MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1599 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Misty Jeopardy by troll-+AT+-netcomuk.co.uk 2) Horses and timing by "Abby Rahn" 3) Grove-Born, Fluff by dprono-+AT+-planet.eon.net 4) Re: Misty Jeopardy by "Raven Darkblade" 5) New order? Phulllease?Jeapordy? I love it!!!! by Tifalheart-+AT+-webtv.net (April Hunt) 6) Re: Questions by Rebecca Slaughter 7) Re: One true way by "John E Morris" 8) Re: Religion/sexuality/opinions/beliefs. by "John E Morris" 9) Re: speaking up by "John E Morris" 10) Re: Great Gods/timing/tall tales/God control by shadowspun-+AT+-juno.com (Heather A Tomlinson) 11) Re: Question about magic by Tanja Freedman 12) Re: opinions/beliefs by "True" 13) Copyright wonders by "True" 14) Re: speaking up by Robert Simpson 15) Re: Reincarnation by Paustinnew 16) Re: Religion/sexuality/opinions/beliefs. by Paustinnew 17) Re: Religion/sexuality/opinions/beliefs. by "Kristjan Wager" 18) Hello from a new member by "Old Nicodmeus" 19) re: auras by "Uther Pendragon" 20) Re: Copyright wonders by Stasia 21) Re: Misty Jeopardy by Cliff Keller ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 02:27:44 +0100 (BST) From: troll-+AT+-netcomuk.co.uk To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Misty Jeopardy Message-ID: <199852623035311538-+AT+-netcomuk.co.uk> >On to double jeopardy: >For 200 chocolate sheep points give me >a question for this answer: Hyron > >Don't forget the book or books this character >is found in! :) Easy. Which Bard was a member of the Council and advised the Heralds on how to defeat demon-summoning mages? (Arrow's Fall) Muranog Shadowbane Troll Adept Knight of Fluff Member of the Mistic Circle and his bondmate Sable, the giant black war sheep ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 21:34:36 EDT From: "Abby Rahn" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Horses and timing Message-ID: <19980526013437.1350.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Heyla all, hope everyone had a great holiday weekend! I've got lots of homework to get back to, so I'll be brief: Someone asked why anyone would want to come back as a horse, well it's not like companions are your regular run-of-the-mill horses! Vanyel tried to convince his family all through MPromise and MPrice that Yfandes wasn't just a horse. And also, I think coming back as a companion is like having another shot at being a Herald: serving Queen and country, etc. heralds themselves are so devoted to their job, it would make sense that if they could be reincarnated, it would be in such a way that they could continue their job! Okay here's a random question for all of you: for some reason I'm receiving the messages from this list out of order. I didn't realize it until I got someones jeopardy answer (or question, as the case may be), before I got Cailet's original post asking the question (or answer, I guess)! Does anyone know why this is and what I can do about it? Many thanks in advance. Fair winds, Shana Stormsong *If you march to the beat of a different drummer, * * you're probably out of step. Pay attention! * *We are children of the eighties: * * here we sit in darkness, comforted by the * * warm glow of the TV and the computer moniter.* ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 18:58:12 From: dprono-+AT+-planet.eon.net To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Grove-Born, Fluff Message-ID: <3.0.3.16.19980525185812.1fbf49ce-+AT+-planet.eon.net> Heyla! Well, ~I~ for one have been watching the Jepordy game with much intrest, and, like the REAL jepordy game, have no clue what the answers are until someone else answers them. :) A real OOUH-fest! ;P Shadowspun & then Femmy both wrote: >Deities who gave Valdemar the Companions would send totally inexperienced >Comps. to the Heralds? I think that the fact that the Groveborn Companions have abilities that the other Companions do not helps to balance out their lack of experiance somewhat. Gwena could channel to Elspeth (having no copy of LHM, I can't know if Yfandes could do that for Van), and she and Rolan could keep in contact over long distances - when the Queen was keeping tabs on her daughter, Gwena had to relay messages through Rolan and not directly to her mother's Companion. Umm... they're also Guardian Spirits, so I gather that that little fact might make them closer to the deity (ies) that created them, which might be helpful for their Herald. ;P Here is a wee bit of Fluff, a story about a conversation, really. No copyright infringements - by my duty as a Knight of Fluff! :) And really, I hope the way that ~I~ tell it will be a bit more enjoyable to read than just telling you straight out with no embellishments. And what ever happened to the Ring Thing anyways? Wasn't somebody archiving it? Who has it? True Story: One innocent morn, my good friend and I were passing notes, and since both of us are Misty devotees, (I introduced her to Misty, she introduced me to this List, and then LEFT) the topic eventually wandered into that area. "So," said I, "There's a new Misty book that came out recently. I can't wait for it to magically transform itself into a paperback!" "What?!" said she, "A book that I have not heard about?!! This cannot be!!" "Yes it can," said I, "Because YOU were foolish enough to leave the MLML!" (Set, spike, POINT!) I began to laugh evilly at the woe-struck look on her face. "Then please" said she, "Tell me all about this book, oh wize one!" "It is called Owlflight, and seems to be part of a new series." said I, without adding anything further. "What then," said she, "Will the others be called?" "The second," said I, "Is called Owlsight, I believe." "Owlflight, Owlsight..." said she, "What next, OwlBITE?!" PS. I thank all the BIG and little Gods/Goddessses out there that Icewind is no longer here to hear me tell my tall tale - I would become short very fast! Yvonne Shadowshape, bonded to Chiti, Chosen by Korla Goddess of Kelpies, Selkies, and the other Water-Borne Knight of Fluff Lady of the OOUH Bearer of the Enchanted Bucket (tm) *&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&* July 8th, 1895. I cort another faery. It was flying passed my window but i was too quick for it it didn't see me cuming up behind it but i only cort a bit of it. -`Lady Cottington's Pressed Fairy Book ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 19:09:51 PDT From: "Raven Darkblade" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Misty Jeopardy Message-ID: <19980526020952.21163.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> <> Well, Misty tends to reuse names, as evidenced by Medren-Vanyel's-Nephew and Medren-the-servant-at-Haven. Could be that... <> Who is Bard Hyron, Bardic representative to the Council of Valdemar, from the Arrows trilogy? Zha'hai'allav'a, Raven Darkblade, who is too tired to add her sig, and will instead let Bogart compose one: dwoji,v, . ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 19:12:50 -0700 From: Tifalheart-+AT+-webtv.net (April Hunt) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: New order? Phulllease?Jeapordy? I love it!!!! Message-ID: <199805260212.TAA18782-+AT+-mailtod-132.iap.bryant.webtv.net> hmm.... The arrows books are at boyfriend's house, but I will try anyway.... Who is the Bard on Selany's council during the Arrows, Winds, and Storms Trilogies, not to mention BtS....? the one who helped Griffon and Davan and Dirk and Talia and Rolan kill the mage creating Ancars Demon type thingies????? Totally of the beaten path, I noted that lots of us love RPGs, and was thinking of starting a new order, so councillors, check it out and approve, or whatever, and I can start grabbing members. D&Ders welcome, just dont start posting "when I had this character such and such" to the list or I will never live it down! ^_^ Anyway, the Order of Light Warriors is located at http://www.angelfire.com/az/sugoi/fforder.html so drop on by and send me a line on if you like the basic premise, and ideas on how to improve it! RPGs, gotta love it! BTW, Im back!!!!!! Jeanne Riverwolf, mindmate to Serran ni'Grotto Knight-Champion of Griffon and Hyllarr OOUH aka Aerith/Tifa/Relm/April My page at http://www.angelfire.com/az/sugoi ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 19:38:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Rebecca Slaughter To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Questions Message-ID: <19980526023848.26929.rocketmail-+AT+-send1e.yahoomail.com> Well here is my 2 cents worth -- or rather 2 yens worth . . . . ---Kenneth Allen Hyde wrote: > > On Mon, 25 May 1998, Femmy Syahrani wrote: > > > 4. Does anybody else think Vanyel's capture and rape in the end of MPrice > > absolutely unnecessary? (I know, I've asked this one before and nobody > > answered :(. I hope the newbies are more interested in answering it?) > > I have to admit that I'm not sure why Misty put that in, except that she > seems to have this thing about rape. . . . . . Either way, I think > that the story would have worked just fine without the rape scene > (replaced with some other kind of run-in with Leareth's minions), or with > it glossed over as she glossed over the rapes of the female characters. > My personal take on the subject is that it helped close Van's whole difficulty with the issue. He was never completly ok with what he was or how he felt about himself and others. I think that this was a closing to that chapter. If such a horrid and graphic thing could happen to him and Stef could still love hime and he could forgive himself then maybe he had finally found peace. He had lived through every type of pain you can think of -- and I think rape was just another test of his indurance. He was about to die (and he knew it) and he was tying up all the loose ends of his troubled yet fufilling life. And therefore I think this scene was very neccessary to the story. Well as I said -- thats just my wierd opinion! Rebecca Slaughter teacher of japanese students lost in the dark _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free -+AT+-yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 23:14:48 -0400 From: "John E Morris" To: Subject: Re: One true way Message-ID: <01bd8854$70bff2a0$48109cd1-+AT+-default> I've been out of town for a few days, so haven't had a chance to respond to anything yet. -----Original Message----- From: Femmy Syahrani To: jeatonm-+AT+-prodigy.net Date: Thursday, May 21, 1998 1:17 PM Subject: Re: One true way >Hi John, > >I've thought about this one, and though I'm not really knowledgable about >this (I haven't been studying my history very well), I'd like to comment on >this. And since I've already had my post for the day, I send this directly >to you, I hope that's okay. > >>The phrases "it's a sin" or "The Bible >>says" have been used to justify all manner of horrific things throughout the >>history of the world. Femmy, does the word "Crusade" mean anything to you? > >I'm trying to understand why you brought up this issue. Is it to point out >that Muslims were evil because they killed so many people for defending >Islam, or to point out that other people have done evil towards Muslims for >defending Christianity so I shouldn't tell people "it's a sin to do >something" when my own people is killed because of the same reason? (I'm >rambling, I know). I brought up the crusades to illustrate, in a way that I hoped would be personally affective to you, the evil that has been done under the guise of religion. I think that most Christian theologians today would agree that the Crusades were an evil thing - but the people and priests of the time thought that they were mandated by God. Beliefs change - things that were once thought to be right beliefs are now thought to be wrong beliefs. >> >In fact, the Qur'an teaches us Muslims to tolerate people of other faiths. >There's a short chapter on unbelievers and it says clearly that we should >let people with different faiths be and hope that they do the same for us. >We're not out to "convert them all and kill who doesn't". This may surprise you, but I have read a great deal of the Koran (as we spell it here - yes, I know it's not supposed to be translated out of the original Arabic, but what can I say...I don't have time to learn an entirely unfamilliar language) Here's a question for you, however. If the Koran teaches Muslims to tolerate people of other faiths, then where exactly did the concept of the Jihad come from? What drives your average Palestinian Shiite do drive his or her explosive-laden car into a room full of Jews, safe in the belief that Allah wants him or her to do this? This doesn't sound like tolerance to me (And my sympathies lie with Palestine and not Israel) > >So when I stated that "I disapprove of ...", I'm not trying to change you >or your opinion or your sexual orientation. I have no right to do that. The >only reason I stated that is this (longish explanation)... > >It just seems to me that homosexuals sometimes believe that approval of >homosexualism is the one true way (that's fine with me, really), and then >they try to change other people's opinion if it's different (this is where >I have trouble with). > >Well, I know you don't want people to tell you that you're wrong for being >a homosexual and you should change. And I'm not trying to do that. I >respect your decision and your sexual orientation. It doesn't bother me, so >why should I try? A) It's not a decision, which is the single most important aspect of this conflict. You just don't understand what it's like to be condemed because of something you have no control over and told that it's OK becuase God hates you. It is my firm belief that every religion that condems homosexuality does so, not becuase God or JVHV or Allah condems it but because the people of the day condemed it and that belief made its way into the writings of the period. Anyone who studies religious writings of any kinds knows that popular belief is an incredibly strong force in any writing. >All I ask is that I'm treated with the same courtesy. I ask that you >respect my beliefs and not try to change it. That's all. The same thing >you're asking me. > >It's only logical that if I ask you to respect my beliefs, I tell you first >what those beliefs are. So if it came across like I'm telling you what to >do or judging you, I apologize. I have no intention of doing so. > The really ironic thing is, I do respect your beliefs. I have a huge amount of respect for Islam. That's the real difference here - I respect you and have no argument with you beyond the fact that you chose to disapprove of me and something of which you have no real experience. You disapprove of an integral part of my life and by extension, me. I know you don't feel like this is true, but it is. I hope we can continue this discussion, however. Don't feel like I dislike you because of this. I'd be a hypocrite if I did that, wouldn't I? John E. Morris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 23:32:05 -0400 From: "John E Morris" To: Subject: Re: Religion/sexuality/opinions/beliefs. Message-ID: <01bd8856$dad81080$48109cd1-+AT+-default> > My main problem with the "debate" is the impression I get is that if one >does not agree 100% that homosexuality is "the one true way" >(i.e. right and true for all) then one is immediately branded a narrow >minded bigot who needs to be "saved" from his/her wrong headedness. I >realize this is a rather blunt statement but that is the >general impression I have received. No one, straight, bi, gay, muslim, >christian, jew, wichen, druid, has the right to impose their thier beliefs >on others. If I disagree with another persons beliefs/morality then that >is my opinion and as long as I do not attempt to impose them on another >then I have a right to them. Now that I'm back from my short vacation, I'm free to comment. You've really missed the point. As I said earlier, this debate isn't about homosexuality - it's about bigotry, period. It just so happens that homosexuals are a main focus for bigotry at the moment, and people feel completely justified in it. No one is asking you to believe that homosexuality is the one true way, only that it is the one, true way for some people, and that those people shouldn't have to suffer because you decide that it's the wrong way. By the way, homosexuality is neither a morality or a belief - it is a state of mind with strong genetic links. We're not talking about a fondness for the color blue or a love of country music, here. >. I do not care if a person is >black, white, brown, yellow, or green. If he/she treats me with respect >then I will treat them with respect. > So, you just care if they are straight? >I would be honored if Vanyel were a real person and he considered me a >friend, at the same time I would still feel he is wrong in his choice of >sexual partners. I WOULD NOT attempt to "convert" him, nor would I expect >him to try and "convert" me. Well, there's another fundamental problem. You use the word "Convert" which reflects that somewhere, deep down, you think that gay people want to convert straight people. > > > Frankly the sexuality of Misty's books is not what I read them for. I >enjoy them for the story. The interaction of characters. I do not see the >sexuality of the characters to be the driving force behind the books. In a >few occassions I felt it was either superfluous or has even >gone so far as to have a negative effect on the storyline. You obviously >feel otherwise which is your right and I have not interest in attempting to >change your opinion as it is yours and you have every right to it. How can it have a negative effect upon the story unless you have a prejudice against homosexuals? Are STRAIGHT storylines ever disadvantageous to a novel? I'm sorry if you think this reply was nitpicking, but I think its important to point out all the little ways in which a person or group of people can be devalued and dismissed by others. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 23:39:27 -0400 From: "John E Morris" To: Subject: Re: speaking up Message-ID: <01bd8857$e2520400$48109cd1-+AT+-default> >There was one guy who liked to tell us of his sexual exploits, >as far as I'm concerned is crossing the line. Hearing about >stuff like this is where the rational part of me is shunted to >one side and gut feeling takes over. I hated hearing those >stories, yet I didn't embark in a hate campaign against him. I >told him I didn't want to hear them anymore and he >stopped...problem solved. While I agree that It's disconcerting to be regaled with sexual exploit stories from ANYONE if you don't want to hear (Granted, I've been a professional actor for the last seven years and tales of sexual exploits are about as common as Seinfeld discussion in a theatre company, but I understand your point) My question is, however, were you bothered because the stories were about sex, or because they were about sex between guys? If you had a buddy who was telling you about the chick he bagged last night would you be as bothered? Again, this is at the root of the problem. We've got a cultural stigma that says its O.K. to dislike gay people, or to tolerate them as long as they don't remind us that they are gay. I hope this isn't the case here. John E. Morris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 01:51:52 EDT From: shadowspun-+AT+-juno.com (Heather A Tomlinson) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Great Gods/timing/tall tales/God control Message-ID: <19980526.015014.6415.0.shadowspun-+AT+-juno.com> > Shadowspun, you are truly a marvel!!! I can't believe you came up >with >so many deities, not to mention comment on quite a few of them as to >their >possible origins and relations to other faiths. Like I said, I'd already had most of them written down. No biggie. But you can compliment me all you want. I really don't mind. ;) > Don't forget the Wheel I have that written down elsewhere, but I did forget about it. I wonder if there would be a deity associated with that one? > And did you remember the deity of that preist in The Oathsworn? Did you mean the guy who took care of Thalkarsh in Oathbound? If so, his name was, uh, let me get it, Yes, Nemor. If not, I'm lost. > In fact, only one part of your message distressed me, and it was this: > I have had a character named Shayana for over two years!! >I created my own little fantasy world where she lived, my own peoples with customs sort >of derived from Earth, and there was no copyright infringement! >sue me for copyright infringement!!!! AUGH!!!! Why? If it's your own world and you didn't COPY Velgarth, should there actually be a problem? As long as it's sufficiently different. > How could I not notice that when I read it? It's basically a one-liner. Easy to miss. I was just looking for things like that when I found it. ********** >Okay here's a random question for all of you: for some reason I'm >receiving the messages from this list out of order. I am too. I thought it was just my computer or Juno. What is going on? ********** >PS. I thank all the BIG and little Gods/Goddessses out there that Icewind >is no longer here to hear me tell my tall tale - I would become short very >fast! Just remember that she could look at the archived posts. ********** > 3. How powerful are these deities? We've seen that one of them (?) set a > destiny for Elspeth, yet she easily defies it and chooses her own way. Why > do these deities let her do this? Can't they control their own people? I was under the impression that there were quite a few options for Elspeth's little quest, but the one Gwena was pushing was just the easiest. Also, for the Storms, didn't the Avatars or someone say that there were just too many variables for the gods to step in? Maybe it was Altra. Reading time. Well, that's enough rambling for about 2 in the morning, don't you think? Shadowspun & Hobgood _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 18:55:17 +1200 From: Tanja Freedman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-HERALD.CO.UK Subject: Re: Question about magic Message-ID: <356A6755.94D188D7-+AT+-usa.net> Greetings everyone from a newbie who's been lurking for a fair while now - I'm a Pagan - and used to call myself Wiccan (I'm a little more eclectic now), so I couldn't help putting in my two cents worth! > Question for Wiccans and those who practice some kind of magic....how > similar (or not) is the magic system in Velgarth to the magic Wiccans > practice? I don't recall the exact magic system in Velgarth (could someone remind me?)- so I probably can't make any useful reply straight off - but I can say that in all of the Misty books (from Valdemar, to the Diana Tregarde set, to the Serrated Edge) I've read, she seems to have a pretty good (dare I say... realistic) view of what magic is and how it works - as I understand it, anyway ;-) Wind to thy Wings Starfire > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 02:24:30 -0400 From: "True" To: Subject: Re: opinions/beliefs Message-ID: <199805260652.CAA20904-+AT+-mailhost.capecod.net> Mark had written: >> The problem I see with the intellectual conversation is that it seems to be one sided as I stated above.<< This I can understand, in the sense that a good deal of the people who are on this list are sympathetic to one side. Either that, or they are on the side of tolerance of any side. When one goes into a discussion where many people are like this, and you are not, then it would feel as you say it does. >>Frankly the sexuality of Misty's books is not what I read them for. I enjoy them for the story. The interaction of characters. I do not see the sexuality of the characters to be the driving force behind the books. In a few occassions I felt it was either superfluous or has even gone so far as to have a negative effect on the storyline. You obviously feel otherwise which is your right and I have not interest in attempting to change your opinion as it is yours and you have every right to it.<< *nod* But let me sight a few examples of where the sexuality of the charaters was key to the storyline, if not the whole series. A) Tarma. The Star-Eyed traded her gifts to Tarma for Tarma's sexual drive, making it so that she would desire none. This is integral to her character, and thus the series. If Tarma were to be attracted and perhaps choose a mate, then why would she need Kethry to heir a new clan? B) Talia, Dirk, and Kris. In Arrow's Fall, Talia and Kris had a good amount of exercise with each other while they were trapped in the cabin. This is the main reason why Dirk became so self-destructive in his ways (and, if you recall, Dirk's sexuality with another woman caused his first period of the same mentality). Now you could argue that this was not really necessary for ~a~ story, but for the story that was written, it was a nice incentive to read further. C) Elspeth and Darkwing. True, they could have remained friends, but the same argument used in B applies here. D) A bit of trivia, since I have a not so good memory for names, but in the Chrome Circle (I believe), the little girl who was pretty much the main factor of the story was abused by her father. Not her sexuality per se, but his that is what made the story. E) Vanyel. Could the series have been pulled off had Vanyel been straight? *nod* Most likely. I can tell you, though, that it would have been entirely different. Yes, he could have gotten his Gifts blown open if he were life-bonded to a woman, but would he have been sent to Haven if he were straight? If you recall, the reason why Vanyel was pushed as hard as he was at swordplay was because his father saw that he may be "scaych-leaning" (totally paraphrasing here). If he had been seen as straight (his father looking at his sexuality), he would have been treated (most likely) as another heir. Had he been singled out as he was, but for another reason, I tend to think that we would have seen something more of the ilk of Firebird. There are also a slew of other minor characters that cause you to go hmm and yay and oh... about. One must remember that in each character that is written, and indeed in each living person on Earth, sexuality is a very strong part of their lives. If you are to write about a person as truly as you can, I do not see how you can leave this part out, or let it be slightly mentioned. (Out of Misty-world, one of the key reasons why the X-Files are so vividly watched is because of all of the people that want to see Mulder and Scully finally kiss. If they had no sexuality, fans would just think that they had a wonderful friendship, and that was that.) > I realize that the above has been a exercise in futility on my part but I > felt that your post deserved a reply. You've not changed my opinion and > highly doubt that I have changed yours. On one thing I hope we can both > agree - there is not one true way. *grin* If there were one true way, we wouldn't have the wonderful discussion that the whole Misty List entails. *shrug* I do not wish to change your opinion, my friend. Although it can be said that any good debate's goal is to do so to one of the parties, what can I say, I like to play demon's advocate ;). However, if you believe that you are throwing your seeds to the wind on arguing your point, one wonders why you continue to do so. Bright be thy day, Wintershard Demon of Crappy Weather ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 02:54:51 -0400 From: "True" To: Subject: Copyright wonders Message-ID: <199805260652.CAA20914-+AT+-mailhost.capecod.net> Elsa wrote: >> In fact, only one part of your message distressed me, and it was this: <<*Shayana, in Obr, p25 and _Oathblood_, p300. This was the name of the god(dess) Tresti was a Healing Priest of. Also, the new Healer Tarma wants to marry Ikan off to in Oathblood.>> I have had a character named Shayana for over two years!! << This is a question which I was wondering about earlier this week. If I have a character by the name of John Smith in my head, and have been using his name for quite a while, and then a very large movie comes out and uses that name a ~lot~, am I to not write what I wish? Now, take this into consideration. What if they do not use this character a whole bunch, say... maybe only a few scenes. And say that his character is totally different from my character that I have written (or will write). I would (myself) lean towards writing John Smith out as I wish. The problem which is showing is the name. There are a few things that you could do. For one, ask yourself if Shayana is the name that truly fits your character. If you came up with that name, and would have anyways, I would say still use it. If there is no way that Misty's character (see disclaimer below) has influenced your own character, I cannot see where the harm would be in that. There are very few ~first names~ that an author can claim copyright over. For example, if I wish to call myself Wintershard, I can do that. If someone wishes to argue that the style of that name belongs to Misty, let them aruge that point to the thousands of pagans with names of that style whom have never heard of Misty. On the other hand, if you ~really~ wish to play it safe and still use the same name, take the links of Misty's off of your page and play dumb when asked about it ;). Bright be thy day, Wintershard Demon of Crappy Weather (disclaimer : these comments and views are solely the views of the author of this e-mail, and do not express the views of any court cases, the Misty List, nor the owner of this e-mail account ;). ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 23:56:36 -0700 From: Robert Simpson To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: speaking up Message-ID: <356A67A4.8638CEA7-+AT+-prodigy.net> Hmmmm Interesting question John. I'm afraid the answer is I was more disturbed because it was sex between 2 guys. I take great comfort in the knowledge that when there's 2 people in my bed mine is the only hairy arse present. However, I have also heard some stories about more...exotic sexual practices between heterosexual couples that I found equally 'repellant' (is that too strong a word - I don't know). I suppose I'm just an old fashioned meat and potatoes kind of bloke. Ah well, live and let live. Rab ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 03:13:37 EDT From: Paustinnew To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Reincarnation Message-ID: <451fbadb.356a6ba2-+AT+-aol.com> You have a valid point. Nevertheless, I'm not sure I could be so faithful to any deity that wanted me to come back as a creature whose main diet is grass and hay. 8-) Pam, who goes by Map ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 03:20:06 EDT From: Paustinnew To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Religion/sexuality/opinions/beliefs. Message-ID: <52b3f7dc.356a6d27-+AT+-aol.com> In a message dated 98-05-26 00:15:26 EDT, you write: > I do not care if a person is >>black, white, brown, yellow, or green. If he/she treats me with respect >>then I will treat them with respect. > I will agree with you, except for one thing. I care quite a bit if someone is green. It usually means he or she is quite ill, and in need of care. Now, if they're polka-dotted.... Sheep flavored chocolates to all. Pam, who goes by Map ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 00:56:09 PDT From: "Kristjan Wager" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Religion/sexuality/opinions/beliefs. Message-ID: <19980526075609.24661.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Hi everyone I have to respond to something John E. Morris wrote: >Well, there's another fundamental problem. You use the word "Convert" which reflects that somewhere, deep down, you think that gay people want to convert straight people.< I think I might have started something with my objecting to the use of the word sin. It seems like everyone is objecting against specific words now, that was not what I intended to start. In this context the word "convert" is used in a way which is common usages. Try not to put to much into everything other people says. I think I'll make a suggestion to Femmy ( and everyone else ): If you write that homosexuality is a sin according to your religion, and not just that homosexuality is a sin, then I have nothing to object about, because you clearly puts it into the context it is being used in. I hope this mede sense to everyone. Sheepflavored danish to everyone:) Kris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 08:01:52 -0400 From: "Old Nicodmeus" To: "Mlackeylist" Subject: Hello from a new member Message-ID: <199805261155.HAA12183-+AT+-dns.city-net.com> Heyla all! I just joined the list. Ive been a fan of Misty for quite some time now. I'm especially fond of any of her works dealing with the Taledras, Shin'a'in, and her Urban Fantasy's. Ive heard a lot of good things about this list so Im looking forward to the discussions. ************************************************************************ "With words of mercy in his hand/ he walks the battle fields a wounded man..." --"Crime and Passion" Capercaille ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 08:36:02 +0000 From: "Uther Pendragon" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: re: auras Message-ID: <199805261235.IAA30326-+AT+-camel8.mindspring.com> Here are a couple of answers to some questions: - Ele: Virr and I checked in M-Pawn for the aura colors. Starwind, Van's teacher, had a "blue-green voice" and Moondance, his healer, had a "green- gold voice". I'd guess the mind voice would have the same color as their aura. -Elsa: Just change one or two letters in the name of your goddess....authors do it all the time. **That was a brilliant answer Storm...Elsa probably figured that out ..** Virr, do you mind? I can do this on my own! **** Just a warning list-sibs... Never mind-mate with an independent,obstinate,and sarcastic ki-rin. Mind-mating with a gold fish would be easier... Goddes Bless, Stormdancer, Guardian mage & Virr, Ki-Rin mage **Siochain ar talamh** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 08:43:33 -0400 From: Stasia To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Copyright wonders Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980526084333.00a7e9d4-+AT+-mail.gte.net> At 08:21 AM 5/26/98 +0100, you wrote: >Elsa wrote: >>> In fact, only one part of your message distressed me, and it was >this: <<*Shayana, in Obr, p25 and _Oathblood_, p300. This was the name of >the god(dess) Tresti was a Healing Priest of. Also, the new Healer Tarma >wants to marry Ikan off to in Oathblood.>> > I have had a character named Shayana for over two years!! << > > This is a question which I was wondering about earlier this week. If I >have a character by the name of John Smith in my head, and have been using >his name for quite a while, and then a very large movie comes out and uses >that name a ~lot~, am I to not write what I wish? Yes, Stasia is out of lurker mode for a short time, just to respond. Now, I don't think that it would, or could, be a problem. Just like truly original names, there are very few truly original names. As you were saying in part of your response that I deleted, if the characters are nothing alike, the copyright would never fly. In many ways, it similar to the popularity of children being named after characters in a movie The only thing you have to worry about is if your character *IS* similar to the one in the book/movie/whatever. Another worry, of course, is that everyone that has not heard you use that name for a character will assume that that is where you got the name from. I was in The Dominion's chat room one day with about 1/2 a dozen other people, along with chatting on ICQ, and on Instant Messanger with several different people. I use the name Anastasia , which I have been using in poetry, as screen names, etc for about 10 years. Apparently someone in Dominion chat asked me a question and, because I wasn't currently looking at what was going on there, I was busy with one of my other correspondence, I missed it. When I finally came back and was in the process of typing a response, I saw pop up "I hate people who choose to use a name after a movie has come out to make it popular." and he disappeared. He didn't know me, he couldn't judge, but sometimes, its stuff like that you may need to put up with. As you were saying Wintershard, you've gotta kinda decide how important the name is to you! Enough for now! Gotta get ready for Niki trip here. I'm excited!!! Amber, who's often known as Stasia _____________________________________________________________________ "What is a friend? A single soul dwelling in two bodies." -- Aristotle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 10:04:28 -0500 From: Cliff Keller To: "'Misty Mailing List'" Subject: Re: Misty Jeopardy Message-ID: <01BD888D.C0CBF440-+AT+-cjak-0003> Heyla all: Some times I have to really think about these but they help refresh my memory of the books. >>On to double jeopardy: >>For 200 chocolate sheep points give me >>a question for this answer: Hyron Current winners of chocolate sheep are: Muranog Shadowbane Raven Darkblade Jeanne Riverwolf Here are the points at this time: Elsa : 300 chocolate sheep points Raven Darkblade : 900 chocolate sheep points Barb : 500 chocolate sheep points Winternight : 100 chocolate sheep points Shadowspun : 500 chocolate sheep points Jeanne Riverwolf : 200 chocolate sheep points Muranog Shawdowbane : 200 chocolate sheep points On to double jeopardy: For 400 chocolate sheep points give me a question for this answer: Lytha Don't forget the book or books this character is found in! :) da-da-dunt-dunt-DUNT-D-DUNT-Dunt-dunt-dunt Come on it's fun! You know you want to play!!!!! :) Cailet Flameflower ~Keeper of the Garden~ Shimmer the Worba ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1599 **********************************