MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1651 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Lifebonds by Peter Allen 2) Sacred Ground and Lifebonds by "Eleonora Scoseria" 3) Re: the Van mythos by Brett Dunbar 4) Re: Wyrsa/Kero & Eldan/Pay Thee by edrucker-+AT+-ruraltel.net (Ed Rucker) 5) Re:lifebonds by kalistia-+AT+-juno.com (kalistia s l.) 6) Re: lifebonds by rhiannon13-+AT+-geocities.com 7) Re:lifebonds by "Winterstar K'Sheyna" 8) Lifebonds by dprono-+AT+-planet.eon.net 9) Re: my bad by Darvoso 10) Re: many arguments and explainations by "Marv Watson" 11) life bonds & Anthony by "Peggy Lee" 12) Re: Sheep/ LHM by AprilS81-+AT+-aol.com 13) Arthur/Owlsight by B10nd31-+AT+-aol.com 14) Brvaes Braiddson Makes a Valiant Return From Musty Studio Archives by Korendil 15) RE: Lifebonds by "Old Nicodemus" 16) lifebonds by Banfilidh-+AT+-aol.com 17) Raven checking in, Firebird, Black Mountain, NC by "Raven Darkblade" 18) Re: Re: many arguments and explainations by Paustinnew-+AT+-aol.com 19) Re: Re: Sheep/ LHM by Paustinnew-+AT+-aol.com 20) Titles by "Rhiannon" 21) Re: lifebonds by Insane Ingrid 22) oops by Banfilidh-+AT+-aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:10:19 -0400 From: Peter Allen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Lifebonds Message-ID: <35A8C3CB.3B24923C-+AT+-frontiernet.net> Becky wrote: >> Anyway, how many of you actually would want to be in a lifebond? I personally would. Even with all the problems that can come with it, I think that it would be worth it in the end to have someone who loves you unconditionally who you feel the same way about.<< Although the fantasy of having someone love you unconditionally sounds wonderful to me, I don't think that I would like to have it happen in real life. The problem with unconditional love is that you never have to try in order to make it happen. What I mean by that is that you don't have to improve yourself or your standards, the person just accepts you for who you are. Now, while that is a wonderful thing to have happen, and indeed in the first parts of a relationship, that is what happens, when a relationship grows older and matures, people in that relationship should do the same. I don't think that it would be healthy for me if my partner didn't mind that I acted childish throughout our whole relationship. The beauty of a lifebond is the security issue. No matter who you are, the person accepts you. This means that if at some point, my partner were to totally change in their mentality, and it wasn't something that I would ever accept in another person, I would only be able to grin and bear it. Does that happen often with people? No, but it is still something that I wouldn't want to have the chance of happening. On the other hand, the beauty of having a lovebond is that you do not have those restraints. People are allowed to be who they are. If I want to stay with my partner, I can do that. At times, I even have to improve myself, making myself a better person overall, in order to gain their approval. While this is a frustrating thing, it is something that needs to be done in order for a person to grow as an individual. A lovebond, or in other words a simple loving relationship, is like keeping up a house. You have to do all of the dusting, vacuuming, and other cleaning that is necessary in order to keep the house habitable. Sometimes, you may even want to give it a new coat of paint. If you don't do any of these things, neither you nor your partner will live in it. A lifebond, on the other hand, will live in that house no matter how damaged it becomes. As the days stretch on, and you both see that you do not want to live in the house, you find that in the fine print of your mortgage, you can't sell it. In other words, you're stuck. I don't think I would like to find myself in that situation. For a semi-ObMisty, you can read the part of WoFury, I believe, where Stef gives Nyara and Skif the same sort of speech. Bright be thy day, Wintershard Councilor of Mist ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 12:05:36 -0300 From: "Eleonora Scoseria" To: Subject: Sacred Ground and Lifebonds Message-ID: <01bdada6$8689dc00$ad7303cf-+AT+-compu1> Hiya! I finished reading Sacred Ground last night, that being my second non-Velgarth Misty book (except for Tiger Burning Bright that is in any case a collab) and I have to say I enjoyed it. Kestrel/Jennifer seems more believable and lovable to me than, say, Di Tregarde. She is not all the time whining about her fate and her responsibilities, and she does seem to be able to enjoy life when the opportunity presents itself. Other than that, while I read the book and Misty's disclaimer at the end in the spirit that it was writtem (i.e. as pure entertainment with a supposedly researched background) I can't help but wonder (and I hope someone on the list will be able to shed some light): 1. how much the non-magical parts of the book reflect the current life and status of Native Americans in OK 2. how Native Americans feel about the "magical" or "shamanic" parts of the book. >Becky wrote: >>> Anyway, how many of you actually would want to be in a lifebond? I personally would. Even with all the problems that can come with it, I think that it would be worth it in the end to have someone who loves you unconditionally who you feel the same way about.<< and then Wintershard added a HTH-like essay about lifebods. And all I can add to it, is a "what he said" =) >As the days stretch on, and you both see that you do >not want to live in the house, you find that in the fine print of your >mortgage, you can't sell it. In other words, you're stuck. I don't think I >would like to find myself in that situation. In a sense, it is a bit what happened to Van re Tylendel's madness. 'lendel goes mad with pain and hatred and Van has basically no choice but to oblige him. He is so blinded by the love and the bond, that he can only do what 'lendel asks him to do, instead of thinking things through and looking for help outside of himself. I am jumping to conclusions here, but does anyone else think that perhaps things would have been different if what Van and 'lendel had was a lovebond instead of a lifebond? Hmmm..ok, enough rambling from me on this lovely Sunday morning. The weather outside is cold but sunny =)...and I hope it will remain that way Peace, Ele Councilor of Mist High Priestess of Karma Priestess of All Things Nocturnal - dept. of Maternal Fowl ;) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 16:08:34 +0100 From: Brett Dunbar To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: the Van mythos Message-ID: In article <19980708050638.22224.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com>, Winterstar K'Sheyna writes >Just a note, as I see we are having fun comparing Vanyel to King >Arthur's court, I was wondering if anyone has read 'The Broken Sword' by >Molly Cochran and Warren Murphy. I just finished it, and I thought it >was quite good. I haven't read the preceeding book, 'The Forever King' >though. I plan to. It's about King Arthur in our RL time... as a young >boy. Of course, there's Merlin, the knights of the round table... >(though how Hal finds them is interesting), and the evil that Arthur >must vanquish... But it's a good read, I thought. Try comparing Vanyel >into THIS age! I read the first one. I didn't like the way they kept calling Arthur English, he was a Briton, a Celt, he was FIGHTING the (ancestors of the) English for gods sake. He's part of Welsh national mythology not that of the English. In fact I found that so annoying I had no desire to read any more of the series. I don't appreciate the English trying to steal our national heroes. -- Brett Dunbar ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:58:02 -0500 From: edrucker-+AT+-ruraltel.net (Ed Rucker) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Wyrsa/Kero & Eldan/Pay Thee Message-ID: <35A8EB1A.7F5CCBDA-+AT+-ruraltel.net> Heyla! If I remember right, they didn't so much as feed on the "meat" of theirvictims as they did the energies and life force of their prey. And as we all know, there is alot of energy released from a violent death. It seems to me that I read that Misty herself said that they were not lifebonded. I think that both Kero and Eldan are too together to be lifebonded. Remember that one of the pair of a true life bond has to "need" the help of the pairing. Anyone read If I Pay Thee in Gold? SPOILER SPACE I could almost tell which parts were written by Misty and which were by Anthony . I loved the first part of the book in the city when she was earning her freedom and thought it very Misty-ish, but I didn't care for the traveling - very Anthony-ish. I felt that he/they stopped developing characters and started moralizing. Opinions? WTTW Minstrel Clarienne Lady in Green ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 14:04:37 EDT From: kalistia-+AT+-juno.com (kalistia s l.) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re:lifebonds Message-ID: <19980712.112558.7231.0.kalistia-+AT+-juno.com> ::looking overwhelmed and a bit soaked:: thanks all, i don't quite know what to say...but thanks all for the gifts of peace, truth, reading, confidence and courage, and the dagger : ) becky wrote: ~~Anyway, how many of you actually would want to be in a lifebond? I personally would. Even with all the problems that can come with it, I think that it would be worth it in the end to have someone who loves you unconditionally who you feel the same way about. ~~ I would. i do realize there are problems encountered, but that kind of bond you can trust...i dunno, i seems worth it in the long run wintershard wrote: ~~What I mean by that is that you don't have to improve yourself or your standards, the person just accepts you for who you are.~~ i don't think that is true...being in a life bond is having someone there that you love yes, but that you grow with and mature with. yes, the person excepts you for who you are, but you both grow and learn from each other. also, you're able to talk to your bonded, so if there is something that bothers you, you can talk about it and reach a happy medium...but i do think there is a touch of lovebonding involved in keeping a lifebond sane... ele wrote ~~I am jumping to conclusions here, but does anyone else think that perhaps things would have been different if what Van and 'lendel had was a lovebond instead of a lifebond?~~ i don't think so. i think van is the type that is blinded by love itself, and he might not have acted as severe as he did when 'lendel died, but i think the same impact would have occurred. am i making any sense here? sweet water and light laughter 'til next we meet kalistia firemyst _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 14:57:38 -0500 From: rhiannon13-+AT+-geocities.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: lifebonds Message-ID: <35A91532.598A-+AT+-geocities.com> Bright the Day, listsibs. I would never want a lifebond. It is far too binding. I am one of those people that has to leave every so often, to relieve my itchy feet. And if I had a lifebond, one of us would be dependent on the other, and I wouldn't be able to have enough freedom. If I ever discover that I have lifebonded I'll probably go a little crazy before the other person makes me accept it. ::shudder:: I NEVER want a life bond. I can't sacrifice my independence and my freedom. A little note of sadness: my bestest friend has moved away, but fortunatly for us, now that she has gone through the ordeal, she will have time to join the list! I hope she joins soon.... Wind to thy Wings, Rhiannon Shadowsong ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:42:30 MDT From: "Winterstar K'Sheyna" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re:lifebonds Message-ID: <19980712214230.7682.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> >becky wrote: >~~Anyway, how many of you actually would want to be in a lifebond? I >personally would. Even with all the problems that can come with it, >I think that it would be worth it in the end to have someone who >loves you unconditionally who you feel the same way about. ~~ Ouch, a toughy. Depends on what mood I'm in when you ask me. One mood, I'd be ready to say, "No, because I don't want to trust my heart away like that." and another mood, "I wouldn't mind having someone I know I could trust, who loved me for who I am." But then my other mood would ask, "What if you wanted to change, would he love you for that?" and then my romantic mood keeps quiet, because she knows the practical side will win. So I'd say, on the most part, no, I don't. Winterstar K'sheyna ******************* "Look back at our struggle for freedom, Trace our present day's strength to it's source, And you'll find that Man's pathway to glory, Is strewn with the bones of a horse." Anonymous ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:31:48 From: dprono-+AT+-planet.eon.net To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Lifebonds Message-ID: <3.0.3.16.19980712153148.273fa248-+AT+-planet.eon.net> Heya! Wow, a short post from me... what's the world comming to? Becky asked: >Anyway, how many of you actually would want to be in a lifebond? I personally >would. Even with all the problems that can come with it, I think that it would >be worth it in the end to have someone who loves you unconditionally who you >feel the same way about. Er... sorry. I think that no matter how nice and romantic a lifebond seems, it would be just too darned confining. You have to be happy for your lifebonded to be happy. You have to ALWAYS compromise, and my selfish, greedy heart happens to like to have it's own way every so often, alas, which causes mine name to often be attached to the dreadfully cruel words 'pig-headed' or 'stubborn'. Not only that, but you just cant guy watch anymore... *sigh* Besides, being lifebonded would mean that one of you is emotionally unstable and potentially dangerous, and I'd hate to spend my life wondering if one of us could crack up in a crouded bus or something... I'd personally settle for a lovebond anyday; not only would it allow you to be more your own person (Lifebonded are said to become more and more like eachother as time goes on), but you can be selfish every-so-often. And if it's true love, you'll get the unconditional part without many of the strings. (ok ok, that was an oxymoron, but if you look at lifebonded love, there ARE strings) Raspberry pavlova-and-whipped-cream sheep to all for letting me rant! :) Yvonne, bonded to Chiti, Chosen by Korla Goddess of Kelpies, Selkies, and the other Water-Borne Knight of Fluff Lady of the OOUH Bearer of the Enchanted Bucket (tm) *&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&* Tread softly because you tread on my dreams. -W. B. Yeats from 'He Wishes for the Cloths of Heaven' ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 17:45:59 -0500 From: Darvoso To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: my bad Message-ID: <35A93CA7.3AA04EC2-+AT+-fortwayne.infi.net> > > i did the horrible thing of reading Magic's Promise and then going > to read MPawn. and i was suddenly filled with white-hot rage at all > the pain and agony 'Lendel caused Van to go through most of his > life...and > > really, i couldn't stand reading through the rest of the book-i had > to stop when Staven died. did anyone else ever feel this way? > > Yes I have felt that way. 'Lendal was a PAIN IN THE ASS. But a > necessary pain in the ass. I have known people like that in my life. > You need them for some things -- for if nothing else -- their > selfishness makes you stronger. As we have discussed before Van would > not have been Van without the events that took place -- but that still > doesn't mean 'Lendal didn't deserve the slap you wanted to give him. Why was Lendel a pain!? If he wasn't there, Van woulda died, if he wasn't there, Van would never have been who he was....Lendel *loved* Vanyel, so whyfor a pain?? The only thing that lendel ever did _wrong_ as such, was he had the bad humour to go and suicide. Which, he did regret later, and it wasn't like Lendel did it to *SPITE* Van, sheez. ;) And someone, somewhere, mentioned that the gods work with spirits [or vice-versa] on Velgerath, about knowing the future. Um, just to point this out, the gods don't *KNOW* the Future at all! They point this out, many, many times in the Storms series. ;) And on lifebonds and such, I'd have to say I'd much rather have a lifebond. ;) Don't know *why* other than that I'd much rather know than have to work Maybe I'm lazy?? Winternight, whose gf is looking at him *really*really* strange now. [poor girl. She's never read these books......] Bye all. ;) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 16:51:38 -0700 From: "Marv Watson" To: Subject: Re: many arguments and explainations Message-ID: <00fc01bdadf0$038efa20$ed8030cc-+AT+-default> Heyla everyone! ****************** <> Skywolf falls off her chair laughing. Ohh, this phrase is perfect for my mother and my. We've gone on chocolate hunts at 1 am before when we got the munchies. hee hee hee! Oh yeah, Elsa, I'm on the LKH list now too!!!!! ******************** << Two words. Tad Williams. Very good. Take slowly. Enjoy much. Book title: The Dragonbone Chair.>> I probably should have read that first, instead of starting with Green Angel Tower. Where were you three years ago? I still haven't finished it!!>> I finished To Green Angel Tower in three days. I read all night and day; I was in self imposed exile. But I sped read the book, and so missed a lot. I've begun to read the intire series again and it's taken me several months to get through it. But I love it. It's beautiful work. ******************* <> If I remember correctly, in Arrows of the Queen, when Talia is on the road to Haven, at the first or second guard place, the guard there says to Talia that it'll take 8-9 days to get to Haven, and that on a regular horse it'd usually take weeks. ******************* <> Absoluely everything. Rock, jazz, country, opera. I don't listen to too much country, though, only on those loooong road trips in which my batteries for my cd player has run out. Fav. jazz: Charlie Parker. fav. rock group: Dave Mathews Band. Doesn't the mood of "Don't drink the Water" match that of the series Memory, Sorrow and Thorn? Just a thought.... ******************* (small fluff) Skywolf looks up as Kalistia Firemyst stumbles into the room. She dishes out a plate of yummie thai chicken and rice and walks over to the embarassed girl. "Heyla! Welcome to the List, have some food, and talk away. One of the Councelors will give you an induct I'm sure, so, have fun!" With that she hands the bewildered girl the plate of food and returns to her cooking food, chasing off Misha as she did so. *Darn it, Mish! I told you to stay away from my food!* ******************* I've been reading this thread of the lifebond vs. lovebond thing and I felt I had to comment. It appears in Black Gryphon when Cynibar (sp?) is talking about lifebonds. She says (roughly) that a lifebond takes much more work than a lovebond, because in a life bond you FEEL everything your partner feels, so if your partners unhappy, so are you. So you have to be able to work together and be able to be flexible enough to give up or stop what ever is hurting your bonded. ******************* I remember reading somewhere in Misty's books that the Goddess was bound by certain rules. Now, a Goddess, having rules? Huh? Does that mean she's just like some little sister playing dolls with a planet with her younger brother? Or did she willingly place those rules there to restrain herself from interfearing too much? I'd like to say there are more gods than just the goddess (the ones that actually take part of their worshipper's lives). Partly because of Need's tale and the fact that if I look at it that way, there's more room to wonder, hypostulate (I claim this word to be real in the name of the God John the Guitar Player) and imagine about the world Velgarth. Well, it's just IMHO. Swingfully Yours, Skywolf and Misha Prietesses of the Orders of: John the Guitar Player Buddah the Drum God & Rob the Guru Guy (hint hint: they need more worshippers) Priestesses of OOPS Members of the OIB Members of the OOUH 1st Champions of Firesong FRANCE WON THE WORLD CUP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "An' it don' mean a thing, if it ain't got that swing.." - Miles Davis ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 16:55:59 PDT From: "Peggy Lee" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: life bonds & Anthony Message-ID: <19980712235600.22585.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Ok, ok, if i can keep up long enough to post something i wouldn't lurk so much. . . *STILL attempting to get everything dry from the welcome bucket. . .* Well, i've been reading and i should say, i can remember what people say, just not who has said it and well, i'm basically to lazy to go back and look:) i, too, am without access to ALL my books, somewhere over a 1000 of them and most of Misty's books. . . *little pout. . . glancing around the Woods Library, wishing i lived here ALL the time. . .* i just recently moved out of the nest and had to leave the lit behind, until NEXT summer. . . *having slight fits over it. . . remembering the breathing exercises. . .* Ok, i'm a little better. . . Since the hot topic, so to speak, is life bonds, let me say, NO! *L* Having just recently entered full-time, so to speak, into a relationship, i wouldn't change one single agonising moment of wondering if he felt the same and if we would get a chance to try building a life together. . . if we had been lifebonded it would be a given, where's the excitement, the romance, the sheer human agony??? IMHO love isn't worth much if it hasn't persevered through hard times, if it hasn't been tested. . . it's those tests that make the love grow stronger. . . and well, ok, i refuse to admit at all, regardless of what The Voices say, that i could be emotionally bad enough to NEED a life bond, since i know the wonderful, loving, caring, sexy as hell man o my life ain't. . . *getting all misty eyes. . . wishing he were awake. . .* As to the Misty/Anthony collaboration, well, i read it, it wasn't so bad, as long as you realised it was written in an Anthony frame. . . it doesn't matter who writes with him, he takes over. . . Much better was Tiger Burning Bright and not just because i am also a HUGE MZB fan. . .anyway, that's all my ramblings for now, the dishes want to be washed and so on. . . *not sure she gets the whole sheep thing STILL, shrugs and figures when in Rome, taking a pinch of pixie dust, a smackeral of nymph magic and conjures a good dozen sheep, real-life, ba-a-a-a-ing, wool gathering sheep into everyone's home. . .giggles softly and slips into the stacks at the Library. . . looking for Tak the Archivist somewhere. . .* Ok, ok, my best friend and love is a huge Zelazny fan, i had to mention his stuff somewhere. . . *L* The Prince's Pixie, Lady Librarian of the Woods, Nymph of the Snows, AND General fae chick carrying a loaded super soaker;) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 19:59:45 EDT From: AprilS81-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Sheep/ LHM Message-ID: In a message dated 98-07-09 18:00:05 EDT, you write: << Heyla, list-sibs! A friend told me that LHM is where the big sheep joke started. I haven't read that trilogy (Don't flame me! I'm trying to get my hands on it!), so can someone tell me if that's right, and what book it's in? Thanks! Taquera Lady In Green >> There is a joke made by one of the characters, Jervis, at the end of the second book that is about sheep. I also think there were sheep jokes in Queens Own, and in either QO or Storms, Dirk and Kris had a sheep joke. They are all over!!! April ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 20:08:20 EDT From: B10nd31-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Arthur/Owlsight Message-ID: << I read the first one. I didn't like the way they kept calling Arthur English, he was a Briton, a Celt, he was FIGHTING the (ancestors of the) English for gods sake. He's part of Welsh national mythology not that of the English. In fact I found that so annoying I had no desire to read any more of the series. I don't appreciate the English trying to steal our national heroes. -- Brett Dunbar>> he also part of the cornish mythos and some if not a lot of english people have little anglo-saxon in them i'm english but most of my ancestors were welsh some irish and swedish, if you ignore romans, normans, it would be better to refer to english as anglo-celts. ///////////////////////////////////////////// Owlsight. i'm a member if the Queen's Own fan club and according to the newsletter Owlsight is now at the publishers still set for an october release which will mean September for some book shops. the cover looks nice with darian holding a walking stick with a owls head carved on the top. it also gave a sysnopses of it prob fom the back cover so i will give a brief bit of the synopses in a spoiler. / / / / / / / / / / / / / the book is set 4 years after owlflight and darien is training to be a healer adept the central character is a teenage girl who is acting as village healer although she has the healing gift she has not been to the healers collgium too get it properly trained as she worries about what might happen at the village if she left to get properly trained and the barbarians come back to recapture the village and she and darian decide to stay and fight against them. Shas Ellion ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 20:40:17 -0400 From: Korendil To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Brvaes Braiddson Makes a Valiant Return From Musty Studio Archives Message-ID: Skywolf said: > I'd like to say there are more gods than just >the goddess (the ones that actually take part of their worshipper's lives). >Partly because of Need's tale and the fact that if I look at it that way, >there's more room to wonder, hypostulate (I claim this word to be real in >the name of the God John the Guitar Player) and imagine about the world >Velgarth. Well, it's just IMHO. I would like to think there are more Gods and Godesses than the Two, but there just isn't much evidence...Misty seems to slam into us all the time that all of 'em are just Aspects. As for Need, that seems to be the same God/Goddess pair (well, two pairs of em), with slightly different names. WoFate is on the other side of the room, but, iirc, one of them has a name suspiciously like Kal'enal. Two, actually. Oh, and, yes, Vkandis and Kal'enal are Consorts. The books say as much, and I'm pretty sure Misty said as much last summer when someone asked. Winternight asked: >Why was Lendel a pain!? If he wasn't there, Van woulda died, if he wasn't >there, Van would never have been who he was....Lendel *loved* Vanyel, so >whyfor a pain?? The only thing that lendel ever did _wrong_ as such, was >he had the bad humour to go and suicide. Which, he did regret later, and >it wasn't like Lendel did it to *SPITE* Van, sheez. ;) I think the problem people have with Lendel is that he was selfish. He didn't follow the Heraldic motto of "Let's all be martyrs for Velgarth and get pretty ballads written about us!".....I really liked him. Tylendel was *real*...he had faults, and he paid for those faults dearly. But he was lifebound. And he had no right to take advantage of Vanyel's Potential the way he did. I'd say he atoned, though. The consensus, if I recall, is that Kero and Eldan were not lifebonded (Same with Elspeth and Darkwind--but no, Dax, it wasn't me who asked...). I dunno...seems to me they might have been. It's hard to believe they survived such a long time apart, but, then, Talia managed. The mind-link would seem to be a mix of their Gift, the Bond, and, I imagine, possibly the Gods. Oh, and on the resurrected "Would you want to be lifebonded" and "would you like to be Chosen" threads: yes to both. I'm a sucker for romantic stuff like that;> Dax said: >I was very disappoined in the Van and Jonne story considering that the guy >who wrote it lives with Misty and Larry. So was I. In fact, I didn't think much of Mark Shephard at all--until I read his independent novel. I got a copy of it at DragonCon last summer, where he was selling it....I was quite impressed. I'm pretty sure it's called Blackrose Avenue. One of those recent future scifi books where the radical right wingers have taken over America and are putting undisirables in a concentration-camp, nazi-esque setting. But really well done. The ending was kinda weak, but I read it in one night, iirc. Get it, if you can find it. Oh, one last thing. Guys? You don't need to post spoiler warnings on books that have been out more than...argh. Can't remember the limit. So older stuff is free game. &_______________________korendil-+AT+-icubed.net_______________________& Korendil, Knight of Amber & Marigold, One in Black, God of Night and All Things Nocturnal, (Pledged) Champion (of Lady Ele), Jester and Party Coordinator of the Clan of the Pink Wand, Terminally Cute Elfin Warrior, Fairy Godson of the Lilac Fairy, Master of Dreams, Asker Of Strange Questions To Misty, _Bower Inquirer_ Reporter. &_______________________korendil-+AT+-icubed.net_______________________& ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:24:06 -0400 From: "Old Nicodemus" To: Subject: RE: Lifebonds Message-ID: <199807130125.VAA27625-+AT+-postoffice.itiseasy.com> I would love to have a lifebond! Nothing deeply philosophical about it, IMHO. It simply comes down to the fact that after being beaten, torn, and battered and feeling so damn heartsick you wanna die, you can go home take off the masks that you were forced to wear and let all that ugliness flow out in torrents and all the while you feel your life mate there, holding you close, accepting you with every ounce of their being. > Anyway, how many of you actually would want to be in a > lifebond? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:50:04 EDT From: Banfilidh-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: lifebonds Message-ID: <3578fd5c.35a967cd-+AT+-aol.com> heyla all , >>*Yvonne holds out a pretty blue flower, a dark blue at the center fading to a translucent azure at the end of it's petals* Instead of a ~~~SPLOSH~~~ : Young women of almost eighteen turns with a smile.She accepts the flower and bows deeply ,blonde hair falling around her face , Thank you my Lady ......: >>how many of you actually would want to be in a lifebond? >> I think that I might would, but what choice would one have in it? >>The problem with unconditional love is that you never have to try in order to make it happen. What I mean by that is that you don't have to improve yourself or your standards, >> In My Honest Oppinon...If two people love each other unconditionally ,They will work to keep it working (even if they dont have to ) The relationship would definately mature and grow how could it not (If they love each other ) There is always things you have to go threw together , deaths of friends arguments over duty or work .for example the women who wants to work but the man that wants her to stay home ,there would have to be a compromise hense the work and the matureing in the relationship . ok so maybe you would love each other no matter what but that dosent mean youll like each other . >>being lifebonded would mean that one of you is emotionally unstable and potentially dangerous, Could this be why its a lifebond and not a love bond ,The fact that theres a huge emotional gap that has to be taken care of ... wouldnt it be tramatic(sp?) enough to make what would have been a lovebond just that much more intense? Is it possible to have both a lifebond and a lovebond or the two be one in the same ? ObMisty...... I want to start aanother series after I read storm breaking ( dose anyone know if its in paper back yet ) I was thinking of the Bardic voices any suggestions I really like the way Misty writes , oh and is Tiger Burning Bright good? zai'heleva banfilidh ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 18:51:07 PDT From: "Raven Darkblade" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Raven checking in, Firebird, Black Mountain, NC Message-ID: <19980713015107.26034.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Shadowblade wrote: <> *waving hand* Here I am, the original Raven checking after getting back from preregistration. Listsibs, I have found the holy land. A college called Montreat, in a little NC town called Black Mountain that hasn't aged since the fifties, I swear. There's a working blacksmith, a shop where you can buy dulcimers, an actual soda fountain where you can get vanilla Coke and other interesting things, and best of all a bookstore called Mysteries in the Mountains that has fantasy and sci-fi to the ceiling, where you can buy Mercedes Lackey hardbacks for five dollars. (Got Firebird. And a plastic grocery sack full of other books, for a little over thirty dollars total.) And they take trades! I'm moving there this August--!!! Preregistration took two hours *total* including a tour of my very nice third-floor end-of-the-hall dorm room and its private bath. It's like going to school at summer camp, I swear. Speaking of Firebird, what did everyone else think of it? I liked it lots--Ilya, though not perhaps the typical Misty hero, was a bright guy, and I'd love to be able to speak to animals. I'd have liked more development in his relationship with the Firebird, but I guess there was only so much Misty could do with that. I cried over the gelding that died, too. Le sigh. One last rave about Black Mountain--another of the shops I found has a stained glass window for sale; a very mideival-looking falconer and his very noble-looking bird. $1,700, but you can bet they'll find me down there with a sketchpad! Zha'hai'allav'a, Raven Darkblade, Holy Hand of the Goddess of Elves, Card-Carrying Bitch, Renegade Sarcastic Person, Member of the Mistic Circle, Knight and Founding Member of the Order of Unsung Heroes, Advocator of Eldan and Champion of Kethra and Hyllarr; and Mor the raven, her familiar, who both brake for SERRA members. "If he uses the word 'dusky' in reference to me one more time, I'll hand him his bowels on a platter." --Raven Darkblade abbykat-+AT+-hotmail.com http://www.angelfire.com/ky/Ashke/ http://dragonlance.justbecause.org/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:00:50 EDT From: Paustinnew-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Re: many arguments and explainations Message-ID: <9aeaefca.35a96a53-+AT+-aol.com> In a message dated 7/12/98, 8:05:12 PM, mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk writes: <> If any of you are CS Lewis fans, you may remember that Aslan says several times (specifically when he meets up with Lucy on the island of the Dufflepuds (Voyage of the Dawn Treader -- arugably the best of the chronicles) that he also follows his own rules. So -- the idea of gods having rules is not unknown. Guess they wouldn't be rules if everyone didn't have to follow them. Something like the law of gravity???? Pam, who goes by Map and wishes all of you chocolate flavors of your choice. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:05:36 EDT From: Paustinnew-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Re: Sheep/ LHM Message-ID: ALCON: I lived in Montana for several years, and the joke there was: Montana, where the women are scarce, the men are plentiful, and the sheep are nervous. We didn't have chocolate sheep, though. Map, who goes by Pam ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 19:35:46 -0700 From: "Rhiannon" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Titles Message-ID: umm...I've been on the list for a few weeks now, and I've noticed a lot of you seem to have titles like God of..., Goddess of..., Knight of..., Priestess of... you get the picture. Anyway, where can you get something like that? Is it self-appointed or assigned? If it's on the newbie-list, then I've forgotten, and I lost the list so I can't go back and check. Also, what's the address to get a bondbird? A thousand apologies for my density, Becky --- "The first ten million years were the worst," said Marvin, "and the second ten million years, they were the worst too. The third ten million I didn't enjoy at all. After that I went into a bit of a decline." Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 20:52:02 -0600 From: Insane Ingrid To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: lifebonds Message-ID: <35A97651.D436C611-+AT+-sk.sympatico.ca> Banfilidh-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > ObMisty...... I want to start aanother series after I read storm breaking ( > dose anyone know if its in paper back yet ) I was thinking of the Bardic > voices any suggestions I really like the way Misty writes , oh and is Tiger > Burning Bright good? > zai'heleva > banfilidh All the Storm books are available in paperback. Been in paper back since March or April. I own all three. Read Bardic Voices. Very very good. Insane Ingrid, who's going back to newbie lurking ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:28:04 EDT From: Banfilidh-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: oops Message-ID: :young women enters the hall at brisk pace,trying to gather her composer as she goes about unbuckling cloak and sword and ploping down into a chair.: I somehow in my stupidity stumbled blindly into a chat where there was some wrather unappropriate ( well for me at least ) roll playing going on . dont ask how I dont know but someone there kindly informed me and I split but not befor they had look into my profile and said somthing about Misty . To make a long story short are there any places to go on line to roll play in one of mistys worlds?:her tiered eyes sending a questioning look to all about her ,in the almost empty hall .: zai'heleva and have beautiful dreams my friends for with out dreams the world would not be ... Banfilidh ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1651 **********************************