MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1732 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: National traits? by songbard-+AT+-juno.com (Eaton W Thurman) 2) Re: Vanyel, Stef & 'Lendel by LNGarrity-+AT+-aol.com 3) RE: National traits? by Ember 4) Infatuation with Vanyel by Traci 5) delurking by skyfire-+AT+-t-online.de (skyfire) 6) re: national traits by skyfire-+AT+-t-online.de (skyfire) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 23:07:56 -0400 From: songbard-+AT+-juno.com (Eaton W Thurman) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: National traits? Message-ID: <19980923.230756.-370469.0.SongBard-+AT+-juno.com> Hi! I'm new to this list, but I want to jump right in.... >Lots of national traits. My favorite of these has been the many Shin'a'in sayings that we've seen in recent books. I love the characterization of the Shin'a'in as a bunch of walking, talking fortune cookies who spout platitudes at the drop of a hat. However, I think that the master of national characterization is still David Eddings, who has given every one of his groups a national character. >Again I find no statement as to how long he stays in >one shape. It does not state that he is in Stef's form longer than >Tylendal's I don't know if it ever mentioned how long he stayed in the form, but it seemed to me that there was a definite sense of him being STEFAN rather than 'Lendel. Maybe because that was Stefan was the most recent incarnation of the soul. >>BUT I still don't think that 'lendel and Stef are the same person. But then, I have my stubborn >points :) It just has never occured to me that they were the same >person, and in Kethry's words (in Oathbound, not the Keth on-list) "not >bloody likely" to change m' mind.....I'll reread Magic's Price and see >what I think then. It *has* been awhile since I read it. 'course I >promise nothing.... :) But there is so much direct evidence that they are! I hate to disagree in a first message, but I think that this is one of those things that we are meant to accept and not argue about...the whole Stefan calling Van "ashke" thing, and the aforementioned soul-shifting, and so many other things....M.L. has gone to such lengths to emphasize the connection...how can we deny it???/ >I'm going to go upstairs now and listen to RENT, Les Miserables, or >Phantom of the Opera until my nerves calm. Rent, Les Miz....two out of three a'int bad! Ok - later SongBard _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 00:19:37 EDT From: LNGarrity-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Vanyel, Stef & 'Lendel Message-ID: <40f9ea37.3609c859-+AT+-aol.com> Heyla, All! I'm new to the list, but i've been following the great V,S&L debeate for a while, and I thought this was pretty interesting.... In a message dated 98-09-23 20:57:30 EDT, ladystarlight_98-+AT+-yahoo.com writes: << My .02 on the V,S,&L debate. What if... Vanyel had an influence on the form Stef took after death? His preferred way of seeing that form? >> I think that makes a lot of sense. (POSSIBLE SPOILER FOR MAGIC'S PRICE) * * * * * * * * * * In MP, it's implied that the Shadow Lover appears to everyone as they would wish to see him/her. MHO - I think the same thing would be true for 'Lendels appearence in Vanyel's dream - that would be the form that would make the most sense to him. sweet dreams, in night or day, L. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 06:55:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Ember To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: RE: National traits? Message-ID: <19980924135531.25354.rocketmail-+AT+-send103.yahoomail.com> > Ailsa wrote: > > > >I've been wondering a bit recently, do you think there are any national > traits > >to the various countries/regions in Velgarth? I mean like here > traditionally > >the Scots are mean (see my .sig), the Irish are slightly thick, the Germans > >law-abiding, the Italians excitable and so on. > >Has anyone any idea what some of the Velgarth nationalities might be > >considered as by others? > If I remember correctly, the Holderkin (where Talia's from) have a type of trait....they are sort of secluded farmers and are (to me anyways) really gruff and stubborn (their way or no way)...also, Sherril mentions in AotQ about Mero and how nice he is 'cause he follows the Book of One (sorry, no textev to show) and i think that where he is from that the people are kind and curteous....those from Iftel, well they are very mysterious and secretive.....Karsites very religious.....---of course, all of this is my own opinion. Well, that's all I can really say about that right at this moment (RL calls---college, that is)..... __FLUFF!!!___ ::looks around at all the new people here:: Hello there! Welcome! Glad you could join us! ::puts stack of sheep printed towels on the table:: Here, I do believe that you may need these at some point. ::gestures to her home made cookies on the table:: Feel free to try my new cookies. Right now, I'm in the process of trying to bake a sheep-shaped cake. ::jumps up really quickly from her chair and rushes out:: Sorry that I have to leave so quickly. Have to check on the cake! Good day to all and soft, fluffy sheep to everyone! Ember The Elven Sorceress == Follow your heart!!! You never know where it may lead you. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free -+AT+-yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 15:42:48 -0500 From: Traci To: Mercedes-Lackey List Subject: Infatuation with Vanyel Message-ID: <360AAEC8.3242D7B0-+AT+-oklahoma-city.crosswinds.net> I too am infatuated w/ Van. He is just to gorgeous!!!!I mean just look at his face and even as far as his body! That man is sooooooooooo FINE!!!!!!!! I'm a girl so i just guess i'm out of luck. mooncrystal ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 23:24:48 -0700 From: skyfire-+AT+-t-online.de (skyfire) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: delurking Message-ID: <3609E5B0.5BB7A3B1-+AT+-t-online.de> Hi everybody! Here's an "oldbie" delurking. I'm back onlist now that I have a bit more time on my hands - RL is not so demanding anymore. Last time I've been here was about 1 year ago - that was a short interlude, but as the archives show me, I've been a frequent poster in '96. Now I'm wondering if my Goddesshood has expired after so long... ;) I've been trying to access Cennydd's page, but the server keeps telling me that it doesn't exist, not even with the address Ele posted recently. Anybody else who has the same problems? And does the mailing list homepage still exist? As far as I can see, the list hasn't changed at all. Only that the .sigs have gotten longer, perhaps... -- Khenta Blaufalk aka Skyfire k'Vala, bonded to Aar Goddess of Incomplete Vocabulary and Garbled Grammar Otherwise unaffiliated ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 23:54:37 -0700 From: skyfire-+AT+-t-online.de (skyfire) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: re: national traits Message-ID: <360B3E2D.D802A6B5-+AT+-t-online.de> Ailsa Reid wrote: > the Germans [are] law-abiding, Bwahahahahah! Who told you that? Hey, we are the Nation that invented the "11th commandment", _Don't Get Caught_ (I do NOT want to hurt anybody's religious feelings, it's just a common saying over here). So far, I haven't got caught. ;) As Bart Simpson said, "I didn't do it, nobody has seen me, you can't prove anything". And if you take this too seriously, you can't be helped... ;) All the bad guys have german-sounding names. See Hollywood. With Misty, it's the Karsites, at least in Talia's, "Cold War"-time. Now if that's not a national trait . -- Khenta B. > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 20:45:38 +0800 > From: Silveyrna > To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk > Subject: Re: Fanart and more schtuff > Message-ID: <3608ED72.B053BDCA-+AT+-geocities.com> > > Kiyomi Onogi wrote: > > > Try this link it appears to be the Queen's Own homepage and has some > links > > that lead to fanart and stuff :) > > Thank you, Kiyomi, as it happens I've been there. Unfortunately it > seems to be > the ONLY place with fanart anywhere. And a pitiful collection it is > too. > > Darcy Backes wrote: > > > > Don't know of any (being somewhat (okay extremely) new myself), > but by > > > all means, if there ain't one, make one! 'Love to see it. (also > would > > > love to write it, grumble, grumble - but hey, if I were Misty, I'd > > > probably do the same.) > > Spot on, that's actually the main reason I was asking in the first > place. I only > asked just in case there was some tremendous site somewhere that > didn't happen > to be on any search engine and that there were no links too ( :P ). > Anyone have > any fanart lying around or know anyone with some? I 'm rather > surprised that > there's so little on the net. I even went as far as to ransack > Elfwood, and out > of the hundreds of thousands there, I found (*drumroll*) ... four. :P > > > Elfwood is a fantastic site! Fantasy/ Scifi Art and Writings. Amatuer > of course, > but wow, what can pass as amatuer. You have to go visit it! > http://www.elfwood.com > > > > > HA! Yeah right. Even Demonslayer has his limits. > > You mean he's not "Dragonsbreath"? *snicker* > > I can't find the reference to white, talking horses in my copy of > Bedlams' Bard. > Where is it, anyone? > > Silveyrna > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ** Realm Silveyrna > http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/3187/ > ** Elfwood Amatuer Fantasy/Sci-Fi Art Galleries > http://www.elfwood.com/lothlorien/artists/gin/gin.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:54:45 -0300 > From: "Eleonora Scoseria" > To: > Subject: RE: National traits? > Message-ID: <01bde6f1$56e077a0$ad7303cf-+AT+-equipo1> > > Ailsa wrote: > > >I've been wondering a bit recently, do you think there are any > national > traits > >to the various countries/regions in Velgarth? I mean like here > traditionally > >the Scots are mean (see my .sig), the Irish are slightly thick, the > Germans > >law-abiding, the Italians excitable and so on. > >Has anyone any idea what some of the Velgarth nationalities might be > >considered as by others? > > Hmmmm...the only definite ones I can come up with are that IIRC, the > Hawkbrothers are considered secretive and private, and the Shin'ain > barbarians. > > As for the rest, my brain is semi-melted, sooooo.... > > Peace, > > Ele > Councilor of Mist > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:46:09 -0400 > From: "Old Nicodemus" > To: "Misty" > Subject: *Yawn* Morning Siblings! > Message-ID: <000001bde6f8$85434c60$614c82d0-+AT+-oldnic> > > Hello all, hope everyone is having a half-way decent day. > > To that sib who "patently refuses to braid" cause he/she had Ma'ars > blood...: > LOL. Thats great!! LOL I was ROTF. Im still trying to get a Firebird > Catalogue so I can get that Wyrsa tee-shirt. Anybody have one?? Whats > it > look like?? > > On the subject of fanart: > and in dread fear of treading once more on the sacred ground of > Copyright-dom, I was thinking of placing some..uh...slightly > fan-inspired...um...doodles...on my website. Uhm, currently I have my > site > down for renovation but itll be back up soon at the new location of > http://www.se-tel.com/~cdi > so those interested can check there every now and then. > > and on a related note: Raven Darkblade ( I think) sent some of her art > work > to me. could you please send them again? I suffered a major Hardrive > destroying event and lost them. I encourage everyone to visit her site > if it > contains art and you havent yet done so because what she sent me was > great!! > So, Raven, you mentioned sending me some poems and stories (NOT > VELGARTH, of > course ) but I have yet to receive them. Anytime you wanna send > them I > can put them on the story page. > > Lets see, I think thats it. ObMisty?? Uhm, Oh jeez, my brain cant > think of > anything. > > *du'dera* > > **************************************************************************** > *** > > "..if ye cant afford a carriage, then ye cant afford a marriage > and I'll be damned, if I'll be crammed, on a bicycle built for two..." > > ---Ladies Rejoinder, "Bicycle Built for Two" > > Old Nicodemus, flag waver for Ma'ar, Falconsbane, An'desha, and wyrsa > ALOOFF, Leader of the Rats of the Delta Quadrant, > Knight of Fluff, Member of the Order of Light Warriors > One In Black. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 18:42:02 +0200 > From: "Thea Bergermann" > To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk > Subject: RE: National traits? > Message-ID: <199809231539.RAA08066-+AT+-scatopharga.doso.de> > > > Ailsa wrote: > > > --Fluff -- > > >I've been wondering a bit recently, do you think there are any > national > > traits > > >to the various countries/regions in Velgarth? I mean like here > > traditionally > > >the Scots are mean (see my .sig), the Irish are slightly thick, the > Germans > > >law-abiding, the Italians excitable and so on. > > WHAT? *We* and law-abiding? Where got you that > notion? There's a law against it! Will you abide by it, and > now!!! (the there's no-law-abiding-law abiding German ;-) ) > > --/fluff-- back to topic... > > Ele wrote: > > Hmmmm...the only definite ones I can come up with > > are that IIRC, the Hawkbrothers are considered > > secretive and private, and the Shin'ain barbarians. > > And you have the secretive/mysterious/peaceful and > leave-me-alone, thank you- Iftel. > And the church-abiding Karsites (one and all fanatics) -- > "Nothing comes out of Karse other than bad weather and > brigants". > And the Rethwellans are soooo fond of long names > (Darenthalis, Lythiaren, Karathanelan, Kerowyn, > Kethryveris). Lots of national traits. > > Greetings, > > TheaEvanda > > Adictee to filk, embroidery and sailing > Bad Mage, but Recorder-Wizard > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:51:25 -0400 > From: "Judy L. Wood" > To: "mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk" > Subject: Vanyel, Tylendel/Stef > Message-ID: <3609351B.E3F17325-+AT+-BellSouth.Net> > > WARNING: Storm Trilogy Spoiler..... > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > I hope that is far enough. > There were so many messages on the Tylendal/Stefan reincarnation > thing, > I could not quote them all. The first time Vanyel and Tylendel/Stefan > are encountered is in WOFury, when Vanyel intercepts the gate Firesong > is building from k'Sheyna Vale to k'Treva Vale. > The only changes in Stefan is described as "his hair couldn't quite > make > up its mind whether it wanted to be blond or red." It did not state > how > long he stayed one way or the other. The second time is in Storm > Breaking when Altra jumps back from Valdemar with the piece of wood > that > Vanyel and Stefan will use as a focus. Karal finds Stef not to be > "any > easier on the nerves (than Vanyel) perhaps because he couldn't seem to > make uphis mind whether to look like a muscular, square-jawed fellow > who > was a bit taller than Vanyel (Tylendal), or a slight triangular-faced, > large-eyed lad who was shorter and more slender than the > Herald-Mage(Stef)" Again I find no statement as to how long he stays > in > one shape. It does not state that he is in Stef's form longer than > Tylendal's > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > end of spoiler > > About the Vanyel dreaming of Tylendal and Stefan is asleep beside him. > Remember in BTS Kerowyn and Eldan sharing dreams. I believe it is the > same with Vanyel and Stefan. Stefan does not remember living as > Tylendal, but subconciously he can. It is there in dreams that the > part > of him that does remember reaches out to Vanyel.. I believe it is when > Vanyel realizes that the trip up north with Stefan mirrors his dream > of > traveling there with Tylendal that he understands the relationship > betweeen Stef and Tylendal. > > I think I have said enough for one day. Peace. Love, and sheep > shaped > chocolate chip cookies for all. > > JW > -- > "Insanity takes its toll.....Please have exact change" > "Where the hell are the singin' cats?" -- Paul Newman > > "Surely, you can't be serious!" > "I am serious, and don't call me Shirley" > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:55:00 PDT > From: "Lady Sunhawk" > To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk > Subject: Re:Stef/Lendel, Lifebonds > Message-ID: <19980923215501.9542.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> > > Okay listsibs, time for me to get up off my lurking butt and add my > .02. > > all right! I fold under pressure! Yes, I think there was a lifebond > between Keren and Ylsa, and Keren and Sherrill. BUT I still don't > think > that 'lendel and Stef are the same person. But then, I have my > stubborn > points :) It just has never occured to me that they were the same > person, and in Kethry's words (in Oathbound, not the Keth on-list) > "not > bloody likely" to change m' mind.....I'll reread Magic's Price and see > what I think then. It *has* been awhile since I read it. 'course I > promise nothing.... :) > > Oh, and does anyone else think that whoever drew the cover for > Bedlam's > Bard should die slowly and painfully? Kory is *not* Fabio! > > peace, and sheep of your preferred flavor, > Sunni > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 19:10:06 -0300 > From: "Eleonora Scoseria" > To: > Subject: RE: Vanyel, Tylendel/Stef > Message-ID: <01bde73e$ebee6620$ad7303cf-+AT+-equipo1> > > Judy wrote: > > >About the Vanyel dreaming of Tylendal and Stefan is asleep beside > him. > >Remember in BTS Kerowyn and Eldan sharing dreams. I believe it is > the > >same with Vanyel and Stefan. > > Hmmm.....I don't think it is quite the same, tho I do believe that the > fact > that Stef was asleep is significant in the sense than the "aspect of > his > soul that had been Tylendel" could take over. > > However, in Eldan's case, it seems like the whole dream thing was > something > that Eldan consciously did, in order to somehow get through to Kero. > It has > never been clear to me what gift exactly was involved there, since I > don't > know of any other cases like that. > Kero believes them to be dreams but when they meet after 10 years or > more > towards the end of BTW, Eldan pretty much admits it was his doing, > IIRC. > > Hmm..I guess I am not being consistent, and what Judy meant was > precisely > that? That the part of Stef that was Tylendel made Van have that dream > and > share it with him? > > Guess I should stop babbling. > > WTTW, > > Ele > Councilor of Mist > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 17:21:03 -0700 (PDT) > From: Lynne Walker > To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk > Subject: Vanyel, Stef & 'Lendel > Message-ID: <19980924002103.25970.rocketmail-+AT+-send201.yahoomail.com> > > Heyla, listsibs > > My .02 on the V,S,&L debate. What if... Vanyel > had an influence on the form Stef took after death? His preferred way > of seeing that form? > > ObMisty: as all my books are packed, I borrowed a copy of AFlight to > read & was wondering: Why didn't Rolan speak with Tantris about > getting help for Talia? (unless she needed to come to that conclusion > herself... guess I just answered my own question ) > > Sorry for the short post but I am 10 minutes away from getting off > work. > > Lady Starlight > (soon to be hopefully) Goddess of Masques > > == > "Just Breathe..." > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free -+AT+-yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 17:38:34 PDT > From: "Rhiannon Shadowsong" > To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk > Subject: I'm back. Sort of. > Message-ID: <19980924003835.27601.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> > > ::A tall woman trudges in a collapses on the floor just inside the > doorway.:: I can't make it any farther. I'm too tired and > brain-fried." She sighes. "I haven't checked my mail for the past > three weeks. Do you have any idea how much mail can build up? I will > tell you. I had over 300 messages. I wanted to cry. I deleted all > of > them and just wanted to dredge for sympathy. > I'd appreciate a little catch-up note from someone. > I bet you want to know while I was out of action. Since I feel like > whining, I'll tell you. Every single time I sat down at the computer, > my mother managed to find something for me to do. "Katie, go wash the > dishes." "Take out the trash." "Go clean your room." There are > things > immensely more important than the state of my room. I should think. > But > it doesn't matter anymore, because mom went in with a plastic bag and > took all of my stuff anyway. I'm still trying to figure out how to > redeem myself because she has the first two books in the Malleorean > packed away..... Ok, I think I'm finished whining. > > I'm going to go upstairs now and listen to RENT, Les Miserables, or > Phantom of the Opera until my nerves calm. My mother loathes > musicals...::grins evilly:: Uncultured peasant... > Someone please catch me up, and I'll try my darndest to stay up to > date. > > Wind to thy Wings, > Rhiannon Shadowsong > Elf-Girl > Mage in Training > Friend to Faeries > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------------ > > End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1731 > ********************************** ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1732 **********************************