MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1759 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Karse/New Subject by "Alison Bowen" 2) Re: Re: Has the list gone down? by Paustinnew-+AT+-aol.com 3) Re: pronunciation, RL fluff, book list thing, ect. by Tylendel Dotzauer 4) Re: Names by J/D/H Robertson 5) Re: Intro by "Lady Sunhawk" 6) Re: Re: Has the list gone down? by Kenneth Allen Hyde 7) RE: Names by "Old Nicodemus" 8) Re: Karse/New Subject/Much Fluff by Yvonne 9) I'm Back by nathanh124-+AT+-juno.com (Nathan D Henderson) 10) Re: What I did on my vacation.... (all fluff) by "Tea'la S." 11) tylendel & pronounciation by Silveyrna 12) Re: Intro by SXorceress-+AT+-aol.com 13) fluff but important i think..... bear with me by Tatjana Schwabe 14) i know i'm gonna get wet...... ick! by Tatjana Schwabe 15) RE: fluff but important i think..... bear with me by "Morgaine" 16) Re: i know i'm gonna get wet...... ick! by "Phoenix, Guardian of Harmony" 17) Re: Intro by "Shawn M. Durkan" 18) Re: fluff but important i think..... bear with me by Kenneth Allen Hyde 19) Vanyel-Missing parts by "HEUBERGER KATRIN" 20) Evan leshara by Traci 21) pronunciation/non-Velgarth/prejudice/justice and much more! by "Rhiannon Shadowsong" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 14:53:28 PDT From: "Alison Bowen" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Karse/New Subject Message-ID: <19981019215329.5028.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> >OB Misty: I hope she writes more about >Karse. I liked the Firecats and think the story can go pretty far. I >loved Altra I guess cuz I have had cats all my life. And she has a >pretty good insight to the attitude of some cats I've known. Well here I am, trying to be brave and fearlessly introduce a new subject. (Being a newbie.... a bit worried about getting splooshed or something similar...) Unfortunately this might not even be a new topic as I have only been a member of the list for a very short time. Anyway - Somebody has obviously had the same idea as me i.e. more books about Karse - but I was interested in something a bit more specific. You know, perhaps a book about Alberich's life. We all know he is Selenay's Weaponsmaster - and that something dreadful (?) happened in Karse to make him leave, but how did he end up trusted by the Royal Family of Valdemar, saving Selenay's life from her power mad Rethwellian husband? Would love to know more details of his life - Is there anyone out there who feels the same? Am on holiday visiting the U.S at the moment so will not be able to read my messages as often as usual but being a part of something like this - where so many people share my interests has been fantastic. I am used to being regarded as "odd" for my tastes in literature etc. Thank you all. Alison P.S I am a 31 year old english woman, who works in the media industry and uses my reading to keep me sane. | ______________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 18:57:24 EDT From: Paustinnew-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Re: Has the list gone down? Message-ID: Best way to determine if list has gone down is to post something to it. If it comes back, then we're all just being lazy about writing that day. 8-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 18:56:47 -0400 From: Tylendel Dotzauer To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: pronunciation, RL fluff, book list thing, ect. Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19981019185647.006a7154-+AT+-pop.service.ohio-state.edu> >Silveyrna wrote: >>>I was just curious, but how do you pronounce Tylendel? I do it >'tee-lern-dehl'.>> > >I say tylen-dehl because the 2nd part, 'lendel, i would say exactly how >it looks, and the first part just sounds better as "ty" instead of >"tee," IMHO. I agree. I've been going by the online handle of Tylendel McCartney for several years now, and am considering changing my name completely in the near future... and while this is coming from people who have not read ML books ;-)> I have been called Ty for years now. I was kinda pissed at first but now I actually really like it. Just my 2 cents. >shaych i say shay-ch i say tayledras tay-led-ras, selenay >sell-a-nay, for karal i just say "that "k" guy... carol? >caral?" I'm not good at pronunciations so I'll leave this alone.. but anyone know of where the accents on the word would fall, like tayledras? Just curious... >I forget who wrote: >> What really gets me is the suggested pronounciation for Van. Those >of> you who know and use the pronounciation cover your ears. I "grew up" >calling> Vanyel "van-yell".Help me, poor and ignorant that I am..... >though I will propably regret to hearit - what is the suggested >pronounciation for Van?? (I always thought it wasvan-yell too....) >SORRY!!!> > >i too think it should be Van-yell but doesn't misty suggest Vaghn-yhel? >i think that sounds prissy... like van at the beginning. but then you >would also have to say "Vaghn" insteada "Van"!! ick!! You have to be kidding me... I hadn't heard of this. I know Van was supposed to be presented as an arrogant prick at the beginning of Magic's Pawn, in some ways anyway... I think that's a little overdoing it. >as for the religions/predudice thread, my best friend (for *10* years- >since preschool- now we're in JH- different schools) isn't allowed to my >house because her parents think that my house will somehow "corrupt" her >or something. they are Christian, and they don't except my mom. her >family still like me, and are very civil and not at all cold to my mom, >but she can't come to my bday parties or sleep over or anything. i >hardly see her now. she wrote an article for the Mercury (celebrations >section) for my bday and it got published- she means a lot to me but her >parents have somewhat ruined my life. One of my closest friends through most of high school was bisexual and I think if my parents had ever found that out they would never had let her into the house as well. Lucky for me what they didn't know didn't hurt them... ;-P Izzy: > Inviting characters into your world: Oh yeah. I >mix novel chars >with me, my characters, anything going on there. It's Fun. >:) And it gives >me something to think about in boring classes, like PE. >(Pointless, >pointless, stupid class! Sorry, had to do a brief rant.) I agree with you MUCHLY on the PE thing. Of course what always got me is the bitter trend of the fact that my PE teachers were always the cheerleading captains at the local high school about 8 years previous... and still just as dim-witted... ;-) > Dreams: Mine usually involve being persued by >carnivorous lime >Jello, kissing a guy and biting off his tongue, and other >happy and fun >stuff like that. :) I think I have you beat!! I tend to have dreams about climbing through pyramids searching for my best friend and finding secret closets full of dead fish... Of course then there's when I dreamed that my sixth grade teacher died and I found out the next day that she was dead... but I digress... :-) > Tylendel-Stefan: Several opinions here. First, I >got rather pissed >off at Tylendel after Staven's death. Yes, it's horrible. >Yes, it's >traumatic. Yes, I'm sure that having the mental thingie >made it worse. >Still doesn't give him an excuse for what he did in my >mind. Wanted to tell >him 'It's painful. Deal with it. Move on.' Vengeance is >well and good if >you can afford it, but..a) he should have gone after Evan >Leshara, >personally, and not unleashed the wyrsa on a bunch of >people who didn't >know anything about it. b)He should /not/ have involved >Van, who wasn't >part of the feud in the first place. Yeah yeah yeah... ok, I know you guys are probably all sick of me taking 'Lendel's side in most things... but hell, I love him... :-) some might say it's an unhealthy love but anyhoo... 'Lendel couldn't really have gotten *just* Evan Leshara on his own. To do so he probably would have had to do it *at* Haven, since Evan was there trying to get the ear of the Queen, and with all the Heralds based there, any kind of magic he would have used would have been very obvious and quickly detected. Then where would that leave the Heralds? Do they convict him of murder or just lock him in a cell for the rest of his life? That doesn't seem like a good decision all around. And as for not getting Van into it, 'Lendel should have thought about that when he started sending Van to see Leshara. After that it was too late to keep Van out of it. And like they said several times, Van and 'Lendel *didn't* fight, because they knew that at any point in time the whole charade could be ended by a wrong move and they would never be able to see each other again, and didn't want their last words together to be in anger. So honesty was the only policy in that situation. Plus 'Lendel and Van lifebonded after Staven's death, making it even harder for 'Lendel to hide something from Van. Plus 'Lendel was still relatively weakened after his backlash shock from Staven's death and couldn't have done in Leshara on his own, even if he was just trying for Evan, I bet. Just my way of thinking. >On Stefan and Van: >Hey, what's >/wrong/ with being sexually driven? I like Stefan, but I >don't think he >needed to have been the reincarnation. Keren re-bonded, so >Van could've >done the same without it being the same person. Savil and >Van-I'm one of >the few people who sees very little wrong with the way >Vanyel acts at >first. There is nothing /wrong/ with not going around >being soppy and >emotional. However, in this particular case, it probably >was a problem. There's certainly nothing wrong with being soppy and emotional. But there is a point, however gray it is, that you can get too attached and not stand up for yourself-- when the line between you and the person you love becomes too mixed to differentiate, like that you can't have one without the other type thing :-) But I agree about Stefan... sure, I wanted Van to have someone, and the idea was a good one, but it just didn't pan out quite right. He should have rebonded. Whelp... I think i've done enough rambling for one night... I'll start on Magic's Price now I think ;-) -ty Apprentice of all things Long and Detailed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 12:35:35 +1300 From: J/D/H Robertson To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Names Message-ID: <362BCCC7.2E58CFBA-+AT+-ihug.co.nz> Hey again, Old Nicodemus wrote: > *rueful chuckle* Alas, the rat fails to remember the exact details. > Apparently in a chat or something Misty herself suggested Van's name be > pronounced a certain way. LOL The "y" became incredibly softened or > something along those lines. How does a y become softened???? What does that sound like? I dont get it. *Desperately trying to think of something else to say....umm...* I'm running out of Velgarth books to read (arrgghh) and I feel a little "apprehensive" about reading Mistys other books...will I be disappointed when I read them? Ok so that wasn't much of a post. SORRY! Zhai'helleva Heather ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:45:50 PDT From: "Lady Sunhawk" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Intro Message-ID: <19981020004550.20913.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Greetings listsibs, coming out of my semi-lurkdom, eugh, PSATs tomorrow :(P >Oh, I've only read The Arrows of The Queen series but I LOVE them and have >read them each 3 times. > >Adios, >Shawn :) Hello Shawn, and welcome to the list! I hope you enjoy it here, and remember, the people with the buckets mean you know harm. honest. :) Well, I posted this awhile ago but it never quite made it on to the list (and if it did, I'm sorry!) Someone mentioned finding Mardic and Donni boring.....I must disagree! Yes, they are not the most fascinating characters in the book, but I really liked them, they were kind of like Bors and Regan in Parke Godwin's Beloved Exile (just curious, anybody else here like Godwin's work?), a nice married couple who were not unbalanced or ready to kill one another or themselves. I'm not sure *why* I noticed them, but I was really sad and angry when they were killed! Rest you gentle, Lady Sunhawk and Natha the Salamandre http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/7835/page1.html ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 21:53:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Kenneth Allen Hyde To: Misty Lackey List Subject: Re: Re: Has the list gone down? Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Oct 1998 Paustinnew-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > Best way to determine if list has gone down is to post something to it. If it > comes back, then we're all just being lazy about writing that day. 8-) No. This is not a good way to find out if you are on the list. It's basically just spam and wastes bandwidth. Remember, one-liners are a bad thing. The best way to tell if you are on the list and things are kopecetek (or however you spell it) is to post a message to the listproc with a "which" command. That will tell you which lists you are subscribed to. If you don't get a reply, you can assume that the listproc is down and that is why you aren't getting mail. May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd Councilor of Mist Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me //www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/prof/ken.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:05:15 -0400 From: "Old Nicodemus" To: Subject: RE: Names Message-ID: <00e201bdfbce$13eee520$294d82d0-+AT+-oldnic> > How does a y become softened???? What does that sound like? I dont get > it. Uhm, sorry. I wasnt exaclty clear on what it was called. What I ment was that I had *thought* (later proved wrong ) that the "y" became almost silent, rendering something along the lines of "van-el". But again, I was wrong. Umm, sorry, I cant think of an ObMisty. Im fighting the flu and the meds are kicking in. Night all, this Rat is heading for sleepy-ville. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:06:24 -0700 From: Yvonne To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Karse/New Subject/Much Fluff Message-ID: <362C1A50.3283-+AT+-planet.eon.net> Heyla! No I did not get eaten by a huge purple monster, or run away to live with the goldfish in a utopian society. ;) I think the list might be a bit slow right now bc ppl just dont have a lot to say. It happens. Hey Elsa - do I get a penguin stamp? *begs* > Anyway - Somebody has obviously had the same idea as me i.e. more books > about Karse - but I was interested in something a bit more specific. > You know, perhaps a book about Alberich's life. There's a short story about Alberich being Chosen in a Horsefantastic somewhere. It's been years since I've found it tho (poor organization on the part of my library, and being a jobless student I have no $$ to pay off my library fine) Oh, and *With an evil grin, Yvonne WHIPS out her Enchanted Buckeet (tm) from one of her pockets, and-* ~~~SPLOSH~~~ Welcome to the MLML! Really! Buckets aren't scary! And if you ask nicely, I'm sure there will be tonnes of people with towels for you. :) Any questions that aren't on the Newbiefest ... DARN IT! Someone stole my sticky note. >:( Anyhoo, if not on the address-less Newbiefest, try a Councillor. :) I'm desperatly searching for more Misty stuff to account for all the Fluff. Oh! An inconsistancy in the Fire Rose - Rose gets a red packt from Master Pao for Jason, but when she actually gets the Salamander to make the tea for him, it's white, which were herbs origonally for stamina. Uh, in the Di books, did anyone else seem to get the impression that Misty had done a lot of writing on type writers? (re-typing & re-typing and re-typing...) Or from Jinx High that she had got many letters from ppl with 'ideas' who wanted them written up by her, and then have them share the royalties? Just my impression. Rhiannon wrote: > ::dumps the happy bucket!:: Dang it! Beat me again! ;P Ty & someone else wrote: > Dreams: Mine usually involve being persued by >carnivorous lime >Jello, kissing a guy and biting off his tongue, and other >happy and fun >stuff like that. :) > I think I have you beat!! I tend to have dreams about climbing through > pyramids searching for my best friend and finding secret closets full of > dead fish... What about weird plumbing involving those weird turtles from Mario Bros, a rollercoaster, cottage cheeze, and a wheat feild? (I'm not kidding) I had another one about a guy in a leather jacket who chased me all through these waist high mushrooms. That was one of those dreams where you can't run. It's very frustrating. > > From: MacFey > > Compile a list of 10+ ___(1)____ books that deal with the topic of > > _____(2)____ for the age group of __(3)___. What about 'Humility Garden' by Felicity Savage? In the end Humility tries to suicide but instead goes blind. On Matthew Shepherd: *Yvonne goes down to the tree and pulls out a small plant - a Forget-Me-Not, and gently plants it at the tree's base.* I'm not so hot with emotional stuff (just ask all the people who call me an insensitive, rude bitch) but I was really upset over what happened to Matthew. We tend to forget about all the bigotry etc. while we live in our own sheltered little spheres. And it's sad that such a tragic happening has to happen before anyone sits up and goes "hey, there might be a serious problem here." I'm not saying that there wasn't a realisation before. I'm saying that not enough was done in time. As for that "Preist", well, unfortunatly I'm not a strong enough person to pity him. I'd go more along the lines of disgust and contempt and anger. I'm tempted to call such a shallow and cruel person 'unhuman'. Maybe 'subhuman' is a better term. No hatred. Just really angry anger. Grrr. Anyhoo, I'm not going to go on about the Vanyel/'Lendal/Stephan stuff bc I don't have the books and I haven't read them in over a year. Although someone said that 'Vanyel' is pronounced 'Vanel'. Sounds too much like vynel (as in records, in case my spelling is too cryptic ;P) for me. :) WTTW & white chocolate strawberry sheep for all! *blows a kiss to the Phouka* Yvonne Goddess of Kelpies, Selkies, and the Water-Borne Carrier of the Enchanted Bucket (tm) Knight of Fluff and Lady of the OOUH Leader of the Albertan Headquarters for CfWD ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "I just had a battle with an 84 year old nun. And I think I lost." -My Mother ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:24:48 -0400 From: nathanh124-+AT+-juno.com (Nathan D Henderson) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: I'm Back Message-ID: <19981019.192450.3926.0.NathanH124-+AT+-juno.com> Hi it's me Gryphonstorm I'm back. :A graceful gryfalcon lands in the center of the hall syrveying the majority of people lounging in his hot springs. :Nicodemus, I need a favor. You write alot of messages to the group and obviously keep up. So i wonder if you could introduce me to the newbies or recently joined people?: He smiles as he sees the ferrets tying shoe laces together and a large cat pouncing an unsuspecting woman.: I obviously have alot of catching up to do.: I read what happened to Mathew Shepard and i wonder what people could possibly be think while that beat and burned this child. they are the ones who need to be beaten and burned. Gryphon Fanatic, Trondi'irn GryphonStorm ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:56:37 PDT From: "Tea'la S." To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: What I did on my vacation.... (all fluff) Message-ID: <19981020055638.10293.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> >Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 20:04:07 +0100 (BST) >Reply-To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk >From: "Rhiannon Shadowsong" >To: bongokitty-+AT+-hotmail.com >Subject: What I did on my vacation.... (all fluff) > >::A dripping, soggy, and tired woman slogs into the Hall.:: Help. I >spent my weekend camping in Gerogetown (TX). If anyone has been >watching the weather channel or anything they know that it's rained non >stop the entire weekend.... > >Rhiannon Shadowsong >Elf-Girl >Mage-in-Training >Friend to Faeries >_____________________________________________ Wow, Georgetown Tx huh ? I am in Austin, TX. And I am very happy to report it is still raining!!! (sorry all you flooded people out there but I just love rain) About the names...I thought it was Tay-lay-dres, and I have always said Tie-len-dell for the 'lendel thing. ************************************************************ Knight of the Order of Colors Leader of Knights of White Life-chosen of Chata the Flabby Tabby & Bongo the Blondcat check out my page: http://geocities.com/Area51/Dreamworld/4316 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 14:12:23 +0800 From: Silveyrna To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: tylendel & pronounciation Message-ID: <362C29C7.CE6228CA-+AT+-geocities.com> > From: Tylendel Dotzauer > but the Heralds really mucked it up in not getting involved once Staven was > killed, ESPECIALLY since 'Lendel was a herald-mage trainee. > Granted, they might have favored 'Lendel, but didn't they say that Evan > Leshara had the ear of the Queen? I don't think it would have been quite > that one-sided. Perhaps I'm wrong. But they could have done something. Oh yes, They could have. I believe that they would have questioned 'Lendel if they thought he was in any health to be questioned. But they didn't, they waited instead, and so 'Lendel died. Maybe it was because of the lifebond. Stands to reason that 'Lendel could have pulled some energy from Van, that's why he was healthier than the other Heralds thought? > >political implications of that would just be too complex. A Herald that > >has murdered in cold blood? The whole institution of Heraldry would have > >fallen down around their ears. Elspeth would have had to throw him in > >the dungeon at the very least. The fact that he had a reason doesn't > >excuse him in the least. He would have to be punished. > This coming from someone who just talked about how more hatred won't solve > anything? Hmmm... ;-) This not hatred, this politics! ;) > In any case, Tashir in Magic's Promise was chosen RIGHT AFTER he had been > suspected of murdering his whole royal family. Though granted, he didn't, > I don't know how the Companion could have known that. So it is possible. > Jaysen also mentioned in Magic's Promise that he had a trainee who had been > convicted of a crime and was Chosen right as he went to trial. So I don't > believe that that could have technically held them back from reChoosing > 'Lendel. Tashir didn't murder anyone so that's moot. I think a companion would know. As for the one with a crime. Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't that crime stealing or something else non-lethal? And didn't Skif steal as well? > From: "Old Nicodemus" > Tylendal ...(tie-len-dle) > Tayledras ...(tay-led-dre) > shaych ......(shaych) > Selenay .......(sel-een-nay) or sometimes (se-leen-a) > Karal ..........exaclty like Carol Um I go Tay-lay-drahs, shay-sh, Ser-ler-nay, Carol?! Nono it's Kar-rall I'm sure. > What really gets me is the suggested pronounciation for Van. Those of > you who know and use the pronounciation cover your ears. I "grew up" calling > Vanyel "van-yell". O_o Isn't it ? > From: "Brynn/Jennifer Ireland" > i too think it should be Van-yell but doesn't misty suggest Vaghn-yhel? > i think that sounds prissy... like van at the beginning. but then you > would also have to say "Vaghn" insteada "Van"!! ick!! E-ee... is that Vaghn as in Vawn? :P Tho come to think of it, it does sort of suit our peacock, ne? No, Van is better. Good thing it's not a middle name with the first name "Minnie". Silveyrna (there, is the shorter sig file better? :) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ** Elfwood Amatuer Fantasy/Sci-Fi Art Galleries http://www.elfwood.com/lothlorien/artists/gin/gin.html ** Mercedes Lackey Fan Art http://members.xoom.com/MLackey_art/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 02:35:43 EDT From: SXorceress-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Intro Message-ID: All right, Im still sorta a newbie, (Iv'e been on for a few weeks) but do I get to sploooooosh people too now? Weee! Well, mm...as Skan says, "it's easier to beg for fogiveness than to ask fro permission." ::::::::sploooshEDD!:::::: shawn, you poor thing..all wet... The ~S!~ Lady Dusk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:59:29 +0300 From: Tatjana Schwabe To: "mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk" Subject: fluff but important i think..... bear with me Message-ID: <362C34D1.A358B78D-+AT+-usa.net> Hi all, I'm sorry because this is really not very Misty-related - then again, maybe it is..... I am getting a bit worried about the level of vengeance here. I am very upset about what happened to Matthew Shepard and I grieve for his death. I also have no understanding for people who are able to do these terrible things to others. However, I do not wish for their death, let alone think up gory ways to kill them. Of course they have to be punished and it should at least be tried to show them that what they did was wrong (although I know that there is very little chance of them ever comprehending that) - but killing them is not the answer. At least not in my opinion. Ob Misty: Especially with Tarma she often puts expediency first - and if I recall correctly there are some wild punishments in the books (this rapist who has to relieve his victims fears?). Sometimes I wonder, what her views are..... Still being a herald means also to forgive, not to blindly hate and destroy........ Sorry for bothering you with all this, but I think it is very important..... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:55:24 +0300 From: Tatjana Schwabe To: "mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk" Subject: i know i'm gonna get wet...... ick! Message-ID: <362C41EC.262043E2-+AT+-usa.net> Heya all....... Well I have to admit it, I'm new to the list........ short intro: 21 yrs old, studies biology in bochum (germany), blonde (hihi), loves books, fantasy and role-playing games........ hm.... favourite authors..... hm...... difficult...... well of course misty..... marion zimmer-bradley, eddings, feist, pratchett, goodkind....... oh and the wheel of time (although I only read the first four, the others I'm saving up until all have come out, so that I can read them all in one go.....) ...loves of course too her life-bonded ashke (who unfornutately doesn't read - if any of you have any suggestions on how to get him into reading, I'd love to hear them ). Will you now all take your buckets of water and splash me?? I shall prepare a spell first - heat water to comfortable temperature - I *hate* cold water........ and I shall go begging for those towels afterwards...... please?? someone? Wind to thy Wings (since mine are all soggy) Tatjana ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 12:49:29 +0200 From: "Morgaine" To: Subject: RE: fluff but important i think..... bear with me Message-ID: <000001bdfc17$50cc8530$656410ac-+AT+-pc01.tc-systems.ch> Tatjana Schwabe wrote: > Still being a herald means also to forgive, not to blindly hate and > destroy........ Forgive, yes. Ignore, no. Forgiveness does't imply that evil deeds must go unpunished. I always thought that Talia's use of her empaty on the rapist was a nice application of the concept. He will stop to pay for his deeds when he comes to see them as wrong. Ob-misty: what do you think is the legal structure in Valdemar? Heralds hold court in the province, but there must be a stronger presence of law zha'hai'allav'a Morgaine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 07:26:40 -0500 From: "Phoenix, Guardian of Harmony" To: Subject: Re: i know i'm gonna get wet...... ick! Message-ID: <01bdfc24$e39d4900$750c9ace-+AT+-tzarius> *SPLOOSHES* the newbie from Lurkerdom. Just peeking in.. so no one forgets me ;-) Sorry for the short post. Fireheart God of New Homes Owner of the Eternal Contact Paper Giver of the Perpetual Housewarming Gift -----Original Message----- From: Tatjana Schwabe To: tzarius-+AT+-ecsis.net Date: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 3:11 AM Subject: i know i'm gonna get wet...... ick! >Heya all....... > >Well I have to admit it, I'm new to the list........ > >short intro: >21 yrs old, studies biology in bochum (germany), blonde (hihi), loves >books, fantasy and role-playing games........ hm.... favourite >authors..... hm...... difficult...... well of course misty..... marion >zimmer-bradley, eddings, feist, pratchett, goodkind....... oh and the >wheel of time (although I only read the first four, the others I'm >saving up until all have come out, so that I can read them all in one >go.....) >..loves of course too her life-bonded ashke (who unfornutately doesn't >read - if any of you have any suggestions on how to get him into >reading, I'd love to hear them ). > >Will you now all take your buckets of water and splash me?? I shall >prepare a spell first - heat water to comfortable temperature - I *hate* >cold water........ >and I shall go begging for those towels afterwards...... please?? >someone? > > >Wind to thy Wings (since mine are all soggy) > >Tatjana > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 08:31:20 -0500 (CDT) From: "Shawn M. Durkan" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Intro Message-ID: People with buckets? mmm.. interesting. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:18:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Kenneth Allen Hyde To: Tatjana Schwabe Subject: Re: fluff but important i think..... bear with me Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Oct 1998, Tatjana Schwabe wrote: > I am getting a bit worried about the level of vengeance here. [snip] > However, I do not wish for their death, let alone think up gory ways > to kill them. Thank you for saying this, Tatjana. I have also been very disturbed by the level of hatred and ill-wishing on this list, with regard to the Matthew Shephard issue. I would like to ask that those of you who really, really feel that you must dream up violent and grotesque ways of torturing people to death, please think twice before you subject the rest of the list to a description (btw, just to make the record clear, at the moment, this is not something I'm asking as a Councilor, but merely as a list-sib). Most of us on this list are here to get away from this kind of thing in the world around us. We really don't need to hear it on the list, too. > killing them is not the answer. At least not in my opinion. Well, now this is the part where we might end up disagreeing. In this case, I might agree with you, but in general I don't necessarily rule out killing someone as a punishment/solution. I'm a little too practical for that. There are some cases where I think the only options are either life imprisonment or death (when the person is simply to dangerous to be allowed to go free). In those cases, I tend to favor a quick painless death, since life imprisonment always struck me as the crueler of the two punishments. I know that if I were ever given the choice between spending years locked up in a small room in prison and dying quietly and quickly, I would be chugging the poison (or whatever). That was one of my little disagreements with Misty. She obviously favors the vengeful "hurt them over and over and over again" types of punishment, which strike me as a bit barbaric. In my opinion, criminals are like sores in the body politic: you either heal them or you excise them, but in either case, you act quickly and expiditiously. > Still being a herald means also to forgive, not to blindly hate and > destroy........ Hmmmmm. This is definitely something that everyone on this list who has been saying "I want to be Herald" should think about. Here's the reality, folks: faced with a situation like Matthew Shephard, could you really restrain yourself and give real justice or would you be one of the ones howling for revenge? If you are one of the ones who has been talking about your desire to eviscerate his killers, slowly and with a dull spoon, then you really need to be thinking about it. Hmmm. You know, come to think of it, this is yet another problem with Elspeth's character in the later books. She has definitely become an intolerant and vitriolic person. And while she doesn't actually act on any of her "wishes," they really are incompatible with the whole Heraldic Ideal, aren't they? Still, I guess maybe she is just showing that you can be a Herald and still be mean-spirited, as long as you don't actually act out your darker side. May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd Councilor of Mist Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me //www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/prof/ken.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:30:40 +0200 From: "HEUBERGER KATRIN" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Vanyel-Missing parts Message-ID: <4889D4E1D55-+AT+-fsrz1.rz.uni-passau.de> Heyla all, I read about your Karse and ALberich-ideas for new books. Recently I reread the Vanyel-trilogie again and I deeply miss all his years as a fresh Herald. The first book ended than he was still a (sorry)"Teenie" and the second started than he was 28. Perhaps it would not fill a whole book but I also read a book with Valdemar-short stories and if I'm not mistaken there even was one short story about Vanyel. But as you will notice: I'm greedy: MORE! What do you think about it? Tai ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 15:30:09 -0500 From: Traci To: Mercedes-Lackey List Subject: Evan leshara Message-ID: <362CF2D1.A2FBE9-+AT+-oklahoma-city.crosswinds.net> ok a few quick questions 1. could he be related in any way to leareth etc....? 2. Doesn't leshara mean ghost or something? Ok another thing...is any1 on the anne rice ml? i know this is off topic but i keep subscribing and it says im successful but i never get mail. could anyone tell me why this is? thanx for list'n to me ramble hey! I just thought up a new name for me.... Rambling Red Rose!!!!!! :ok now she's lost it.: "who said that?" :I did.: suddenly a white form emerges from the mist. :I choose you mooncrystal: I faint :I am Oriana. My sister Yshara chose your sister.: Oriana looks down..... :oh my, i *must* stop doing that!!!: ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 13:41:57 PDT From: "Rhiannon Shadowsong" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: pronunciation/non-Velgarth/prejudice/justice and much more! Message-ID: <19981020204159.24462.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Heyla, listsibs! I'm in such a good mood. I did athlete tutoring today because I need hours for NHS, and instead of being stuck with a stupid testosterone/sterioid head, I got a nice guy that is somewhat intelligent and payed attention. And I'm getting my pic in the yearbook (I'm in zero extra curriculars, so that's a big deal to me) Anyway.... I've always pronounced Vanyel as VAN-yell. With the emphasis on the first syllable, like "Daniel". I knkow people who pronounce it with the emphasis on the second, and that just makes me think of "Danielle", the girls nam. Hey, he's shaych, but he was never effeminate and foppish (except when he mocked Leren, but that's not the point...) Its as bad as Allanon (Terry Brooks' _Shannara_ series). I pronounce that like the name Allan with -on tacked on the end--- ALLanon. But I have a friend who says al-LAN-on. Gah, but that's feminine! She does it because mine makes her think of Alcoholics Anonymous... She's funny that way, and affords me great amusement. Boy that was off the subject... I just noticed that my dad had "Debussy's Greatest Hits" on the record player... That's odd. I've never thought of classical composers as having greatest hits, although I suppose they must have. That seems so weird to me. ::The shadows behind Alison materialize and congeal into a tall pale woman in a black silk dress that seems to be part of the darkness. She dumps a bucket of water on Alison's head:: You have now been sploshed! See? That wasn't so bad, now was it? Heather: >I'm running out of Velgarth books to read (arrgghh) and I feel a >little >"apprehensive" about reading Mistys other books...will I be >disappointed >when I read them? They vary in quality in my opinion, and now that you've asked everybody will give you their take. Here's mine! I loved Fire Rose and Firebird. I love her Urban fantasies. I don't like her Bard's Tale books as much. They're pretty trite, but still fun. Basically mind candy with little depth, but then, its a sword and sorcery romp, so who wants depth, right? I was a little disappointed by them, but they're still fun. I like her collabs, Tiger Burning Bright is much better than the Elven books in my opinion, but then I don't like Andre Norton all that much, and I think her hand is more evident in the latter. Um, what else? Bardic Voices is awesome, in my opinion, because they're fun, and there is depth, and they're well written, which is great. The Di Tregarde books are cool too. People have lists of all her books, so look there for the names of the books in the series I've mentioned. On the prejudice thread, one of my closest friends as a child was bisexual. She once told me that if I wasn't her best friend she'd have seduced me a long time ago... It was awkward, can I tell you! Anyway, if my mom had known, she'd have forbidden me to see her, since she didn't like her much to begin with. We parted ways not long ago because she got into drugs and the stoner crowd. She's cleaned up tho, so we're getting closer again, which is good because she's pregnant, and needs me now more than ever, I suppose. That's assuming mom will let me see her, now that her "bad nature" has supposedly manifested... (mom's attitudes can be rather disgusting) Yvonne: >What about weird plumbing involving those weird turtles from >Mario Bros, a rollercoaster, cottage cheeze, and a wheat feild? I love those turtles! They're so cute! And if you're weird like my brother, you'll find out that they're really blind, not evil, which is cool. Cuz I like em, and didn't want them to be bad. Hey, Lady Dusk. I didn't ask for permission...just started sploshing random newbies. Hey, its clean, wholesome fun. No pun intended, but I think I'll leave it there... Tatjana: >I am getting a bit worried about the level of vengeance here. Don't be. The list is our place to rant and vent our feelings, and we hardly ever take anything like that seriously and back into Real Life/Mundania. And you haven't been sploshed yet! (I don't think...um...I'll splosh you anyway) ::Raises the ever-present bucket!:: Oh joyful post, whenI may splosh more than once! >hm.... favourite >authors..... hm...... difficult...... well of course misty..... >marion zimmer-bradley, eddings, feist, pratchett, goodkind....... oh >and the wheel of time (although I only read the first four, the >others I'm saving up until all have come out, so that I can read them >all in one go.....) Such similar tastes...::grins:: Um, you do realize that at this rate, Jordan won't have finished the Wheel of Time for another hundred years or so? Just so you know.... Morgaine >what do you think is the legal structure in Valdemar? >Heralds hold court in the province, but there must be a stronger >presence of law In the Arrows, (when Talia is in Orentation) they talk about judges, just not much. And I bet the priests do a lot of judging. Cennydd: >I know that if I were ever given the choice between spending >years locked up in a small room in prison and dying quietly and >quickly, I would be chugging the poison (or whatever). I dunno... Life in a comfortable airconditioned room and a color tv and three square meals a day sounds good to me... Or maybe I'm just a bit cynical about American "justice"... Well, this is getting long and mom was muttering about making a call about an hour ago... (jeex, she always want's to use the phone... of course, she's paying the bills and this is her house and all... ::grins::) Zai'helleva! Rhiannon Shadowsong ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1759 **********************************