MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1534 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Cinderella:Not Misty at all by Anna 2) Cinderella / Eldan / Lavan Firestorm by shadowspun-+AT+-juno.com (Heather A Tomlinson) 3) Cinderella / Hall of Mist by AERDEN-+AT+-delphi.com 4) fluff and stuff by BCarlew 5) Braid: Lots o' stuff by "John E Morris" 6) reminder and age by "Chris Goldbach" 7) Re: MIST: A visit from the Mage by "Mark Severson" 8) Fairy Tales -- NO MISTY by Niki Nibbe 9) by "Lisa Tunnicliff" 10) OK, it turned into a Braid by Sorchafyr 11) Hall of Mist and Disney by AERDEN-+AT+-delphi.com 12) RE: Cinderella by fenris-+AT+-ptdprolog.net (Taynar Fenrir) 13) Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 1533 by "Angie" 14) Re: Cinderella / faerie tales by "Vrondi" 15) Fluff:Re: OK, it turned into a Braid by Tifalheart-+AT+-webtv.net (April Hunt) 16) a newbie by Ashley Gibbs 17) hello? by "Nelson Greenslade" 18) Re: hello? by Tifalheart-+AT+-webtv.net (April Hunt) 19) A reminder on Grimms brothers by "ANDREA HUNTER" 20) Greetings by Anna 21) Faerie Tales / Eldan by katiekins2-+AT+-juno.com (Katie Snyder) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 21:54:03 -0400 From: Anna To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Cinderella:Not Misty at all Message-ID: <3517123B.6842D962-+AT+-nbnet.nb.ca> Hmmmm, I happen to have a scanner and happen to have a copy of the Grimm's Complete Fairy Tales and happen to have some web space, (can you see where I'm going with this) So, I put a copy of Cinderella up on the web, the way the Grimm brothers presented it. Hope you guys are don't mind. If there is any other story you are interested in, or if you want me to mail it to you, just let me know. BTW: I tried to site the book as the source, but there is no info there. Oh, I guess you will want to know where it is then. http://personal.nbnet.nb.ca/anna/cinderella.htm ----- Anna (and 'Tasia) If I had my life to live over again, I'd be a plumber. - Albert Einstein ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:55:26 EST From: shadowspun-+AT+-juno.com (Heather A Tomlinson) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Cinderella / Eldan / Lavan Firestorm Message-ID: <19980323.185348.6367.0.shadowspun-+AT+-juno.com> I just looked in my Grimms and found the reason the Prince spread pitch on the stairs. Cinderella had gone to the ball the two nights before, each night in a dress more beautiful than before, of course. Obviously the prince was a smart enough fellow to realize she'd do it again and made his plan accordingly. If you want to leap to conclusions, Eldan was mentioned in AFlight. :) Here we are: "...a tale being told with some skill by a middle-aged Herald whose twin streaks of gray, one at each temple, stood out startlingly in the firelight." p56 "Talia was astonished to see the Queen, dressed in old, worn leathers, sharing a cloak and resting her head in easy intimacy on the shoulder of the middle-aged storyteller." p65 That's if you want to draw conclusions. ;) *Is* there going to be a book about Lavan Firestorm? That would be fun. Shadowspun & Hobgood "I'm not always right, but I'm never wrong." ;p _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 22:04:12 -0500 (EST) From: AERDEN-+AT+-delphi.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Cinderella / Hall of Mist Message-ID: <01IV0S0IPTMA94U4O3-+AT+-delphi.com> On 23-MAR-1998 15:48:57.0 mercedes-lackey said to AERDEN me>Kaki Notestine wrote: me>> My housemates did not know that the me>>REAL Cinderella gets the dress not from a fairy, but from a tree that me>>grows from her mother's grave, and that her stepsisters cut off their me>toes me>>and heels to fit in the shoe. Let alone that they get their eyes me>plucked me>>out at the wedding... Ugh! Shades of Emperor Cartagia.... I think I prefer the Disney version, overly-cute mouse friends and all, to that kind of gory stuff. I was told once that Cinderella's slipper was actually made of fur, not of glass. Books with gay characters..._The Catch Trap_ by MZB and _Torsos_ by...someone whose name I forgot. It is a novelization of a true series of murders of homosexual men that took place in Cleveland, Ohio (I think) in the 1930's or so. Eliot Ness is also a character. It is a very good book, IMO, but quite graphic, especially in the first chapter. Some people might be offended by that and other activities portrayed later in the novel. /// (Hall of Mist story/fluff) Healer Aerden looks up from the fascinating neurosurgery book he was reading, to gaze in startlement at the Mage of Green Silences and the two men who he hadn't previously noticed arguing. The Mage looks VASTLY different from the way he did a few weeks ago, Aerden thinks. When did the silvery-gray hair turn black? He would love to master that trick, he thinks, when he gets to be, oh, 47 or so. His young daughter will surely have given him gray hair by then. Finally, the Mage ends his 'discussion.' Aerden nods and smiles at a couple of listsibs who pass by, then returns to his exploration of the Circle of Willis and other intriguing parts of neuroanatomy. The bookmark dangling from his textbook reads, 'I Break for "Mystic Stream!"' Chantal (returning to semi-lurk mode) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 23:15:41 EST From: BCarlew To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: fluff and stuff Message-ID: Hi all! I'm delurking for a comment and a bit of fluff. Anna said that she did not read one of the arrows books because of the cover art, well this is funny because I started reading Misty because I liked the cover of MPr. I had never heard of her before that after I read the book I was hooked and I remain a die-hard Misty fan to this day. Barbara leaves off her Cleric duties to visit the Halls Of Mist. *It's been a long time since I've been here* She decides not to stay away for so long next time. *All this schooling is to rough on me.* She sends a warm welcome to all the newbies along with a gift of fleecy stuffed sheep, sending to them all *These sheep may go with you whenever your away from us, so that they can remind you that we are here and always ready to talk.* She decides to wander around and watch all that is going on now. *ooh a hotspring, me thinks I need a soak* Sorry for the bad fluff, but I need a few more days toget my creativity back WTTW, Barbara and Asari ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 00:04:24 -0500 From: "John E Morris" To: "Mercedes Lackey List" Subject: Braid: Lots o' stuff Message-ID: <01bd56e2$50690760$b0109cd1-+AT+-default> >I am convinced Disney is evil. Well, maybe not evil, but it annoys me. Uh oh - it's time to reprogram both our chips - you know, those chips that get implanted through your ear whenever you sleep at a Disney hotel or rest your head against the headrest on a Disney ride....I think that Bill Gates and Michael Eisner are plotting together to take over the world. >... Disney has ALWAYS taken adult stories and prettied them up so toddlers could sing along. The really ironic thing is that the Brothers Grimm were trying to do the same thing. Sure, the stories seem rough compared to the Disney versions, but compared to the versions passed down for centuries via oral tradition, the BG tales are positively boring. Remember, in the original version, Little Red Ridding Hood and her Grandmother don't get rescued and Hansel and Gretel become fodder for the witch - the stories were meant to be warnings to children about misbehaving. On a somewhat more modern note, however, The Little Mermaid dies. Mh my God, they killed the little Mermaid The one argument I've heard in support of revisionist myth is that perhaps >it will inspire kids to go out and read the real thing. However, I think >it's hooey. Myth means something and we still love and read it because it >tells us stories about gut level things like murder, anger, incest, >jealousy, loneliness...By diluting it down into singable chunks it just >loses meaning, and soon I don't think we'll care about it anymore. Damn straight! We read it, after all. There is something wrong with a society that thinks we have to dumb down our literature so that it will appeal to children. Kids learned and enjoyed these tales (as well as others) for centuries without our help. The same applies to Shakespeare - I think that someone mentioned the Leonardo di Caprio version of Romeo and Juliet - In his day, Shakespeares works were as popular as MTV and Melrose Place are today. The average man loved them then, and I think that if given a chance now, he could still. >I always assumed that Misty probably helped with the drawings, rather like >one gives a description to a sketch artist, and approved them before they >went to press...But I've been disappointed regardless. Personally, I've never liked artists pictures in novels. I think that the author's descriptions should be sufficient to give us a mental picture of the characters. Otherwise, he or she isn't doing the job... >It does seem in Winds and Storms that Firesong has so much more power than any other mage in the >books. I'm not so sure whether it was a matter of power or of training - had Elspeth the opportunity to grow up in a magic-rich environment such as Firesong, who is to say that she wouldn't have been as powerful? >Here we are: "...a tale being told with some skill by a middle-aged >Herald whose twin streaks of gray, one at each temple, stood out >startlingly in the firelight." p56 Hmm...it's interesting, but a real stretch. Given the span of years between the two books, I find it hard to credit that ML had Eldan in mind here. Maybe she took this moment from AFlight and expounded upon it, but I don't think she had Eldan in mind when AFlight was written... >to check out Andrew Lang's colored Fairy Books. Start with the Blue Fairy Book and work through >them. They are essentially a catalog of wonder tales from many different cultures Great advice - I have always loved the Lang Fairy Books and own perhaps eight or nine of them...they are arguably the greatest collection of fiary tales ever collected, written in a style that is eminently readable by adult and child as well. John E. Morris "They're having a MamaThon - In the South that can last all night" - Emma Thompson in "Primary Colors" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 21:33:42 PST From: "Chris Goldbach" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: reminder and age Message-ID: <19980324053343.5236.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Chris steps out of the mist with Safa her faithful bondbird sitting relaxed on her shoulder. Waving a Heyla to everyone she makes a quick statement to remind everyone the reason we are all on this list... Because we have one thing in common if nothing else. We all enjoy fantasy and Mercedes Lackey. Just because we like the same author, and enjoy talking about the characters, books, and the writting in general, does not necessarily mean that everything else in our lives will agree too. We must all accept that we have different views on other things. So lets just remember why we are here to speak of our love for ML and her books. Thank you. That said she turns to a different subject... Hey whoever talked about the Hawkbrothers and living as long as Shadowbane, you talked about ML not saying anything about the Hawkbrothers not living any longer than any other Human. Though they deffinatly don't live 500 years or so they do tend to live a little longer. In TLHM MPrice I think, I don't have the book with me for sure, Sayvil went to her friends Starwind and Moondance for help with the leechblades and when Starwind and Moondance appear Sayvil is still amazed at how young they look and how it had been ten or twenty years since the last time she had seen them and they still looked the same and certainly no older. She stated that it is the heartstone that keeps them looking so young and it also keeps them healthy but that when they do start to go it all happens at once. This leads me to believe that they do have a longer life span but that when they do die that they die all at once. Because of the heartstone. Didn't she also say in MPawn that Starwind was older than her but that you could never tell because he never seemed to age. I seem to remeber her saying something to that affect while she was first talking to Starwind after they had arrived there to start to heal adn teach Vanyel. does anyone else agree with me on the lifespan thing? I am not sure. If anyone finds either of the text that I have indicated could you tell me if I am right or wrong?? These are just my thoughts. Chris dissolves back into the mist and dissappears waiting for another day when she my put her two cents in again. Waiving good bye to her fellow listsibs and with safa sending warm feelings of friendship to everyone and their bondmates. Wind to thy wings listsibs Chris and safa ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 21:53:47 -0600 From: "Mark Severson" To: Subject: Re: MIST: A visit from the Mage Message-ID: <000c01bd56d8$73965a80$226cb4cd-+AT+-markttz.eonet.com> My apoligizes to the Mage of Silence, and to the rest of the group. My only excuse as feeble as it is that as my name denotes during this time of year I become some what of a zombie and this mailing list is a sancuary from the daily madness. Having gone six weeks without a day off my temper has worn rather thin. Imagine if you will, a old grizzly bear rudely awakened from his winter slumber. It's better for all if he stays clear of others. To put it bluntly I get a burned out during this time of year which tends to lead to a short fuse. It would probably be better for all if I remained a recluse during this time of year. I will even go so far to apoligize to you John should you bother to read this. I think you will find over time that all is not fair in the world and while you may try to change it you will find yourself cursing the darkness a great deal. Light a candle instead, that way you will at least find light in one small area. With that I think it is best I leave for now, I'll return to my corner of the library and mutter away. And I'll remember to light my own candle. Mark the tax zombie. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 22:40:21 -0800 From: Niki Nibbe To: Mercedes Lackey Discussion Subject: Fairy Tales -- NO MISTY Message-ID: <35175552.E981F33F-+AT+-earthlink.net> Sorry for the non-Misy fluff, and this is a bit short...but wanted to thank Katie for bringing up Into the Woods. For anybody who is fond of fairy tails, and the Brothers Grimm especially, I highly, highly recommend Into the Woods. I finally saw it on TV a couple of months ago -- now I can keep up with my friends' inside jokes *sigh* It's really, really funny. It takes at least three story lines (lessee...Cinderella, Jack & the Beanstalk, little Red Riding Hood,...hm. Maybe one more?), and they all take place in the course of a night in the woods, and the characters interact. Absolute must for musical fans and fairy tale fans. Oh, and wanted to add my "me too" on Eldan...he's great. Wish I could find my BTS...it's almost time to break down and buy another one. *pout* Love and chocolate bunnies (hey, it's about that time, you know)...and marshmallow sheep, while I'm at it... Niki, FBotFR, Councilor of Mist ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:24:29 EST From: "Lisa Tunnicliff" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Message-ID: <19980324092430.23123.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> :The 3 stooges, finally getting a chance to enter the halls of mist, decide to add their $0.02 worth to the converstation: About the fairy tales - This is knid of related, but recently an author named Terri Windling (along with others) set set out to 'modernise' fairy tales. In an anthology called "the armless madain" the fairy tales are more gory, and real. e.g the one about the girl whose father wants her due to her being in the image of his dead wife - in the Normal version she runs away. In this version - he marries her. Actually I find it refreshing, as it is not 'sanatised' for kiddoies. Obmisty: I just fined reading Owlfight and loved it!!! I can't wait to find Owlsight! With that Hawkbrothers - I'm sure that ALL adepts live longer than others - didn't Kethery say something about increasing her liffespan and puttting of menopause? That's all folks the Three stooges: Lisa, Claude and Uni ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 04:36:05 EST From: Sorchafyr To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: OK, it turned into a Braid Message-ID: Heyla listsibs: What comes of not reading your mail for 3 days? Too many things to reply to and a short post turns into a braid, necesitating a rewrite of your whole opening! Beware and learn from my lessons! ***************************************************************************** Councellor Cennydd writes: > We can also lament, to some extent, the state of affairs in the world of writing. But we should remember that the only real way that we entitle ourselves to complain vociferously is to become writers and do our best to present the sort of characters that we want to see. It's the classic situation: if you don't like something, you can either complain or you can try and do a better job. The first option is not one that most people will put up with for long if it is not accompanied by the second option. At least, that was how I was raised: you don't criticize someone strongly or harshly unless you are willing to do the same job they are doing and try and do it better. > (Note: read the following in a purely curious voice, no sarcasm or anything else) Does this mean that you think of writing as a "craft" which can be learned, as opposed to an "art" which incorporates an element of inborn talent? I do agree with the sentiment that we should stop sitting on our duffs complaining when we don't like something. I also notice you did say "do our best". I have been trying for the last 10 minutes to elaborate on this, but nothing I come up with sounds quite like I want, so I'll just let the original question stand. ****************************************************************************** ***** Yvonne Shadowshape writes: Ah, but you can have an empath that was insane to start with. If there are real masochists out there who enjoy being miserable because they feel they somehow deserve it, who can say that there would not be empaths with something akin? And lets not forget those ends-justify-the-means people who sincerely believe they are doing the right thing no matter how much it hurts themselves and others. Are empaths more immune to twisted thinking? Interesting thought, and I could be wrong here, I would be interested in opposing views. Just because you can *feel* someone else does that necessarily make you *understand* someone else? Another sort of related thought, I'll bet empaths don't always draw the right conclusions from the emotions they sense? I mean, they know what someone is feeling, is it always easy to guess WHY? (Just read Greg's reply to the same post, and although we raise the same point I'm gonna leave mine in here anyway, I think it's a little different.) ******************************************************************* Something really, REALLY off topic, what is hummus? ******************************************************************** I know the laughing inappropriately topic is almost dead, but my memorable experience was the opposite. When "Batman" first came out, some of us saw it on opening weekend, and the theater, of course, was packed. When Jack Nicholson came into the art gallery and his goons started vandalizing, and he was making comments about the works, the whole theater burst into laughter. Everyone was roaring, and I was looking around thinking "they don't get it." I thought it was scary, very menacing, and everyone was laughing at it. Maybe it's just me. (or Jack Nicholson) ************************************************************************** I read the "colored" fairy books when I was between 7 and 9 (don't remember exactally) and loved them. I didn't notice the "violence" in the stories, it was just a part of the story (although I must say the part about cutting off anatomy stuck with me). From a child's perspective, it just wasn't important, nor did it give me nightmares (and I was, and am, a person who scares easily). However, at the same time I was enjoying "The Aristocats", and still like Disney. *************************************************************************** Hall of Mist: Sorchafyr, who has been quietly thinking deep things, and occasionally being startled out of her reverie by various apperances of chocolate, flowers and other gifts, finally takes a deep breath and looks around. She sees Fluff, her aquatic sheep gifted indirectly by Yvonne, snuggling up to a startlingly yellow sheep, acting for all the world as if they were long lost siblings. The sheep looked up to her and baaed as one. Sorcha sighed, at this rate she would have to change her name to Bo Peep. The yellow sheep unfocused it's eyes and a small yellow flower appeared in Sorcha's hand. Startled, she looked to the sheep, which she could have sworn wore a small smile. What a useful talent, she thought wryly. What should she name this sheep? Buttercup? Marigold? Daisy? Narcisus? (Don't remember who let this sheep loose in the hall, but I did take note of it at the time. Could you let me know if it already had a name? Thanks) ************************************************************************ Well, that's quite enough for one day. I know there was something else, but if I remember it I'll save it. Thank your lucky stars. Sorchafyr, Knight of Fluff and Fluff, the aquatic sheep ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 06:54:56 -0500 (EST) From: AERDEN-+AT+-delphi.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Hall of Mist and Disney Message-ID: <01IV1AJKCSW2964F0U-+AT+-delphi.com> On 23-MAR-1998 23:20:29.2 mercedes-lackey said to AERDEN /////Hall of Mist me>gift of fleecy stuffed sheep, sending to them all *These sheep may me>go with you whenever your away from us, so that they can remind me>you that we are here and always ready to talk.* Aerden finishes reading about the four arteries that branch to form the Circle of Willis and feels something bump against his leg. He looks down to see a stuffed sheep looking up at him. "Well, hello." he bends down to pick up the sheep. "Where did you come from?" He looks around to see if anyone dropped a sheep, but it seems that everyone else in the Hall has one, too. "Hm, I guess you're with me, then." He reads the tag on the sheep's collar: "From Barbara," and smiles. "Thank you, Barbara," he says, knowing that the message will get to her. The Hall of Mist is even better than message drums that way. ///// Re: Disney--Normally, I can't stand what Disney does to most things, such as _Hunchback of Notre Dame_, _Pocahontas_, and so forth. I really think that if they are going to do movies based on novels or history, they should darn well stick to the story as written and the history as it was lived, or why bother remaking it in the first place? I would absolutely hate to see a Disney theme park devoted to American history; there's no telling what they would do to it. ::shudder:: How do you Disney-ize the Battle of Gettysburg, for instance? I don't wan to know.... Chantal ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 13:03:48 GMT From: fenris-+AT+-ptdprolog.net (Taynar Fenrir) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: RE: Cinderella Message-ID: <199803241303.NAA09598-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> Just have a moment so this will be quick =) If I remember back correctly, one of the earliest version of Cinderella was a Russian tale and that her slippers were fur (thank whoever for mentioning the fur and jogging my memory). Chantal Wrote: > How do you Disney-ize the Battle of >Gettysburg, for instance? I don't wan to know.... > That statement will give me nightmares, I live only 1.5 hours from the battlefield and would hate to see it littered by autotronic rebels in mouse ears. I Taynar Fenrir I "If it wasn't for reality we wouldn't I fenris-+AT+-ptdprolog.net I be needing all this fantasy." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 21:02:23 +0800 From: "Angie" To: Subject: Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 1533 Message-ID: <01bd5725$168eb6a0$0100007f-+AT+-localhost> heyla all! :But Firesong still had less power than Vanyel (at least, I interpreted that). I also thought Elspeth had :lots and lots of power, more so even than Darkwind, IMI. Plus, she had a new way of looking at things :Adrienne okie. I always thought that Firesong _should_ have more power than Van. Granted, Magic _did_ change over the years (for the worse more oft than not), but Van was erhem..."only" an Adept. Firesong was not only an Adept, he had "Healing" attached to the front. Van appears more powerful cos he gave Firesong advice and could control/warp his Gate (read WoFury). Elspeth prob had the same amount of Power as Darkwind, she just had new ideas as compared to DW's stasis. :I know! Eldan. Does anyone else feel that Misty just came up with him as :a nice plot twist in BTS? :-Katie I liked Eldan's character, and it was wierd that Misty just kinda threw him away. It's as if his character was just invented because she wanted Kero to have a relationship.... *shrugs* ( ) Wind to thy Wings ) ( Shadowblade mindmate to Raul <====+====> Elven Archer-Mage of Fairgrove >>~~~~~> | | High Priestess of the Goddess of the Elves | | High Priestess of OOPS, | | NoIsE ApPrENticE!!!!! | | Grand Dame of The Order of Namers | | Member of the Mistic Circle | | Check out my homepage at ~> | | http://members.tripod.com/~Shadowblade | | "It's not my fault!" -- Han Solo \/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 01:26:07 +0000 From: "Vrondi" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Cinderella / faerie tales Message-ID: <19980324104105.27873.qmail-+AT+-dns01.ops.usa.net> > From: katiekins2-+AT+-juno.com (Katie Snyder) > The first version is from Grimms' MSrchen. (I found a copy that I forgot > I had, 'cause it's in German, and thus I don't look at it much.) The > textevd is in German, so I won't give it, but if you want it feel free to > e-mail me off-list. I'll just sum up the large differences -- > 2) When she can't go to the ball, Cinderella cries on her mother's grave > and a bird drops the beautiful dress on her, along with *golden* > slippers. > 3) Doesn't say anything about midnight or anything, just that when she > leaves the Prince can't run as fast as her, so he can't keep up with her. > Also, he had (who knows when he thought to do this, or how much havoc it > created later on) put glue on the stairs so that when she left her shoe > was stuck there. this is the version I've heard referred to as the original. Anyways, whether it be or no, there's a humorous musical by Stephen Sondheim called "Into the Woods" that weaves a bunch of faerie tales together, and it uses this version of Cinderella. If you liek faerie tales, and like to laugh, locate that musical! Also, someone referred to liking the darkness of the Grimm's faerie tales. There's a book of re-written faerie tales by Tanith Lee called "Red as Blood: Tales From the Sisters Grimmer". It is beyond excellent. I'd like to hear more about faerie tales on Velgarth. Surely they have some. Not just the tales of Sun and Shadow or Vanyel Demonsbane. -Vrondi _____________________________________________________ Chrys' Dragon Page: http://edweb.concord.wvnet.edu/~deanca Chrys' Celtic Page: http://wvnvm.wvnet.edu/~cna00104 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:44:54 -0700 From: Tifalheart-+AT+-webtv.net (April Hunt) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Fluff:Re: OK, it turned into a Braid Message-ID: <199803241744.JAA03413-+AT+-mailtod-131.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Jeanne Riverwolf looked up sharply as Clover chose a partner, her face sparkling in mischief. Then she heard the cry for help. Well, not really a cry for help, but more like somone asking 'who let this sheep loose?' She made a mad dash for Sorchafyr, apologizing to Taynar for interrupting the conversation, and skidded to a halt in front of Clover and Sorcha just as Clover began to deposit flowers in eyeryones hands. Which was quite a feat, for they just appeared there, without warning, the instant a person would upturn their palms, or suddenly sprout from behind people's ears. "um," she said nervously to Sorcha. "Her name is Clover, the reason being that she creates yellow-clover flowers, and clovers on the rare occasion that she feels like eating them. Four leaved ones, in fact. I must say, she's never done that before."Jeanne said pointing to the circlet of clover and flowers which had grown on her forehead during the short speech she was making. "I hope you two are very happy together!" And with that last line, Jeanne ran back across the Hall, and stopped. Someone had let a very large, very white tiger loose in the room, and though none of the listsibs seemed to mind, he was making an absolute mess trying to eat pita and hummus. She planted her hands firmly on her hips, and did her best spoiled brat impersonation. "You great silly beast. Who released you in here? Didn't they know that you have a hard time eating hummus?"she shot an accusatory glance back in the direction of Clover and Sorcha, who were both in the rapt expression mode of most bondmates, not only in the first few minutes, but for the rest of their lives. :I suspect that you too will soon be wearing that exact same face in but a moment.:said an amused male mind-voice. "Oh, no."Jeanne backed away slowly, noticing that it was nearly impossible as there was now an invisible wall behind her. "I mean, I always wanted to be with you, but have I done anything to deserve you?" :Of course you have. You have given one person a great gift, and deserve one in return. My name is Serran ni'Grotto, and you are Jeanne. We belong together.:he said once into her mind. Jeanne felt suddenly weak. This was the moment, a realization of her greatest dream. She started to let herself sink to the floor in astonishment, noticing that she ended up resting on a furry, white with black striped couch, which seemed to be breathing. :Of course Im breathing. Im your mindmate.Oh, and you can call me Serran: he said, and Jeanne was pretty sure that the last bit of that was transmitted in public mode so that everyone would know that he most definately was now bonded to someone. Someone who would very soon have to get up and clean his hummus and pita mess up off the once-pristine floor. We interrupt this tagline to bring you a special report. "The world is running amok today due to the recent increase in tagline interruption. This gross crime robs us of our humanity, and causes severe psycological harm." Now back to your regularily scheduled tagline. 8-þ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 12:35:17 -0800 (PST) From: Ashley Gibbs To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: a newbie Message-ID: <19980324203517.24200.rocketmail-+AT+-send1b.yahoomail.com> "Thanks to all for the greetings. Hmm, I guess I needed a dousing. Oh, about the black hair, green eyes-" She drops the illusion, revealing silver streaks dominating her hair and eyes more gray-sliver than green. "yes, I'm a mage. My friends call me the Fire Mage. I'm just recently Adept. I guess it'll take me a little getting used to."-shrug- -------------------- BTW, I don't know if this has ever come up before, but Kethry became an Adept in Oathbreakers. Did her hair and eyes ever bleach? I don't remember any mention of that. Kethry's one of my favorites. I really like Karal, too, even though I don't feel I know him as well as I knew Talia. StarFire _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free -+AT+-yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:45:09 -0400 From: "Nelson Greenslade" To: Subject: hello? Message-ID: <01bd5765$bc576740$95f1a4c6-+AT+-epzfbrwg> Ummm,hi! I guess I'm added to the list... Well, I have no idea how to go about this.Start at the beginning,right? I go by Elsa, I'm 15 and I live in New Brunswick, one of the Atlantic provinces of Canada. I'm an only child; I have auburn hair and hazel eyes (this is just to disprove any notions of me being the stereotypical "dumb blond"). I first read Mercedes Lackey in one of the books she wrote with Anne McCaffrey, a few short stories here and there, and then I jumped into the middle of the Mage Winds Trilogy and she's been my favorite author ever since. I've read most of the Velgarth books, the Bardic Voices trilogy, Bedlam Boyz, and the ones involving Kory,Eric,and Beth. Also lots of short stories, of course.^_^ Well, I have no idea if that was too long or not long enough or what, so somebody tell me when I make a boo-boo! I can take critisism(sp?),really! Follow your heart always, Elsa ,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,., "Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:25:33 -0700 From: Tifalheart-+AT+-webtv.net (April Hunt) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: hello? Message-ID: <199803242125.NAA11170-+AT+-mailtod-132.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Elsa came into the Halls of MIST, and before anyone else could get to her, Jeanne Riverwolf's new white-tiger mind mate sprang up, making sure that his beloved partner was doing well first, of course, and yelled :This one's MINE!: He then proceeded to *POUNCE* on Elsa and *lick* her, too. Jeanne shortly followed him over to the newest of the newbies. "Don't mind Serran, Its just his way of saying hello! By the way, here's a towel for you when the bucket carring Yvonne and Seashimmer finally get around to saying hello." So saying, she waved her hand and again appeared a warm magical towel wrapped in a waterproof material. "Sans the Clover flower, though I am sure you will recieve all sorts of gifts when the listsibs get ahold of you. Welcome, oh newest member of our ever expanding family." She smiled at Elsa's bewilderment, then bowed herself back into her corner, beconing Serran ni'Grotto to follow. I had noticed that the more titles one has, the more mail you do not have to read or respond to. Is this true? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:02:55 +0000 From: "ANDREA HUNTER" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: A reminder on Grimms brothers Message-ID: <543F7BF69DC-+AT+-cottey.edu> Hullo I would like to remind or state that the Grimms did something over ten versions or edits of their original tales. My Professor told us repeatedly that a lot of the oral tradition was lost because of rewrites and extensions of descriptions on the first original tales. So while I can not say which one came first I just wanted to remind or state that the versions of the fairy tales themselves have changed through countless retellings. Whether ultimately one could track down the ORIGINAL version of Cindrella or any tale type is probably a big NO. But we can date certain versions and where they came from but I doubt There would be much resemblence between today's Cinderella and the original. Thank you for listening to my off topic babble Wind to thy Wings "Love is the only thing worth living for, the rest of it is a bunch of ********." -Mary F. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:05:40 -0400 From: Anna To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Greetings Message-ID: <35183C44.44CA7477-+AT+-nbnet.nb.ca> ***Stepping forward out of the shadows, Anna quietly moves to Elsa's side. "Greetings listsib, I see I am not the first to welcome you to the list. I too make my home in New Brunswick when I am not in the Hall. I see you have already been given a towel, so I will give this mirror. If you are quick enough, when they come to greet you with the water, you can repel it back at them. But you have only one chance. The mirror will dissolve after one usage. This is a gift from myself and 'Tasia. She is over teasing the twins Beltain and Samhain." Anna quickly mindsends for her to come and meet Elsa and gives a mental apology to Taynar. "'Tasia, meet Elsa, no teasing 'Tasia, for we come from the same place. Be safe Elsa, and have here. I'm fairly new myself and I already feel like I among family." Anna steps back into the shadows warning 'Tasia about losing tail feathers if Beltain and Samhain become too agitated.*** >This is just to disprove any notions of me being the stereotypical "dumb blond". I don't know how anyone could think you would a "dumb blond" when you read Misty. In fact, I'd say you are on the upside of the pecking order. (not that I'm biased or anything ...) Wind to thy Wings Blessed Be! -- Anna and 'Tasia, the little white owl. Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds. - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 18:19:07 -0600 From: katiekins2-+AT+-juno.com (Katie Snyder) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Faerie Tales / Eldan Message-ID: <19980324.181908.12382.1.katiekins2-+AT+-juno.com> shadowspun wrote: >I just looked in my Grimms and found the reason the Prince spread pitch >on the stairs. Cinderella had gone to the ball the two nights before, >each night in a dress more beautiful than before, of course. Obviously >the prince was a smart enough fellow to realize she'd do it again and >made his plan accordingly. Odd, I didn't notice this in my version. Let me go check . . . yea, I guess it is. I guess that's what comes of reading in a second language . Niki wrote: > It takes at least three story lines (lessee...Cinderella, >Jack & the Beanstalk, little Red Riding Hood,...hm. Maybe one more?), It also has Rapunzel, and I think the Baker thing has to be another story, though I don't know it. Also, in the second act they add Sleeping Beauty and Snow White (re: the second "Agony," and the princes show up with them at the end). PS -- Don't you *love* the "Agony" songs? Thanks to all for the textevd on Eldan in AFlight. I'd never noticed this before (well, I noticed the scene, but didn't connect it with Eldan -- probably because I read Arrows first, then BTS, and when I get back to reading Arrows again, I've forgotten most of what happens in the other books). Shadowblade wrote: >I liked Eldan's character, and it was wierd that Misty just kinda threw him >away. It's as if his character was just invented because she wanted Kero to >have a relationship.... *shrugs* This is exactly how I feel. I think he deserves better. Hugs and sheep to all Katie _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1534 **********************************