MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1729 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: stef/rolan/victor wren by "Tea'la S." 2) Re: royalty, and a question. + other by "Kristjan Wager" 3) MIST: the trondi'ir issue by "Eleonora Scoseria" 4) Re: Braid by "Darcy Backes" 5) Re: MIST: the trondi'ir issue by "Darcy Backes" 6) Stef/Lendel, Lifebonds by Rainbow 7) Re: Stef/Lendel, Lifebonds by "Kethryvis" 8) lifebonds, thanks by Lynne Walker 9) Re: Stef/Lendel, Lifebonds by "Lady Sunhawk" 10) Re: Jinx High & Fluff & Stuff. Big Catch up post! by "Reginabean" 11) Re: Jinx High & Fluff & Stuff. Big Catch up post! by "Reginabean" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 03:42:41 PDT From: "Tea'la S." To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: stef/rolan/victor wren Message-ID: <19980921104242.18225.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> On the reincarnation thingy...I seem to remember what was said about not remembering the previous life as correct. That would explain a lot. The reincarnated (sp?) one would have a sense of deja vue like. Faces, places and things would seem familiar to them. I wonder if Van ever gave Stef something of 'lendel's if that would have "jarred" a memory loose or something. Interesting thought if I do say so myself. **********************************************************************Knight of the Order of Colors Leader of Knights of White Life-chosen of Chata the Flabby Tabby & Bongo the Blondcat (I swear I can explain...just ask) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 04:27:24 PDT From: "Kristjan Wager" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: royalty, and a question. + other Message-ID: <19980921112725.6939.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Hi listsibs. Keth wrote: >We were talking earlier about why Prince Daren was/wasn't co-consort with Queen Selenay and I compared it to the Queen Elizabeth/Prince Phillip thing and someone said that Phillip wasn't a Prince in his own right....well he is. :) I did some research and Phillip *is* a Prince of Greece and the reason why he's not King-Consort and the countries of England and Greece didn't join together like in the good-ol'-days is *because* Greece threw out their royal family. So whoever disagreed with me was right and I was right.< Well, since it was me who wrote that, I've better "defend" myself. I were maybe a bit hasty in claiming that Prince Phillip wasn't a prince before his marriage, but he wasn't a King or a heir to the throne, so there was no way his marriage with Queen Elizabeth could join the two countries anyway. King Konstantin would probably complain about it, if it did. This doesn't really change the point, if a non-monach marriages a monarch, he or she has to renounce any connection to his old country. This is the reason that Prince Phillip became an Mountbatten, and changed his name from Phillipos to Phillip. The same happened in Denmark with Prince Henrik, who had to give up his title in France, and changed his name form Henri to Henrik. >ANYWAYS....I talked to my mom about this whole thing. I figure Daren didn't take the title of King Consort when he and Selenay married was two fold: 1) They already had a major problem with the LAST prince of Rethwellan that married into the Valdemarian Royal Family..who wanted to be King but couldn't 'cause he couldn't get Chosen...so Darn decided that it might be good PR not to take the title of King. or 2) He decided to stay as Prince so they could call in better favors from Rethwellan. If he became King-Consort Daran of Valdemar, he couldn't call in favors as easily as Prince Daran of Rethwellan could. :)< Well, it could be, but... see above, and anyway, would there be any trouble with him as a King Consort when he is chosen? LadyKitsune wrote: >Lucky! At my school we can just *barely* do any roleplaying at all, and last year the teachers started telling us not to whenever we got to a fight scene ('cause of the Thurston thing). Silly. Despite what I say, I'm not *really* planning on chopping my friends' heads off.< Eh, what is "the Thurston thing" exactly. remember not all of us read American (?) newspapers, so.. Keth also wrote: >'kay. So. Stef was 'Lendel re-incarnated more or less. Right? SO. If 'Lendel's spirit is residing in Stef's body...how did Van talk to 'Lendel's spirit in the Spirit World after he and Stef realized they were bonded? And did Van and Stef ever figure that out? And why didn't 'Lendel *say* anything about it?< It happened while they both were asleep, allowing their spirits to roam, and if IRCC Stefan actually said some of the words while he was asleep, and Vanyel just woke. And now to something completely different: I have just bought ( and read ) Owlflight, and I really enjoyed it. While reading it I noticed the answer of our "being-able-to-lie-mind-to-mind discussion". Textedv. ( NOT a spoiler ): Owlflight p.190: :It is a great advantage to speak this way, little brother,: The dyheli stag said to him :It requires no translators, and it is very difficult to lie or be lied to. It tends to make all things level, as it were.: Notice the stag says difficult, not impossible, so it would have been possible for Warrl to lie to Kero and Gwena to Elspeth. The question still is: did they lie?, but now we know it is possible. Sheep flavored danish to everyone. Absalon Member of OLW and OOUH ( champion of Lissa ) Champion of LIG "Your sheep, that were wont to be so meek and tame and so small eaters, now, as I hear say, be become so great devoures, and so wild, that they eat up and swallow down the very men themselves." Utopia by Sir. Thomas More ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:01:20 -0300 From: "Eleonora Scoseria" To: Subject: MIST: the trondi'ir issue Message-ID: <01bde55f$ed910540$ad7303cf-+AT+-equipo1> A listsib wrote: ><don't you think.>> ><the closest I would be would be a Kestra'chern (sp?) though a pale one >at that. Guess I should start practicing my magicks to assume a more >appropriate form, eh?? >> And I am replying to this on list as opposed to privately since it is a copyright issue and we (the Council) deal with those on list. Weeeelll, sorry to dash your hopes, but unless you have a release from Queen's Own, you cannot be a trondi'ir or a kestra'chern, or a Herald or a Tayledras or a.... Unfair tho it might seem, it falls under copyright infringement and that is something we all strive to keep from the list, as several listsibs have shown to be the case. The whole explanation can be of course, found on the NewbieFest, that awesome piece of informative material that several of us have put together, and where a lot of in jokes including the sheep thing are explained =) It can be found on the site of the Mage of Green Silences at: http://www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/pers/misty/newbiefest.html and it has been recently updated =) WTTW, Ele Councilor of Mist ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:00:52 PDT From: "Darcy Backes" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Braid Message-ID: <19980921180053.29013.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Heyla to those who have computer desks piled with stuffed sheep, candy flavored sheep, sheep flavored candy, and maybe even Arrows' Fall in there somewhere. (re Karsites appearance) >I'm judging this by the general 'feel' of the nationality, and by >Alberich, who has a harsh, hawklike face. I could be wrong, but... >(Wait. There was a blonde priestess in BTS, and I think a redhead. And >I'll bet Solaris is blonde. Well...) > Maybe Misty dear didn't have a clear picture in _her_ mind, so that's why it's vague and possibly contradictory. And although Larry Dixon's pics are black and white, the one of Solaris sure makes her look blond. Come to think of it, she's on the cover of Storm-Something-Or-Other, blond. Maybe the women are blonde, and the men are dark? Tee hee. ><don't you think.>> ><the closest I would be would be a Kestra'chern (sp?) though a pale one >at that. Guess I should start practicing my magicks to assume a more >appropriate form, eh?? >> Fluff attack! Not being allowed to write fanfic on this subject, I shall have to restrain myself, and limit it to one concept (I have this slight tendency to create characters that have descriptions like Siren/Werewolf/Immortal/Mage and Powerful Wizard/Hawkbrother/Shin'a'in by birth/carrying about some dead guy's memories. (gee, that one sounds like Andesha. Hmm. Creative juices, I demand that thou goeth to work!) Poof! Somebody get me a mirror. Thanks, Firesong. Oh! I look like a ... stablegirl?! Wah! I don't even like to ride horses. I guess I'll be taking care of m'lady's mounts and the occasional Companion. At least they're good company. don't make a mess at all .... (re Bedlam's Bard) >--the thing is, you can use the coolest >concepts in the world and still write it badly, or (in this case) have >an entire set of characters who just don't inspire sympathy. I couldn't >work up concern for Eric at all, especially after he started hanging out >with Ria. Sure, there were some good moments, like Eric identifying the >note that knocked him flat as A major, and his offhand thought about >talking white horses and ancient Aztec gods in Texas, and Misty's cameo, >but all the cool details aren't enough to make me like the book. All I can say to that is learn to skip over the boring parts. If that means the whole book, well, ... humph. Yeah, the whole Ria part was kinda hard to watch. Kind of like reading the part where 'Lendel (sniffle) dies. 'Course the part right after that is where we meet one of my favorite charcters ... Yfandes! The part (back to Bedlam) where Eric is talking about the fantasy books he read recently (about talking white horses and ancient Aztec gods) made the whole book worthwhile. How many authors can make fun of their own work like that? Speaking of which, how much of Bedlam was Misty and how much Ellen Guon? Until the next Magestorm Obsidian Rogue ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:18:38 PDT From: "Darcy Backes" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: MIST: the trondi'ir issue Message-ID: <19980921181838.25217.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> I'm sorry I'm not braiding more than one message at a time, but either my system makes it very difficult, or I'm just really dense. This from Ele, lovely Councilor of Mist >Weeeelll, sorry to dash your hopes, but unless you have a release from >Queen's Own, you cannot be a trondi'ir or a kestra'chern, or a Herald or a >Tayledras or a.... >Unfair tho it might seem, it falls under copyright infringement and that is >something we all strive to keep from the list, as several listsibs have >shown to be the case. Um. Grumble, grumble. Can I be a Valdemaran stable-girl? Failing that, I shall have to be a generic stable-girl, who just happens to reside (and work like a dog) in a place that suspiciously (but not too suspiciously) resembles a place that just might have been called Valdemar at one time or another. (trying to work within the system, and probably failing miserably) Obsidian Rogue, stable-girl of a place resembling (but not actually) Valdemar ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 21:29:19 +0100 From: Rainbow To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Stef/Lendel, Lifebonds Message-ID: In message <19980921104242.18225.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com>, Tea'la S. writes >On the reincarnation thingy...I seem to remember what was said about not >remembering the previous life as correct. That would explain a lot. The >reincarnated (sp?) one would have a sense of deja vue like. >Faces, places and things would seem familiar to them. I wonder if Van >ever gave Stef something of 'lendel's if that would have "jarred" a >memory loose or something. Interesting thought if I do say so myself. > Hi! My take on the 'Lendel talking to Van is that while Van was asleep, 'Lendel /needed/ to speak to him, or the HM would be eaten up with guilt. Dream-time, IMO, is where it's on another 'plane' of reality, a dream, and not a dream... I suspect a /bit/ of divine influence helped 'Lendel, and once he had spoken to Van he went back 'into' Stefen... Making Stefen mutter '...love you" as he drifted back into sleep. The /only/ reason 'Lendel /could/ speak to Van is because the god/desses knew that in order to save Valdemar, the HM needed to be 'whole'... Oh yes... whats the take with lifebonds? Are they 'preordained' or do you lifebond to someone you have strong emotions for, whether love or hate... Or does your heart /know/ that you belong, even if your head doesn't and forge the link? Like the Companions and Choosing... Like Vanyel re-lifebonded... Maybe the reason most people don't lifebond more than once is that a)The god/dess isn't interested in them enough to interfere, and b)They're so torn up over their lifebond that they /can't/... That'd explain Sherril/Ylsa/Keren's 3 way bond... Sorry if this is unreadable, it's 9.30pm... and I'm /tired/! *g* http://www.leightons.demon.co.uk/index.htm 'If you want the Rainbow, _.-~-._ 'I ain't flawed, I'm just a you gotta put up with _.~ _ ~~~ _ ~._ diamond cut in a unique way.' the rain.' ,~ _ ~ -~- ~ _ ~, / /~ /~ RAINBOW ~\ ~\ \ ~Dolly Parton | | | |/-~-\| | | | ~ Tristan 'I don't take offence... I take revenge!' ~ M'lady (Wishbone) telnet://ewtoo.org:2345 (Valdemar (not necesserily Mercedes Lackey), my favourite talker!) ZHAI'HELLEVA! (and I know my sig is getting too long!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:52:27 -0700 From: "Kethryvis" To: Subject: Re: Stef/Lendel, Lifebonds Message-ID: <19980921210245355.AAA70-+AT+-Shipping-1.it.inreach.com> From: Rainbow Subject: Stef/Lendel, Lifebonds Date: Monday, September 21, 1998 1:47 PM >Oh yes... whats the take with lifebonds? Are they 'preordained' or do >you lifebond to someone you have strong emotions for, whether love or >hate... Or does your heart /know/ that you belong, even if your head >doesn't and forge the link? Like the Companions and Choosing... >Like Vanyel re-lifebonded... Maybe the reason most people don't lifebond >more than once is that a)The god/dess isn't interested in them enough to >interfere, and b)They're so torn up over their lifebond that they >/can't/... That'd explain Sherril/Ylsa/Keren's 3 way bond... Did Sherril and Keren lifebond? Or did they just get together? Hm. I think your heart just knows....like the Talia/Dirk thing. Its said somewhere that Rolan thinks that they bonded the first time they met, right after Talia was Chosen. But neither of them knew it then...and the pressure just started after she got her Whites for them to find that bond and acknowledge it. Y'know...for all that lifebonding is such a "rare" thing...a LOT of them seem to crop up! Van/Lendel/Stef, Ylsa/Keren, Shavri/Randi, Jisa/Treven, Talia/Dirk, Selenay/Daren, etc. etc.. Hm...do COMPANIONS lifebond? -Keth just a thought... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:05:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Lynne Walker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: lifebonds, thanks Message-ID: <19980921210547.28015.rocketmail-+AT+-send202.yahoomail.com> Rainbow wrote "... what's the take with lifebonds?" AFAIK, lifebonds occur when a gifted but suicidal person "needs" a stable personality to "ground" them. I seem to remember this in LHM somewhere. Textevd anyone? Sorry for the short post, but I knew I could answer this even without my books. Dax, thanks for the welcome. I think I've read the NewbieFest over about 5 times while getting up the courage to actually join the list (and not just read the back archives. I'm up to mid-June now, sigh) Lady Starlight (soon to be hopefully) Goddess of Masques == "Just Breathe..." _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free -+AT+-yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 16:41:26 PDT From: "Lady Sunhawk" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Stef/Lendel, Lifebonds Message-ID: <19980921234127.477.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Heyla listsibs! Kethry wrote >Did Sherril and Keren lifebond? Or did they just get together? Hm. Interesting question! Well, after searching my house, I can't find AotQ for textevd (sorry, I'll look harder for it later), but from what I remember, the text isn't very indicative. IIRC, when Talia find Keren in her trance, she thinks back and remembers how Sherrill always seemed to be hovering on the edge of Keren and Ylsa. IMHO, this could be indicative of either a lifebond or a really really deep crush. Theres evidence on both sides--3-way bonds are rare, lifebonding twice in one lifetime is even rarer. But didn't someone say that if Ylsa lived, they would become part of a rare 3-way lifebond? Does anyone know who said this, is it someone who would know? Okay, I'll stop rambling and give my answer--I don't think they were lifebonded, just that they were very very much in love. If two lifebonds in a single lifetime are so rare, and Vanyel experienced it less than 1,000 yrs ago (no, sorry, I don't think Stefen is a reincarnation of 'Lendel, I think Vanyel had a rare 2-lifebonds-in-1-lifetime), I don't think it would happen again. What do all y'all think? Kethry wrote: >Y'know...for all that lifebonding is such a "rare" thing...a LOT of them >seem to crop up! Van/Lendel/Stef, Ylsa/Keren, Shavri/Randi, Jisa/Treven, >Talia/Dirk, Selenay/Daren, etc. etc.. hum, maybe those are *all* the lifebonds of their respective times, no one else lifebonded, no commoners, and no other ennobled. That made me think......I know there is a middle (merchant) class in Rethwellen, but what is the class system in Valdemar? I guess theres a middle class by Talia's time, but what about before? Anybody got any ideas? Peace, Sunhawk, with Natha the Salamandre > >Hm...do COMPANIONS lifebond? > >-Keth >just a thought... > > //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// No day but today -Rent ------------------------------------------------------------ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 19:43:23 -0400 From: "Reginabean" To: Subject: Re: Jinx High & Fluff & Stuff. Big Catch up post! Message-ID: <199809212342.TAA27163-+AT+-smtp3.erols.com> Hi! It's been a while since I've been able to write cause "Real Life" snuck up from behind me, blindfolded me, tied my hands behind my back and kidinaped me. Sigh. Anyway, I recently re-read Jinx high, and I realized a couple of interesting facts (at least to me) and I figured I'd share them. First, there is a Mark Shepard in the story. (I know we had a "guest apperences" thread going on. Umm...I'm sure there was more! I know there was more! Why can't i remember! Oh well On with other stuff--On stories I would like to see Misty write, I definitely would like to know more about Tannim's past, and I think would be great to find out whats happening with Andesha. I can't remember if he finally decided to become a shaman or not (is that the right term? I get stuff like that confused...) and what adventures he's had since. As for the "Where are we from" thread, I live in Southern New Jersey in the middle of nowhere (or so my friends tell me.) The area I am in is all farmland and my family farms for a living so we aren't exactly annywhere near civilization (Which is actually a blessing sometimes.) Age: 18. I go to a college about umm 30 minutes from my house (College=Real Life). I have sortof blond hair, blue eyes and average height. I'm really not sure about my height but I know I'm neither tall nor short. Average. About what I do when someone asks me what I'm reading... Note: Never once do my eyes leave what I'm reading. And I only do this to the many busybody "reading is for nerds kind of people) Person: What are you reading? ME: Without answering, I lift the cover (cause i normally read with the cover flat against the desk) Person: (Pause) Oh. Is it good? Me: Yes. Person: What's it about? Me: Without answering, I lift the book and turn the back of the book towards them (I hardly ever brought hardbacks to high school). Person: Are you reading it for a book report? Me: No. Person: So why are you reading it? Me: Cause I want to. Person: Oh. (Then they walk away, and leave me alone. And they never ask again). FLUFF! (finally) Reginabean is holding a big fluffy towel rather sheepishly, not being able to remember who was the nice listsib who let her borrow it when she got splooshed. Reginabean looks around, and seeing a nice table she places the towel on the table and places a little note: thanks for the towel! She leaves a couple of hershey kisses on top of the towel along with some chocolate chip sheep cookies. End Fluff Oh well, thanks for reading my ramblings, and computer friendly sheep to all, Reginabean ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 19:45:32 -0400 From: "Reginabean" To: Subject: Re: Jinx High & Fluff & Stuff. Big Catch up post! Message-ID: <199809212344.TAA27997-+AT+-smtp3.erols.com> Hi! It's been a while since I've been able to write cause "Real Life" snuck up from behind me, blindfolded me, tied my hands behind my back and kidnapped me. Sigh. Anyway, I recently re-read Jinx high, and I realized a couple of interesting facts (at least to me) and I figured I'd share them. First, there is a Mark Shepard in the story. (I know we had a "guest appearances" thread going on. Umm...I'm sure there was more! I know there was more! Why can't I remember! Oh well On with other stuff--On stories I would like to see Misty write, I definitely would like to know more about Tannim's past, and I think would be great to find out what's happening with Andesha. I can't remember if he finally decided to become a shaman or not (is that the right term? I get stuff like that confused...) and what adventures he's had since. As for the "Where are we from" thread, I live in Southern New Jersey in the middle of nowhere (or so my friends tell me.) The area I am in is all farmland and my family farms for a living so we aren't exactly anywhere near civilization (Which is actually a blessing sometimes.) Age: 18. I go to a college about umm 30 minutes from my house (College=Real Life). I have sortof blond hair, blue eyes and average height. I'm really not sure about my height but I know I'm neither tall nor short. Average. About what I do when someone asks me what I'm reading... Note: Never once do my eyes leave what I'm reading. And I only do this to the many busybody "reading is for nerds kind of people) Person: What are you reading? ME: Without answering, I lift the cover (cause I normally read with the cover flat against the desk) Person: (Pause) Oh. Is it good? Me: Yes. Person: What's it about? Me: Without answering, I lift the book and turn the back of the book towards them (I hardly ever brought hardbacks to high school). Person: Are you reading it for a book report? Me: No. Person: So why are you reading it? Me: Cause I want to. Person: Oh. (Then they walk away, and leave me alone. And they never ask again). FLUFF! (finally) Reginabean is holding a big fluffy towel rather sheepishly, not being able to remember who was the nice listsib who let her borrow it when she got splooshed. Reginabean looks around, and seeing a nice table she places the towel on the table and places a little note: thanks for the towel! She leaves a couple of Hershey kisses on top of the towel along with some chocolate chip sheep cookies. End Fluff Oh well, thanks for reading my ramblings, and computer friendly sheep to all, Reginabean ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1729 **********************************