MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1549 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Shin'a'in, T & K (ages, etc.) by Adrienne 2) Re: Shin'a'in, T & K (ages, etc.) by Amanda Carlston 3) List of Misty's books by "FallenAngel" 4) Re: Shin'a'in, T & K (ages, etc.) by Malkavia Enterprises 5) Short no misty request for help by "QuickStar" 6) by "Lisa Tunnicliff" 7) Flions by Rainbow 8) Re: your mail by Lyssa Betler 9) Diana Tregarde by littlebees-+AT+-bbs.tsf.com 10) Re: Short no misty request for help by Malkavia Enterprises 11) Fluff and a kinda OBMisty . . . by Danielle May Marrone 12) Diana Tregarde by REEVEL-+AT+-Acad.Ripon.EDU 13) Re: Shin'a'in, T & K (ages, etc.) by Adrienne Metz 14) Re: Alberich/posting new release dates/bit o fluff by lady_fire-eyes-+AT+-juno.com (Sorsha T Al'Lindre) 15) Diana Tregarde by littlebees-+AT+-bbs.tsf.com 16) Braid: Diana Tregarde, Tarma&Keth, etc. by Jennifer Dorn 17) Pretty pointless braid by dprono-+AT+-planet.eon.net 18) Lemme try that again... by Divine Knight Ámp 19) Tiger & Del / good &bad guys / Re: Tarma&Keth by katiekins2-+AT+-juno.com (Katie Snyder) 20) Re: Delurk, braid, Relurk by AprilS81 21) Re: Tarma&Keth by Shadowdancer 22) Re: Shin'a'in, T & K (ages, etc.) by AprilS81 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 20:02:07 -0700 From: Adrienne To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Shin'a'in, T & K (ages, etc.) Message-ID: At 03:24 AM 4/7/98 +0100, Katie wrote: I also thought a lot about this when I read these books. I mostly came up with the same numbers, but I though the initial ages were closer to 14/15 for Tarma (Kethry speculates right at the beginning of Obound how young Tarma really is) and Kethry is 18 or so because it said she'd been away about 4 years and I thought she was about 14 when her brother "sold" her. My books are in NE, so I have no proof of this, just what I recall thinking. Adrienne >2. I have been trying to figure out T&K's ages (as it's been driving me >absolutely *insane* -- not that I wasn't insane before ), and would >like some info (since I can't find Obound and I haven't been able to >afford Oblood yet). Can anyone tell me how old they were at the >beginning of Obreakers? I figure they must have been around 20 when they >met (though I don't remember very well), and after that, they must have >spent at least a few years building their rep, and it was their third >year in Idra's company, so that puts them about 26. Then, by the end >they're about 28. Then, does anyone know how long it took before Keth >&Jadrek had their first kid, and how long between the kids? I know >there're stories about the kids in Oblood, so I thought maybe . . . >Anyway, I figure since Lenore is the youngest of 7, so that means >*minimum* 35. Then Lenore got married at 17 or 18, had Keth maybe a >couple of years later, so that takes them to 55. Then Keth is 17 (I >think) when she goes on her quest, which makes them at least 72 when she >goes to train with them. After about three years there, maybe 5 years in >the Skybolts w/Lerryn, another year before she became Captain, 10 years >as Captain, and another year or so with the Valdemar campaign, that makes >at least 90 by the end of BTS. Means they must be somewhere in their >100s by Storms, so it makes sense that Tarma's dead. And, yes, I know >I've already spent a lot of time thinking about this, but if anyone has >more specific times, I'd appreciate it . . . I really want to figure this >out so I can *stop* thinking about it . Of course, I doubt anyone >actually made it this far. Oh well . . . > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 23:31:41 -0500 From: Amanda Carlston To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Shin'a'in, T & K (ages, etc.) Message-ID: <199804070431.XAA40760-+AT+-gomer.wiscnet.net> >3. Did anyone else notice that Keth isn't bothered at all when she goes >into Valdemar in Obreakers? I know she's on the border and all, but she >also does an Adept manifestation, which ought to arouse the Watchers at >least a *little* . Does anyone have speculation on this -- maybe >that Misty hadn't solidified the Watchers thing yet? Okay, I think that this was actually answered in a book. Can't remember which one, but I think it was in Winds. Anyway, y'all know that Valdemar's borders expanded after Vanyel put up the protection spell. The protection spell is basically just the air elementals set to 'watch' anyone with mage abilities that came into Valdemar. But air elementals are kinda flighty, and don't pay attention to where the borders actually are. So, the only thing they have to go on is where the 'truth spell' was last cast. They are part of that too. It's the only spell that even a herald without true mage abilities can cast, though I speculate that Heralds with a touch of mage ability probably do it best. But I digress. The fact is that, the borders that the elementals know about fluctuate. A lot. So, sometimes the borders 'shrink,' according to where the truth spell was last cast. And any person with mage abilities may come into Valdemar, because they won't be bothered unless they actually cast a spell (which explains why Helda [sp?, I don't have the Arrows books with me] was able to stay in Valdemar as Elspeth's nurse for so long), and the more spells that they cast, the worse it is for them. Most of them can't stand more then one or two. Apparently it feels like someone is always looking over your shoulder. *shake* Well, I hope that this helped a little. It's really too late for me to be trying to write anything intelligent. Lates! Danann's blessing upon thee! Ashandra Member of the Order of Unsung Heros [Kris, Dirk, Terenil, FX] _____ ____ _____ / ____|/ __ \ / ____| Please help bring all 200 episodes of Sailor | (___ | | | | (___ Moon + the Movies to America by visiting: \___ \| | | |\___ \ ============================================ ____) | |__| |____) | http://looney.physics.sunysb.edu/sos/ |____ave\____ur___ailors!============================================ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 00:56:56 -0700 From: "FallenAngel" To: Subject: List of Misty's books Message-ID: <000901bd61fa$c2a8c2c0$8e7d1b26-+AT+-skkohnkedelta.edu> I've noticed that some people have been asking for lists of Misty's books, and thought that I would pass on this info: A Bibliography is available at: http://www.herald.co.uk/local_info/lackey_faq/lackey_faq.3.html Last updated: May 25th 1995 http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~ism/lackey/books/index.books.shtml Last updated: 6/29/1996 And Fire Bird Arts has a fairly decent list of Misty's works & related things. http://www.firebirdarts.com/indexml.htm Last updated: 1997 I hope that helps y'all to find what you're looking for. I will warn you, these aren't completely up-to-date ~ but I've discovered some titles in these three places that I was unaware of, so thought that they might be of some use to you. FallenAngel ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Kathryn Shannon http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/9421 Priestess of OOPS Mistic Watcher for Mistic Circle http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6543 Winner of the Gryphonheart Fantasy Award http://www.gryphonheart.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 02:00:31 -0400 From: Malkavia Enterprises To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Shin'a'in, T & K (ages, etc.) Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980407020029.00693ce4-+AT+-pop.mindspring.com> Exactamundo on all counts. I remember the explanation desticntly. I think where Keth was was not part of Valdemar in Vanyel's day, I'm fairly certain. I know in one of the other books there is such an instance. The magic not used part is also right. It was Helga, I do beleive. And as long as she used no magic, she was fine. We learn later that Need had alot of trouble with Valdemar, especially upon waking, until the elementals were clued in. Lynn At 05:37 AM 4/7/98 +0100, you wrote: > >>3. Did anyone else notice that Keth isn't bothered at all when she goes >>into Valdemar in Obreakers? I know she's on the border and all, but she >>also does an Adept manifestation, which ought to arouse the Watchers at >>least a *little* . Does anyone have speculation on this -- maybe >>that Misty hadn't solidified the Watchers thing yet? > >Okay, I think that this was actually answered in a book. Can't remember >which one, but I think it was in Winds. Anyway, y'all know that Valdemar's >borders expanded after Vanyel put up the protection spell. The protection >spell is basically just the air elementals set to 'watch' anyone with mage >abilities that came into Valdemar. But air elementals are kinda flighty, and >don't pay attention to where the borders actually are. So, the only thing >they have to go on is where the 'truth spell' was last cast. They are part >of that too. It's the only spell that even a herald without true mage >abilities can cast, though I speculate that Heralds with a touch of mage >ability probably do it best. >But I digress. The fact is that, the borders that the elementals know about >fluctuate. A lot. So, sometimes the borders 'shrink,' according to where the >truth spell was last cast. And any person with mage abilities may come into >Valdemar, because they won't be bothered unless they actually cast a spell >(which explains why Helda [sp?, I don't have the Arrows books with me] was >able to stay in Valdemar as Elspeth's nurse for so long), and the more >spells that they cast, the worse it is for them. Most of them can't stand >more then one or two. Apparently it feels like someone is always looking >over your shoulder. >*shake* Well, I hope that this helped a little. It's really too late for me >to be trying to write anything intelligent. Lates! > >Danann's blessing upon thee! > >Ashandra >Member of the Order of Unsung Heros [Kris, Dirk, Terenil, FX] > _____ ____ _____ > / ____|/ __ \ / ____| Please help bring all 200 episodes of Sailor >| (___ | | | | (___ Moon + the Movies to America by visiting: > \___ \| | | |\___ \ ============================================ > ____) | |__| |____) | http://looney.physics.sunysb.edu/sos/ >|____ave\____ur___ailors!============================================ > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 23:25:57 PDT From: "QuickStar" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Short no misty request for help Message-ID: <19980407062557.2679.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> I'm very sorry for posting this I tried to rack my brain for some Obmisty but nothing would come. I just lost my whole ICQ list so those of you who have ICQ would you please be so kind as to mail me your numbers at satori-+AT+-pacific.net Again sorry I couldn't come up with something obmisty *********************************************************** Wind to thy wings Sir Quickstar Defender of the Ladies in distress by decree of Sorana Shadowcat High Priestess of the Goddess of Unicorns *********************************************************** ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 17:02:46 EST From: "Lisa Tunnicliff" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Message-ID: <19980407070247.7204.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Hello to all, from the three Stooges Dax said >Oh, totally off topic (TOT): Excerpts from the InterDimensional Dax >Ownership Manual can be found on my homepage now, it has all the >rules >and some other trivia. Sorry - but felt I HAD to respond! - Dax I loved these - they were SO good!!! >I also thought a lot about this when I read these books. I mostly >came up >with the same numbers, but I though the initial ages were closer to >14/15 >for Tarma (Kethry speculates right at the beginning of Obound how >young >Tarma really is) and Kethry is 18 or so because it said she'd been >away >about 4 years and I thought she was about 14 when her brother "sold" >her. >My books are in NE, so I have no proof of this, just what I recall >thinking. > >Adrienne I'm not sure about Tarma (no exact Textveds) but I'd said she would be at least 17 - due to the fact that she had been plegded to marry at the time - and had choosen her mate at the time of the attack - and it would have taken a couple of years for her to become swordsworn, trained and hunt down the brigands - and I DON'T think the Shin'a'in would pledge to marry at about 11/12. Also - how could they carry off some of their disguises (like at Mornedealth's gates) if she was that young. With Kethry I think I agree she's around 19 - the textved says "No, things went on like that until I was twelve, and barely pubescent" (p29 Oathbound)- so she was 12 when she married, and to the time elapsed "It's been seven years" (p35 Oathbound) BTW the quote about Tarma looking younger is "In repose she lost a great deal of the cold harshness her expression carried when she was awake. She looked, in fact, a great deal younger than Kethry was." (p 37)This implies (at least to my mind) that Kethry was younger than Tarma. Tha's all - sorry for the Length T3S (the three Stooges) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:40:03 +0100 From: Rainbow To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Flions Message-ID: In message <19980407022004.16898.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com>, Lisa Tunnicliff writes >Hello to all and Sundy from the three Stooges! > >>Rainbow (with some help from Sorana's post!) >>Avatar to the Goddess of Flions > >Excuse me - but WHAT is a Flion?!?!?!?! > Huh.... I only found out just as I came on this list! You're excused for not knowing... *changes in Flionic form* A Flion is a Flying Lion Flion => Flying Lion Fly Lion Flion? Get it? Rainbow Unity! + Zhai'helleva! 'If you want the rainbow, you gotta put up with the rain' Dolly Parton ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 10:11:03 -0500 (EST) From: Lyssa Betler To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: your mail Message-ID: IIRC, in Oathbound, Tarma mentions that she was "in a fog" for the year that it took her to get her revenge...sorry I can't find TextEv (me-+AT+-school, books-+AT+-home) BTW, can't remember if I de-lurked already, so if I haven't, I just did :) Lys *************************************************************** Lyssa Betler mbetler-+AT+-wvu.edu ICQ: 339194 betler2-+AT+-marshall.edu or lyssa_betler-+AT+-geocities.com http://webpages.marshall.edu/~betler2/ http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/3013/ *************************************************************** On Tue, 7 Apr 1998, Lisa Tunnicliff wrote: > I'm not sure about Tarma (no exact Textveds) but I'd said she would be > at least 17 - due to the fact that she had been plegded to marry at the > time - and had choosen her mate at the time of the attack - and it would > have taken a couple of years for her to become swordsworn, trained and > hunt down the brigands - and I DON'T think the Shin'a'in would pledge to ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:22:22 -0500 From: littlebees-+AT+-bbs.tsf.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Diana Tregarde Message-ID: Heyla all! I haven't read all of the Diana Tregarde Investigations, just Burning Water and Jinx High. I kind of liked Burning Water ( while I was reading it ), but Jinx High bored me. It seemed to me like Misty was making Diana wise and all pure and good, and everyone else childish and stupid. One of my friends who is also into Misty, and is currently lurking in the shadows of the Hall of Mist trying futilely to catch up on a weeks worth of e-mail (give up, delete it & start over, Megan) agreed with me (or I agreed with her. . .she read it first). And sadly enough it isn't just the Tregarde books that seem to me like this (although they seem to be the worst). I don't know if anyone else has ever mentioned this, but even in the Valdemar books, it seems like heroes are the epitome of goodness. I mean look at Tarma and Kethry. Although they are 2 of my favorite female characters (surpassed only by Talia & Kero), they are always on the side of the light. The never make the wrong choices. . . I understand that the Heralds are supposed to be this way, but does everyone else have to? It also seems sort of like all of the "bad guys" are demons--there's no trace of humanity left in them. I love Mercedes Lackey's books and will continue to read them, I just wanted to state my opinion. Reighvyn Emrys Daughter of Queen Mara of Rynia Mercenery and Advocate of Women's Rights ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 11:40:47 -0400 From: Malkavia Enterprises To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Short no misty request for help Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980407114046.006f5514-+AT+-pop.mindspring.com> 8704561 Tiarra Lynn At 07:49 AM 4/7/98 +0100, you wrote: >I'm very sorry for posting this I tried to rack my brain for some >Obmisty but nothing would come. I just lost my whole ICQ list so those >of you who have ICQ would you please be so kind as to mail me your >numbers at satori-+AT+-pacific.net >Again sorry I couldn't come up with something obmisty > > >*********************************************************** >Wind to thy wings >Sir Quickstar Defender of the Ladies in distress by decree >of Sorana Shadowcat High Priestess of the Goddess of >Unicorns >*********************************************************** > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:57:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Danielle May Marrone To: Mercedes Lackey Fan List Subject: Fluff and a kinda OBMisty . . . Message-ID: An order for unicorns? How can I be a part of this? **************FLUFF******************* Ari, who has been lurking in the shadows of the Halls of Mist for quite a while now (adding comments that seem to come out from thin air now and again), finally gains the courage to decloak herself (no not THAT kind of decloaking) and possibly take a stroll. She dismisses the cloaking spell with a whipered phrase and shyly peeks out of the shadowy corner she has been residing in. On her shoulder sits her tiny, black feline familiar Mandeline who stares at the sights with round, interested eyes as newbies are being drenched left and right. Mandi's fur stands up a little at the thought of possibly being drenched herself: :. You'll warn me if you see anyone with a bucket coming our way, won't you? :: As long a you watch my back, Dearheart. They carefully listens to the conversations of her listsibs: :. Flion? A cat with wings? Hmmmmm . . . that would really be helpful when I hunt. Do you think you could . . . :: Don't even suggest it, Love. You know how I feel about your hunting as it is. Ooooh! An order for Unicorns? Ari sends another "out of nowhere" statements asking, "How can I be a part of this?". Keeping an eye out for Listsibs with buckets she takes a deep breath and silently wanders towards the music. *****************END FLUFF******************** Kinda OBMisty . . . can anyone tell me exaclty how one would put a hair thong into ones hair. It has been bugging me for awhile and I would like to order one or two. Ari and Mandeline dmarrone-+AT+-ic.sunysb.edu "Gravity is a habit that is hard to shake off." - Terry Pratchett "I drank what?!" - The last words spoken by Socrates . . . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 12:17:16 -0600 (CST) From: REEVEL-+AT+-Acad.Ripon.EDU To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Diana Tregarde Message-ID: <01IVL654EYACAR2M4M-+AT+-Acad.Ripon.EDU> Heyla Forgive me for I erased the message but someone made a comment about how Diana Tredarde never made any mistakes but that is not true. (I will admit that in Jinx High she does seem like the All Powerful Hero) but in Children of the Night she does make mistakes (or rather did the one I'm thinking of was presented in a flashback) and shows how mistakes and wrong decisions can come back to haunt someone. I'll see if I can find textevd for this but I can't get to my books right now. Rillian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 10:44:16 -0700 From: Adrienne Metz To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Shin'a'in, T & K (ages, etc.) Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980407104416.00b5605c-+AT+-pop.u.arizona.edu> Lynn wrote: >The magic not used part is also right. It was Helga, I do beleive. Wasn't it Hulda that was Elspeth's nurse? Helga is Hagar the Horrible's wife. And thank you, Lisa for the clarification on T&K's ages. The quote you pulled was exactly the quote I was talking about, I just understood it different. And finally, please don't single line post your ICQ numbers to the whole list. It is easier to just email the person who asked for them off-list. Thanks, Adrienne ********** Preistess of OOPS Member of the MisticCircle Author of the Mickey Zucker Reichert Website at http://www.futureone.com/~ryan/realm/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:07:19 -0500 From: lady_fire-eyes-+AT+-juno.com (Sorsha T Al'Lindre) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Cc: lady_fire-eyes-+AT+-juno.com Subject: Re: Alberich/posting new release dates/bit o fluff Message-ID: <19980407.131347.3902.0.lady_fire-eyes-+AT+-juno.com> >There is a story about Alberich. It is a short story. I THINK it is >in >one of Marrion Zimmer Bradley's compilations. I've read part of it. >It is >good. > >I'm all for posting when new books come out, if people don't mind > >Lynn Any idea on the title of them? I never miss a book but I can't ever catch the short story books. They did by the way say how Alberich was chosen. It's in AotQ when Talia is talking to Janus about what happened to Selenay's father. Are there any online sites with release dates as of now? Just Curious. ********************** Fluff ********************** Sorsha ducks frantically and pulls out an umbrella as she runs for her new found lurking corner hoping no one notices that she is an un-sploshed newbie. Sorsha Tiana Al'Lindre "Women and cats will do as they please and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea" ~R. A. Heinlein _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 14:42:22 -0500 From: littlebees-+AT+-bbs.tsf.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Diana Tregarde Message-ID: Just so everyone knows, By my admittedly rather general statement earlier, I was speaking of the 2 Diana Tregarde Investigation books that I had read (Burning water and Jinx High). As yet, I havent been able to find the others. Text-eved (sp?) is not necessary to prove me wrong. I wholeheartedly admit that I am judging this series by reading just half of it. Anyway, apologies to anyone I have (or may) offend. Reighvyn Emrys ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 13:46:34 -0500 From: Jennifer Dorn To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Braid: Diana Tregarde, Tarma&Keth, etc. Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980407134634.006df994-+AT+-students.wisc.edu> At 04:29 PM 4/7/98 +0100, Reighvyn Emrys wrote: >I haven't read all of the Diana Tregarde Investigations, just Burning >Water and Jinx High. I kind of liked Burning Water ( while I was >reading it ), but Jinx High bored me. I loved Children of the Night, and liked Burning Water, but Jinx High didn't do anything for me really. It had the tendency to preach to the choir a bit too much, IMO. I still like Di though. she's one of my favorite characters Misty's made up so far. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ While we're still on the topic of goodness.... >heroes are the epitome of goodness. I mean look at Tarma and Kethry. >Although they are 2 of my favorite female characters (surpassed only by >Talia & Kero), they are always on the side of the light. The never make >the wrong choices. . . I understand that the Heralds are supposed to be >this way, but does everyone else have to? Well, in Tarma and Kethry's case, it's kind of understandable. Tarma is a kal'enedral, which means that while she's not infallible, she has to do what the Star-Eyed would agree with. There's a scene where they meet a herald (I wish I had textevd for this, my books are in Milwaukee and I'm not), and (correct me if I'm wrong), Tarma and the Herald are outside talking. The star-eyed visits them and they find that their clothes have switched colors- Tarma wearing white and the Herald wearing black. (butterrum sheep to anyone who can find this scene in the V&H) This seems to indicate that kal'enedral and Heralds are bound to a similar code of honor. Tarma isn't nearly as selfless as a Herald though- she'd much rather get paid for her merc work. A Herald would probably just decide it was his/her duty. Kethry is a white winds mage, plus she's under a sort of geas from carrying Need. She has to help women in need whether she wants to or not. >all of the "bad guys" are demons--there's no trace of humanity left in >them. This tends to be my problem with her work, much as I love Misty. I feel like she tosses in obligatory torture scenes so that she can say "Look! Look! They're *really* evil- not just sort-of evil!" She's so anxious for us to hate her "bad guys" that she doesn't think we'll just take her word for it. I personally could have done without several of the Falconsbane/Nyara scenes and the Ancar/Talia stuff. I find it more enjoyable if the characters are a little more gray. I thought Tremane was a great character- here's a guy just trying to do his job. A little overly ambitious perhaps, and maybe he relies a bit too much on expediency, but he isn't totally evil. I realize that this is sort of a bad example because she turns Tremane into a good guy, but for much of the Storms he's this encroaching force headed for valdemar. One that assassinated Ulrich. Gee- maybe I should join the Unsung Heroes order... Ah well. (Lady Guenevere suddenly realized she is standing on a soap box and sheepishly gets off) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Also- It was Hulda who was Elspeth's evil nurse. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Alanda stuff~ I liked the Robin and the Kestrel and Eagle and the Nightingales.... The Lark and the Wren picked up about half way through. It sort of felt like two books to me. Before she meets the Free Bards, then After she meets the Free Bards. I haven't read Cast of Corbies yet. Has anyone read 4&20BB yet? Is it any good? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Fluff: I'm in exams again and trying to figure out how I'll juggle two jobs and school (Uof WI- Madison for those who are curious). I was wondering if I could petition to be the Goddess of the Overextended and Overworked Ones (OOO)? If there already a deity of this nature, I would like to petition them to become a priestess. Well, back to work :) Zhai'helleva, Lady Guenevere jldorn-+AT+-students.wisc.edu Knight-errant of the OAM Close personal friend to Dragons "Night is the catherdral where we recognize the sign. We strangers know each other now As part of the whole design." ~Suzanne Vega, "Gypsy" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 14:20:49 From: dprono-+AT+-planet.eon.net To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Pretty pointless braid Message-ID: <3.0.3.16.19980407142049.275760a2-+AT+-planet.eon.net> >Sorana Stargem Goddess of Flions changed into her Flion form in front of >Rainbow "I hereby announce that you shall be My Avatar while I'm gone. I give >you the ability to turn into a Flion and the ability to always see both >sides of an issue. This feather and ruby are to braided into your hair >where everyone can see them. They will help you Guard the List from untruth. I >give you My Blessing My child. Yvonne laughs happily as she realises that while her friend may be departed, her influence is not gone. She sneaks up behind Rainbow (what a sneaky character, eh?) and gives her a wet hug. "Congrats from myself, but conveyed once more from my friend Sorana!" ********************************** Sorsha Tiana Al'Lindre Ari and Mandeline Rillian & other Newbies who's names have been lost in the bowels of my computer: Yvonne gets lazy, and with a quick prayer begging for forgiveness, she switches on the sprinkler system, somehow managing to mostly miss all but the newbies (and a few lurkers) in the deluge that turns the floor into a river. And suddenly SPLOSH! The Lady of the Water-Borne becomes yet another unidentified splash in the water. Always welcome, all! :) ************************ Reighvyn Emrys; you wrote saying that you found that Misty's books tend to be a bit too black & white - I agree! Yes, this is just an inane 'Me too!' message! Bwa ha ha ha ha ha! (ok, I'm back.) ************************* Hulda, not Helga, BTW. It's Helga, Olga, and Heidi who are Hulda's evil triplet sisters. :P ************************* Jinx High - I personally found it to be a bit dry, and I really couldn't care overly much about what's-her-face, the baddie. And I thought that when Di killed(?) her, it was a bit anti climatic. She just sorta *poof* died. Not that I prefer loooonnnng, drawen out death scenes or anything, it's just that she just died. That was it. Nothing more. I liked CotN much better, and I STILL haven't found a copy o' Burning H2O. :* ************************** Robin & the Kesterel - I read it so long ago that I can't remember much about it! Only that Kestrel's stutter drove me NUTS! ***************************** Katie - I think that there is a little demon out there that is stealing all the OBound books. I've lost mine too! *sad puppy eyes* I dunno what to do...? *sniffle* Well, hope you fid it! :) Many (wet, unfortunatly) sheep to all! :) Yvonne Shadowshape, bonded to Chiti, Chosen by Korla Goddess of Kelpies, Selkies, and the other Water-Borne Knight of Fluff Bearer of the Enchanted Bucket (tm) *&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&* The Nerids pluck their lyres Where the green translucncy beats And with motionless eyes at gaze Make minstrily in the streets -Walter de la Mare, Sunk Lyoness ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 16:05:00 -0700 From: Divine Knight Ámp To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Lemme try that again... Message-ID: <352AB11C.6A20-+AT+-bscn.com> Hey all... For some reason totally beyond my imagination, I have been unable to send any messages to the list before now...how bizzare? But hopefully I've got that lined out now. I've been on the list (I think) twice already, but drifted away due to a lack of time to really contribute anything useful, but I can see things have gotten *cough* interesting *cough* while I've been gone *L* So I guess this makes me a quasi-newbie...*shrug* uh oh *looking around paranoid-like for buckets of water flying thru the air* A-ha. Anyway, I just wanted to say hi again, now on with the entertainment! >;)~ obMisty:Well, not so much that, as a question: has anyone ever thought to write down everything known about the way magic works on Velgarth? Seeing as how things are so screwed up after the storms it's kind of a useless excercise, but it'd be interesting to read. ~Ámp Former Acolyte of Music and Song Official Member of the "I Hate Algus" Club Magitek Knight The Almight Mystic of Food Giant ~Still looking for a familiar that can hold it's liquor~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 16:54:20 -0500 From: katiekins2-+AT+-juno.com (Katie Snyder) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Tiger & Del / good &bad guys / Re: Tarma&Keth Message-ID: <19980407.165421.12438.0.katiekins2-+AT+-juno.com> Sorana wrote: >Someone said that Jennifer Roberson wrote a new Tiger and Del novel. Really?! I didn't catch this -- if it's true, will someone e-mail me (katiekins2-+AT+-juno.com) and tell me about it? Please???? I've been waiting . . . -------------------- Reighvyn Emrys wrote: >but even in the Valdemar books, it seems like heroes are the epitome of goodness. > It also seems sort of like all of the "bad guys" are demons I agree. I've noticed this, and I think it's actually one reason I like Misty. I also read people who're a lot more complex (IMO), and I like the complexity, but sometimes I want a good guy/bad guy novel (well, a little more than that, but one where I don't get quite so mad at the good characters and don't feel sorry for the bad ones). On the other hand, sometimes it gets on my nerves because I start wanting to be like her characters and I have to stop and think to myself -- "Everyone gets mad, jealous, etc. at some point. Just because the people in the book don't doesn't make it so bad when you do." (Well, this all just MO, please don't get upset) --------------------- Lady Guenevere wrote: >There's a scene where they meet a herald (I wish I had textevd for this, my books are >in Milwaukee and I'm not), and (correct me if I'm wrong), Tarma and the Herald are >outside talking. The star-eyed visits them and they find that their clothes have >switched colors- Tarma wearing white and the Herald wearing black. >(butterrum sheep to anyone who can find this scene in the V&H) This seems >to indicate that kal'enedral and Heralds are bound to a similar code of >honor. OH! I can answer this one!!!!! (I just re-read Obreakers yesterday ) The whole thing happens after Keth and Tarma go North and get saved from a storm in the Comb by Roald. The clothes -- actually, it's just Tarma's clothes that change color. She's wearing some of Roald's Whites, since all her clothes are wet, and when she talks to the Star-Eyed, the Warrior canges them to black, the color of vengeance and blood feud. Also, the Star-Eyed mentions that the Kal'enedral and the Heralds are similar. She says: (speaking to Roald) *Vai datha -- so, young princeling, your land forges white Swords that fit the same sheath as My black, eh? This is a good land, yours. It deserves good servants, strong defenders -- vigilant champions to guard and hold it safe as My Hands hold Mine. Do we not all serve to drive back the Dark, each in his own fashion? So I cry -- well met, Children of My Other Self!* (p.181-182, Obreakers pprbk) -Katie Co-Leader of the OoUH _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 20:08:32 EDT From: AprilS81 To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Delurk, braid, Relurk Message-ID: <98354a24.352ac002-+AT+-aol.com> In a message dated 98-04-06 21:41:25 EDT, you write: << Unsung hero favorite: FX, he's funny, he's smart, he tries really hard, and he does the dangerous thing when its required with out a thanks from anyone. He really cares. >> Glad someone else thinks FX is amazing. With a name like Foxtrot X-ray, and a habit of appearing as James Dean, how could one go wrong! He really added a lot of humor to the books he graced with his presence. -April- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 19:41:43 -0400 From: Shadowdancer To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tarma&Keth Message-ID: <199804080010.UAA29280-+AT+-piedmont.net> Jennifer Dorn Wrote: (SNIP) >Well, in Tarma and Kethry's case, it's kind of understandable. Tarma is a >kal'enedral, which means that while she's not infallible, she has to do >what the Star-Eyed would agree with. There's a scene where they meet a >herald (I wish I had textevd for this, my books are in Milwaukee and I'm >not), and (correct me if I'm wrong), Tarma and the Herald are outside >talking. The star-eyed visits them and they find that their clothes have >switched colors- Tarma wearing white and the Herald wearing black. >(butterrum sheep to anyone who can find this scene in the V&H) This seems >to indicate that kal'enedral and Heralds are bound to a similar code of >honor. Tarma isn't nearly as selfless as a Herald though- she'd much rather >get paid for her merc work. A Herald would probably just decide it was >his/her duty. Kethry is a white winds mage, plus she's under a sort of geas >from carrying Need. She has to help women in need whether she wants to or >not. (BIG SNIP) When the star-eyed visits, she just turns Tarma's "borrowed Whites" from white to black. Roald's Whites stay white. SOOO Here is your textevd:-P After the star-eyed visits. Oathbreakers pg. 103 paperback 6th paragraph It was Roald who finally sighed, and let the moment pass. "I fear," he said, dropping her hands reluctantly, (Tarma's hands) "that if we don't get back to the others they'll think we've either frozen to death, or gotten lost. "Or," Tarma laughed , giving his shoulders a quick embrace before pulling her cloak back around herself. "murdered each other out here! By the way--" She stretched out her arm, showing him that the tunic she wore was still the black of a starless night. "--I wonder how we're going to explain what happened to the clothing I borrowed?" He laughed, long and heartily. "Be damned if I know. Maybe they won't notice? Right--not likely. Oh, well, I'll think of something. But you owe me, Swordlady; that was my second-best set of Whites before you witched it!" Enjoy!!!! Wind to thy Wings & Never give up on the Dance of Life Shadowdancer & mind mate Lurker (A very large Gray Wolf) ~~~~~~~~~~~ Member of Mistic Circle Member of the Order of Eldan Advocation Member of the Order of Unsung Heros Lady of many books Owner of two cats, & two dogs Keeper of many animals when extended family on vacation ~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 20:14:06 EDT From: AprilS81 To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Shin'a'in, T & K (ages, etc.) Message-ID: <97355fa2.352ac152-+AT+-aol.com> In a message dated 98-04-07 00:37:08 EDT, you write: << _____ ____ _____ / ____|/ __ \ / ____| Please help bring all 200 episodes of Sailor | (___ | | | | (___ Moon + the Movies to America by visiting: \___ \| | | |\___ \ ============================================ ____) | |__| |____) | http://looney.physics.sunysb.edu/sos/ |____ave\____ur___ailors!========================================== >> Yeah Sailor Moon! Yeah Anime! Grrrrr D.I.C! -April- ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1549 **********************************