MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1678 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) re: suffering by "Lady Sunhawk" 2) just a few comments by Banfilidh-+AT+-aol.com 3) Re: just a few comments by "Rhiannon Shadowsong" 4) Re: music/who we identify with by AprilS81-+AT+-aol.com 5) Re: Gryphon Series by AprilS81-+AT+-aol.com 6) magic/technology/fluff by "Nelson Greenslade" 7) magick on earth and other fluff -n- stuff by kalistia-+AT+-juno.com (kalistia firemyst) 8) Re: magic/technology/fluff by "Rhiannon Shadowsong" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 06:18:14 PDT From: "Lady Sunhawk" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: re: suffering Message-ID: <19980808131815.8452.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> but I vaguely recalled her talking about how she had seen other families. Servant or slave (same thing to Falconsbane) families I think. Maybe I'm just confused. Rhiannon Shadowsong You know, I think you're right... unfortunately, I can't haul out my books, because I haven't had time to unpack them :P So I'm probably as absentminded as you about this, but I think that you're right...Winterstar K'sheyna Well, its not precisely exact textevd, but i looked in WOF and found the worlds most obvious detail that disproves my theory :> I think I've been working too hard if I forgot that Nyara hates her father with a passion! That kind of insinuates that she knew what he was doing to her was wrong, and that she was aware that it was abuse. Anybody find anything more detailed? Peace, Sunhawk ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 11:16:04 EDT From: Banfilidh-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: just a few comments Message-ID: <486a9e0d.35cc6bb6-+AT+-aol.com> :a young women steps out fo the shadows of lurkdom her black floor length dress swishing slihgtly to revil her bare feet . As she moves into the light the hawk hatchling pirched on her shoulders blinks its black eyes at the brightness and moves to hide behind her long blonde hair ,continueing its nap : Ill be quick if I can. I just got a new Mckennit Cd I had The Vist and loved the song the Lady of schlott but The one I just got Parallel Dreams is more upbeat and is very good its one of her older ones but i would definately recomend it to anyone. On the Vanyel Talia thread .....I feel like they do suffer more but I wonder if its because you feel closer to them because the books that they appear in are mostly about them where in the knewer books Misty seems to try to cover the story from everyones view like in the Winds trilogy theres Elspeth Darkwind Nara(sp) skif ect ....It just seems that there are more main charctors in the knewer books then the older ones and thats why it seems you get closer to the charctors that have whole books pretty much to themselves. I hope that made sense . :the women heads back to Lurkdom shaking her head knowing she made absolutely no sense and that she just confused herself too .: banfilidh K'moore reciently named K'dorben Moore by the honored songwynde k'revill ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 16:12:43 PDT From: "Rhiannon Shadowsong" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: just a few comments Message-ID: <19980808231247.29625.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> > On the Vanyel Talia thread .....I feel like they do suffer more >but I wonder if its because you feel closer to them because the books that >they appear in are mostly about them where in the knewer books Misty seems to >try to cover the story from everyones view like in the Winds trilogy theres >Elspeth Darkwind Nara(sp) skif ect ....It just seems that there are more main >charctors in the knewer books then the older ones and thats why it seems you >get closer to the charctors that have whole books pretty much to themselves. I >hope that made sense . > :the women heads back to Lurkdom shaking her head knowing she >made absolutely no sense and that she just confused herself too .: > >banfilidh K'moore >reciently named K'dorben Moore by the honored songwynde k'revill > Hey, you made perfect sense to me (mostly because I have been trying to articulate that meself). You've explained a little bettter than I have, even in my own mind. Don't be confused uless you want to be! Rhiannon Shadowsong ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 21:48:04 EDT From: AprilS81-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: music/who we identify with Message-ID: <1ab62663.35ccffd5-+AT+-aol.com> In a message dated 98-08-03 01:36:48 EDT, you write: << oh, and i was wodering, what misty character do you most relate to? i was arguing with myself on the subject, and i thought i'd ask you guys... >> I think I am going to have to jump on with those identifying with Van, but for different reasons. I can relate very much with the feeling of being misunderstood and alienated from ones parents because of sexual preference. I read the book as often as I talk with my best friend on the subject. Sorry my answer is a little late. I just escaped from two weeks of environmental studies in the Adirondacks. April ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 21:58:18 EDT From: AprilS81-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Gryphon Series Message-ID: <6c3dbe3e.35cd023c-+AT+-aol.com> In a message dated 98-08-05 12:52:11 EDT, you write: << I think one reason I was not so happy with the Mage Wars series is that they skipped so much. At the same time these books were being released, the Mage Storm trilogy was also being released. It would have been nice if she had started the 2nd book where the first one left off and maybe spent some time with how they survived the original storms and how the journey to White Gryphon was. Also, I had not seen such a total skip in perspective as is in between White Gryphon and Silver Gryphon. It is not just the skip in time, but the jump in characters. >> I really enjoyed Black Gryphon, White Gryphon was pretty good, but I never really bot hooked into Silver Gryph. I agree that the character shift was a bit awkward; I tend to latch onto characters, Skan being one, and loosing interest as that character melts into the background. Not a good habit, I am afraid. I don't think the time space between Black and White was too bad. I think adding what happened with the storms and the actual travel would have been a bit much. The way Black ended was memorable and appropriate. That bit of their lives was over (as illustrated with the destruction of Urtho's tower.) Did anyone else enjoy Urtho's character? Iloved him! In Black Gryph, at the ending when Amberdrake wonders who heals the healer, and he is answered his friends...so amazing. April "No other path, No other way, No day but today." -Rent- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 22:12:46 -0300 From: "Nelson Greenslade" To: "Misty" Subject: magic/technology/fluff Message-ID: <01bdc332$d14541c0$LocalHost-+AT+-epzfbrwg> <> I believe in magic, too. I guess some people might say that's because I'm young, or naive, or I was suspending my disbelief reading a fantasy book and it got stuck ^_~, but I really do believe. There are so many things that can't be explained. I'm not talking UFO sitings or hidden worlds (though I'm not saying they're not real), but just the world immediately around you. Have you ever known exactly what someone was thinking, or felt total clarity, just for an instant? Have you ever touched someone's hand and had a moment of silent communication? I know many people could explain these things away if they wanted too, and I guess I am too, saying they're magic. But I've experianced too many little instances of suddenly empathising completely with another person, or the numerous times my life has been unexpectadly spared against all reason, not to believe. Medical science told my mother she couldn't have kids, yet here I am. Every moment of our lives are magic, a precious gift. As for mermaids, elves, dragons...I believe in them too. I believe in powers of the mind (though when ~I~ tried telepathy, all I got for it was a numb rear-end! ^_^). Wow. Sorry for the huge OTness of that, but it's something I feel strongly about. I even wrote a poem! ^o^ To tie this in (sorta) with ObMisty, I must admit that part of the reason I like Misty's style of writing is that she explains the magic of her stories so beautifully, and so very believably. Everything works out, so they're hardly anything to nit-pick about. ^_^;;; and I do so love arguing about how someone could do such-and-such if ~this~ rule was in effect, because of what ~that~ standard implies...*sigh* I don't do that with Misty's stuff!(as much) Which is good, because now I can focus on the characters, the plot, the emotions....^_~ My 2 cents about the advance of technology in Velgarth... I don't want it to happen, or at least as slowly as possible. It causes so many problems! What would happen to the magic? Why use it if you can just have a machine do it for you? What about pollution? Look at the problems it caused in our world! Sure, there are advances in sanitation and stuff that I'd like to see (preventing plagues and wide-spread disease is a ~good~ thing), but in the wrong hands (or should that be mind?) it could be so dangerous. Guns, for instance. They already kill from a distance with bows, crossbows, throwing knives, and magic spells, but guns...they just make killing a whole lot easier. Too many children have died accidentally from playing with they're fathers' guns, too many arguments that could have been settled by talking have been cut off with a bang and a scream as a heart stops beating, too many people have reverted to thinking of others as only targets... I couldn't wish that on a world innocent to the workings of a gun. When the first pistol is fired in Velgarth I will cry harder than I did for Vanyel's death, because so many more will die. *steps off soapbox* Umm, sorry, guess I had a little more to spend on that subject than I thought! Eheheh..^_^;;; ~~~~~~~FLUFF ALERT~~~~~~~~~ In black Nikes, black jeans and a black T-shirt with "Misty-fied" scrawled across it in metallic pink and blue, Elsa sits in the OiB encampment, munching Sugar Wafers at hyper-speed and scribbling in a notebook with her Fluff Pen. She looks up and waves to everyone. "Hi! I have no idea if there are any newbies I should be greeting *blushes guiltily* so I'd like to extend blanket apologies for my neglect. I'm trying to write *holds up pen* a semi-yaoi fanfic about a series I'm fond of..." Goes back to scribbling. (yaoi= n. a male/male story or relationship; term used by fanfic writers to indicate such) Elsa sighs. "Too bad I a Misty-related one...but I ~can~ have someone reading her books! Yeah!" Scribbling in ernest. A small red demon materialises next to her in a puff of smoke and brimstone. It whispers something in her ear. She bounces to her feet and whoops, tossing her baseball cap in the air. "Woohoo!!! Shinagami LIVES!!!!" She punches the air triumphantly before disappearing with the demon in a sulferous **BAMF!** ~~~~~~END FLUFF~~~~~~ Elsa One in Black OoUH Champion of Jonne, Moonbeam, and Iceshadow Member of the Order of Drifting Ashes Knight of the True Fiancee, Wielder of the Frying Pan of Doom(tm) and the Whacking Flute of True Justice (tm) Knight of Fluff, Keeper of the Fluff Pen Slayer of poly-post demons, cyber-imps and computer gremlins, wielder of the Big Stick Of Painful Demise(tm) Tamer of The Scanner Caller of Monsters "Do not disturb any further." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 22:35:56 EDT From: kalistia-+AT+-juno.com (kalistia firemyst) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: magick on earth and other fluff -n- stuff Message-ID: <19980808.195326.8143.1.kalistia-+AT+-juno.com> i know there's magick here...i can feel it...and i've (i think) used it before...i _do_ think that ppl have gifts...like empathy and such...i can 'see', at least the way kris describes it in afall...but my theory is that is died with some era...because why are there so many stories and myths and stuff about it...just like faeries and dragons and what not (i personally believe in all of the above)... listening to the thread about the books has made me think that the difference is that there's more focus on van and talia in those books and that's why we feel and suffer for/with them...if the other book focus on many characters equally, there is't that tie...or bond between you and the reader...and without that bond there might not be that sense of being there...and you won't like the book as much...but if you identify with one of those characters, then you tend to like the book better and anticipate the parts of the book with that character...you see the suffering of the character because you're trying to, and you _want_ to be closer to them...don't get me wrong, i'm not trying to say that's bad or wrong or anything...it's just your way of becoming one with the book...i did that in the t&k books when the story split... ::jumping for joy and singing in jubilation:: i just got the lhm books today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! those were the first i read, and i haven't been able to find them until now...everyone in the store looked at me weird as i did my happy dance...but they didn't have vows and honor :( oh, well, all in due time... and for more fluff: does _anyone_ know the copyright date for the black caldron? i'm too lazy to look at the video credits and it's not on the tape or case... john e. morris and lady sunhawk, and who ever else: i'll soon read the books, and i'll _try to give you guys a fair comparison...but even sooner i can give you a friends reaction, k? oh, one more thing...i've noticed that in every misty book i've read (which isn't a very large list) there's been a reference to sheep, the only reason i've noticed is the sheep thing here..._is_ there a sheep reference in every book? crunchie and munchie sheep shapes to all... zha'hai'allav'a kalistia firemyst \~*~/~*~\~*~/~*~\~*~/~*~\~*~/ 99% of the population of the world is crazy....the rest are in risk of contamination.... \~*~/~*~\~*~/~*~\~*~/~*~\~*~/ _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 23:24:32 PDT From: "Rhiannon Shadowsong" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: magic/technology/fluff Message-ID: <19980809062433.19321.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> > I believe in magic, too. I guess some people might say that's because I'm >young, or naive, or I was suspending my disbelief reading a fantasy book and >it got stuck ^_~, but I really do believe. There are so many things that >can't be explained > As for mermaids, elves, dragons...I believe in them too. I believe in >powers of the mind (though when ~I~ tried telepathy, all I got for it was a >numb rear-end! ^_^). I'm with you, kindred spirit! I feel exactly the same way, but I am less vocal. Life in da ghetto doesn't lend itself to tolerance. Hence my usual, "yes, I'm delusional" sigh speech. I hope all of you out there still believe, because that is on of the only refuges for people in the modern world. Faery glades are the only place to hide from the noise and bustle. Remember that when you are strained, and return to the fantasy bookshelf and immerse yourself! And take the advice to heart, from one who has many problems of her own and a larger fantasy collection than the local bookstores and library. Except the one on 23rd. But that one has a lor of Sci-Fi. Nevermind. >Sure, there are advances in sanitation and stuff that I'd like to see >(preventing plagues and wide-spread disease is a ~good~ thing), but in the >wrong hands (or should that be mind?) it could be so dangerous. > Guns, for instance. They already kill from a distance with bows, >crossbows, throwing knives, and magic spells, but guns...they just make >killing a whole lot easier. I'm with you on that too. I once had to do a debate on the anti-gun control side. Its hard to debate when you don't believe in the cause. But we won anyway ::smirk:: I can help it. I'm a natural born sore loser, so I make a point to win. And I do think its a valid point. And think about this: if warfare was reduced to guns firing away over a battlefeidl, what use arrows> And Herald's NEED arrows..... There isn't a possible way to have a decent code etched into a bullet. hee. That would be interesting. And as for your fluff.....you have demons, I have dreams in which my characters appear to me... ::shudder:: Ah the life of an artist. ::shudders again:: Wind to thy wings, and may you never lose faith, Rhiannon Shadowsong ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1678 **********************************