MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1668 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) re: Apostrophes by Ailsa Reid 2) Re: Apostrophes by Rebecca Cary 3) re: Apostrophes by Kama DeKosse 4) Re: Apostrophes by Kenneth Allen Hyde 5) apostrophes by "Nelson Greenslade" 6) Re: re: Apostrophes by Paustinnew-+AT+-aol.com 7) Re: Re: Apostrophes by Paustinnew-+AT+-aol.com 8) Re: re: Apostrophes by Kenneth Allen Hyde 9) Re: Apostrophes by Dancekbg-+AT+-aol.com 10) Bard's Tale and Other Misty Works by "Tim & Tiffanie" 11) subscribe? by edrucker-+AT+-ruraltel.net (Ed Rucker) 12) Unsubbing? by folkie-+AT+-usa.net 13) Re: subscribe? by troll-+AT+-netcomuk.co.uk 14) Sherman/McKennitt/Umm... by "Raven Darkblade" 15) Re: Unsubbing? by DGeorge994-+AT+-aol.com 16) Re: Unsubbing? by LLL5ski-+AT+-aol.com 17) Re: Sherman/McKennitt/Umm... by Kenneth Allen Hyde 18) Re: Bard's Tale and other Misty works by "Nelson Greenslade" 19) can't remember the title books & lammas by David Yost 20) apostrophes and hellos by "Raven Castro" 21) How did Kethry get Need? by Adrienne 22) Re: can't remember the title books & lammas by Noelle Meade ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:01:20 +0100 (BST) From: Ailsa Reid To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: re: Apostrophes Message-ID: <199807291401.PAA07300-+AT+-brookes.ac.uk> Wintershard said: >Becky wrote: > >> Question: my sister was in here asking me why these people have apostrophes and I realized I don't know! > >I believe that in Misty's books, the apostrophes are to represent gluttural (sp?) stops in the name. I think the term is glottal stops. >And, since I can't spell it, I can't make one either *g*. I can't recall exactly which societies in >the world use these, but I do know that there are some. Can anyone give some help? Well, oddly enough they do appear in English, but not the "received pronunciation" version of it. It's more common in "Estuary English" and ?Liverpudlian? *Ailsa prepares to hide from any listsibs from those areas!* For example, someone saying "button" in "Estuary English" (that's what the papers call the way all the TV Londoners speak) actually says buh'en, with the tt sound vanishing into a sort of gap slightly shorter than between two words. I can't think of any languages which have it as part of their standard form, but I'm pretty sure there are some somewhere. Anyone on the list who knows more about linguistics than me and wants to correct my explanation or tellus of a language with glottal stops in please do so! Ailsa Member of the Council of Mist and semi-professional lurker ____________________________________________________________________________ | Ailsa Reid areid-+AT+-brookes.ac.uk | | Health and safety: bureaucratic form of exorcism | | for warding off chemicals. | | (Chemistry in Britain (1993) 334) | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 10:48:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Rebecca Cary To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Apostrophes Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Jul 1998, Peter Allen wrote: > That other Becky wrote: > > > Question: my sister was in here asking me why these people have > >apostrophes and I realized I don't know! > > I believe that in Misty's books, the apostrophes are to represent > gluttural (sp?) stops in the name. And, since I can't spell it, I can't > make one either *g*. I can't recall exactly which societies in the world > use these, but I do know that there are some. Can anyone give some help? > Okay, quick detour into the wonderful world of phonetics. A glottal stop is the act of cutting off sound, back in your throat. It makes a slight clicking sound, but only a slight one, and is shorter than a pause. English isn't supposed to use them, but a lot of people do. (If you know anyone who makes a slight sticking or click-y sound when they first start talking, there you go.) I don't know about other languages, though. On the subject of An'desha, I've got to agree -- the poor boy needs a rest. If he turned up in another Misty book, there would be tumultuous things happening to him again, and he doesn't deserve that. (If I were he, I'd want to go back to the Plains and sleep for a couple years.) Becky Lady in Green Goddess of Oversleeping and Snide Comments She Who Seeks Chocolate -------------- In general, France is a safe travel destination, though travelers are advised that, from time to time, it is invaded by Germany. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 08:35:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Kama DeKosse To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: re: Apostrophes Message-ID: <19980729153537.20809.rocketmail-+AT+-send1c.yahoomail.com> > Anyone on the list who knows more about linguistics than me and wants to > correct my explanation or tellus of a language with glottal stops in please do > so! >From what I remember in studies - you are right about the glottal stops - the one language I do know that still uses it, is a tribe in Africa ( i'm terrible at geography so I'll have to look up the location) is the Kung! - and the "!" is part of their name and has a sound, represented by a clucking noise from the tongue. Hope this helped :) Kama > Ailsa > Member of the Council of Mist and semi-professional lurker > ____________________________________________________________________________ > | Ailsa Reid areid-+AT+-brookes.ac.uk | > | Health and safety: bureaucratic form of exorcism | > | for warding off chemicals. | > | (Chemistry in Britain (1993) 334) | > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > == Pray thy gods protect thee e'en as mine moon doth protect me. For to live in fear is truely not to live. Pray thy gods hold thee dear and use mine moon to aid thee in thy quest for peace and happiness, for all seems serene and perfect when the night is clear and the moon is full. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free -+AT+-yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:54:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Kenneth Allen Hyde To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Apostrophes Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Jul 1998, Rebecca Cary wrote: > Okay, quick detour into the wonderful world of phonetics. A glottal stop > is the act of cutting off sound, back in your throat. It makes a slight > clicking sound, but only a slight one, and is shorter than a pause. Actually, a glottal stop is formed by closing off the speech airstream from the lungs at the glottis (the voicebox, more or less). It is the most common of the "guttural" consonants in the world's languages and is the only guttural that occurs in most dialects of English (I refuse to commit myself to saying "all dialects"!). > English isn't supposed to use them, but a lot of people do. Actually, the glottal stop is part of the phonetic inventory of Standard American English (SAE) and Received Pronunciation (RP, the prestige dialect of Great Britain). The most common word with a glottal stop in these dialects is the exclamation "uh-oh," which has a glottal stop between the first and second vowel. Characteristically, English speakers will use a glottal stops to seperate a sequence of vowels if they don't want to use a "y" or "w" glide. For example, the word "Hawaii" can be pronounced with a "y" sound between the second "a" and the "i", but some people will pronounce it with a glottal stop (which incidentally the correct Polynesian pronunciation). For many speakers of American Dialect, the "t" and "d" sounds are pronounced as glottal stops when they are at the end of a word. This phenomenon is most clearly heard in words like "want" and "won't." Most dialects of English in the US also pronounce the "t" in "button" and "cotton" and "mutton" as a glottal stop. (For any of you who are interested in specific details, the rule in American English is /t/ becomes [?] (the glottal stop) when it occurs between a stressed vowel and a nasal vowel. The best way to hear this sound is to say the word in a natural, informal context. For example, read the following sentence allowed in as natural a voice as possible: "I've lost the button off my blue cotton shirt!" > I don't know about other languages, though. Glottal stops are phonemic in German, Hebrew, Arabic, Polynesian, and many other languages. This means that, in these languages, the glottal stop has the status of a letter and that it can be used to distinguish two words. E.g. German distinguishes "ver'ein" with "verein." The words mean different things and the only difference in their pronunciation is the presence of the glottal stop (indicated with the '-mark. ObMisty: I haven't done a complete analysis, but my impression of Shin'a'in and Kaled'a'in is that the glottal stops are inserted for effect. Misty herself claims not to be able to make a glottal stop sound in them. In addition, I seem to remember that there were one or two words that would violate universal principles of human language if the ' is interpreted as a true glottal stop. May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd Councilor of Mist Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me //www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/prof/ken.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 13:26:20 -0300 From: "Nelson Greenslade" To: "Misty" Subject: apostrophes Message-ID: <01bdbb0d$9eac41a0$8787b3cf-+AT+-epzfbrwg> <> Ah, the apostrophe, used to show possession or in contractions in the English language. This small, insignifigant looking mark of punctuation (or is it punctuation?) takes on a whole to set of responsibilities and meanings when used in a new, usually fictional language. (Since I'm not fluent in any languages but English and French--though I expect fluentis too strong a word for the latter--picking up bits here and there, I must warn readers now that this is English biased.) Ahem. There are many languages found in the world(s) of fantasy and science fiction literature which use this tool, such as Misty's, but since I can't find a handy sourcebook on Valdemar (I love sourcebooks, btw), I'll just have to use examples from other languages and postulate conclusions from there, k? In the Klingon language, the apostrophe indicates a sound which is frequently uttered, but not written, in English. It is a glottal stop, the slight catch in the throat between the two syllables of ~uh-oh~ or ~unh-unh~, meaning "no".When Klingon ' comes at the end of of a word, the vowel preceding the ' is often repeated in a very soft whisper, as if an echo. Pretty interesting, eh? This is from The Klingon Dictionary, which goes on to give examples, but I think you get the point. It makes sense to me, probably because I manage to put that glottal stop in Shin'a'in and Kal'ene'dral, though I admittedly miss other words. *blush* I don't know if Misty uses this, but it's the best suggestion I can personally think of. However, there's no reason to assume my ideas are best, so here's a few more examples. In the languages of the Fifth Millenium (as portrayed by S.M. Stirling and Shirley Meier), Kommanzanu uses apostrophes in a similar fashion, with a slight addition. It's a glottal stop combined with a "click" sound. Try clicking your tongue softly between the indicated syllables, such as shay'chern. It doesn't sound too bad, but it takes some practice to get the hang of it. I'm pretty sure I've heard somewhere of a language in which the vocal equivalent of the written apostrophe is a gutteral grunt. I think I'm probably just mis-remembering. The truth is that we don't really know what Misty has in mind for apostrophes. It's always seemed to me that the language of the Shin'a'in has elements from Japanese, and some Native American dialects, but I'm not really qualified to tell you. My bet is it's much like the Klingon usage of the apostrophe, but for all I know it could indicate the sound of a cat sneezing. *shrugs* It's fun to guess, though! Speed to your horse (or sheep, as the case may be)! Elsa Knight of Fluff One In Black OoUH Champion of Jonne, Moonbeam, and Iceshadow Member of the Order of Drifting Ashes caller of monsters and general kook "If quitters never win, and winners never quit, what fool came up with, "Quit while you're ahead"?" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 14:00:55 EDT From: Paustinnew-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: re: Apostrophes Message-ID: <4a3858bf.35bf6358-+AT+-aol.com> Correct -- the !Kung use it -- unlike any other known language. It's basically a clicking sound, like you'd cluck your tongue at someone. How on earth did we get on this topic? Pam, who goes by !Map ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 14:08:31 EDT From: Paustinnew-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Re: Apostrophes Message-ID: <9e619aa4.35bf6522-+AT+-aol.com> In a message dated 7/29/98, 1:29:33 PM, mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk writes: <> The correct spelling and pronounciation of Hawaii is "Hawai'i" and it's said "Huh-vah--ee. The Polynesian's often use the "w" as a "v" -- thus -- Ewa Beach is pronounced "Eh-vuh Beach" (Sorry for the pendantics -- I live in Hawaii). Pam, who goes by Map ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 14:30:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Kenneth Allen Hyde To: Misty Lackey List Subject: Re: re: Apostrophes Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Jul 1998 Paustinnew-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > Correct -- the !Kung use it -- unlike any other known language. It's basically > a clicking sound, like you'd cluck your tongue at someone. Actually, !Kung is one of several related languages which use clicks. The languages of the Khoisan family (!Kung and its relatives) have more than one click, in fact. The most common is a velar click, but there is also a coronal and a lateral click. In addition, Xhosa, Swahili, and a few other Bantu languages have clicks in them (the first sound in Xhosa is a velar click). As far as I know, though, the Khoisan and Bantu languages are the only human languages that use clicks as consonants, although many languages use them as interjectives. ObMisty: Misty states in one of her books, in the pronunciation guide for Shin'a'in, that the ' is a glottal stop. May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd Councilor of Mist Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me //www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/prof/ken.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 14:42:16 EDT From: Dancekbg-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Apostrophes Message-ID: <8c2bae5f.35bf6d09-+AT+-aol.com> In the back of Oathbreakers, there's a whole list of pronunciation af the Shin'a'in language. It explains the use of apostrophes too. I think it's some Indian or African dialects that use the stops today. Kalissa Winddancer ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 13:46:59 -0500 From: "Tim & Tiffanie" To: "Misty List" Subject: Bard's Tale and Other Misty Works Message-ID: <005d01bdbb21$44956c00$e8b6bfa8-+AT+-tiffanie> Korendil: >The *only* person I know of liking those books (Bard's Tale) would've been Jake...those >things...bleh. They're worse than the worst of TSR's drivel. I don't know >how Misty managed to make them that....*bad*. Well, add me to the list...I really liked the Bard's Tale books. They weren't set in FR, (Which I don't particularly like) and they had Good Dark Elves..Which I do like. (Go Drizzt!) ***************************** Shantaya Autumnleaf: >Some OBMisty: err, lessee. I am reading "The Bard's Tale" books at the moment. >Did anybody like them? They weren't that bad but I cannot "become friends" with >the characters. They are too flat for my liking. And the first book (Castle >of Deception) as well as its sequel (The Chaos Gate (it's by Ellen Guon >alone) had a lot of those elements I really hate, e.g. Well, first off, it seems that you read them out of order, that often takes the punch out of a story. As for becoming friends, I cried when the Light elf gave his life to save the rest and for the sorrow of Naitachal. The order is: Castle of Deception, Fortress of Frost and Fire, Prison of Souls and then The Chaos Gate >Fortress of Frost and Fire was a little better, Naitachal had more depth. What >do you think about those books? Is it worth reading Prison of Souls or is it >worse than the other three? Prison of Souls was just as good as the others to me, the fat fairy is hilarious and tragic. I also enjoyed watching Kevin grow up and come into his own power. And of course I love Naitachal for his perseverance. You also have to remember that these tales are based in the Bard's Tale universe, that means, places and races are predefined and it can put some strange restraints on an author. No, they are not Valdemar, but I thought that the way that Bard magic was portrayed was very well thought out and it seemed as though the techniques that were used in BT were the ancient versions of what is used in the Bardic Voices books, kinda like you let a few hundred years pass between. I know that they don't actually connect, but it seems that she honed her ideas in BT and used them in BV. ******************************** Thistle: >If you like the SERRAted edge c0-written by Holly Lisle, try "Minerva >Wakes" >Reading her with Misty turned me onto her own talent. Good point! I have been turned on to several other authors after having read their collaborations with Misty and most of them have turned out to be better than the stuff that they did in collaborations. Holly Lisle has several novels, of which I consider Minerva wakes to be her least enjoyable, but still good. Josepha Sherman has numerous other books, my favorites being "A Strange and Ancient Name" and the "Shattered Oath" series. Both great books about elves. Andre Norton is of course a wondrous writer. ****************************** Elsa: > I guess that's all I have to say...hmmm...I have to think of something >more ObMisty than what I have...alright, since we're on the topic of >anthologies, has anyone here read Lammas Night, including and inspired by >Misty's song by the same name? It's really interesting to see all the >different interpretations, and all inspired by the author we all love!! I have to say I was disappointed when I read the story that Misty wrote for the anthology, it ended the same way the song did...without an ending. There were however several stories that I found really good and several that I though didn't have anything to do with the book at all. Over all I liked it, two thumbs up. Hint, don't try to read them all the same day, you'll get burnout. *************************** Other songs that she has written that inspired me to read the book, was By the Sword, after hearing Kerowyn's Ride. (Uh, reverse that) I also want to get the Jirel of Joiry series, to find out more about her (by CL Moore). The "Tree of Swords and Jewels" is about Arafel's saga (another sad elf story). And I wish she would write a story about the "Elven Harper". "Mount Pan" is about the Wiccans tying to prevent the earthquake in "Summoned to Tourney". (It's performed by Leslie Fish, I'm not sure if it was written by Lackey or not) **************************** I liked Tylendel better than Steph. He had a wicked sense of humor and really loved people. **************************** Has anyone heard/have McKennit's new album with the "Highway Man" on it? Good Stuff!!!! ***************************** Well, happy day all, send wishes, prayers, good luck and good vibes to Carrach, as he takes his Bar today and tomorrow. (Privately or preferably just on the psychic waves so as not to clog the list) Dax the Eternal, Goddess of Elves and Unicorns, Evangelist of Low Humor, Knight of Fluff, Mistic Watcher of Continuity, Councilor of Mist. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 14:39:06 -0500 From: edrucker-+AT+-ruraltel.net (Ed Rucker) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: subscribe? Message-ID: <35BF7A5A.478BAE1F-+AT+-ruraltel.net> Help. I met another Misty fan and she wants to subscribe to the list. I gave her this address : http://www.herald.co.uk/local_info/lackey_faq/lackey_faq.1.html#subscribe and she keeps getting her mail returned, invalid address. Anyone know what the right address is? Minstrel Clarienne Lady in Green ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 02:11:07 -0700 From: folkie-+AT+-usa.net To: Lackey List Subject: Unsubbing? Message-ID: <35C038AB.10BC-+AT+-usa.net> Well, I'm afraid the time has come for me to unsubscribe. I'll be on vacation for two weeks, and I'm trying to cut down on the email buildup. Could someone please refresh my memory -- *how* do I unsubscribe? <:) Thanks in advance, Kelle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 22:29:27 +0100 (BST) From: troll-+AT+-netcomuk.co.uk To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: subscribe? Message-ID: <1998729223259441-+AT+-netcomuk.co.uk> On 07/29/98 21:25:57 Minstrel Clarienne wrote: > >I met another Misty fan and she wants to subscribe to the list. >I gave her this address : > >http://www.herald.co.uk/local_info/lackey_faq/lackey_faq.1.html#subscribe > Um, that's a web address, not an email address. Try listproc-+AT+-herald.co.uk, with a blank subject and a message body of SUBSCRIBE MERCEDES-LACKEY . That should work. Trollhugs and chocolate sheep to all, Muranog Shadowbane Troll Adept Knight of Fluff OIB Member of the Mistic Circle and his bondmate Sable, the giant black war sheep(also OIB) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 14:29:15 PDT From: "Raven Darkblade" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Sherman/McKennitt/Umm... Message-ID: <19980729212915.27937.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> <> I haven't read "A Strange and Ancient Name," but "The Shattered Oath" and its sequel, the title of which escapes me at the moment, are both wonderful books. <> Definitely! Loreena McKennitt has a talent for setting classic poetry to music--as well as The Highwayman, she's done The Lady of Shallot and, I believe, The Two Trees or something to that effect. Another good song on The Book of Secrets is Dante's Prayer... <> Since I'm replying publicly to this email anyhow--good luck, Carrach! ObMisty--oops! I can't for the life of me think of one... *cringecrawl* It'll come to me while I'm at the barn, I'm sure... Zha'hai'allav'a, Raven Darkblade, Holy Hand of the Goddess of Elves, Card-Carrying Bitch, Renegade Sarcastic Person, Member of the Mistic Circle, Knight and Founding Member of the Order of Unsung Heroes, Advocator of Eldan and Champion of Kethra and Hyllarr; and Mor the raven, her familiar. abbykat-+AT+-hotmail.com http://www.angelfire.com/ky/Ashke/ http://dragonlance.justbecause.org/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 17:40:32 EDT From: DGeorge994-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Unsubbing? Message-ID: << Well, I'm afraid the time has come for me to unsubscribe. I'll be on vacation for two weeks, and I'm trying to cut down on the email buildup. Could someone please refresh my memory -- *how* do I unsubscribe? <:) >> I'd like to know too -- I keep trying but it doesn't work. Thanks. Donna ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 18:02:23 EDT From: LLL5ski-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Unsubbing? Message-ID: Should you ever wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to listproc-+AT+-herald.co.uk with a blank Subject: and message body unsubscribe mercedes-lackey ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 18:33:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Kenneth Allen Hyde To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Sherman/McKennitt/Umm... Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Jul 1998, Raven Darkblade wrote: > Definitely! Loreena McKennitt has a talent for setting classic poetry to > music--as well as The Highwayman, she's done The Lady of Shallot and, I > believe, The Two Trees or something to that effect. She also has "Prospero's Dream" (based on one of his soliloquies in the play "The Tempest" by Shakespeare), "Lullaby" (based on a poem by Yeats (?)), "Stolen Child" (also by Yeats), "The Dark Night of the Soul" (based on the poem by San Juan de la Cruz). > Since I'm replying publicly to this email anyhow--good luck, Carrach! Let me add my good luck wishes also. Break a leg, Carrach! ObMisty: if you said "break a leg" to Kerowyn, who's leg do you think she would break? =) May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd Councilor of Mist Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me //www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/prof/ken.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 19:45:58 -0300 From: "Nelson Greenslade" To: "Misty" Subject: Re: Bard's Tale and other Misty works Message-ID: <01bdbb42$a704fec0$LocalHost-+AT+-epzfbrwg> My fingers are going to bruise from all this typing.... <> Never heard of 'em. <> Though certain other Misty fans enjoy it. *coughs into hand and gestures at where her T-shirt says "I LOVE DANILO" in large green letters, right under the FR logo* <> I just like elves in general. As I've only "met" Drizzt in passing, I have no real opinion other than he seems like a nice guy, but what's the deal with those Drow? A subterranean race of evil elves, who occasionally produce a good egg, who is then duly reviled by all of his kind for going against tradition and by all those who view the Drow as evil, which they generally are. Hmm...why is this sounding familiar? (No, I'm not being sarcastic) <> I myself was turned onto Misty by reading a collaboration between her and Anne McCaffrey. I can never figure out how two people can write a single story, but then I realised that my best friend and I have been doing it for years...though whether they were any good is another matter....you should read our Star Trek Christmas Carol... <> To my understanding it was just a prose interpretation of the song, so those who didn't get it in lyrics might better understand it. <> Ack! I know! I get a headache just thinking about it. I think I read it over a year or so, a little at a time. I'm pretty sure there are some stories I never finished. <> Er...didn't Stef have all of those qualities as well? Hrmmm. What else did they have in common? Aside from Vanyel. Lessee, both got into fights because of their, erm, sexual orientation among other things, both were friends with a relative of Van's whom he at some time becomes very close to, and both were friends with said relative ~before~ meeting Van...Both were the suicidal type... <> Argh! No, I've only heard two of her earlier releases and I'm currently too broke to even ~think~ about going to the music store without feeling a queasy feeling and the strange flatness of my wallet. <> *hopes it's not too late, but a headache prevented psychic transmission for most of the day* Ohmn......Ohmn...... <> I've heard two versions of The Lady Of Shallot as sung my Ms. McKennitt, and I've probably danced around my aunt's living room to both of them. She really is great. I wonder if Misty ever listens to her..? I've been trying to read "When the Bough Breaks" for about a week now, but I just can't get into it. I'll pick it up and a read a few pages, then get distracted, and then forget whatever I read and have to read it again... Did anyone else have this problem? Should I maybe try to track down the other books (when I eventually get paid?)? Elsa Knight of Fluff and One In Black (two noble organisations) OoUH Champion of Jonne, Moonbeam, and Iceshadow (three wonderful guys) Member of the Order of Drifting Ashes (who luckily don't have to pay for her singed eyebrows) and caller of monsters who thinks it's unfair to not lat anyone have any of that delicious, mouth-watering cheesecake in the fridge until company comes, when company is a day late! What if the other food eats it? (that frosty 2 y-o jar of preserves at the back looks pretty fierce...) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 22:56:47 -0400 From: David Yost To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: can't remember the title books & lammas Message-ID: <35BFE0EF.356C-+AT+-concentric.net> Elsa wrote: > < Elves..Which I do like. (Go Drizzt!)>> > I just like elves in general. As I've only "met" Drizzt in passing, I have no real opinion other than he seems like a nice guy, > Well, the only Drizzt book I've read was pretty good. It was called... um... uh... It'll come to me. Any way, I have the feeling that it was at the end of a triogy; the _very_ general plot line was Drizzt and Caitibree? go into the Drow city to save or stop something. Its been awhile. Does anyone have any idea what book I'm talking about, and if so, shoulg I read any more books about Drizzt, like the ones that came before the one I read (mabey shadow something??)? While I'm on the story of books whose title I don't remember, there was this one Tarma & Kethry short story that I read in a bookstore that I haven't seen scince. It was in one of the older Sword&Sorccery books (the cover had a lady carring a scyth) and was co-written with someone else(yeah, I know, I'm _very_ bad with names). The really cool thing about this particular T&K story was that they got to do alittle bit of world hopping, and, in fact, had a run-in with a dragon! What he/she would do if they were in ______'s world are a lot of fun to play with in one's head are alot of fun to play with in one's head, but that was the first and only time I've scean some thing like that actually writtan by a pare of authors. So has any one esle read this story or is my memory just playing tricks on me? > < burnout.>> Been there, done that, and made about it 3/4 of the way through the book befor I couldn't take it any more. ~Shade I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 21:39:08 PDT From: "Raven Castro" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: apostrophes and hellos Message-ID: <19980730043941.25823.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Heyla! Minstrel Clarienne said: The halls have been pretty quiet of late. I imagine that many of us have gone on much deserved vacations. I envy you. While many of us go on vacations, I have to stay here and study my time off in school. Sheesh!! :puts on a wry smile Wintershard said: I believe that in Misty's books, the apostrophes are to represent gluttural (sp?) stops in the name. And, since I can't spell it, I can't make one either *g*. I can't recall exactly which societies in the world use these, but I do know that there are some. Can anyone give some help? Since I am Asian, I can cite some Asian languages that uses the apostrophes. For one, the Chinese languages use apostrophies in many of their words. For instance the martial arts tai'chi'chuan (have you heard of it?) and the word chi' which means life force. I think that the neighboring countries' languages in mainland South-Southeast Asia like Vietnamese, Taiwanese, Cambodian, Laos, also use appostrophies. The archipelagic countries seldom do, like my own. I hope this helps. :Several small floating crystal sheep suddenly appear slightly above Raven's hands. One floats slowly towards Tony, one to Shade, one to Savil, and one to Ayngel. Immediately after settling on their hands the sheep turned into their favorite colors. "Those are for deco, I hope you like them," she whispers in a light musical voice. "And welcome!" She floats away while still looking at the speechless newbies, and belatedly sees the door of the Hall -- splat! Carla: thanks for the info. Zhai'helleva, listsibs! Raven Guardian of the Floating Citadel ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 22:49:27 -0700 From: Adrienne To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: How did Kethry get Need? Message-ID: <199807300547.GAA17064-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> I just recently came across _Oathblood_. I've been trying to collect all the T&K stories together to read since I started reading Misty. This book is a dream come true :) I'm only about half-way through, but I don't think there is a story about it. I was wondering, How did Keth get Need? I know it is mentioned somewhere, but I don't have my books with me. That's one story I would love to hear. Adrienne ******************** Priestess of OOPS Watcher of the Mistic Circle: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6543/ Owner of the Mickey Zucker Reichert Page: http://www.concentric.net/~ryansr/realm/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 00:23:33 -0600 From: Noelle Meade To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: can't remember the title books & lammas Message-ID: <199807300624.BAA26073-+AT+-dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com> At 04:34 AM 7/30/98 +0100, you wrote: >Elsa wrote: >> <> Elves..Which I do like. (Go Drizzt!)>> >> I just like elves in general. As I've only "met" Drizzt in passing, I have no real opinion other than he seems like a nice guy, > > >Well, the only Drizzt book I've read was pretty good. It was called... >um... uh... It'll come to me. I believe that book was The Legacy. Siege of Darkness and Passage to Dawn follow Legacy. Yes, I would recommend reading the other Drizzt books. The Crystal Shard, Streams of Silver, The Halfling's Gem, Homeland, Exile and Sojurn. Noelle ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1668 **********************************