MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1752 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Stefen by Kenneth Allen Hyde 2) thus and such by Tylendel Dotzauer 3) Re: Stefen by Tylendel Dotzauer 4) Re: short fluff, braid of things I just now read. by SXorceress-+AT+-aol.com 5) Re: HELLO ALL!!! about being chosen... by SXorceress-+AT+-aol.com 6) Re: WYOMING GAY BASHING VICTIM MATTHEW SHEPARD PRONOUNCED DEAD by Scrubjay1-+AT+-aol.com 7) Re: Stefen by Jan aka Nyte Shadow 8) Re: WYOMING GAY BASHING VICTIM MATTHEW SHEPARD PRONOUNCED DEAD by Jan aka Nyte Shadow 9) Mathew Shepard and Owlsight by Amy Trujillo 10) newbies unite! by Tylendel Dotzauer 11) Re: Stefen by Kenneth Allen Hyde 12) Mist: One-liners/Tylendel by Peter Allen 13) Re: Mist: One-liners/Tylendel by Jan aka Nyte Shadow 14) Re: Stefen by Tylendel Dotzauer 15) Re: Hey to Elsa and 'Lendel/Stef. by Scrubjay1-+AT+-aol.com 16) Owlsight art and wedding ceromony-------Owlsight spoiler by Shadwstakr-+AT+-aol.com 17) Re: a M.L. question on books by "Alexia/Sabrina" 18) Re: Owlsight art and wedding ceromony-------Owlsight spoiler by "Alexia/Sabrina" 19) Re: Stefen & Owlflight by Tatjana Schwabe 20) Re: dyslexic? by Tatjana Schwabe 21) Longwinded mail by Silveyrna ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:42:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Kenneth Allen Hyde To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Stefen Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Oct 1998, Tylendel Dotzauer wrote: > but I was almost offeneded by Stefan's character. I mean, all well and > good, I certainly wanted 'Lendel back.. but *as* 'Lendel Why would anyone want 'Lendel back? I really don't think that a suicidally unstable mage is a good thing to have around (unless of course you are looking for one of those dire and dark fantasies by Louise Cooper or C.S.Friedman) > not as some cheeky little kid who's only apparent premise was to get > Vanyel into bed with him. Actually, I like that premise. I think the series would have been really negative if Misty had left it with Van celibate and non-threatening, after having lost his first gay lover. Too much like those horrid books where the hero/heroine has sex, is punished by having their lover die horribly and then either spends their life living a sexless existence atoning for their sins or spends their life suffering further slings and arrows beforing dying of some painful yet ironically karmic way. Stefen's character redeemed both the series and Van by showing that there is nothing wrong with being happy and gay and enjoying sex and lusting after your lifebonded. > I still think that Stefan sucked. 'Lendel's the man. Must...control...self! Must...bite...tongue! ROTFLMAO! May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd Councilor of Mist Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me //www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/prof/ken.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:30:43 -0400 From: Tylendel Dotzauer To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: thus and such Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19981013203043.006abafc-+AT+-pop.service.ohio-state.edu> Rhiannon: >I was the opposite. Lendel irritated me, I guess because >he put Staven >and other parts of his life before Van. Or maybe he just >rubbed me the >wrong way; I often develop unreasonable dislikes for >people and >characters, so my irritation my be illogical and have no >reasons. >Anyway, I really liked Stefen. He seemed so real to me, >and he loved >Vanyel much more than Lendel did, I think. Yeah, he just >wanted to get >in bed with Van *at first* but Van was very attractive. >And Stef was >just the right age to be very hormonal. Then he started >getting >obessessive, and he really grew up during the short time >he and Van were >together. I think that's what bothers me- Stef grew up, >Lendel didn't. 'Lendel didn't have *time* to grow up. He and Van were together, what, 1 month? 2 months? The novel isn't specific, but it can't be more than a couple of months. Plus 'Lendel only put Staven first *after* Staven was killed. But 'Lendel's not perfect-- neither is Stefan-- so who knows. Dammit... ok, I'm going home this weekend, I'm going to go get my copy of Magic's Price and read it so I know what I'm talking about again... :-) Greg: >College admissions are based on many factors; ACT and SAT >test scores >are only two factors. (Different colleges will weigh the >different >factors differently....) >While the ACT is primarily a test of one's knowledge, the >SAT is more >of an intelligence test. It tests reasoning ability, the >ability to >see patterns, and so forth -- in addition to mathematical >knowledge and >English vocabulary. In fact, Mensa allows admission based >on SAT scores, >if you're within the top 2%, since it is partially an IQ >test. >(My own scores were 780 Math and 680 Verbal. That >qualified for Mensa's >admission last time I checked, around 1990. But I don't >remember what >the cut-off point was.) YOU HAD A 1460?? Damn... I don't know... I think most colleges put a lot of weight on SAT and ACT scores. I know it's not *all* that counts, but most, since it is the same for everyone who takes it, you could call it "the great equalizer" -- although on any given day, anyone could have a good or bad day, be thinking one thing instead of another, etc etc. I just don't think it's the best way to test people. Not that I can think of a better one, though. ;-) MacFey: >Ah.. my favorite scene... from LHM the first book... is >when Van's >pop comes to get him at Havens and he's drugged and >outside with >Yfrandes... "you heard I've been playing ewe to 'Lendels >Ram." I >loved it! So many times I've actually wanted to say that >to someone! >hehehehe... That scene is the bomb... :-) Although I'm a BIG BIG BIG BIG BIG BIG BIG fan of Magic's Pawn, and just about the whole book would qualify for a favorite scene of mine.. I *LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE* the "fight" scene... especially all of the similes and metaphors Misty uses to describe Savil's words. "she said, with an edge to her voice that was sharp enough to shave with" and i think some of the others are "heated enough to blister paint" and other such things. There's also the part in the "fight" when Savil goes out to stop them and it says "Savil strode out into the deluge, her dignity somewhat diminished when her feet squelched instead of coming down firmly" that is the BEST line. :-) I always think about that when I'm out trudging through the mud. ---SXorceress-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > > there's a site on the Official QUeen's Own requirements of being chosen...I'll > link you, if you ask me too, all right? But to be chosen officially, you must > be in the QUeen's Own club, wich is largely a snail mail thing, plus the fee, > and the restrictions, and the no-nos and the please contributes, and the > sillions and tons of junk mail that they send to you about byuing things that > areen't even related to Heralds. That's why IM not >joining. Is that the one you have to write all those papers for? I was thinking about joining that group... but I'm not sure, if it's really such a hassle. If any of you have web pages then I would suggest looking into linking up into webrings, I'm trying to get mine up on both the Heraldic Collegium and the Heraldic Circle. I think the web site for the Circle is http://www.geocities.com/area51/vault/5297/ringhome.html, and I believe there is a link to the Collegium on that page as well. Or you can always check out my site at http://www.geocities.com/paris/lights/8308/ and I know that links to both are up there and *should* be working. :-) -ty ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 21:05:45 -0400 From: Tylendel Dotzauer To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Stefen Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19981013210545.006ac824-+AT+-pop.service.ohio-state.edu> Kenneth Allan Hyde: >Why would anyone want 'Lendel back? I really don't think that a >suicidally unstable mage is a good thing to have around (unless of course >you are looking for one of those dire and dark fantasies by Louise Cooper >or C.S.Friedman) >Actually, I like that premise. I think the series would have been really >negative if Misty had left it with Van celibate and non-threatening, after >having lost his first gay lover. Too much like those horrid books where >the hero/heroine has sex, is punished by having their lover die horribly >and then either spends their life living a sexless existence atoning for >their sins or spends their life suffering further slings and arrows >beforing dying of some painful yet ironically karmic way. Stefen's >character redeemed both the series and Van by showing that there is >nothing wrong with being happy and gay and enjoying sex and lusting after >your lifebonded. > >> I still think that Stefan sucked. 'Lendel's the man. > >Must...control...self! Must...bite...tongue! ROTFLMAO! Alright already!! I give in!!! Stef was good!!! I surrender!!! :-) I just love 'Lendel... pardon me... I'm gonna go sit in my corner and love 'Lendel some more... :-P Wait a minute... "suicidally unstable mage"?? Ok, let's think on this a minute. First, I would be the **PERFECT** candidate for a suicidally unstable mage myself. Maybe that's where some of my prejudices lie. Moving on, I would like to ask that if you HEARD in YOUR HEAD YOUR OWN TWIN *DIE*, would you not be a little bit unstable? Let's think on this now and then you can get back with me. Add to that, if your companion REPUDIATED YOU, and SUICIDED, and you WATCHED, all after YOUR OWN TWIN DIED IN YOUR HEAD, would you not be even SLIGHTLY SUICIDAL??? Consider the situation, please. Thank you. 0:-) Stef's kewl. The book couldn't have ended much better. I agree, I didn't want Van alone after all he went through. I'm not *that* mean. Still, I wanted the blonde curls, the lazy sprawl.. I wanted 'Lendel!! I don't give a rat's patooie if he was unstable and suicidal. Bah. So nyah. :-P Nelson Greenslade: > Tylendel also did Van a great wrong, as his suicide >forced him to live a >very lonely life. Sure, I understand that's not how it had >to be, but that's >how it was. Coming back as Stef was about the only way he >could obtain >forgiveness -- not from Vanyel, whom he knew had never >blamed him, and not >from any greater Power, who had know from the start what >his eventual fate >would be once he decended into madness, but from himself. >He abandoned his >lifemate, his love-bonded, the missing half of his soul. >Tylendel was a very >responsible person. The man he'd been growing into knew >that he had to make >things right, and dream-sendings only caused Van more >pain. > Besides, Stef went on to become a great asset to his >people. If he were >so sex-starved he would never have remained true to Van, >and as for as we >know he didn't go on to become infamous for his liasons, >now did he. He >remembered Vanyel for Valdemar, and that was his legacy, >unfortunately out >of sight until Van's barrier fell. YES! ok, this is my point here too... TYLENDEL ***IS*** STEFAN!!! hellooo... I'm just saying that the interpretation of Tylendel coming back in Stefan was probably not what I would have done had I written it. Besides, Stef... Ok, I'm going to shut up now, because I don't remember much about Stef.. I read the book at least 3 years ago, ok? I'll shut up until I finish reading it again... Everyone happy? ;-) -ty ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:11:16 EDT From: SXorceress-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: short fluff, braid of things I just now read. Message-ID: <83557871.36240844-+AT+-aol.com> In a message dated 10/12/98 7:57:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, grenslde-+AT+-nbnet.nb.ca writes: > <> > If that were so, the Shin'a'in would have no reason to protect the > enspelled artifacts of the Silent Mage, nor would Valdemar have that web > thingy, and countless other things like that. Spells theat are permenant, as > the shield may have been, don't vanish, but those the mage is maintaining > with his or her magic at the time leave with the life energy of the one > sustaining them. Really. I always thought that they spells would go down after the mage died, because that was why they kept schools and such so that the spell could be bound to more than one person, and I really think i remember that someone said something about Urtho never moving too far because he needed to stay near his spells. Well, maybe not Urtho, but i remember something that firesong said about a "great mage" never being able to go for from his spells. I though of Urtho, but I don't know. He was speaking in general. Really, Im not too sure this is accurate, cuase i dont run over the my shelf and re read the book just cuase, but I just thought i'd day. =). ALL RIGHT< ALL RIGHT., I ran over the my book shelf and I checked it out...all right, im a hypocrite, but here's the quote anyway...sigh... Winds of Fury by Misty... Firesong is saying "Now, since the shild is linke w/ the heartstone and not to you, it will hold even when you are gone or dead. That is the atvantage of a heartstone; the magics linked to it are perpetuated long past the death of the caster. Any other spells fades when the caster becomes depleted or dies. Distance can weaken the magic too , too. That is why, when an Adept creates a Great Work, he tries to reamain w/ it as much as possible...." and on it goes, but at least I proved my point... Sheesh, I take this wayyy to seriously. hey, Im still sorta new to this. i've been subscribing, waht, a week now? PS, the sheep thing. all right, can I make a sheep joke too? naaaa the ~S!~ Lady Dusk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:11:18 EDT From: SXorceress-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: HELLO ALL!!! about being chosen... Message-ID: <8ad6a51f.36240846-+AT+-aol.com> Danya Winterborn this si the site I found about the reqirements of being chosen, but it's not the full thing... Kissamber's Home Page this is the site that's almost like being chosen, and it's not done yet, but it woill bee sssssoooooooonnnnnnn LADY DUSK...bu bye! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:45:53 EDT From: Scrubjay1-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: WYOMING GAY BASHING VICTIM MATTHEW SHEPARD PRONOUNCED DEAD Message-ID: <76d96d8e.36241061-+AT+-aol.com> I always believed that as I got older things would improve. This incident made me ill. My thoughts and prayers go out to all. MO:) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 21:50:19 -0500 From: Jan aka Nyte Shadow To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Stefen Message-ID: <3624116B.8D3BD252-+AT+-airmail.net> I just have to stick something in here... I love horses and have been bonded with several over my and their lifetime.. I definetly do understand about losing that bonding.. I thought I would die the day my Brandi girl died.. it has left this huge hole in my heart and soul... I am just glad that Van found Stephan and that he had Lendel as his first lover.. I think Stephan kept Van sane after losing Lendel... just my thoughts.. Jan Tylendel Dotzauer wrote: > Kenneth Allan Hyde: > > >Why would anyone want 'Lendel back? I really don't think that a > >suicidally unstable mage is a good thing to have around (unless of course > >you are looking for one of those dire and dark fantasies by Louise Cooper > >or C.S.Friedman) > >Actually, I like that premise. I think the series would have been really > >negative if Misty had left it with Van celibate and non-threatening, after > >having lost his first gay lover. Too much like those horrid books where > >the hero/heroine has sex, is punished by having their lover die horribly > >and then either spends their life living a sexless existence atoning for > >their sins or spends their life suffering further slings and arrows > >beforing dying of some painful yet ironically karmic way. Stefen's > >character redeemed both the series and Van by showing that there is > >nothing wrong with being happy and gay and enjoying sex and lusting after > >your lifebonded. > > > >> I still think that Stefan sucked. 'Lendel's the man. > > > >Must...control...self! Must...bite...tongue! ROTFLMAO! > > Alright already!! I give in!!! Stef was good!!! I surrender!!! :-) > > > > I just love 'Lendel... pardon me... I'm gonna go sit in my corner and love > 'Lendel some more... :-P > > > > Wait a minute... "suicidally unstable mage"?? Ok, let's think on this a > minute. First, I would be the **PERFECT** > candidate for a suicidally unstable mage myself. Maybe that's where some > of my prejudices lie. Moving on, I would like to ask that if you HEARD in > YOUR HEAD YOUR OWN TWIN *DIE*, would you not be a little bit unstable? > Let's think on this now and then you can get back with me. Add to that, if > your companion REPUDIATED YOU, and SUICIDED, and you WATCHED, all after > YOUR OWN TWIN DIED IN YOUR HEAD, would you not be even SLIGHTLY SUICIDAL??? > Consider the situation, please. Thank you. 0:-) > > walk up and down 11 flights of stairs. Nah, I'm not bitter.> > > Stef's kewl. The book couldn't have ended much better. I agree, I didn't > want Van alone after all he went through. I'm not *that* mean. Still, I > wanted the blonde curls, the lazy sprawl.. line-- when Lendel's in the Temple and Van goes to commit suicide, and he > remarks how he's never seen Lendel in anything but a sprawl> I wanted > 'Lendel!! I don't give a rat's patooie if he was unstable and suicidal. > Bah. So nyah. :-P > > Nelson Greenslade: > > > Tylendel also did Van a great wrong, as his suicide >forced him to live a > >very lonely life. Sure, I understand that's not how it had >to be, but that's > >how it was. Coming back as Stef was about the only way he >could obtain > >forgiveness -- not from Vanyel, whom he knew had never >blamed him, and not > >from any greater Power, who had know from the start what >his eventual fate > >would be once he decended into madness, but from himself. >He abandoned his > >lifemate, his love-bonded, the missing half of his soul. >Tylendel was a very > >responsible person. The man he'd been growing into knew >that he had to make > >things right, and dream-sendings only caused Van more >pain. > > Besides, Stef went on to become a great asset to his >people. If he were > >so sex-starved he would never have remained true to Van, >and as for as we > >know he didn't go on to become infamous for his liasons, >now did he. He > >remembered Vanyel for Valdemar, and that was his legacy, >unfortunately out > >of sight until Van's barrier fell. > > YES! ok, this is my point here too... TYLENDEL ***IS*** > STEFAN!!! hellooo... > > I'm just saying that the interpretation of Tylendel coming back in Stefan > was probably not what I would have done had I written it. would not be smart enough to write a plot close to LHM trilogy, but beyond > that...> Besides, Stef... > Ok, I'm going to shut up now, because I don't remember much about Stef.. I > read the book at least 3 years ago, ok? I'll shut up until I finish > reading it again... > > Everyone happy? ;-) > -ty ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:04:44 -0500 From: Jan aka Nyte Shadow To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: WYOMING GAY BASHING VICTIM MATTHEW SHEPARD PRONOUNCED DEAD Message-ID: <362414CC.39750076-+AT+-airmail.net> I am totally in shock.. I didnt think things like this still went on.. My thoughts and prayers also go out.. Jan Scrubjay1-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > I always believed that as I got older things would improve. This incident made > me ill. My thoughts and prayers go out to all. > MO:) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:19:46 -0500 From: Amy Trujillo To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Mathew Shepard and Owlsight Message-ID: <3624184D.6178-+AT+-southwind.net> Heyla everyone, ********************* The woman in the purple tunic kneels, down bows her head, and mutters a quiet spell. Suddenly a patch of ground near the hot springs errupts as a beautiful tree with silvery green leaves and white bark springs out of the earth. "I wanted to do something in memory of Mathew Shepard, may this tree be an eternal symbol of tolerance and love for everyone who is in need." Having nothing more to say she walks over to the tree and places a single white rose at its base. ********************** OB Misty, I just bought Owlsight and all I can say so far is that the Larry Dixon pictures are much better this time. Amy Ferret Friend Lady of All Things Missing, Especially Socks ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:30:54 -0400 From: Tylendel Dotzauer To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: newbies unite! Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19981013233054.006ab3fc-+AT+-pop.service.ohio-state.edu> Lady Dusk: > hey, Im still sorta new to this. i've been >subscribing, waht, a week now? hey i've been subscribing for about 3 days and I've already written at least 10 messages :-) -ty ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:54:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Kenneth Allen Hyde To: Misty Lackey List Subject: Re: Stefen Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Oct 1998, Tylendel Dotzauer wrote: > Moving on, I would like to ask that if you HEARD in YOUR HEAD YOUR OWN > TWIN *DIE*, would you not be a little bit unstable? Let's think on > this now and then you can get back with me. Add to that, if your > companion REPUDIATED YOU, and SUICIDED, and you WATCHED, all after > YOUR OWN TWIN DIED IN YOUR HEAD, would you not be even SLIGHTLY > SUICIDAL??? Consider the situation, please. Thank you. 0:-) I have considered the situation. Surely you aren't trying to deny that Tylendel was unstable, suicidal, or a mage? He was all three of those things. He may have had a reason for being unstable and suicidal, but that doesn't mean that he wasn't suicidal. That would be like saying that someone isn't homicidal just because we know the pathology of their homocidal impulses. Or more directly, like saying that someone wasn't suicidal because we know *why* they felt like killing themselves. And, btw, no I wouldn't be suicidal in that situation. Been there, didn't do that, not going to. Meaning that I have stood on the brink of killing myself and realized that it would be pointless since nothing is forever and sooner or later even the worst things in our lives will change, possibly for the better. I can understand why some people might be suicidal in a given situation and I can even feel sorry for them, but that doesn't mean that I would do the same thing. It also doesn't mean that I think suicide is usually a good choice (for the record, IMNSHO, suicide is only a good choice when the death benefits the living--self-sacrifice, not merely self-destruction). Ty's response to Elsa: > I'm just saying that the interpretation of Tylendel coming back in Stefan > was probably not what I would have done had I written it. Actually, one of my pet peeves with the whole 'Lendel/Stefen thing is that I think Misty copped out with her idea to have Stef by 'Lendel's reincarnation. I would have liked things much better if he had been his own person. He was such a cool person (of all her characters in that series, he was one of the few I felt like I could have liked in real life--and yes, as any oldbie on the list can tell you, I really, REALLY do not like Vanyel). I felt robbed when Misty started hinting that Stef was not just himself. And she *knew* better; she encapsulated the very things I disliked in her reasons that Van should never be told that Stef was possibly 'Lendel returned. Oh well, I suppose she had her reasons for eviscerating the best character in the story (short of Savil who was da bomb!). May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd Councilor of Mist Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me //www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/prof/ken.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 00:42:44 -0700 From: Peter Allen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Mist: One-liners/Tylendel Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19981014004244.007cd100-+AT+-pop3.frontiernet.net> Hi everyone :) *steps on to Council box* Due to the number of posts that have been coming in over the past few days, I would like to remind everyone to try not to post one-liners, or very short e-mail messages, to the list. This creates more work for the machine, Vanyel, that generates the list. Mostly, I've seen a few different types of one-liners. The most common recently have been off-topic posts that have no Misty content in them. Due to the fact that this is a Misty-oriented list, an obligatory reference to Misty (or ObMisty) should be in a post that seems largely off-topic. Another way that one-liners can be avoided is to braid, or combine, several smaller replies into one large reply. While there are a few e-mail clients that a Councilor may not know how to braid in, a list member most likely has found him/herself in the same predicament. Asking the list is a way to find that person :). If that doesn't work, then, again, ask a Councilor, and we will try to figure it out for you, and help you on your way. *steps off of the Council box* --- Personally, I liked the mature feeling that Tylendel gave off. He seemed more.. centered than Stef did in most things, more sure of himself (and I'm talking about the time before he went luny). However, I liked Stef because of his playfulness, and because he's a Bard (love Bards *g*). Soo... I was kind of glad that Van was able to get both of them together at the end :). Wintershard Councilor of Mist http//:www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/pers/misty/newbiefest.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 00:22:41 -0500 From: Jan aka Nyte Shadow To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Mist: One-liners/Tylendel Message-ID: <36243521.55BE1FE1-+AT+-airmail.net> who is a counciler?? I am new to the posts etc.. the list I guess it is.. I would like to learn more is there someone I can ask.. I have been a Lackey Fan since she first started to write.. I have met her in a convention also some years ago.. smile.. she is great.. I have almost all her albums of Filk Music.. smile.. ok.. enough of that.. please I would like some help.. Jan Peter Allen wrote: > Hi everyone :) > > *steps on to Council box* > > Due to the number of posts that have been coming in over the past few days, I would like to remind everyone to try not to post one-liners, or very short e-mail messages, to the list. This creates more work for the machine, Vanyel, that generates the list. > Mostly, I've seen a few different types of one-liners. The most common recently have been off-topic posts that have no Misty content in them. Due to the fact that this is a Misty-oriented list, an obligatory reference to Misty (or ObMisty) should be in a post that seems largely off-topic. > Another way that one-liners can be avoided is to braid, or combine, several smaller replies into one large reply. While there are a few e-mail clients that a Councilor may not know how to braid in, a list member most likely has found him/herself in the same predicament. Asking the list is a way to find that person :). If that doesn't work, then, again, ask a Councilor, and we will try to figure it out for you, and help you on your way. > > *steps off of the Council box* > > --- > > Personally, I liked the mature feeling that Tylendel gave off. He seemed more.. centered than Stef did in most things, more sure of himself (and I'm talking about the time before he went luny). However, I liked Stef because of his playfulness, and because he's a Bard (love Bards *g*). Soo... I was kind of glad that Van was able to get both of them together at the end :). > > Wintershard > Councilor of Mist > http//:www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/pers/misty/newbiefest.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 01:27:28 -0400 From: Tylendel Dotzauer To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Stefen Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19981014012728.006aeaec-+AT+-pop.service.ohio-state.edu> At 05:46 AM 10/14/98 +0100, you wrote: >On Wed, 14 Oct 1998, Tylendel Dotzauer wrote: >I have considered the situation. Surely you aren't trying to deny that >Tylendel was unstable, suicidal, or a mage? He was all three of those >things. Of course he is all three of those things. I never said he wasn't. I'm just saying that life wasn't all peas and carrots for him. PLUS he wasn't ALWAYS suicidal and unstable; merely after Staven's death. Kapish? >And, btw, no I wouldn't be suicidal in that situation. Been there, didn't >do that, not going to. You've had a twin die in your head? No offense, but I've yet to hear of that happening.... > Meaning that I have stood on the brink of killing >myself and realized that it would be pointless since nothing is forever >and sooner or later even the worst things in our lives will change, >possibly for the better. I can understand why some people might be >suicidal in a given situation and I can even feel sorry for them, but that >doesn't mean that I would do the same thing. It also doesn't mean that I >think suicide is usually a good choice (for the record, IMNSHO, suicide is >only a good choice when the death benefits the living--self-sacrifice, not >merely self-destruction). Suicide is personal choice. I have been on the brink more times than most people I know, and for some reason I have not gone through with it. Though in my experiences, what should be the worst seems to just get worse. But hopefully my life is not parallel to yours. >Ty's response to Elsa: >> I'm just saying that the interpretation of Tylendel coming back in Stefan >> was probably not what I would have done had I written it. > >Actually, one of my pet peeves with the whole 'Lendel/Stefen thing is that >I think Misty copped out with her idea to have Stef by 'Lendel's >reincarnation. I would have liked things much better if he had been his >own person. He was such a cool person (of all her characters in that >series, he was one of the few I felt like I could have liked in real >life--and yes, as any oldbie on the list can tell you, I really, REALLY do >not like Vanyel). I felt robbed when Misty started hinting that Stef was >not just himself. Ok, wait one cotton-picking minute!!! You're telling me in one breath that Tylendel is an unstable suicidal mage, and then you're saying you really really like him?? I'm confused... And why hate Van? I'm just curious... I can relate to him in most cases, though I've never especially loved him... just wondered... > And she *knew* better; she encapsulated the very things >I disliked in her reasons that Van should never be told that Stef was >possibly 'Lendel returned. If he was told, don't you think he would react to Stef differently? Wouldn't he try to talk to 'Lendel through Stef? Wouldn't that backfire? >Oh well, I suppose she had her reasons for >eviscerating the best character in the story (short of Savil who was da >bomb!). Savil grows on me every time I read the book... although it seemed to take her awhile to warm up to Van... -ty ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 02:24:10 EDT From: Scrubjay1-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Hey to Elsa and 'Lendel/Stef. Message-ID: <22eea634.3624438a-+AT+-aol.com> I would like to share something with all of you. I felt this was important after hearing about the loss of the student in Colorado. When I was pregnant with my daughter. I had a dream where a man and this little girl were sitting on the front porch of a house. The man said that my daughter's name was Mason. That was her name. It empresses me so much that I felt it was right and I named her Mason. My father came to visit about two years later. We are not close. Being the daughter of a retired policeman has more bad memories that good. But we did have a good visit. At one point he asked me why I had given my daughter the name Mason. He got real quite. He then told me about a friend of his named Mason. He said that he (my dad) was in the MPs at Camp Polk Louisiana. I was just a baby at the time. He told me that Mason was one of the best friends he had and that Mason was gay. This was in the 'fifties' so everything was kept very quite. The hardest thing for my father was having come to work one morning and hear that his friend was killed. Mason had given a lift to one of the GI's on base and he was robbed and killed by this soldier. There had never been any mention of Mason that I could recall before Dad had told me. He kept asking me about my reasons and I finally told him my dream. I actually saw him shudder. I know I was a little hard on the soul of Lendell/Stefan bit. But then I have to realize that I have what I feel is a true life experience. MO:) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 04:06:20 EDT From: Shadwstakr-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Owlsight art and wedding ceromony-------Owlsight spoiler Message-ID: <19527e9.36245b7c-+AT+-aol.com> Heyla Listsibs, Before I start if you haven't read Owlsight yet and don't think you can go look at the art in the book without reading it then don't get involved with this one.:) And to the oldsters of the list, I know that art discussions have been beaten into the ground mercilessly so I am sorry if I start another one, but this is just one I had to express. Is it just my imagination or does the picture of Shandi and her Companion at the beginning of chapter 13 make Shandi look like a monkey or maybe a cat?? I could not get over this one. It was said in the book that Shandi and Keisha had almost the same features. Now you look at the picture of Keisha at chapter one and I think someone needs to explain their definition of "almost the same" to me. They look nothing alike, if it were not stated about Keisha's personality I would think that the boys would be going after her and not Shandi, but that is just me. I just kept looking at those two pictures and thinking "they are sisters??" anyway does anyone out there disagree or agree? ---------------------------------WARNING if you could resist reading looking at the art don't go any futher....another topic in Owlsight WARNING----------------------------------------------------------- §§Shadow Stalker§§ And last thing the wedding ceremony of Snowfire and Nightwind, those vows that the witnesses said to them. Was there ever more truth spoken about a joining/marriage? Things like the joining was partnership not two people becoming one. And everything else I was really touched by those words, and I would not be surprised if someone out there decided to use a modified version of the same vows, I know I would if the chance arose. There was no sugar coating of what was going to happen through out the marriage at all, I like that. Anyway what was your take on this particular subject, anyone? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 09:27:22 +0100 From: "Alexia/Sabrina" To: Subject: Re: a M.L. question on books Message-ID: <027a01bdf75b$58a16a20$95cf28c3-+AT+-i.casale> >I'm not a strong believer in intelligence tests, however. There are a lot of people who are *very* smart who just don't do well on written tests.And there are a lot of people who do well on written tests, but who can't necessarily apply that level of skill to other areas of life. Well I'm dyslexic and whenever I do a conventional IQ test I come out as stupid... but when I do one that's geared to cut out some of the dyslexic effects I do like 40+ points better... basically dyslexics understand words in different ways so, as conventional IQ tests are often about word patterns and connection, a dyslexic will not see the normal patterns... well if you start transposing letters patterns in words are not exactly very good OB misty: is anyone else here dyslexic because I find I modify the names in my head so I can understand them better and stop the letters moving aorund so much. I also read by recognition... I very rarely actually READ a name- I just recognise it and substitute in my version of code for the character... Lex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:18:02 +0100 From: "Alexia/Sabrina" To: Subject: Re: Owlsight art and wedding ceromony-------Owlsight spoiler Message-ID: <029801bdf75b$f21b4540$95cf28c3-+AT+-i.casale> > Is it just my imagination or does the picture of Shandi and her Companion at >the beginning of chapter 13 make Shandi look like a monkey or maybe a cat?? I agree totally... I thought for someone who's mean to be beautiful it was a horrible picture... and i HATE the one of Kero at the back > And last thing the wedding ceremony of Snowfire and Nightwind, those vows >that the witnesses said to them. Was there ever more truth spoken about a >joining/marriage? That really was very touching... the sort of thing I wouldn't mind having if I was ever going to marry... something non-religious and just... well... so well formed really... Sorry... this isn't a very long message... hm... what else can I add... Oh in owlflight- I wished there was another picture of darian... not just the front cover... that was a bit disappointing... also is there a picture of summerdance anywhere in owlsight? Alexia ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 13:24:08 +0300 From: Tatjana Schwabe To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Stefen & Owlflight Message-ID: <36247BC8.8AD17B57-+AT+-usa.net> I think the reason why I was disappointed in Stefen was that he couldn't talk to Van mind to mind..... that's why he said that he could only show his love to him through sex..... okay, if I remeber right, the lifebond got them some sort of connection, but still it isn't the real thing..... I guess that was just always my dream - after reading too many Darkover and Valdemar novels - that it would be wondeful to be able to share thoughts with a beloved person..... Owlflight: My, did I miss something?! I have to admit that I had to go to amazon.com to find out whether I knew that one.... and then I realized that I missed these new books!! Comes from living in Germany and having an English bookshop with a fantasy-hating owner I guess..... I'll just have to order them..... as soon as I have money... (and pretty soon that will be - not... but then again, if it's for books.... it's a good cause... now you know why I'm always broke.....) I was very upset to hear from the list about the killing of Matthew Shepard.... I just can not believe that this happened.... I really don't know what to say...... although I have foung the love of my life to be a male person, I could have just as easily imagined finding a woman whom I love..... how can people be so ignorant?! But then again, even my male friends, although they say they have no problems with gay people - although they don't know any - are suddenly very frightened when someone thinks they might be gay...... and rush to 'reassure' the person they talk to, that they are 'normal'...... sad! Still: Bright the day Tatjana ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:08:00 +0300 From: Tatjana Schwabe To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: dyslexic? Message-ID: <3624941F.71A5007E-+AT+-usa.net> Alexia/Sabrina wrote: > >OB misty: is anyone else here dyslexic because I find I modify the names in > my head so I can understand them better and stop the letters moving aorund > so much. I also read by recognition... I very rarely actually READ a name- I > just recognise it and substitute in my version of code for the character... Well, I'm not dyslexic (at least not that I would know...) but I don't always read names right.... sometimes I realize in the third book of a series, that the name I thought to be right is in fact not correct, but has letters the wrong way around..... But I hardly ever remember the names and read then letter by letter but remember the shape.... that however is how we all read..... so, no dyslexia there..... Wind to thy Wings Tatty ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 21:40:16 +0800 From: Silveyrna To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Longwinded mail Message-ID: <3624A9C0.F24594A8-+AT+-geocities.com> > While the ACT is primarily a test of one's knowledge, the SAT is more > of an intelligence test. It tests reasoning ability, the ability to > see patterns, and so forth -- in addition to mathematical knowledge and > English vocabulary. In fact, Mensa allows admission based on SAT scores, > if you're within the top 2%, since it is partially an IQ test. You know, to my experience, a lot of people i meet on lists like this are in the (proven) very-smart or near-genius range. And I'm pretty sure the rest are as well, just they never bothered or they suck at written tests. If you don't believe me, have you ever wondered how much imagination it takes to tack in all those witty fluff scenes that pepper the place? And most of us seem to do it off the top of our heads. Like Anne with an 'e' said, "my imagination is my best asset!" (or something to that effect :P) People on lists are also a heck of a lot more tolerant. Maybe it's because we discuss things, hear other opinions. People who think they know it all never bother to listen, and they seemto be the worst bigots. They think they're always right. *Looks around and marvels at the atmosphere of absolute peace in this mailing list* I'm also on Elfwood (amatuer artists community) and that place regularly goes up in flames. Just think, a hundred emails a day (I'm not exagerating); a quarter writing pages-long treatises on why they're right, another quarter trying to discuss art, and the rest resending the long-long emails with nothing added on except "Yes! I agree!" *grin* Abby, you don't know what you're missing ;) > I don't usually "invite" myself into fantasy books -- although I've > been known to do that on occasion. More often I do the opposite -- > I daydream of what would happen if certain characters were suddenly > transported into *my* world. I've never done that. I actually have this little universe spinning around in my brain and what I usually do is open up a portal or rift or something, then imagine the reactions. Or I do it between two books. I blithely melded Valdemar and RE Feist's Midkemia. *evil chuckle* Elves meet Tayledras. That'd be fun. They get to see who can out-mysterious each other. This is probably why I'm an imsomniac. You know when I was younger I used to set my alarm clock for 2 in the morning so I could wake up, do some day (night?) dreaming without being interupted. Is all right, I'm not sane. You get used to it. Feist drives me up the wall tho. Why is Midkemia perpetually involled in a war? (Waah! he killed off Jimmy! *sob* And Arutha died of OLD AGE :P :P) Has anyone read Lynn Flewelling's (or whatever her name is) 'Stalking Darkness'? Or was it 'Darkness Stalking'? Or uh, 'Stalking the Darkness'? Anyway, you get the general gist of the title. Now is it just me or does the main character in there just shout Vanyel at you? Manic depressive, Stefen-like lover, too handsome to be true... I admit I can't really remember all that much about it. It was the first book I ever came across with a gay character, and, sheltered that I was, I was too busy blushing to remember much about it. Maybe I'll go look for it again. I recall it was sort of good. Ehe, does that count as an ObMisty? Guess not. *goes to cupboard and stares at the books* I hate living in SE Asia. I swear if I ever pass Uni I'll get a job in an english speaking country with a reasonable supply of books. Do you know how HARD it is to get fantasy books here? I thought of joining QO but the postage would prolly cost more than the newsletter. Good thing no one fairly high up has ever read LHM or Misty's books may be banned or something. *shrug* Muslim country, and all the fanatical bigotry that goes with it. What does this have to do with Misty? *scratches head* I give up! i can't think of anything! Basically this was just an excuse to bore you all to tears of desperation. And if this doesn't get through to the mailing list like so many other of my mails, after all that typing, I just may cry. PS. I have some questions on the legalese of writing about ML's characters (no not fanfic, sort of like character desc's). Who or where do I go for more info, please? 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