MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1652 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Van/Lifebonds by MorningStar 2) Tylendel's Selfishness, Self-determination and the richness of Narnia by "John E Morris" 3) Lifebonds by "Shadow Wind" 4) Re: oops/Role Playing/Spoilers Rule by SEANSQ-+AT+-aol.com 5) 'Lendel. And Gods. Goddesses. Many. More? by Darvoso 6) Further In and Further Up WAS: (Self-determination and the richness of Narnia) by "Old Nicodemus" 7) Goddess' rules/Lifebond vs. Lovebond by "Morgaine" 8) Re: Further In and Further Up WAS: (Self-determination and by efluharty-+AT+-juno.com (Ellen K Fluharty) 9) Re: life bonds & Anthony by Chocolate Lover 10) lifebonds/anthony by Karen Baker 11) Re: Alright, too much email by mjk99-+AT+-bruce.k12.wi.us (Melissa Knop) 12) minibraid (Lifebonds/Raven/NFest) by "Eleonora Scoseria" 13) Re: life bonds & Anthony by Kama DeKosse 14) Re: Tylendel's Selfishness/Gods and Goddesses by "Rhiannon" 15) RE: minibraid (Lifebonds/Raven/NFest) by "Old Nicodemus" 16) bonding, titles, by kalistia-+AT+-juno.com (kalistia firemyst) 17) Brvaes Braidsson Re-Debuts In A Small Miniseries, Execs Look At by Korendil 18) buhbye post... (fluff sorry!) by Rainbow ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:12:57 -0600 From: MorningStar To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Van/Lifebonds Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980712231257.0069dd4c-+AT+-mail.geocities.com> Ele wrote: >~~I am jumping to conclusions here, but does anyone else think that >perhaps things would have been different if what Van and 'lendel had was >a lovebond instead of a lifebond?~~ to which kalistia firemyst wrote... >i don't think so. i think van is the type that is blinded by love itself, >and he might not have acted as severe as he did when 'lendel died, but i >think the same impact would have occurred. am i making any sense here? I think things would have gone differently... for one thing, Van couldn't have had his channels blown open like that, so he wouldn't have been Chosen, so nothing would have been the same after that. As far as lifebonds go... I don't think I'd go looking for one (heck, I KNOW I wouldn't) but if I had one, I wouldn't be fighting it. I don't believe that lifebonds as written in Velgarth exist in our world, though. Just MHO, of course. Star Known to one and all as MorningStar, alternate names accepted at times Mindmate to the tawny eagle Ryia! Co-leader of the Order of Unsung Heros (http://www.geocities.com/Athens/9763) morningstar-+AT+-poetic.com dawnrain00-+AT+-aol.com http://www.netcom.com/~wiegand/kris (my page) http://www.netcom.com/~wiegand (Wiegand family homepage) "Love doesn't have an artificial limit of time or distance or place, or even of blood. It goes on as long as everyone involved is willing to do whatever it takes to keep it going." --Jean Ferris, "Looking for Home" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 01:16:56 -0400 From: "John E Morris" To: Subject: Tylendel's Selfishness, Self-determination and the richness of Narnia Message-ID: <01bdae1d$745edae0$9c109cd1-+AT+-default> >I think the problem people have with Lendel is that he was selfish. He >didn't follow the Heraldic motto of "Let's all be martyrs for Velgarth and >get pretty ballads written about us!"..... I don't know that Tylendel was inherently selfish. Just the opposite, I think. He was (before his twin's murder) unselfish enough to put Van's needs ahead of his own After all, he suffered with excellent grace the indignity of the whole "catamite" charade with the court. I've always been bothered by the whole repudiation thing (I know, old argument) because I think that 'Lendel WASN'T selfish. Rather, he had been driven out of his head by circumstances. I am bothered by the fact that his Companion was so unwilling to take direct measures, when we see Gwenna taking those direct measures when Elspeth began to, shall we say, stray in AFlight. I don't give credence to those who argue that Gwenna was groveborn, whereas Gala(?) was not. If anything, we have been told that Gwenna was NOT as wise as her naturally-born compatriots because she had not existed as a soul long enough. >Does that mean she's just like some little sister playing dolls with a planet with her younger >brother? Or did she willingly place those rules there to restrain herself >from interfearing too much? I don't remember where it is, but I seem to remember a passage that implies that the limitations ARE self-imposed. >If any of you are CS Lewis fans, you may remember that Aslan says several >times (specifically when he meets up with Lucy on the island of the Dufflepuds >(Voyage of the Dawn Treader -- arugably the best of the chronicles) that he >also follows his own rules. So -- the idea of gods having rules is not >unknown. Guess they wouldn't be rules if everyone didn't have to follow them. >Something like the law of gravity???? As an enormous CS Lewis fan (his theology as well as his fiction - well, that was theological too, but...) In Aslan's case (he's the epitome of the Christ-figure, remember) I think that Lewis is refering to the doctrine of free will. If God (or Gods, or Goddesses or what-have-you) grants free will, then certain self-limitations are incumbent upon that Diety, to allow the peoples in question to resolve the situation for good or for ill. This seems to me to be the crux of the matter as far as Kal'enel and V'kandis are concerned. Oh - and I would argue that the chronicles have no best work - they are all fantastic. However, for the purely theological aspects, I would rate The Magician's Nephew, The L, the W and the W, The Voyage of the Dawn Treader and the Last Battle as the four cornerstones of the series. I love them all, though. I now have a complete collection of the new hardback editions with cover illustrations by Christopher Van Allsburg (my twenty-or-so year-old paperback editions having long ago fallen apart.) John E. Morris - returning from a long absence and proud new owner of a 350 mhz PII with DVD and 10gig hard drive! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:24:18 PDT From: "Shadow Wind" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Lifebonds Message-ID: <19980713052419.326.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Heyla- I would rather be lifebonded, so many things can happen if it is just a love bond, and hey, at least you know that your bonded is feeling just as bad as you. I would jump at the chance to be chosen. I think that that would be the best thing possible for someone. The way I understand it is that Misty doesn't want her worlds to be copyed and used, which is something I understand, with all the problems with copyright, so there are no Misty based RPG's. Wind to thy Wings, Shadowwind Heading back into the safty of lurkdom ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 02:14:45 EDT From: SEANSQ-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: oops/Role Playing/Spoilers Rule Message-ID: <82ec9129.35a9a5d7-+AT+-aol.com> In a message dated 7/12/98 11:43:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Banfilidh-+AT+-aol.com writes: > To make a > long story short are there any places to go on line to roll play in one of > mistys worlds?:her tiered eyes sending a questioning look to all about her , > in the almost empty hall .: Well, actually no. Misty does not allow role playing in any of the worlds she has created. The closest you could come is to become part of Queens Own which is an organization that does have her blessing. They are on line at AOL. Otherwise, you can reach them at: Queens Own Contact Address Queen's Own P.O. Box 132 Shiloh, NJ 08353 The subscription price is $8.00 per year (US $) or $8 in US postage stamps. This is payable in one lump sum or in two installments of $4.00. Queen's Own goes online You can now get in touch with Queen's Own through email if anyone would like to ask Herald Housemother Judith Louvis of QO *anything* about official QO business (joining, personas, etc) to please send the email to me at annes3832-+AT+-aol.com with the subject header ***FOR JUDITH***. The email will be printed out and sent to her on a biweekly basis, and she can answer it from there! :) For non AOL subscribers, the only thing they can share with you, aside from the love of Misty's work is the email newsletter. For details, please email either the "Dean" at annes3832-+AT+-aol.com, or the editor at kadia-+AT+-aol.com. Arrows OnLine has created it's own web page for everyone on the Internet, whether they use AOL or not. It can be found at: http://members.aol.com/kadia/Test.html Information supplied by Anne annes3832-+AT+-aol.com ****************************************************************************** **************** Someone, Korendil, I think, asked about spoilers. Actually, Kory, I couldn't remember the time frames either. The hard and fast rule is NOTHING that is not is paperback but I know since this list is very international, that is not the only caveat. The following is from the Newbiefest (currently being updated and edited) SPOILERS: Remember to use spoilers, please... currently, Storm Breaking, Fire Bird, and Sword of Ice are in spoilers. /me bows in the direction of her fellow Councilors, "Does anyone know anything more current?" I will follow up tomorrow unless a council member has already sent out the info. Sorry for not having the info at the ready. Love and warm fuzzies to all in the Southern Hemisphere and ice cold fuzzies to those of us in the North. Meg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 02:53:09 -0500 From: Darvoso To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: 'Lendel. And Gods. Goddesses. Many. More? Message-ID: <35A9BCE5.CE4D1C48-+AT+-fortwayne.infi.net> Dangit, now that I've gone and delurk, I *MIGHT* as well babble on for a bit... > I would like to think there are more Gods and Godesses than the Two, but > there just isn't much evidence...Misty seems to slam into us all the time > that all of 'em are just Aspects. As for Need, that seems to be the same > God/Goddess pair (well, two pairs of em), with slightly different names. Yep, yep, definately. Because, if you note, all the god/godesses that don't have a male 'aspect' as such, or consort, or are just one, or in the Empire's case, 40 [oi! talk about a pantheon, even the *GREEKS* didn't have that many, and that's _saying_ something.], don't have any 'magical' appearances as such. Or religious if you wish to call them that. Although......I wonder if it's not 'magic' in the sense that Firesong or even Vanyel would recognize. I guess this'll be my ObMisty. ;) It says in WoFate, when you've got Trevalyn protecting Darkwind's father [shoot me now. I can't remeber his name. My god. Or goddess, or gods. Who knows. *points to subject of post in general*] when Trevalyn is protecting him from Mornelithe, that the reason it didn't fry him like an egg is because Trevalyn's magic was something that Mornelithe could not counter in any way, because it's god-given. [or I guess in Trevalyn's sake, it was goddess given...Who knows, there *IS* a male aspect of the Shin'a'in goddess, wonder what the Shin'a'in's call him....] and, in Oathbreaker, when Tarma and Kethry are at...[Roland? Ronan? Whatever his name is. _*whines about his books being elsewhere for the moment*_] and Tarma goes out to pray for a bit of help/guidance in dealing with Heralds, [the aforementioned in particular], She comes. Now, if the Goddess was an inherent magic, then, Kethry would have sensed that. Kinda hard to miss a Goddess. _But_ Tarma sure as heck felt her come, and I would say that the aforementioned Herald would have too, or was it merely a summon on him, or his companions urging, or? [I happen to think that Heralds all have a bit of religous touch to them, whether they like it or not. In _many_ ways, Heralds are quite like religious fanatics. *shiver*] So, I guess, what I'm trying to say, is this. Is Spiritual, Deity-Given Magic, different than node running, happy go lucky magic. Ya know, that brings up even more.....in WoF [I think], when there's the little happy ho-down between Darkwind, Elspeth, Mornelithe, with the Shin'a'in goddess...when the archers let loose their arrows, doesn't Darkwind feel magic moving??? And, also, when Iftel puts up their happy barrier...they say somewhere that the barrier is a huge drain on the magic resources, and nodes, in the land...and if that's so, then do the gods themselves use the node magic, and not their own brand of spiritual magic?! Or is it that spirtual mages [Ponders that term, and the uses and trademarks therein...], at a high enough level, can use that magic too....Do people see what I'm babbling about, and going on about.. Well, I'm think I"m done with _that_ snarled, tangled, and confused thread.... > I think the problem people have with Lendel is that he was selfish. Why do people think that?? 'Cause he was selfish enough to kill himself?! I don't get it!!!!*whine*mumble*grumble*blink*mutter*wonder* > He didn't follow the Heraldic motto of "Let's all be martyrs for Velgarth and > get pretty ballads written about us!" No, but he wasn't quite yet a full herald yet either, Savil mentions this...and she also mentions that if he didn't have silly family fued [fueled, IMO, by the bond between Staven and 'Lendel, to 'Lendel] that he would be much closer to the being a full herald, as his magic practice was impecable. [Would have to be if he could do a fargin gate. ;)] > And he had no right to take advantage of Vanyel's Potential the > way he did. I'd say he atoned, though. Yes, yes he did. Although, I don't see it as taking advantage. I mean, as far as 'Lendel knew, it was something that Van would _never_ be able to use, as it was mere potential. It'd be like, if you were a stuffed-animal collector, and your husband had a stuffed animal, but kept in a box in the attic, would it be wrong for you to add it to your collection?? I mean, if you have a pure lovebond [or lifebond, as is one of the current threads], you share quite a bit!!! And on the topic....Van and 'Lendel. When Sayvil took control of the gate, and shut it down, and it backlashed, why didn't it backlash through her. I mean, she _was_ tied to it. Not nearly as much as 'Lendel or Van was, but it nailed both of them, but not her. Why for?? And also, that backlash, that opened up Van's channels. Now. It describes the gifts as 'channels' in most books...does that mean that their is 'open' and 'closed' [and degress thereof, within?], or...is it more like, their are 'causeways' that the power flows through in varying degrees? [I belive it's Radvel {Ya know. I really loved LHM, because, I can remeber Vanyel's cousin name, but I can't rember Darkwind's Father's name. Sheez.} that mentions that Van's mom has a bit of empathy a bit like 'Fandes, but as a icicle to a waterfall....{just to justify the water metaphor. ;)} And I mention all this, because, then, if it's the first way, then, Van's blowing open of channels works, but if it's the second, which they mention a time or two, then, um. Van had full potential in _several_ gifts..and that's just mighty odd. ;) Although that might explain why the family [the Ashkeverons] seems to produce a few gifted here and there...lucky genes. ;P Wow, I'm wordy. Winternight.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 04:44:34 -0400 From: "Old Nicodemus" To: Subject: Further In and Further Up WAS: (Self-determination and the richness of Narnia) Message-ID: <199807130845.EAA00806-+AT+-postoffice.itiseasy.com> As an enormous CS Lewis fan (his theology as well as his > fiction - well, > that was theological too, but...) In Aslan's case (he's the > would rate The Magician's Nephew, The L, the W and the W, The > Voyage of the > Dawn Treader and the Last Battle as the four cornerstones of > the series. I > Aaaahhh, have you read the Screwtape Papers?? (I think hats the title) Ive been looking for these for a long time now and I cant find them!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:28:19 +0200 From: "Morgaine" To: "Mercedes-Lackey (E-mail)" Subject: Goddess' rules/Lifebond vs. Lovebond Message-ID: <000101bdae48$f52bf920$656410ac-+AT+-pc01.tc-systems.ch> Skywolf wrote: << I remember reading somewhere in Misty's books that the Goddess was bound by certain rules. Now, a Goddess, having rules? Huh? Does that mean she's just like some little sister playing dolls with a planet with her younger brother? Or did she willingly place those rules there to restrain herself from interfering too much? >> May be a Goddess doesn't need rules, but she can make them for the sake of humans. We need consistency, or at least a semblance of it. For the Lifebond vs. Lovebond thread, I think that Stefen/Tylendel made a good summary of the inconvenience of a lifebond, but I would like to add something. I have read many listsibs saying that with a lifebond you are certain you will be accepted as you are. The other side is that YOU will have to accept your partner as he/she is, and you will have no choice about it. In a lovebond you have to work to reach an understanding, but when you have it it is (IMNSHO) much more precious because it is born out of your choice, not some circustance you cant modify. But then, I believe that you value things by what you are willing to sacrifice to keep them. Wind to thy Wings Morgaine ---------------------- Morgaine, the Were-Cat A distant cousin to the Cheshire Cat Member of The Ones In Black "I am the Cat who walks by himself, and all places are alike to me" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:56:03 -0400 From: efluharty-+AT+-juno.com (Ellen K Fluharty) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Further In and Further Up WAS: (Self-determination and Message-ID: <19980713.095603.4374.0.efluharty-+AT+-juno.com> *Aaaahhh, have you read the Screwtape Papers?? (I think hats the title) *Ive been looking for these for a long time now and I cant find them!! The Screwtape Letters shouldn't be too hard to find.....they are one of Lewis' most famous works if you don't count the Chronicles of Narnia. (Which I would just LOVE to have in hardcover editions. My paperbacks are so worn.) ObMisty: While the thought of being lifebonded is tempting, I don't think that I would want to have one. The best parts of a relationship occur in the beginning when a pair discovers that they are compatible because they want to be, not because they have to be, and comprimises make relationships stronger. (After all, if you are willing to give up a behavior for someone, it is a good measure of your love for them.) As far as Van and Tylendel go, I wonder if perhaps the bond with his twin was stronger. As far as Darkwind and Elspeth being lifebonded or lovebonded, in Storm Warning, Talia states, "Darkwind and I are bonded, and Firesong knows it....." and later says, "we are lovers, partners, and friends..." (My guess is this is a lovebond, simply because she never actually said the other.) (hardcover edition, pg. 126 and 128.) Fluffy chocolate covered cherry sheep to everyone!!! (P.S. is there anything new to talk about?) Ellen shena Liha'irden _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:14:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Chocolate Lover To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: life bonds & Anthony Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, Peggy Lee wrote: > sheep into everyone's home. . .giggles softly and slips into the stacks > at the Library. . . looking for Tak the Archivist somewhere. . .* > Ok, ok, my best friend and love is a huge Zelazny fan, i had to mention > his stuff somewhere. . . *L* Tak is da Bomb! Tak of the Bright Spear, Keeper of the Library of Heaven. Although, as cool as he is, my fave is and always will be Ratri, of whom it has been said that the Goddess has filled wide space, to its depth and its breadth and her radiance drives forth the dark. That being said, I have to say also that "Lord of Light" is about the only Zelazny *novel* that I like. I'm rather fond of a number of his short-stories (I love the stories in his anthology "The Lamps of His Face, the Doors of His Mouth") Hmmmm. ObMisty: okay, none of her deities ever struck me as particularly divine. Even the Star-Eyed isn't terribly "transcendant" (for lack of a better word). One of the things that makes "Lord of Light" so magical (or the Hyperion/Endymion books) is that there is a sense of something more than human; not just more powerful than humans, but more *more* than humans (if you see what I mean). Misty's gods are capable of being villains and heroes on a human scale, with no hint that they exist on any other scale. Of course, in a way, it makes Vkandis more likeable (although, the Star-Eyed tends to work my last nerve). You can just imagine him and Kalenel having a cup of coffee and a couple of bagels in the morning before going off to their separate jobs, maybe exchanging a few snippets of gossip or funny things that their people have been doing, that sort of thing. You know, if Vkandis seems, to me at least, to be a rather congenial sort, and Kalenel is a bit annoying, maybe that's why they no longer work together: different management styles that didn't mesh well. May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd Councilor of Mist Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me //www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/prof/ken.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 08:20:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Karen Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: lifebonds/anthony Message-ID: <19980713152048.15603.rocketmail-+AT+-send101.yahoomail.com> heyla all I have decided to have this msg be fluff-free *be proud of me!* anyways, so i am unlurking to comment on this thread before it dissapears. Becky's query concerning lifebonds. i, personally, would like a lifebond. and, rlly, things are still up in the air. it isnt as much of a given as some think. and as to the lifebond not having agony, what about Talia&Dirk? `Lendel/Stefan&Vanyel? the list goes on. Misty makes it very clear that things are not crystal clear and perfect for lifebonds. if anything i would say lifebonds have more agony, or at least a unique kind. and even with someone who loves you unconditionally, becuase they love you so much, they want you to continue to grow and impove yourself. and they will push you toward that. Van's case was unique in that Van was very weak and had based his whole personality etc. on Lendel. so when Lendel went berserk Van couldnt/wouldnt do anything but blind himself to that and do whatever he could, convincing himself that it would help Lendel, make him back into what he was. it wouldnt have. even if Gala hadnt repudiated him. and, as to someone's comment that the only thing 'wrong' he did was suicide, i dont agree. i think where he went wrong was not accepting and griefing his twin's death. perhaps avenging him in another way. not murdering all the ppl because he was hurting. thats where he went wrong [and dragging Van into it] not in suiciding. can you honestly say you wouldnt have suicided after being reupidated? i cant. and i dont blame him for it. neither do i blame Gala. as much as it hurt her, she was right in repudiating him. he wasnt the same human she Chose. anyways, i would say that i already have a lifebond [and i am sorry if i revive the whole "do lifebonds exist" thread. because we have been over that recently.] and i am sorry if that offends anyone's personal opinions. as to If I Pay Thee Not in Gold, i have yet to read it. but i dont think ppl should judge Piers Anthony by his Xanth books [because i think many ppl on this list do]. unless you read other series by him, such as Incarnations of Immortality, you rlly have no basis for judgement. thats like only reading Misty's, say, Di Tregade books or [as to you our there who think she is 'declining'] only reading her new stuff and judgeing her by that. Xanth is mind candy, i freely admit that. but mind candy has its place, and as even Xanth isnt 'deep' as other such books i still buy/read every Xanth book that comes out. and i respect and admire Piers very much [mainly for the other books, mind ye. tho it was Xanth which got me interested in him.] another thing i like about him, are the very revealing Author's Notes. they rlly give you a glimpse into into his life and who he is. its rlly facinating and at time si find myself skipping to the Notes before finishing the actual book. I wish other authors would do that also, esp. Misty. it reminds us that they are human and have the same troubles etc. etc. it is very interesting to read, almost like meeting them. well, enough rambling for now. Large Chocolate Sheep for all the list sibs. Chocolate Sheep with White Chocolate Shavings for fleece, Peppermint slivers for eyes, Strawberry noses, and dark Chocolate hooves. == God bless and keep you!! Zhai`helleva{Wind to Thy Wings} Karen, Kiarrith, Catling, MUSE, KiT[Keeper of the Sheep!], Kat, Elijaran, Bai Kai Ling Members of: Singers of Fire{Soprano},The Order of Unsung Heros{Keighvin Silverhair, Sayvil/Savil, and Chinthliss!}, The Fluffian Order(a Knight of Fluff), The Order of Light Warriors, The Ladies in Green{Bai Kai Ling only}, The Ones in Black{the other 7!} The Lord bless and keep you; the Lord make His face shine upon you and be gracious to you; the Lord turn His face toward you and give you peace. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free -+AT+-yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:43:36 -0500 From: mjk99-+AT+-bruce.k12.wi.us (Melissa Knop) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Alright, too much email Message-ID: <35AA2B28.53505C2A-+AT+-bruce.k12.wi.us> Me too Cymrey-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > Sorry folks, but my email load has increased way too much... > How do I sub this list? > I loves ya all and enjoyed me time here, but its time to leave... > ::waveys!!!!:: > Zhai'helluva, > Cymrey > Member of OOUH, Champion of Vree! > Druidess in Green! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:03:55 -0300 From: "Eleonora Scoseria" To: Subject: minibraid (Lifebonds/Raven/NFest) Message-ID: <01bdae77$d667a5a0$ad7303cf-+AT+-compu1> Old Nicodemus wrote: >I would love to have a lifebond! Nothing deeply philosophical about it, >IMHO. >It simply comes down to the fact that after being beaten, torn, and >battered and feeling so damn heartsick you wanna die, you can go home >take off the masks that you were forced to wear and let all that >ugliness flow out in torrents and all the while you feel your life mate >there, holding you close, accepting you with every ounce of their being. Hmm....isn't that something that you can just as easily do in a love bond for lack of a better expression? It seems to me that it is even more wonderful in such a case since your mate has the option of not being there for you, but chooses to because of love, and not because the powers that be determined that you and the other one are somehow matching pieces in some cosmic puzzle =) ======== banfilidh asked: >> ObMisty...... I want to start aanother series after I read storm breaking ( dose anyone know if its in paper back yet ) I was thinking of the Bardic voices any suggestions I really like the way Misty writes , oh and is Tiger Burning Bright good? << IMHO, Tiger Burning Bright is very good. =) ====== Raven Darkblade wrote about her college bliss: congrats! and welcome back =) ===== As for those who asked about the Newbie Fest, here is the URL http://www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/pers/misty/newbiefest.html Peace, Ele Councilor of Mist High Priestess of Karma Priestess of All Things Nocturnal - dept. of maternal fowl ;) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:04:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Kama DeKosse To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: life bonds & Anthony Message-ID: <19980713160436.22804.rocketmail-+AT+-send1a.yahoomail.com> *Kamaria timidly ventures into the world of non-lurking to put in her two cents worth* I agree that lifebonding is a hot topic!! However - I think a lifebond would be interesting - to put it mildly. First of all - you dont' have a choice when it comes to a lifebond. You can't pick and choose who you are bonded to. Maybe that makes me a wee bit sadistic - but I think it definitely puts some sparks into things. As for lifebonds being easy? *Kama falls over laughing* I have a wonderful, happy and very enriching relationship, but I would never call it easy. I think love is established in a lifebond - eventually. Once you figure out how you can possibly be tied to the same person you would love to strangle with your lute string just to see all the variations of the color purple. Anyhow - thank thee all for indulging my thoughts! * Kama curtsey's* Tis the one thing I can do flawlessly :) kama > > Since the hot topic, so to speak, is life bonds, let me say, NO! *L* > Having just recently entered full-time, so to speak, into a > relationship, i wouldn't change one single agonising moment of wondering > if he felt the same and if we would get a chance to try building a life > together. . . if we had been lifebonded it would be a given, where's the > excitement, the romance, the sheer human agony??? > IMHO love isn't worth much if it hasn't persevered through hard times, > if it hasn't been tested. . . it's those tests that make the love grow > stronger. . . and well, ok, i refuse to admit at all, regardless of what > The Voices say, that i could be emotionally bad enough to NEED a life > bond, since i know the wonderful, loving, caring, sexy as hell man o my > life ain't. . . *getting all misty eyes. . . wishing he were awake. . .* > > == Pray thy gods protect thee e'en as mine moon doth protect me. For to live in fear is truely not to live. Pray thy gods hold thee dear and use mine moon to aid thee in thy quest for peace and happiness, for all seems serene and perfect when the night is clear and the moon is full. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free -+AT+-yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 08:07:10 -0700 From: "Rhiannon" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tylendel's Selfishness/Gods and Goddesses Message-ID: >I am bothered by the fact that his Companion was so unwilling >to take direct measures, when we see Gwenna taking those direct measures >when Elspeth began to, shall we say, stray in AFlight. I don't give credence >to those who argue that Gwenna was groveborn, whereas Gala(?) was not. If >anything, we have been told that Gwenna was NOT as wise as her >naturally-born compatriots because she had not existed as a soul long >enough. > I think that Gala didn't interfere with 'Lendel because she didn't know the full extent of his madness. I mean, of course she knew that he was hurting and probably tried to comfort him, but 'Lendel was blocking her out of the plan. (Remember, that's why he and Van rented horses, because they couldn't let Gala know and they didn't want to use any horse from the royal stables.) Gala probably thought he was blocking her out because he was hurting. Whereas Elspeth didn't try to block Gwena because she didn't consider what she was doing as wrong. And Gwena was worried for a long time before she finally took action. > I would like to think there are more Gods and Godesses than the Two, but > there just isn't much evidence...Misty seems to slam into us all the time > that all of 'em are just Aspects. As for Need, that seems to be the same > God/Goddess pair (well, two pairs of em), with slightly different names. In The Oathbound, when Tarma and Kethry are fighting Thalkarsh(sp?) Tarma says that the Goddess cannot help them because Thalkarsh is too close to being a God and Gods and Goddesses cannot fight each other. And in the one of the Storms books, Kero says that since the Empire practiced ancestor worship and not real gods, the Shin'a'in Goddess and Vkandis might interfere since they weren't up against any other gods. Doesn't that imply that there are other deities out there? Okay, I've rambled enough for one morning. Shiny silver sheep to everyone! Becky --- "The first ten million years were the worst," said Marvin, "and the second ten million years, they were the worst too. The third ten million I didn't enjoy at all. After that I went into a bit of a decline." Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:55:51 -0400 From: "Old Nicodemus" To: Subject: RE: minibraid (Lifebonds/Raven/NFest) Message-ID: <199807131757.NAA02156-+AT+-postoffice.itiseasy.com> Oh I definitely agree. Hmm, how to put this? A Lifebond is a fictional magickal event brought about by a Deity Who thinks two certain people should be together. Should we say perhaps a love bond (as the culmination of two peoples respect and love for each other) is what the wonderful, imaginative author whom we all adore modeled the Lifebonds after? > Hmm....isn't that something that you can just as easily do in > a love bond > for lack of a better expression? It seems to me that it is even more > wonderful in such a case since your mate has the option of > not being there > for you, but chooses to because of love, and not because the > powers that be > determined that you and the other one are somehow matching > pieces in some > cosmic puzzle =) > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:19:21 EDT From: kalistia-+AT+-juno.com (kalistia firemyst) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: bonding, titles, Message-ID: <19980713.124031.7287.0.kalistia-+AT+-juno.com> the subject could be annoying, but i just had to say one more thing: morningstar wrote: ~~I think things would have gone differently... for one thing, Van couldn't have had his channels blown open like that, so he wouldn't have been Chosen, so nothing would have been the same after that.~~ which is true...i was tempted to add, but was pressed for time, that if the bond wasn't a lifebond, there wouldn't have been a story...or not as much impact. btw...as far as having a companion...i would love one, someone there to talk to, who understands and can help you decide what is the right course of action to take. i believe if it hadn't've been a life bond, the story wouldn't've been recommended to me, and i wouldn't be here now talking to you guys...a thought i dislike greatly ::sticks out her tongue in disgust:: becky wrote: ~~umm...I've been on the list for a few weeks now, and I've noticed a lot of you seem to have titles like God of..., Goddess of..., Knight of..., Priestess of... you get the picture. Anyway, where can you get something like that? Is it self-appointed or assigned? If it's on the newbie-list, then I've forgotten, and I lost the list so I can't go back and check. Also, what's the address to get a bondbird?~~ i just read the newbie list, and there's not much there on titles, i'm confuséd also...it did say to ask those who have that type of title on there sig. i don't know the address for bondbirds, but i'm sure it was on there...i do wish i could remember...but if ya wanna look...here again is the address: www.ling.edu/hyde/pers/misty/newbiefest.html darvoso-+AT+-fortwayne.infi.net wrote: ~~It describes the gifts as 'channels' in most books...does that mean that their is 'open' and 'closed' [and degress thereof, within?], or...is it more like, their are 'causeways' that the power flows through in varying degrees?~~ imho i think it's both...like a drawbridge that has varying degrees of being up and down...like...if the bridge is all the way up the person has potential, but the channel is closed, so they can't use it...but if it's all the way down the person is _very_powerful...and the angles in between up and down distinguishing the powers of the gifts...maybe when van's channels were blown it was like the release for the gears of the bridge being pulled and instead of a gentle and gradual fall it was a boom... fluff ~ i'm sorry this is long...but i left work early cuz i was sick and i just had to reply to stuff...now, adieu to you (and chocolate sheep too!!!!!) sweet water and light laughter 'til next we meet kalistia firemyst _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:25:46 -0400 From: Korendil To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Brvaes Braidsson Re-Debuts In A Small Miniseries, Execs Look At Message-ID: Winterknight said: >Yes, yes he did. Although, I don't see it as taking advantage. I mean, >as far >as 'Lendel knew, it was something that Van would _never_ be able to use, as it >was mere potential. I still see Lendel as doing something that there's no way Van would understand the depth of....and the thing is, he took Van's power for his PERSONAL use, to fuel a vendetta. But then again, he was insane. Oh well. > >And on the topic....Van and 'Lendel. When Sayvil took control of the >gate, and >shut it down, and it backlashed, why didn't it backlash through her. I mean, >she _was_ tied to it. Not nearly as much as 'Lendel or Van was, but it nailed >both of them, but not her. Why for?? >From what I remember of Pawn, didn't Savil close off all the links before closing the Gate, and simply forgot to close Vanyel's? > [I belive it's Radvel {Ya know. I really loved LHM, because, >I can remeber Vanyel's cousin name, but I can't rember Darkwind's Father's >name. Sheez.} that mentions that Van's mom has a bit of empathy a bit like >'Fandes, but as a icicle to a waterfall....{just to justify the water >metaphor. >;)} And I mention all this, because, then, if it's the first way, then, Van's >blowing open of channels works, but if it's the second, which they mention a >time or two, then, um. Van had full potential in _several_ gifts..and that's >just mighty odd. ;) Although that might explain why the family [the >Ashkeverons] seems to produce a few gifted here and there...lucky genes. ;P > Time for my Ashkevron Family History Theory;> In Promise, we learn that that the Hawkbrothers used to be around the area, to take care of the fault. I don't think they all left. They assimilated. Look at the name of the family: Ashkevron...Beloved See-er? I mean, we have examples of the Tayledras being thought of as "lords"...with the magical powers inherent in the family, I think they just forgot their roots. It would also explain why there was *so* much Gate energy in the chapel door, and the primal nature of the Wyreth(?) forest....Hawkbrother magic. It called to Van because of all of his blood, not just the magical parts of it. Oh, and in the beginning of Pawn, someone in the family says "Heyla" to Van. Becky said: > And in the one of the Storms books, Kero says that since the Empire >practiced >ancestor worship and not real gods, the Shin'a'in Goddess and >Vkandis might >interfere since they weren't up against any other gods. >Doesn't that imply >that there are other deities out there? That's one way of looking at it, but what about: Aspects of Gods and Goddesses can't fight against one another. Why not? simple logic: you can't fight yourself. The Shin'a'in Goddess and Vkandis are both aspects of the Duo...just like Astera and Kernos are. Imo. Oh, and on the role-playing game thing: NO. While this seems really mean of Misty, she's said that if she someday wanted to release any sort of electronic game based on her books, she could stand to lose up to $30,000 in the copyright suits....so make one, and you'll have her wyrsa--erm, her lawyers at your throat. &_______________________korendil-+AT+-icubed.net_______________________& Korendil, Knight of Amber & Marigold, One in Black, God of Night and All Things Nocturnal, (Pledged) Champion (of Lady Ele), Jester and Party Coordinator of the Clan of the Pink Wand, Terminally Cute Elfin Warrior, Fairy Godson of the Lilac Fairy, Master of Dreams, Asker Of Strange Questions To Misty, _Bower Inquirer_ Reporter. &_______________________korendil-+AT+-icubed.net_______________________& ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:27:18 +0100 From: Rainbow To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: buhbye post... (fluff sorry!) Message-ID: FLUFF (sorry!) Into the Halls of Mist a woman walks, her silver hair flowing down her back, and her grey-blue eyes both sad and smiling. "I fear I must leave you for two weeks." Rainbow says, magnifying the words using magic. "I, and for sure Dee'rina here," she sneaks a look at the white pegasus behind her and grins. :Blushing are we, dear?: she asks her friend as Dee's head becomes tucked under a long graceful wing. :No.: Dee snorts, glaring at her friend. Two dragons fly down to behind Rainbow, one red and gold, Spectra, and the other black, with veins of silver and gold, Chaos. :We will miss these Halls too.: they boom together before flying back up. Rainbow glances at everyone, the Garden, the Fountain, the OIB tent, the LIG party, and you could /swear/ there was a tear in her eye. "I /will/ be back in 2 weeks, but I cannot cope with 500 e-mails when I return from Greece." She smiles, and magics up some bubbles, "Older Listsibs from when /I/ joined will know these taste like whatever you want. I promise I will return soon!" Rainbow changes her sig. file to her /full/ Mistylist one, then smiles. (I had forgotten about the Flions.) She touches the gem that her Goddess had given her, and takes on the aspect of a large winged lion (Flion = Flying Lion). :Bye dear friends!: She mindcalls as she tastes a chocolate bubble, and flies off to Reality, Spectra, Chaos and Dee'rina following close behind. END FLUFF OK, so I couldn't resist! I want to know any SOF developements, and OIB, so don't take me off any e-mails to do with them! It's only the main list I need off! OBMisty (an attempt at one!) OK... *thinks* a) How am I going to get all my Misty books on the plane? b) Why don't they sell Misty's books in ENGLISH in Greece? and c) There are a lot of twin Gods and Goddesses, but if there are ONLY Vkandis and Kal'edral then how do you explain Need's 'twins' (2 boys and 2 girls) Have fun and enjoy the bubbles! Rainbow )`~) ,.( ~(., /\ Bonded to `,.,~., _/~ ~\ Spectra (Dragon) `,., .,, / ¬\ Chaos (Dragon) ,' `~,_~.,'`'`,_`~ ) (/ -- Befriended by ( ¦ Avatar to the ` Dee'rina Harnon (Pegasus) ( \ Goddess of Flions '` /|\ '` Member of the Singer of Fire Mistic Circle Member of the OIB Vanyel Fan Club Mercedes Lackey Mailing List ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1652 **********************************