne Riverwolf, Disciple of Textevd,Hall of MIST ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:13:03 -0500 From: Rachel To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: e-mail prob... Message-ID: <350DB1FF.D74E574C-+AT+-purdue.edu> Rainbow wrote: > Just wondering is anyone else getting 'unsolicitated e-mails' or > something? I am...it's annoying... > Hey Rainbow, so am I. I haven't gotten any today, but last week I got a couple. Sooo....has anyone started reading Oathblood? I saw it at the store, but I'm so behind in my reading I didn't buy it. I just want to know what people think of it. LadyBard ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 23:20:05 GMT From: troll-+AT+-netcomuk.co.uk To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: e-mail prob/Fluff and Stuff Message-ID: <1998316232219241-+AT+-netcomuk.co.uk> Rainbow asked: >Just wondering is anyone else getting 'unsolicitated e-mails' or >something? I am...it's annoying... Yep, seen a few of those yesterday/today. Most likely someone got wrongly subscribed to the list and is complaining about it? Yvonne Shadowshape said her bucket was empty: ****************************************************************** The air grows warm for a moment as the Troll Adept puts forth his power. A blue glow surrounds his hands, gradually increasing in brightness, then solidifies into the shape of a glowing bucket. The Troll Adept turns to his fellow Knight, Yvonne Shadowshape, and presents her with the enchanted bucket. "This blue bucket is so bespelled that it shall never be empty: no matter how many people are sploshed by it, there shall always be seawater in it." ****************************************************************** A little gift from the newest Knight of Fluff to an elder one..... Muranog Shadowbane Troll Adept and newest Knight of Fluff and his bondmate Sable, the giant black war sheep ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:59:54 -0500 (EST) From: Kenneth Allen Hyde To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: e-mail prob... Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Mar 1998, Rainbow wrote: > Just wondering is anyone else getting 'unsolicitated e-mails' or > something? I am...it's annoying... Very quickly, I think that the "unsolicited emails" messages was probably due to someone being signed up by accident to the list while having some sort of "spam filter" running. From the look of things, the problem has been dealt with, but if it is simply in abeyance and returns, I encourage everyone to have patience and let us fix it without everyone sending messages to the list asking "what is this?" and telling the person to stop. BTW, re: the pronunciation of she'chorne, the Tayledras cognate shay'a'chern, and its derivative shaych: I would be wary of accepting the pronunciations given in OBreakers. Misty's pronunciation guide, and her word-by-word pronunciations don't match up. According to the pronunciation guide, "she'chorne" should be pronounced [SE?COrnE], where S=the 'sh' sound in 'hush'; E=the 'e' sound in 'bet'; ?=the glottal stop in 'uh-oh' and 'button' (some dialects); C=the 'ch' sound in 'church'; and O=the lax 'o' in 'bore' or 'coal.' The Tayledras word, which probably was the origin of "shaych" should probably be pronounced [Sej?a?CErn], where ej=the tense American English diphthong in the word "day" or "Kate." If this is indeed the source of "shaych" (and Misty certainly intends it to be), then the pronunciation would plausibly be [SejC], by deleting the unstressed medial syllable. This is a plausible choice since the [?a?] contains segments that are not phonemically present in Valdemaran (assuming that Valdemaran is like English). In the absence of any evidence, I would be reluctant to assume that shortened forms undergo base-final spirantization (which is the only way to account for an 'sh' pronunciation at the end of 'shaych'). And that is my ObMisty. Oh, and btw, to those who asked, the origins of the sheep stuff on the list was not directly related to the sheep references in LHM, but rather to an unfortunate incident involving the redoubtable Lady Reesa, Close Personal Friend of Many Sheep. =) If you want to know the fully skinny, check out the NewbieFest at May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd Councilor of Mist Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me //www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/prof/ken.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 19:31:00 -0000 From: "FallenAngel" To: Subject: ESP Message-ID: <001c01bd5112$23cadb00$2f7d1b26-+AT+-skkohnkedelta.edu> YES!!! I've always thought that I had a touch of something like that. There were always times when I would mention something to my family and have them say "We never said that." I always had dreams that I would remember later, when I found myself in the same EXACT situation. It scared me, and after a while I started trying tio change them, and surpress my dreams. Now I don't have them anymore.... *sad sniffle* I've also had dreams about living in the past (like ancient Egypt and Ireland in the middle ages) that seemed so REAL. I was told that I probably lived there in a past life. Of course, I've always been told that I'm a bit 'off my rocker' as well!!!! (notice my use of exclamation points) *grin* FallenAngel ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Kathryn Shannon fallenangel_ksd-+AT+-usa.net http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/9421 Priestess of OOPS Member of Mistic Circle http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/9421/MC_guidelines.html Winner of the Gryphonheart Short Story Award http://www.gryphonheart.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sorry ~ I lost who wrote this: I wonder if there's actually some weird medical thing about that. Or is it actually esp. I have noticed that some of the things I dream do come true. Little things, you know. I've been in the car and just seen something happen and weeks or so later it happens and I remember seeing it before. I've even realized it was happening and tried to change the things. Sometimes I succeed, sometimes I don't. I don't think it's deja vu, but I don't know what else to call it sometimes. Anyone else? AND: Kaki Notestine wrote: Yesyesyes! But the weird thing I get more strongly (not more frequently, but when it happens boy howdy it freaks me out) is going somewhere new and KNOWING I've never been there, but feeling like I have. Even knowing exactly how to get around. It happened at Tintagel Head in Cornwall so fiercely I lost track of who I was and my friends found me crying on the cliffs. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 19:39:18 -0500 (EST) From: Mat the Cat in Green To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: pronunciations Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Mar 1998, Kenneth Allen Hyde wrote: > BTW, re: the pronunciation of she'chorne, the Tayledras cognate > shay'a'chern, and its derivative shaych: I would be wary of accepting the > pronunciations given in OBreakers. Misty's pronunciation guide, and her > word-by-word pronunciations don't match up. According to the Honestly, I wouldn't bother worrying about any Misty pronunciations anyway. She can't pronounce the words herself. At Dragon*con, she pronounced Shin'a'in as Shi-`neye-in. When someone asked her about the pronunciation of it, she said that she mispronounces it all the time, cause she can't do the glottal stops anyway. :) Mat Cat Person, Champion in Green, God | "Eldest, Fairest, and Fallen . . . of Procrastination, filk vector, | greeting and defiance." -- A wizard Heathen #149, and OoUL/L of tLotPW | upon meeting the Lone Power. mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu | "Magic does not live in the unwilling http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/ | soul."-- Wizards' saying about magic ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 21:46:17 EST From: Ambyrglow To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Drenching/Winds/Reading Message-ID: << Sorry to take so long - I've been on a breif holiday, and with so many newbies, it's hard to keep track. (Seashimmer, where are you?!)>> Seashimmer pops up infront of Yvonne. "I'm here, I'm here! Just been a bit busy lately." She glances around the room, bucket at ready << I proceeded to collect and read all of her Valdemar books, loving each and every one of them, although I was a little dissapointed with Mage Winds,>> I would agree with this. . .I really like Misty, but for some reason I couldn't get into the Mage Winds. Probably because I don't like Elspeth much, and the whole Tayledras culture has never much appealed to me (it's just too perfect- I'm a cynic and pessimist at heart, and I keep watching for the whole society to colapse ). At any rate, it's the only Misty series I've yet to reread. Anyone else find the Winds books somewhat below standard? <<>I read EVERYWHERE - including while I'm walking!>>>>> So do I. .. my dad has taken to photographing me reading whenever we go. . .we have this one picture of me standing chest deep in the ocean reading Magic's Pawn. Mostly I read in the car- I've never understood how people get carsick. With me, if I -don't- concentrate on something like I book, I get sick ::shrug::. Strange, I know. ^*^Claire Seashimmer Apprentice Drencher Acolyte of OOPS ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 00:33:14 -0500 From: "John E Morris" To: "Mercedes Lackey List" Subject: Long Braid Message-ID: <01bd5166$2ee64980$55109cd1-+AT+-default> >This is off the topic (what else is new) but did I possibly hear the >mention of a new Raymond E. Fiest book??? Is it in the Midkemia series? >The last one I heard of was "Rage of a Demon King" is this after it??? Yes - Shards of a Broken Crown is the fourth and final volume of the Serpentwar saga - just finished it and it is great. I am dying to find out if there will be another series set in this world. Hope so - the Midkemia books are in my top five fantasy series, I think. >In one of her more recent books (geez, I read it like two weeks ago and >can't remember the name..._Drangonseye- maybe?) two gay men aren't really >developed, but we get a small glimpse into their relationship. An artist >is staying at the weyr and one of the partners asks him to do a portrait >of the other so that if he is ever killed during threadfall he'll have his >image to hold onto. This is actually the book I was refering to. I guess this is part of my difficulty with the characters - McCaffery has chosen to present a gay couple in stereotypical fashion - one is the man and one is the "woman" and wants a sentimental record of his partner. There is some development of these characters in the book - this is where I get my simpering, giggling and shallow thing from. I agree with you that straight couples in literature and in life want rememberances of each other in case the unthinkable happens, but they are generally portrayed as equal partners. I am certainly not adverse to sentimentality, as I am a fairly sentimental guy myself. It is the ineffectual and effete portrayal of gay men that I object to. >I find the same problems with some contemporary fiction short stories too, >but O'Connor is different because she uses the actual language and not the >events to make things interesting. (Of course, her events are so out >there, they're pretty interesting too... _Good Country People_ is my all >time favorite, but the short stories that eventually became _Wise Blood_ >are pretty good examples of southern gothic as well.) Good Country People is one of my favorites, too. Wise Blood ranks WAY up there (MVSEVM), but The Artificial N**** is her best short story, I think. What do you think about the whole Omega Point theory of O'Connor's work? >Yep! guilty on both accounts. I was called "Walking Encyclopedia" and >"Bookworm" throughout grade school Yeah, I had the same problem myself. However, in my case the names were more like geek and nerd. It's amazing what going to college and leaving behind all the pre-conceptions that people have about you can do for your self-image. (of course, working out a lot and discovering that you can party AND read three books a week can work wonders for your social life, too :) ) Ok - well I guess that's long winded enough for this one - NO OBMisty, I see but diversity is the spice of life... John E. Morris "Oh my God!! The Shrike killed Kenny!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:29:01 +0200 (EET) From: Petri Peltonen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Oathblood & "The Key" Message-ID: <199803170729.JAA31376-+AT+-hkkk.fi> Heyla! I just bought a copy of "Oathblood" and while leafing through it, I noticed that the short story "The Key" looked quite familiar. Now, I know that the stories have appeared before in the "Swords and Sorceresses" anthologies, but as I'm fairly sure I haven't read any of the anthologies, I began to wonder where have I read "The Key" before. So... has "The Key" appeared before in anywhere else besides the SnS anthologies? Piedro -- ****************************************************************** * Petri O Peltonen * Animals, * * Helsinki School of Economics * who are not penguins, * * Administration Office * can only wish they were. * * ppeltone-+AT+-hkkk.fi * - Chicago Reader 10/15/82 - * ****************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 19:25:48 +1100 From: "Ktara n'ha Sara" To: "mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk" Subject: Halls of Mist Part 1 Message-ID: <350E338C.2B970676-+AT+-macquarie.matra.com.au> Having received, with great surprise, the Friendship Ring from Fallenangel, KTara continues to dance for a time with any and all as partners. After a while, she starts to feel somewhat tired and so leaves the dance for a quiet corner in order to rest and watch the antics of her fellow listsibs. Eventually,as time passes, she realises that she must leave again as her commitments elsewhere are calling but before she goes she approaches the Troll Adept, looks up at him and states ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 19:26:49 +1100 From: "Ktara n'ha Sara" To: "mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk" Subject: Halls of Mist Part 2 Message-ID: <350E33C9.AC841443-+AT+-macquarie.matra.com.au> "My thanks, kind sir, for what you have added to the list. May you enjoy the ring and give it in friendship" and hands Sable two large handfuls of sweet grass for his enjoyment. At that she turns and trots away, with three new rings upon her hand. When she reaches the edge of the Lurker's Mists, she pauses and looks back into the Hall, "Thank you to all for your friendship and time.I hope I'll get the chance to return soon." Sorry for the two posts but it was the only way I could send this. Vonne and Aka ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 03:32:00 -0500 From: Stasia To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Oathblood & "The Key" Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980317033200.00a20304-+AT+-mail.gte.net> At 07:46 AM 3/17/98 GMT, you wrote: >Heyla! > >I just bought a copy of "Oathblood" and while leafing through it, I >noticed that the short story "The Key" looked quite familiar. Now, I >know that the stories have appeared before in the "Swords and >Sorceresses" anthologies, but as I'm fairly sure I haven't read any of >the anthologies, I began to wonder where have I read "The Key" >before. So... has "The Key" appeared before in anywhere else besides >the SnS anthologies? "Keys", along with "Turnabout", are both stories that appeared in Oathbound, the first being the story where Tarma and Kethry save Lady Corbie after she's been wrongly accused of murdering her husband... Tarma buying time by becoming Her Lady's Champion in a fight until her death with whosoever in the town that wishes to go against her, and Kethry using magic to find out how to solve a locked room murder mystery... a murder that was committed WITHOUT the use of magic. The second story is the story of the song "Threes". Those are the only two stories that repeat themselves from any of the previous to T&K books. There are also 2 new stories that didn't appear in S&S, if I'm reading things correctly. One is, of course, Oathblood, the other is "Spring Planting Time at Forst Reach". And both are very enjoyable Hope this helps.... And, sorry if it seems rambly... I wanted to make sure it wasn't a one-liner! %^} Oh, and for anyone intersted, I've made a few slight changes to the "Where Am I?" pages. It's a lot easier to read. Anyone that wants to check it out, it's at http://home1.gte.net/stasia/misty/listsibs.htm Oh, and on the subject of other books by other authors... I recently got a book from the Sci-fi book club called "The Empty Crown" by Rosemary Edghill. It's a trilogy of three books called "The Sword of Maiden's Tears", "The Cup of Morning Shadows", and "The Cloak of Night and Daggers". When I first read the book, I thought that it would make a great series of 12 books, basing each on a different treasure that needed to be found. But I haven't seen anything about any further books. Has anyone else read this series, or know anything more about any up coming books? I guess that's enough "Oh, and"'s for now.... Amber, who often goes as Stasia _____________________________________________________________________ Yes I am a pirate, 200 years to late. Canons don't thunder there's nothing to plunder, I'm an over 40 victim of fate arriving to late. -- Jimmy Buffett, A Pirate Looks at Forty ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 00:46:22 EST From: shadowspun-+AT+-juno.com (Heather A Tomlinson) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Long one, ladies & Message-ID: <19980317.004502.6375.0.shadowspun-+AT+-juno.com> New Books: Okay, here they are again. *Sword of Ice* (paperback-last year sometime) *Owlflight* (hardcover-last October) *Oathblood* (already out-sorry, don't know when it will come out in Canada, maybe your bookstore will know) *Owlsight* (hardcover-October 98-$21.95) *Owlflight* (paperback-October 98-$5.99) Any other series, someone else will have to play with. I really don't read the others, but for Di and the Free Bards. And even that I'm not really up on. Oh, there is one other, just came out this month. *Fiddler Fair*. It's an anthology of her (and her hubby's) short stories totally unrelated to Velgarth. There seems to be an early Rune story in it. Haven't read it yet. I'm only reading it at work between calls. Slow going. One of the stories I did read was really good. _Last Rights_ is the title. Daxes: Ohhkay, so Han does fit this one. Oh, Iolus is Herc's sidekick. I like him better than Herc actually. He's so cute and fuzzy. :) And Jadzia Dax is a character on Star Trek DS9. Does not fit the Dax mold. Definitely not. *SPOILER, SORT OF ABOUT STORM BREAKING* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * >Or do you think >its going to spread Companions across all the countries? Or do you think >its going to be (spoiler sort of Tremane/Hardorn and The Iftel people) >up against the Empire...Ours is not to wonder why? but im insanely >curious! anybody else? I think it would be hard for her to justify sending Companions/Heralds out over the whole world (which is so far only a portion of a continent). The Companions were created to help protect Valdemar, and while they have occasionally Chosen outside the country, ie. Alberich and Neave (the Herald in Talia's gifts class who sends her that horrible scene and finally clues Ylsa into the nature of Talia;s gift.), such a Choice doesn't happen often. For the Companions/Heralds to really spread their influence that over other nations, those nations would most likely have to become client-states, like Lineas-Baires was. Probably have to accept Valdemar laws. I don't see any of the present monarchs doing such a thing. I can see something like a UN, where forces from each of the Allied countries would fight against the Empire (which *does* have a name, btw. Kero calls it the Aurinalean Empire in BTS). Just like they did in WFury. In this case, the Companion/Heralds would be guests in the country they were fighting from. Sort of like heavily-armed diplomats. ;) I was rather ticked about Florian, too. I liked him. Of course, he'll be back. :) I wasn't aware there were basic rules about reincarnation. I always assumed the personality was the reincarnated part. Gender never mattered. I do think Companion Pilane is the reincarnation of the girl Pilane, though. It would explain his interest in butterflies very easily. After all, that isn't exactly a normal hobby for a Companion, probably. Of course, when are the Companions ever normal? :) Anne McCaffrey: I can't comment much on the gay thread, really don't want to, either. I can comment on the religion thing. I don't read her Pern novels. For some reason the only novels she's written that I like are her newest sci-fi series. The first is Freedom's Landing and the second is Freedom's Choice. There should be new one out soon. It's about a group of humans who are abducted from Earth and are basically dropeped on a planet to colonize it. If they survive, good. If not, the aliens who took them abandon the planet as a possible new home. She has mentioned religion in them. One of the things that struck me, and I'm not even Christian anymore, was that one of the characters (minor, just a mention really) was a Catholic priest and bemoaning the fact that he didn't have his usual paraphenalia to conduct services and one of the other characters comforts him and brings him around to the fact that he doesn't need them, just his message. I liked that. I actually did. And this from a deist. Go figure. Oh, also, on the subject of kids books. Anybody else read Animorphs? Yes? Yes? If so, what do you think? Okay, the rest is fluff. Ignore if you like. :) Yvonne: Hmm. And I thought selkies were cool? Maybe I'll just have to rethink my fave mythical creatures list? *smile* Of course, I am a water-lover, so the "welcome" didn't hurt me too much, just my vanity. Dreams/ESP: FallenAngel, I've never had a dream where I can picture myself actually living a former life. I do believe in rencarnation, though. Maybe that's why I'm obsessed with certain historical periods and can do w/out others. Ah, who knows. I could die tomorrow and be dispersed. If I did enough wrong with this life, that is. Kaki, I think if that had happened to me, I wouldn't just be crying. They'd be carting me off in a fashionable white jacket. Well, maybe not fashionable, but white, at least. Shadowspun *****A book is the only place in which you can examine a fragile thought without breaking it, or explore an explosive idea without fear it will go off in your face..."--Edward P. Morgan***** _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1525 **********************************