MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1580 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Greetings!!! by Katherine Hildebrand 2) Heyla to all by 95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk 3) Re: >Also, Just WHO is Misty married to? by hedwig 4) Braid:Newbies,Elspeth, apologies, JohnE.Morris by Cliff Keller 5) Re: Ah, screw it! by Melanie Mouck 6) Re: Ah, screw it! by Melanie Mouck 7) Disney and Elspeth by "True" 8) ^o^ just me blathering on by "Nelson Greenslade" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 00:58:31 -0500 From: Katherine Hildebrand To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Greetings!!! Message-ID: <35514D87.E600AB5C-+AT+-iland.net> Khera Bastis wrote: > Heyla, greetings to all. To introduce myself, I am Khera Bastis (AKA > Shadowfire) Anyhow, I must admit, I'm a newbie. First off, Greetings, welcome and all that.. next... Watch out for those buckets of water.*grins from her newly grown patch of orchids* > I'm working very hard to > catch up on everything, but it's all good. Could someone help me out by > letting me know which topics are current and which are older? After I > get caught up I will probably love you forever. I'm sure someone will let you know pretty fast what's going on. As far as *I* could grasp right now, we'r done with a elf thingy?*Twitches as she realize she has to catch up again* Until our path's cross again, Rainsong Blademeet -- _\\|//_ . o O (Hello? anyone there?) /(o o)\ -=-=-oOOo-(_)-oOOo-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 11:21:19 +0100 From: 95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Heyla to all Message-ID: <15236C37904-+AT+-ghondr.mmu.ac.uk> He all after a very loooooooooooooong absence from the list I now have the time to get some intellectual conversation at university again. I don't know if there are any oldies apart from Ken still on the list, I hope so as I'd love to catch up with what has been happening to people. All for now Zhai'hai'elle'va [sp?] Jason Stokes aka Kal'enedral Kalen [OIB] ********************************************************************** Never in the field of education have so many been so demotivated by so few!!! ********************************************************************** Jason Stokes 95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk uthro-+AT+-hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 11:18:34 -0700 From: hedwig To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: >Also, Just WHO is Misty married to? Message-ID: <3551FAFA.155B1EAC-+AT+-tima.com> Reighvyn wrote: >Also, Just WHO is Misty married to? Misty was married many years ago to a gentleman named Tony who's last name I can't remember. She is now married to Larry Dixon. Hedwig ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 11:47:40 -0500 From: Cliff Keller To: "'Misty Mailing List'" Subject: Braid:Newbies,Elspeth, apologies, JohnE.Morris Message-ID: <01BD79AE.06BC0E20-+AT+-cjak-0003> Heyla all: I know I just had a huge post the other day but there are a few things I just had to respond to. ************************************* >Heyla, greetings to all. To introduce myself, I am > Khera Bastis (AKA Shadowfire). Welcome Shadowfire hope you enjoy the list. Here is a super thick cotton towel for later. Come visit me in my garden in the Hall sometime. *********************************************************** Jason Stokes aka Kal'enedral Kalen, welcome back from a newbie. Glad to know someone who has been on the list before. *********************************************************** Raven wrote: >Ah, bah. I *like* Elspeth. She reminds me of me. Hey I like Elspeth too. She is a great character who doesn't stay the same from series to series. She goes from a bratty child to a likeable teenager on to a good heir to the throne. And I loved it when she became a herald mage and chose to serve her country that way instead of waiting for the crown. That girl has grown as a character. She makes a good pair with Darkwind. *********************************************************** I would also like to make humble apologies to the Council of Mist. I didn't know the whole of what happened and deeply apologize for what I said. *********************************************************** Also I will apologize in advance to anyone who is offended by what I will say next and hope like heck it doesn't get me flamed:) ********************************************************** I just got to reply to what John E. Morris wrote but first I have to say a few things. I realize that Disney movies do not contain all the facts but as with the Merlin discussion there is such a thing as creative licenses. And if we did not view everything that wasn't strictly factual we would probably be missing out on a lot of good things. Anyway on to the reply: First off I would like to know if John has children or if all of this is just his opinion. I will tell you that I have two children ages 6 and 4. So my opinions are based on facts concerning my kids. >John wrote: >The fact is that the large majority of >people who grew up on these movies as children or who bring their >children >up on them don't even realize that these movies are really books. >These >films steal what is most important about these great works of >children's >literature - the literary aspect. One of the great things about >children's >literature is that it teaches children to love books from a young age. Like I said before, I grew up with Disney and I still love to read.(I have several hundred books in my own library) Depending on which book I am reading I will read it to my kids so that we share time together. My children get Disney as a special treat. And they have many books themselves which I have been reading to them since birth. > >I also think that you are selling kids short to say that they couldn't >understand these stories at a young age. It quite reasonable to >introduce >kids to good books and good stories at a very young age. Some are >even able >to read them for themselves at the age of three of four. Now I don't know what kids you have been around. But I am the oldest of five and my youngest brother is now eight plus I have two children of my own. From my experience I will tell you that any child that reads at three or four is either gifted which is good or the parents push them hard to learn to read which isn't always so good. When I went to school I learned to read by the end of first grade, my daughter is now reading in kindergarten. I think it is great to read at an early age but some kids have a hard time learning when developmently they aren't ready. Now I never sell my children short and want them to be the best they can be, but I also know that at ages three and four developmently there is a lot they don't understand. Such as war, death, evil, crime and many other basic life things. That is why they ask so many questions at that age. Thye may know that something is good or bad but they just don't understand the why of things. Many children at those ages learn to do things one at a time. They focus so hard on one thing or subject that it is hard to learn another. Now not all kids are this way but a good majority are. > >We live in a world where the average parent plops >his or her child down in front of the television set with a cartoon at the >age of two or three and buys a PlayStation of Nintendo for them at >the age >of four. How do we ever expect these kids to learn to love reading for >the >simple enjoyment of reading? Enough is enough. Let them watch >Disney AFTER >they know the real story. I would like to think of myself as an average parent. I do not plop my kids down in front of the TV. I make sure that when they do view it, it is appropriate for them, no violence, sex, drugs or bad language. Disney does provide this mor than many other programs. It may not be the whole story but it is better than many alternitives out there. My kids love to read and I came from a family who also does. Telling a factual story doesn't encourage reading if it is not based in the home first! > >that doesn't mean I don't know it happened. That's what history >is for and it should be respected. While I agree with John that history should be respected and that more people don't know their history. What I meant by saying you don't know the whole truth because you weren't there is because what whe know to be truth or history is always wrote by someone and it has a tendency to be reflected in a different way by the writer. Depending on wether you talked to an indian or a white man they both had different views of the same truth when it came to Custer's laststand. I think this is true with any history. Just because we read a history text doesn't mean it is the absolute and only truth. It just means that it is all we have to go on. ******************************************************** I am sorry to everyone one for going on about this but I just had to say what I felt was right. Sorry no other Misty. And I completely forgot about those students of Jaysen's. That was a funny part. Now I am going to have to see if I can find anyother unusal Chosings in other books. Wind to thy Wings Chocolate rasberry truffle sheep to you all Cailet Flameflower ~Keeper of the Garden~ Shimmer the Worba ~~If ignorance is blissful than why aren't more people happy?~~ {from an area sign} ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 11:27:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Melanie Mouck To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Ah, screw it! Message-ID: <19980507182723.14556.rocketmail-+AT+-send1e.yahoomail.com> ---Nelson Greenslade wrote: > > <<"I don't WANT Vanyel in my bed." > "Damn right." > "Don't you mean damn STRAIGHT?" > --Tyra and Alex>> > Alright, ~who~ are Tyra and Alex, and ~why~ would they possibly have Van > in either of their beds? And for that matter, ~why~ would they kick him > out?! I certainly wouldn't!! He wouldn't do anything while he was there > (other than try to steal all the room; but then, I'm not just a sprawler, I > kick, punch, sing, talk, and jump horizontally in my sleep) but I'd do my > best to keep him there!!!!!! > > Heyla all. I don't understand why they would kick him out either.He's still a good person to have around, especially if you live in the city and are afraid of a couple of murderers on the loose! (By the way, I sprawl too and I kick, talk, and strangle my pillow, among other things)Zhai'helleva, Melanie == Reality is only for those with no imagination. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free -+AT+-yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 11:31:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Melanie Mouck To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Ah, screw it! Message-ID: <19980507183141.18812.rocketmail-+AT+-send1c.yahoomail.com> ---Raven Darkblade wrote: > > > > > < coming out entitled "Brightly Burning"...ugh. I don't think I really > want to dwell on ~that~. I have no desire to have dinner revisited.>> > Heyla. Books about Lavan's life would be kind of neat. By the way, to the people asking about Alberich, his story's in Horsefantastic. Zhai'helleva, Melanie > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > == Reality is only for those with no imagination. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free -+AT+-yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 18:30:32 -0400 From: "True" To: Subject: Disney and Elspeth Message-ID: <199805072227.SAA18273-+AT+-mailhost.capecod.net> Greetings listsibs:) Thought I would take a moment to delurk:) John E. Morris wrote: > Especially high on this list is Peter Pan, Winnie the Pooh, the Jungle > Book, Alice and Wonderland and especialy Wind in the Willows. The fact > is that the large majority of people who grew up on these movies as > children or who bring their children up on them don't even realize that > these movies are really books. These films steal what is most important > about these great works of children's literature - the literary aspect. > One of the great things about children's litereature is that it teaches > children to love books from a young age. They aren't written in simple > language, they don't deal with simple things, but they are perfectly > accesible to young children. Disney movies that remove the language of > the books and reduce them to plot-dominated stories with big fuzzy > sidekicks destroy that. They are kind of like Cliff notes done up in > color. First off before I go any further I have to say that I love Disney movies for the themselves, independent from the original stories. When I look at what has been done to certain stories over the years I sometimes become frustrated too for many of the reasons pointed out, above, by John. However I am still able to find value in most of Disney's movies even when I think they did a hack job on the original story. Disney gets its stories from a few different areas and it is difficult to lump them all together. A good portion of stories come from fairy tales which are prone to change or rather we see a variety of ways of telling a similar story. As much as I would like children to know the original stories I don't want them reading them at a young age (i.e. Cinderalla's evil step-sisters chopping off their toes to stuff in the glass slipper). Fairy tales of old are usually very violent with a lot of themes which I may not want children of certain ages to be exposed too. That is not to say that they shouldn't be exposed at all but rather at a suitable age deemed appropriate by parents. Another portion of the stories come from historical events. History is largely facts based on pov. As far as Disney mucking around with historical events is concerned I don't feel it is any worse than other movie's intrepration of the facts. Actually I have to admit that since Disney basically changed Pocahontas all around the least they could have done is give it a happy ending*g*. Children get taught history in schools based in large part on their developmental level. Sometimes we don't get the total story until we are in high school or even college for that matter. The rest of Disney movies are made up of stories like Winnie the Pooh and Alice in Wonderland which are already childrens books. I think these movies bring the characters to life. As far as children being exposed to the books themselves that is entirely up to the parent. For me personally I would read them to my children (if I had any:) *and* let them watch the Disney movies. Part of bringing up well rounded children, IMO, is to expose them to as much material, deemed appropriate, as possible. That way when they are older they can decide for themselves which version they like better. I feel that they will be able to see the value in each version and that one is not necessarily better than the other but rather just different. Okay now I have to think up an obmisty...um um*g* > Raven wrote: > >Ah, bah. I *like* Elspeth. She reminds me of me. Cailet Flameflower wrote: > Hey I like Elspeth too. She is a great character who > doesn't stay the same from series to series. She goes > from a bratty child to a likeable teenager on to a good > heir to the throne. And I loved it when she became a > herald mage and chose to serve her country that way > instead of waiting for the crown. That girl has grown as > a character. She makes a good pair with Darkwind. I read the Winds Trilogy first and immediately loved Elspeth. Even after reading the Arrows series I still liked her even tho she was quite the brat. But I blame that on Hulda, the psycho nanny*g*. Elspeth would have skipped that whole brat stage, for the most part, if Hulda hadn't mucked around with her. Darkwind and Elspeth are easily my fav couple. If their's is an example of a lovebond I will take that over a lifebond anyday:) Well I'm off for another round of lurking*g* Blessed Be...Jess *Councilor of Mist* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 18:38:36 -0300 From: "Nelson Greenslade" To: "Misty" Subject: ^o^ just me blathering on Message-ID: <01bd7a00$7e1f2180$LocalHost-+AT+-epzfbrwg> Hey! Lurkers! How's it going? Drop us a line sometime so we'll know you're still out there, OK? Hedwig wrote: <> I take it Lackey is her maiden name? If she used it during two marriages(pif! I can't spell this!), then it must be...My only other comment is to say that someone on another list speculated that Misty probably wrote LHM just after (or during) her divorce. Melanie wrote: <> Yeah! I can see it now!! A burglar breaks in and Van flattens him with a levin bolt---without even waking up!!*ROFL* And it's not unprecedented; he seems to react alot, especially just back from border duty (and isn't he almost always?Just back, I mean). I'm just saying that I wouldn't kick him out of bed for eating crackers...though he might kick me out; I tend to take school books and food into my room and disappear for days at a time. Other things Van (or anyone) would likely kick me out for: I occasionally snore when I have a cold, I take all the blankets or else kick them to the floor, I get up and walk around, I participate in conversation (which I never remember), I hit people who try to interrupt my sleep with whatever limb's nearest (I've bruised with kicks and blackened an eye with fists{but she deserved it! she was telling me stuff while I dreamt, so I'm told, and whatever it was made me freak out}), I act semi-awake an hour before I'm even close, and no one belts out bawdy ballads in their sleep quite like me!! (Boy, did I ever surprise my cabin-mates at camp one summer!!) Oh, yes, my best friend told me today that I am apparently not happy with just taking up the comfy side of the bed and about half of the rest, I want it ~all~. I've apparently rolled right on top of her a few times when she sleeps over. She says it's good training in case she has a restless sleeper for a husband. And I ~do~ realise that Van is shaych and as such not interested in a female like me. Anyone who points this out will be reminded that Van is also a fictional character and as such not likely to end up in my bed at anytime. I'd also say that if some strange twist in the fabric of reality caused such circumstances I would not be unhappy, but I'd also behave. I have a king-size, and I'd share, but no way am I moving to the floor. Not with four animals in the house who love laying on sleeping bodies, one of whom is bigger than me!! You probably could have done without the details on my sleeping habits, but the nature of my subject line leads me to believe that I gave sufficient warning. Anyway, I'm reading Burning Water. Seems okay so far. I like the cover, too. Elsa, Dame, Member, and Devotee of various things.Friend of many, enemy of some, Queen of the proud, the few, the political/religious/literary lunchtime debate gang!!! ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1580 **********************************