MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1731 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) stuff~n~fluff (as usual) by kalistia-+AT+-juno.com (kalistia firemyst) 2) Re: Fanart and Stef/Lendel, Lifebonds by "Darcy Backes" 3) Children of the Night and stuff by Amy Trujillo 4) Re: Fanart and Stef/Lendel, Lifebonds by Kiyomi Onogi <00konogi-+AT+-jasper.uor.edu> 5) Lendel/Steph Ghost and Reincarnation by Amy Trujillo 6) National traits? by Ailsa Reid 7) Re: Fanart and more schtuff by Silveyrna 8) RE: National traits? by "Eleonora Scoseria" 9) *Yawn* Morning Siblings! by "Old Nicodemus" 10) RE: National traits? by "Thea Bergermann" 11) Vanyel, Tylendel/Stef by "Judy L. Wood" 12) Re:Stef/Lendel, Lifebonds by "Lady Sunhawk" 13) RE: Vanyel, Tylendel/Stef by "Eleonora Scoseria" 14) Vanyel, Stef & 'Lendel by Lynne Walker 15) I'm back. Sort of. by "Rhiannon Shadowsong" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:34:58 -0500 From: kalistia-+AT+-juno.com (kalistia firemyst) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: stuff~n~fluff (as usual) Message-ID: <19980922.193506.3342.0.kalistia-+AT+-juno.com> about the bonding...i believe that keren and them were a 3-way bond, and that van was just a bond, and the powers that be didn't deem van fit enough to deal with life after stef, so they sent him back as 'lendel...but i could be wrong... ::mutters some things under her breath and waives her hands in the air...a bright fire-like myst collects around new un-splooshed members as a bright aura:: new tricks i'm learning ::grins:: hey!!!!!!!<=hee!!!!! someone sploosh 'em!!!!! and i sympathize with everyone having 'fun' in rl...pleh... btw: 16, galveston, texas, brown hair that i 'helped with red, now the (as someone so eloquently put it) 'yes i dyed my hair and now i'm letting it grow out' unless i get to be peter pan :) and (hoping not to step on toes of copywrite-ness) notruwayist To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Fanart and Stef/Lendel, Lifebonds Message-ID: <19980923004149.20245.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> I patently refuse to braid, on the grounds that I have Ma'ar's blood in me somewhere. (like maybe left pinky finger?) >I understand that fanfic is no. 1 on the list of "All things bad, nasty, and >generally reprehensible" (wyrsa, magestorms, and Falconsbane are somewhere in >there too) but what about fanart? Does anybody know a site with Lackey fanart >(Velgrath-ian or otherwise)? I'd appreciate the URL(s), thank you. Don't know of any (being somewhat (okay extremely) new myself), but by all means, if there ain't one, make one! 'Love to see it. (also would love to write it, grumble, grumble - but hey, if I were Misty, I'd probably do the same.) >====> 'Lendel reincarnated as Stef! Starwind and Moonsong said so. Van believes >so. Reincarnation happens all the time (Florian, Sayvil/Savil, Firecats). So I >say he did. (so I can't think of anything smarter or wittier as a final sentence >:P) Ah, lassie, say it ain't so! Just think: if 'Lendel darling _wasn't_ reincarnated as Stef, and Vanyel really lifebonded twice, that means there's twice the fun! It is possible he wasn't reincarnated, but (even though I hope he wasn't) here are reasons why he probably was: 1. the whole dream thing when Van talks with 'Lendel while Stef is asleep - it makes sense ('course it makes it sense either way, but never mind) 2. In Mage storm books-- uh oh. If you haven't read 'em yet, read no further! =) %^P Ahem. If you're still reading, Why would Van volunteer to spend his afterlife (or at least some of it, as the case is, with his beloved Companion, his beloved lifebond #2, and forget about lifebond #1? HA! Yeah right. Even Demonslayer has his limits. 3. Um... haven't got one. At least not anymore. I might have had one back up there, but that long white space did me in on thinking. (I have a cold, it's my excuse) Obsidian Rogue, the one, the only ... Valdemaran stable-girl! (still traveler from Iri'ni, wielder of legendary sword Odori Kemuri (smoke dance) and friend of Hana, Ghost Tiger Oh wait! Fluff! My little Ghost Tiger (yeah the one whose real name is Misty - honest) is doing the cutest thing. This morning I stayed home, being sick, and so I didn't make my bed. She crawled under the covers just so her head was peeking out, which she laid on the pillow. How human of her. Misty? Are you a Firecat? (okay, so she's grey, but ...) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:48:16 -0500 From: Amy Trujillo To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Children of the Night and stuff Message-ID: <36084544.65BD-+AT+-southwind.net> Heyla everyone, Welcome newbies!!! Beware listsibs carrying buckets! WARNING * * * SLIGHT SPOILER for Children of the Night * * * * * * I've been rereading CotN and I was wondering whatever happened to Diana's panic attack engergy? With Andre's help she was able to channel her panic attacks, but nothing is ever said about that channeled energy after the end of that book. I always assumed that when Dave's spirit took over Diana after the fight with Jeffries and the band that he some how healed her or that she had overcome it herself. She would still have moments of fear and the channeling would work for that too, but nothing is ever said about it. Does anyone have any ideas? * * End Spoiler * * * Any way, on the lifebond thread. . . There has been some discussion about the personalities of lifebonded couples. While it is true that Steph/Lendel said that lifebonds are often a combination of a stable personality and one that is suicidal or overly emotional that makes a lifebond. But there are at least two cases where the two who are in the bond both seem to be incredibly stable. #1-Tamisin and Cinnabar In BG, both seem very stable, the key here is that they know who and what they are, Cinnabar came from a unique family that allowed her the freedom to train her gift and the war allowed them to be a couple. Tamisin also recognized that they were special and that other lifebonds ie Amberdrake and Winterhart would be different. And really with Amberdrake and Winterhart there were two strong willed but prone to depression individuals. #2-Donni and Mardic in LHM, again very strong and stable individuals. But they were Savil's pupils and she gave them the freedom to flurish. Overall I think there are several types of lifebonds and basically each one was is unique. Yech that was a garbled mess, but I am too lazy to fix it tonight :) My deepest apologies to everyone who read that. Until next time, Choclate covered gummi bear sheep Amy Ferret Friend Lady of All Things Missing, Especially Socks ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 18:25:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Kiyomi Onogi <00konogi-+AT+-jasper.uor.edu> To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Fanart and Stef/Lendel, Lifebonds Message-ID: Try this link it appears to be the Queen's Own homepage and has some links that lead to fanart and stuff :) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~ism/lackey/fan-groups/queens_own.shtml Princess -+AT+->--->-- "May God stand between you and harm in all the empty places you must walk." "...of him there was found no trace in any time in any place..." On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Darcy Backes wrote: > I patently refuse to braid, on the grounds that I have Ma'ar's blood in > me somewhere. (like maybe left pinky finger?) > > > > >I understand that fanfic is no. 1 on the list of "All things bad, > nasty, and > >generally reprehensible" (wyrsa, magestorms, and Falconsbane are > somewhere in > >there too) but what about fanart? Does anybody know a site with Lackey > fanart > >(Velgrath-ian or otherwise)? I'd appreciate the URL(s), thank you. > > Don't know of any (being somewhat (okay extremely) new myself), but by > all means, if there ain't one, make one! 'Love to see it. (also would > love to write it, grumble, grumble - but hey, if I were Misty, I'd > probably do the same.) > > > >====> 'Lendel reincarnated as Stef! Starwind and Moonsong said so. Van > believes > >so. Reincarnation happens all the time (Florian, Sayvil/Savil, > Firecats). So I > >say he did. (so I can't think of anything smarter or wittier as a final > sentence > >:P) > > Ah, lassie, say it ain't so! Just think: if 'Lendel darling _wasn't_ > reincarnated as Stef, and Vanyel really lifebonded twice, that means > there's twice the fun! It is possible he wasn't reincarnated, but (even > though I hope he wasn't) here are reasons why he probably was: > 1. the whole dream thing when Van talks with 'Lendel while Stef is > asleep - it makes sense ('course it makes it sense either way, but never > mind) > 2. In Mage storm books-- uh oh. If you haven't read 'em yet, read no > further! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =) > > > > > > %^P > > > > > > Ahem. If you're still reading, > Why would Van volunteer to spend his afterlife (or at least some of it, > as the case is, with his beloved Companion, his beloved lifebond #2, and > forget about lifebond #1? > HA! Yeah right. Even Demonslayer has his limits. > 3. Um... haven't got one. At least not anymore. I might have had one > back up there, but that long white space did me in on thinking. (I have > a cold, it's my excuse) > > Obsidian Rogue, the one, the only ... > Valdemaran stable-girl! > (still traveler from Iri'ni, wielder of legendary sword Odori Kemuri > (smoke dance) and friend of Hana, Ghost Tiger > > > Oh wait! Fluff! > My little Ghost Tiger (yeah the one whose real name is Misty - honest) > is doing the cutest thing. This morning I stayed home, being sick, and > so I didn't make my bed. She crawled under the covers just so her head > was peeking out, which she laid on the pillow. How human of her. > Misty? Are you a Firecat? (okay, so she's grey, but ...) > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 22:25:54 -0500 From: Amy Trujillo To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Lendel/Steph Ghost and Reincarnation Message-ID: <36086A3F.47F3-+AT+-southwind.net> Heyla I've been posting quite a bit lately so I will try to keep this short. I think that the reason that the ghost of Lendel/Steph shows up mainly in Steph's form except for the hair color switching is that he lived longest as Stephan. I think that the life span would have some effect on what the ghost would look like. He had lived 70? years as Steph and less than 20 as Lendel so really the Steph form would have been more natural to him by then. Sheep shaped rice crispy treats to all, Amy Ferret Friend Lady of All Things Missings, Especially Socks ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:35:04 +0100 (BST) From: Ailsa Reid To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: National traits? Message-ID: <199809231235.NAA27079-+AT+-brookes.ac.uk> Greetings all :> I've been wondering a bit recently, do you think there are any national traits to the various countries/regions in Velgarth? I mean like here traditionally the Scots are mean (see my .sig), the Irish are slightly thick, the Germans law-abiding, the Italians excitable and so on. Has anyone any idea what some of the Velgarth nationalities might be considered as by others? Ailsa, technically a full Scot Member of the Council of Mist ____________________________________________________________________________ | Ailsa Reid areid-+AT+-brookes.ac.uk | | Then there were the Scots, | | Who kept the Sabbath, | | And anything else they could lay their hands on | | (Trad., Anon) | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 20:45:38 +0800 From: Silveyrna To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Fanart and more schtuff Message-ID: <3608ED72.B053BDCA-+AT+-geocities.com> Kiyomi Onogi wrote: > Try this link it appears to be the Queen's Own homepage and has some links > that lead to fanart and stuff :) Thank you, Kiyomi, as it happens I've been there. Unfortunately it seems to be the ONLY place with fanart anywhere. And a pitiful collection it is too. Darcy Backes wrote: > > Don't know of any (being somewhat (okay extremely) new myself), but by > > all means, if there ain't one, make one! 'Love to see it. (also would > > love to write it, grumble, grumble - but hey, if I were Misty, I'd > > probably do the same.) Spot on, that's actually the main reason I was asking in the first place. I only asked just in case there was some tremendous site somewhere that didn't happen to be on any search engine and that there were no links too ( :P ). Anyone have any fanart lying around or know anyone with some? I 'm rather surprised that there's so little on the net. I even went as far as to ransack Elfwood, and out of the hundreds of thousands there, I found (*drumroll*) ... four. :P Elfwood is a fantastic site! Fantasy/ Scifi Art and Writings. Amatuer of course, but wow, what can pass as amatuer. You have to go visit it! http://www.elfwood.com > > HA! Yeah right. Even Demonslayer has his limits. You mean he's not "Dragonsbreath"? *snicker* I can't find the reference to white, talking horses in my copy of Bedlams' Bard. Where is it, anyone? Silveyrna ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ** Realm Silveyrna http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/3187/ ** Elfwood Amatuer Fantasy/Sci-Fi Art Galleries http://www.elfwood.com/lothlorien/artists/gin/gin.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:54:45 -0300 From: "Eleonora Scoseria" To: Subject: RE: National traits? Message-ID: <01bde6f1$56e077a0$ad7303cf-+AT+-equipo1> Ailsa wrote: >I've been wondering a bit recently, do you think there are any national traits >to the various countries/regions in Velgarth? I mean like here traditionally >the Scots are mean (see my .sig), the Irish are slightly thick, the Germans >law-abiding, the Italians excitable and so on. >Has anyone any idea what some of the Velgarth nationalities might be >considered as by others? Hmmmm...the only definite ones I can come up with are that IIRC, the Hawkbrothers are considered secretive and private, and the Shin'ain barbarians. As for the rest, my brain is semi-melted, sooooo.... Peace, Ele Councilor of Mist ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:46:09 -0400 From: "Old Nicodemus" To: "Misty" Subject: *Yawn* Morning Siblings! Message-ID: <000001bde6f8$85434c60$614c82d0-+AT+-oldnic> Hello all, hope everyone is having a half-way decent day. To that sib who "patently refuses to braid" cause he/she had Ma'ars blood...: LOL. Thats great!! LOL I was ROTF. Im still trying to get a Firebird Catalogue so I can get that Wyrsa tee-shirt. Anybody have one?? Whats it look like?? On the subject of fanart: and in dread fear of treading once more on the sacred ground of Copyright-dom, I was thinking of placing some..uh...slightly fan-inspired...um...doodles...on my website. Uhm, currently I have my site down for renovation but itll be back up soon at the new location of http://www.se-tel.com/~cdi so those interested can check there every now and then. and on a related note: Raven Darkblade ( I think) sent some of her art work to me. could you please send them again? I suffered a major Hardrive destroying event and lost them. I encourage everyone to visit her site if it contains art and you havent yet done so because what she sent me was great!! So, Raven, you mentioned sending me some poems and stories (NOT VELGARTH, of course ) but I have yet to receive them. Anytime you wanna send them I can put them on the story page. Lets see, I think thats it. ObMisty?? Uhm, Oh jeez, my brain cant think of anything. *du'dera* **************************************************************************** *** "..if ye cant afford a carriage, then ye cant afford a marriage and I'll be damned, if I'll be crammed, on a bicycle built for two..." ---Ladies Rejoinder, "Bicycle Built for Two" Old Nicodemus, flag waver for Ma'ar, Falconsbane, An'desha, and wyrsa ALOOFF, Leader of the Rats of the Delta Quadrant, Knight of Fluff, Member of the Order of Light Warriors One In Black. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 18:42:02 +0200 From: "Thea Bergermann" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: RE: National traits? Message-ID: <199809231539.RAA08066-+AT+-scatopharga.doso.de> > Ailsa wrote: > --Fluff -- > >I've been wondering a bit recently, do you think there are any national > traits > >to the various countries/regions in Velgarth? I mean like here > traditionally > >the Scots are mean (see my .sig), the Irish are slightly thick, the Germans > >law-abiding, the Italians excitable and so on. WHAT? *We* and law-abiding? Where got you that notion? There's a law against it! Will you abide by it, and now!!! (the there's no-law-abiding-law abiding German ;-) ) --/fluff-- back to topic... Ele wrote: > Hmmmm...the only definite ones I can come up with > are that IIRC, the Hawkbrothers are considered > secretive and private, and the Shin'ain barbarians. And you have the secretive/mysterious/peaceful and leave-me-alone, thank you- Iftel. And the church-abiding Karsites (one and all fanatics) -- "Nothing comes out of Karse other than bad weather and brigants". And the Rethwellans are soooo fond of long names (Darenthalis, Lythiaren, Karathanelan, Kerowyn, Kethryveris). Lots of national traits. Greetings, TheaEvanda Adictee to filk, embroidery and sailing Bad Mage, but Recorder-Wizard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:51:25 -0400 From: "Judy L. Wood" To: "mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk" Subject: Vanyel, Tylendel/Stef Message-ID: <3609351B.E3F17325-+AT+-BellSouth.Net> WARNING: Storm Trilogy Spoiler..... .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. I hope that is far enough. There were so many messages on the Tylendal/Stefan reincarnation thing, I could not quote them all. The first time Vanyel and Tylendel/Stefan are encountered is in WOFury, when Vanyel intercepts the gate Firesong is building from k'Sheyna Vale to k'Treva Vale. The only changes in Stefan is described as "his hair couldn't quite make up its mind whether it wanted to be blond or red." It did not state how long he stayed one way or the other. The second time is in Storm Breaking when Altra jumps back from Valdemar with the piece of wood that Vanyel and Stefan will use as a focus. Karal finds Stef not to be "any easier on the nerves (than Vanyel) perhaps because he couldn't seem to make uphis mind whether to look like a muscular, square-jawed fellow who was a bit taller than Vanyel (Tylendal), or a slight triangular-faced, large-eyed lad who was shorter and more slender than the Herald-Mage(Stef)" Again I find no statement as to how long he stays in one shape. It does not state that he is in Stef's form longer than Tylendal's .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. end of spoiler About the Vanyel dreaming of Tylendal and Stefan is asleep beside him. Remember in BTS Kerowyn and Eldan sharing dreams. I believe it is the same with Vanyel and Stefan. Stefan does not remember living as Tylendal, but subconciously he can. It is there in dreams that the part of him that does remember reaches out to Vanyel.. I believe it is when Vanyel realizes that the trip up north with Stefan mirrors his dream of traveling there with Tylendal that he understands the relationship betweeen Stef and Tylendal. I think I have said enough for one day. Peace. Love, and sheep shaped chocolate chip cookies for all. JW -- "Insanity takes its toll.....Please have exact change" "Where the hell are the singin' cats?" -- Paul Newman "Surely, you can't be serious!" "I am serious, and don't call me Shirley" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:55:00 PDT From: "Lady Sunhawk" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re:Stef/Lendel, Lifebonds Message-ID: <19980923215501.9542.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Okay listsibs, time for me to get up off my lurking butt and add my .02. all right! I fold under pressure! Yes, I think there was a lifebond between Keren and Ylsa, and Keren and Sherrill. BUT I still don't think that 'lendel and Stef are the same person. But then, I have my stubborn points :) It just has never occured to me that they were the same person, and in Kethry's words (in Oathbound, not the Keth on-list) "not bloody likely" to change m' mind.....I'll reread Magic's Price and see what I think then. It *has* been awhile since I read it. 'course I promise nothing.... :) Oh, and does anyone else think that whoever drew the cover for Bedlam's Bard should die slowly and painfully? Kory is *not* Fabio! peace, and sheep of your preferred flavor, Sunni ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 19:10:06 -0300 From: "Eleonora Scoseria" To: Subject: RE: Vanyel, Tylendel/Stef Message-ID: <01bde73e$ebee6620$ad7303cf-+AT+-equipo1> Judy wrote: >About the Vanyel dreaming of Tylendal and Stefan is asleep beside him. >Remember in BTS Kerowyn and Eldan sharing dreams. I believe it is the >same with Vanyel and Stefan. Hmmm.....I don't think it is quite the same, tho I do believe that the fact that Stef was asleep is significant in the sense than the "aspect of his soul that had been Tylendel" could take over. However, in Eldan's case, it seems like the whole dream thing was something that Eldan consciously did, in order to somehow get through to Kero. It has never been clear to me what gift exactly was involved there, since I don't know of any other cases like that. Kero believes them to be dreams but when they meet after 10 years or more towards the end of BTW, Eldan pretty much admits it was his doing, IIRC. Hmm..I guess I am not being consistent, and what Judy meant was precisely that? That the part of Stef that was Tylendel made Van have that dream and share it with him? Guess I should stop babbling. WTTW, Ele Councilor of Mist ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 17:21:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Lynne Walker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Vanyel, Stef & 'Lendel Message-ID: <19980924002103.25970.rocketmail-+AT+-send201.yahoomail.com> Heyla, listsibs My .02 on the V,S,&L debate. What if... Vanyel had an influence on the form Stef took after death? His preferred way of seeing that form? ObMisty: as all my books are packed, I borrowed a copy of AFlight to read & was wondering: Why didn't Rolan speak with Tantris about getting help for Talia? (unless she needed to come to that conclusion herself... guess I just answered my own question ) Sorry for the short post but I am 10 minutes away from getting off work. Lady Starlight (soon to be hopefully) Goddess of Masques == "Just Breathe..." _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free -+AT+-yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 17:38:34 PDT From: "Rhiannon Shadowsong" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: I'm back. Sort of. Message-ID: <19980924003835.27601.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> ::A tall woman trudges in a collapses on the floor just inside the doorway.:: I can't make it any farther. I'm too tired and brain-fried." She sighes. "I haven't checked my mail for the past three weeks. Do you have any idea how much mail can build up? I will tell you. I had over 300 messages. I wanted to cry. I deleted all of them and just wanted to dredge for sympathy. I'd appreciate a little catch-up note from someone. I bet you want to know while I was out of action. Since I feel like whining, I'll tell you. Every single time I sat down at the computer, my mother managed to find something for me to do. "Katie, go wash the dishes." "Take out the trash." "Go clean your room." There are things immensely more important than the state of my room. I should think. But it doesn't matter anymore, because mom went in with a plastic bag and took all of my stuff anyway. I'm still trying to figure out how to redeem myself because she has the first two books in the Malleorean packed away..... Ok, I think I'm finished whining. I'm going to go upstairs now and listen to RENT, Les Miserables, or Phantom of the Opera until my nerves calm. My mother loathes musicals...::grins evilly:: Uncultured peasant... Someone please catch me up, and I'll try my darndest to stay up to date. Wind to thy Wings, Rhiannon Shadowsong Elf-Girl Mage in Training Friend to Faeries ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1731 **********************************