MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1761 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Short post warning! by Dancekbg-+AT+-aol.com 2) Re: braiding... braiding... o've the deep mail sea... by "Jennifer M. Shultz" 3) Magic's Price... by Tylendel Dotzauer 4) web sites, con't by Tylendel Dotzauer 5) intro fluff/dreams/coming out/dvandersainf/death & dealing with it/why I'm not a Herald by "Nelson Greenslade" 6) Re: braid by Jolizith-+AT+-aol.com 7) Capital punishment by AERDEN-+AT+-delphi.com 8) Pronounciations by Rainbow 9) Catch up for the last week or so by "Tim & Tiffanie" 10) Re: web sites, con't/pronounciation by "Angie" 11) Stuffage by "Raven Darkblade" 12) Re: Catch up for the last week or so by "Alexia/Sabrina" 13) coming out/ObMisty by "Kalen [One In Black]" <95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk> 14) sorry! another newbie introduction by alice_pretends-+AT+-pathfindermail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 18:40:25 EDT From: Dancekbg-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Short post warning! Message-ID: <263db6e1.362e62d9-+AT+-aol.com> I always said Sim-ree, with a long i sound. i wonder if Misty meant to confuse us this much!!!!!!!!! (do you even dare count?) LOL. The Tayledras/Shin'a'in helped me nada, cuz I can't do those glutteral (or whatever) stops, anyways. Plus, aren't most of the vowels long? I don't like that. Personal preference I guess. Windy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 16:00:04 PDT From: "Jennifer M. Shultz" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: braiding... braiding... o've the deep mail sea... Message-ID: <19981021230004.1616.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Macfey wrote: > ********* VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION********** > > I have been given an assignment that have driven me crazy for days >and I'm hoping someone out there can help. My English class (Juvenile >Literature) instructor has assigned us to do this... > > Compile a list of 10+ ___(1)____ books that deal with the topic of >_____(2)____ for the age group of __(3)___. > > Then we had to either roll a die or chose out of the hat the >requirements. I got stuck with (1) speculative fiction ie >scifi/fantasy, (2) suicide, (3) 9th - 12th graders. This means I can >use the adult fiction section of the library unlike some of my >classmates (one who got the same topic for 1st - 3rd grade). > Okay, here's my list for you, then. LHM, obviously. Piers Anthony's Chaos Mode (definately!) Hmm, What about Romeo and Juliet? Or Les Miserables? Those are classics, but they're the right age level. Hmmm, let's see, what else is there . . . Try something by Ursula K. Leguin, she can get pretty morose at times. That's about it that I have . . . OBMisty . . . Uhhh, ummm, ooohhhh, dang it, my next post will have two! I promise! Also, I recently got on ICQ! Anyone wanting to contact me my #'s 20757780! Jennifer Collector of Unicorns and stuffed kitty-kats. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 20:10:09 -0400 From: Tylendel Dotzauer To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Magic's Price... Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19981021201009.00696c48-+AT+-pop.service.ohio-state.edu> Hee... nothing like reading LHM books in a week. Kinda makes me feel drunk to think about. :-) But in any case... a few questions, and yes, a few admissions have come up about the book. First of all, I would like to say that I liked Stef *MUCH* more the second time I read the book. I take back what I said about him being sex-crazed. I think the first time I read that book I just flew through it so fast that I didn't pay much attention to his character and just took him for a leech of some sort. But in rereading it, I've noticed so many similarities between him and 'Lendel this time that he's growing on me. *GROWING*, mind you, I still love 'Lendel's blonde curls and such more... but Stef's got a place in my heart too. So I apologize to all of the Stef lovers out there that I might have offended. Next time I'll read up first before I open my big mouth. ;-) On to the rest of the book... hrmmm... Firstly, I noticed that a couple of gods' names were mentioned in the book, without explanation. Not that it was any big deal, but I wonder why ML stuck those in there as ambiguously as she did. Second, what with the whole vengence argument going on, I thought I might point out Van's little fit of rage towards the end of MPrice, when the Healer got the shield of the magic power off of him and he went mad killing all of those guys who beat and raped him. Now granted, people who do things like that are the lowest scum on the earth, and I know my experiences have had me wishing I could do the same to a certain individual... it's not worth it. Stef did stop his little fit of rage, but on the premise that it was not the Heraldic thing to do. So, henceforth, therefore, whatever.... Heralds *aren't* perfect. I know some of you don't especially like Van, but he still basically started the whole Valdemar thing, without him there really would be no story, and plus he's like *the* prime example of a Herald-Mage, the one most focused on, anyway. And if he can slip up, I think anyone can. Not that I'm condoning vengence, but I'm saying people aren't perfect. The gods know I don't think that what was done to Matthew Shepherd was even *slightly* right, but it still happens. And vengence is a natural reaction to that kind of thing. Also, I don't know why but I hadn't realized before how fast MPrice ends. It was like, boom, Van's better, and boom, they go out to the Pass, and boom, the army's there and Van sends Stef away. About 5 pages later the book's over. Not to say I didn't like the ending, I loved it, but it seemed very abrupt to me, like ML just wrote an ending to finish it and get it published fast enough. That's all I have to say about that... :-) -ty ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 20:57:50 -0400 From: Tylendel Dotzauer To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: web sites, con't Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19981021205750.006a41d0-+AT+-pop.service.ohio-state.edu> After looking at the email asking for other ML web pages, I thought I might do a little bit of work on my own here... I went through all of my back emails and wrote down all of the web pages I found from people on this listserv. Rhiannon Shadowsong: http://www.geocities.com/area51/shire/3965 Peter Allen http://www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/pers/misty/newbiefest.html Knights of Colors: http://www.geocities.com/area51/Dreamworld/4316 Lady Sunhawk's Tangled Web Inn: http://www.geocities.com/area51/dungeon/7835/page1.html Shadowblade : http://members.tripod.com/~shadowblade/index2.html Rainbow: http://www.leightons.demon.co.uk/index.htm hee... and another plug for my web site... http://www.geocities.com/paris/lights/8308 Hey, I mailed out another list of a few other ML pages this morning that I already had, but I haven't received it back yet. I was just wondering if it got through... -Ty ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 22:44:19 -0300 From: "Nelson Greenslade" To: "Misty" Subject: intro fluff/dreams/coming out/dvandersainf/death & dealing with it/why I'm not a Herald Message-ID: <051b01bdfd5e$550b50c0$8362a4c6-+AT+-epzfbrwg> Sick of hearing from me? *laughs* So don't read this! Right now I have the urge to be contemplative, philosophical, etc., so this letter will be writtin from one of the hot springs in the Hall! *blows a stream of bubbles and sets CD player to continuously play her borrowed Sailor Moon sound track* *Elsa sighs and sinks lower into the relaxing water. She watches respectfully as Kalen make his pledge at the Tree.* Wow. I admire the kind of person who can swear themselves to a cause. Kalen, *she says quietly* you have my full support. *Elsa then reads the poem/song shared by the mage of Green Silences.* Wow, again. Something to try to live by, for certain. Thank you. *adds it to her Tome of Quotes* <> >>POK!<< *Yvonne suddenly has a kawaii blue penguin stamped on her forehead* There you are! Or did you want the actual stamp? <> I imagine it would be frustrating, not being able to escape because all these mushrooms are in the way. I've never had mushrooms feature in a dream, but that's probably because I really like them. I have many strange dreams, though. Sitting class in just my underwear, which disappears as soon as I'm noticed, then shrinking and hiding in my desk. That wasn't as weird as the one where I meet my soul-mate in England when I'm older, and the sequel, where I see him again in the present, but he doesn't see me. Strange things about the mob and bees, all in sepia. Car chases downhill with the Three Stooges shooting sucker-cup darts at us. My really out there fantasies, however, are my daydreams. Many of them revolve around this gay guy in a kareoke bar....yes, that's right, the guy in my head is back.... <> *blows bubbles* You know, I always thought that someone revealing that they aren't heterosexual, when they came out to their friends, faced a lot of "well, no, I don't see you as any different, but, uh, this doesn't mean you're lusting after ~me~, does it?"-type attitudes. In my mind, someone you're that close to probably would have said something along those lines already, unless he or she is very adept at suppressing emotions. When one of my best friends came out to me as a bisexual, I wasn't worried or surprised. Reasons: a) hey, he had his chance with me. b) he was not attracted to the object of my affection/lust. c) I knew almost before he did (i.e. when he was in denial). I suppose all those times I asked him if he was gay and he said no, he was glad that he wasn't really lying. I should have asked, "Are you attracted to guys?" or "Are you bisexual?". *shrugs* Guess it just proves that if you're determined to keep a secret, being literal is an asset. Oops. I'm rambling again. *sinks below surface of water* <> *resurfaces* Oh, dear. I'm soaked. Ummm.....hm. *Mooncrystal has the distinct sensation of being hugged* <> *clears throat* Um, now, about this word. I don't know if you just woke up one day and said it, or if you pieced it together, but may I have a stab at picking it apart? First off, I like it. Now, I just read "Jack the Giant Killer", and the word "sain" stands out from your creation. In the story, it was a sidhe word for things that were good, I think. The Seelie Court was 'sainly', and the Unseelie Host was 'unsainly'. I think it might possibly denote 'holy', or 'pure'. [Remember, this is my own personal interpretation] Well, in any case, it isn't a bad thing. The "dvander" part I of course want to relate to Vanyel somehow, but I'm not going to. And the final "f" I can't analyse either, but it's a nice touch. Dvandersainf. Hmmm. Better than many other words or phrases I've heard. <> Revenge. At least at first. Make 'em suffer for what they've done. But then the rational part of my brain would seize control. Basically, if we lived in an age where swordfighting and bounty hunting were everyday occurences, and for some reason I was a sword-slinging bountyhunter, when that rational side of mine started whispering "if you make them suffer, if you sink to their level, you're the same as them, and then you can't destroy the monster; you become it", I'd do the merciful thing and either turn them over to the authorities who didn't treat prisoners the way my vengeance-driven self would, or I'd give them an end as quick and painless as possible. But then, I always say that I ~wouldn't~ make a good Herald. <> I can see your reasoning, and I'm not trying to challenge anyone's beliefs here, but capitol punishment is a very difficult issue, my opinion on which I have yet to resolve. I actually have a few questions I would like to pose, and any answers or opinions you Listsibs of mine would care to tender forth will be given all due consideration. I'll think before I respond, Pathfinder's Honor. The first thing that causes me confusion is the way the legal system treats the defense of "temporary insanity". Now, I can understand why someone who walked in on their spouse in bed with their best friend might beat the crap out of ~something~. And I realise that if someone does something while temporarily insane they will likely regret it later. In addition, when you are insane you aren't in control, so, does that mean you aren't responsible for your actions? If it does, then I can see that therapy would be favored over incarceration, but there are people who just use this as an excuse. If they weren't ever really temperarily insane and were in full control when they commited whatever crime, doesn't that make them just a little imbalanced anyway? Would they be incarcerated if proven completely sane? How exactly does this work? Secondly, in my country capitol(sp?) punishment has been abolished, but if life is sacred, doesn't that mean that it's better to permanently dispose of someone who will unrepentantly go on killing as many other people as they can? The needs of the many outway the needs of the few kind of thing; sacrifice one life to save many more. In away, by "thinning the herd", removing from the common gene pool people who could pass down insanity to their descendants, does that potentially better humanity or merely make us hypocrits, killing to avoid becoming killers? This feels like it could move into a discussion of concentration camps, so I ask now that anyone responding to these questions on list NOT use the Holocaust as an example. <> *Rhiannon also receives a disembodied hug* I've had people die on me *grimaces* and I have to say ~don't~ do what ~I~ did. Don't cut yourself off from your emotions. If it doesn't hurt you more in the long run by a tsunami of emotion crashing over you when the dam breaks, then it makes you worry that you might be dead inside, makes you question why you can cry for a fictional character but not a real person... I can't tell you which is more wearying on your soul; my floodgates never once cracked. The only time I cried, it was because I felt guilty for feeling no sense of loss. I think it would better to release your grief, to work through it, than to wonder what kind of monster you are that you aren't mourning at all. *Elsa sighs and munches a sheep-shaped chava cookie.* Well, I'm not angry anymore. Now I'm depressed. *splashes unhappily* Yep, I'm definately not Herald material. Heralds have to be decisive and altruistic, but I'm muddled and I manage to turn any topic to myself. *sigh* I thought I had low self-esteem and now it seems I'm disgustingly egotistical. Another thing about Heralds I couldn't cope with is having to leave home (I'm too scared to wander far), and then there's the talents. MindSpeech seems cool but could I resist the temptation to meddle. Firestarting = I'm already a pyro. ForeSight = I don't want to know! Fetching = I'd probably just Fetch air to push people out of my way when I'm walking. Though it would be useful if I left my wallet or my lunch at home... Maybe I should reread Arrows of the Queen. My apologies for the length and general OT-ness of this post. Cennydd, mayhaps you should reinduct me into the Order of Drifting Ashes? *Elsa slips into a daydream, singing "Call My Name (And I'll Be There)"* Elsa One In Black, Knight of Fluff, Member of the Order of Drifting Ashes, OoUH Champion of Jonne, Moonbeam, and Iceshadow, caller of monsters ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 22:16:33 EDT From: Jolizith-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: braid Message-ID: <6ee2c651.362e9581-+AT+-aol.com> In a message dated 98-10-21 15:21:10 EDT, you write: << Help. I'm depressed and I'm angry and I'm having trouble coping. This morning on the school announcements the said that the Coastgaurd found a body and they've tentatively identified it as Fredy Canales'. Fredy was a friend of mine; we were in the same Spanish class, and if not for him I would probably have failed. And now the rumour mills are grinding away... The first I heard was that he killed himself, the second thathe was shot or stabbed--murdered, anyway. The Coastguard and police say that the cause of death hasn't been identified, but that could easily mean they're deciding between a stab wound and drowning. And most people were like "Fredy? Who is he?" or "Who cares about Fredy?" I do damn it! I feel better now that I've talked to people, even if you didn't know him... >> One of the saddest incidents I remember from high school was a girl committed suicide because no one loved her, and, after checking around school we discovered no one knew her very well (just moved there recently, very shy, family probelms). You loved Fredy, that's what counts, no matter how he died. Keep him in your heart. Jolizith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:11:46 -0400 (EDT) From: AERDEN-+AT+-delphi.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Capital punishment Message-ID: <01J3905IEMMA9M570B-+AT+-delphi.com> I work for the local Parole Department in Houston, so I thought I'd throw in my two cents' worth. Hm...For me, whether or not to sentence someone to the death penalty depends a lot on their criminal profile. Is the person a serial killer or serial rapist? Those kind of people, I really believe, need to be sentenced to death. If you've read any of John Douglas' books on serial killers, his estimation is that the possibility of lasting rehabilitation (or any rehabilitation at all) is extremely low for these people. They literally do not think the way 'normal' people think--to the point that their need for satisfaction or gratification overrides their intelligence--for example, people who keep video tapes of themselves committing their crimes. Any normal person hears about this and thinks, "Geeze, how stupid!" But it doesn't matter to these people. What they want is to relive their crimes, becuase those were rare occasions when they felt _good_ about themselves. So, for them, I believe it is more merciful to society and to them to execute them. Manslaughter cases or crimes of passion--I would be much more willing to spare these criminals' lives. Unless the criminal is the battering spouse type, such a murderer is unlikely to kill again, according to one of my co-workers. Battering spouses, we at least know can be rehabilitated. But serial killers or serial rapists--no. Chantal http://www.delphi.com/falkenstone/ Falkenstone Hold Pern Forum http://members.delphi.com/aerden/index.heml Aerden's Homepage ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 21:34:18 +0100 From: Rainbow To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Pronounciations Message-ID: OK, my pronouciations... Tayledras - Tay-LEE-dras Shaych - Shay-sh (as is 'shhhh, be quiet') Yfandes - EE-Fands Vanyel - Van-YELL Tylendel - Tie-Lend-DELL Karal - Ca-rol (as in 'Carol') Urtho - Earth-O or Uh-thro Shin-a-in - SHIN-a-in Stefen - Stef-EN Shenedra - Shen-EDD-ra Ma'ar - MAA-ar (like a sheep's baar' Savil - SAV-ill Cymry - CIM-ree Ashke - Ash-KEE/Ash-KEY Natoli - Natalie (as in English) k'Treva - K Trev-VA Zhai'helleva - Zay hell-EVa ('eva' like 'ever' with an 'a' not 'er') Eleke (OK, I'm /not/ awake!) - Ell-KEY Hyllar - Hi-LARR Any others? *smiles* It's 9pm, I'm /tired/! I /can't/ see Vanyel as a 'Vaugh' somehow... and 'Lendel mumbling 'Vaugh' loses something... 'Vaugh, can you wake up a little?' sounds a /bit/ more unromantic... IMO... *poof* http://www.leightons.demon.co.uk/index.htm 'If you want the Rainbow, _.-~-._ 'I ain't flawed, I'm just a you gotta put up with _.~ _ ~~~ _ ~._ diamond cut in a unique way.' the rain.' ,~ _ ~ -~- ~ _ ~, / /~ /~ RAINBOW ~\ ~\ \ ~Dolly Parton | | | |/-~-\| | | | ~ Tristan 'I don't take offence... I take revenge!' ~ M'lady (Wishbone) telnet://ewtoo.org:2345 (Valdemar (not necesserily Mercedes Lackey), my favourite talker!) ZHAI'HELLEVA! (and I know my sig is getting too long!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 01:34:35 -0500 From: "Tim & Tiffanie" To: "Misty List" Subject: Catch up for the last week or so Message-ID: <00b001bdfd86$090e0280$87b6bfa8-+AT+-tiffanie> Hello everybody!!! We're off and running....well at least we're off! ****************************** MacFey: >Oh, yeah, you know I've been standing here in my oiled sheepskin >bikini long enough... is someone going to splooh me or what? ************************* Amy: >Didn't Bedlam's Boyz have elves in it? I thought that the whole problem >with Kayla was that an Hispanic gang, an African American gang AND a >unsleigh prince wanted her healing abilities for themselves. If I >remember correctly, the evil elf even sent her underhill to the court of >the Unsleigh Queen at one point. Could be, haven't read them in a few years, my bad. ************************ Old Nicodemus said: > In the Urban Fantasy's there were motorcycles that were also > Elvensteeds..werent there?...Im sure there were....so my question: Were the > motorcycles glamors placed on the Steeds? or did the Steeds actually > *become* magickal motrocycles?? Amy: >I always thought that they actually transformed because they were the >same type of steeds that the Serrated Edge series had and they became >cars and vans and things that would be very hard to do with just a >glamour. ************************************* Shadowdancer: >"ENOUGH!!!!!!!! I have heard enough! I suggest that everyone reread the >Mage books, and read it from a different view point." With this, books >appear in front of everyone, and chairs, pillows, and stools appear out of >nowhere. "Now sit, and read!!!!!" Screaming in the halls is inappropriate, as is telling people what to do with so many explanation points. I know you didn't mean it that way. The important thing is to _think_ before you actually _say_ it that way. *grin*/lecture over ********************************** Silveyrna: >Let me argue this. I fail to see how Stefen slowed him down. Vanyel as >much as stated that if Stef slowed him down, he would be left behind. I >also fail to see that he was worrying about Stefen at the precise moment >they walked into the ambush. The ambushers knew that it was a Herald >they were after. They were prepared for a Herald, not just any itinerant >vagabond that happend by. Yfandes made Van stop and make mini-vales for Stefan, instead of forging on because he wasn't used to the heavy riding, and he (Stefan) was riding a normal horse, unable to make the time that Yfandes could. Second, right at the time of the ambush, Stefan and Van were in an argument as to whether to go on or not, shouting loudly at one another. Van's attention was definatly distracted. Especially since Stefan was berating him for being vengeful. It's on page 834 in the 3-in-1 , sorry don't have the regular books. Silveyrna: >*poke poke* you're talking about two different people here. Evan Leshara >wasn't around for many centuries to be corrupted. I think the one above >is talking about Leareth (?). Was 'Lendel set up by Leareth? I don't >think so. That would be a bit far back, hey? Leareth couldn't possibly >have know that the Frelenye family would produce a son that would be the >lover to Van (who also wasn't born yet way back then). It just seems a >bit too far-fetched. Anyone got any textevd? Agreed we're talking about two different people here...you are attributing a post to me that wasn't mine. Leareth had been around for centuries via reincarnation. Was 'Lendel set up by Leareth...yes. It doesn't say so directly, but Van tells how the Herald-Mages had been specifically targeted by Leareth for years, as soon as their magic manifested, if he could get to them. And Krebain was the one who made the actual set up- Krebain was Leareth's creature. I feel that is evidenced by the fact that Leareth/Falconsbane was up to his old tricks of making changlings, I wouldn't be surprised if Krebain wasn't Leareth's child like Nyara was Falcon'sbane's. *********************************** Someone (sorry): > In any case, Tashir in Magic's Promise was chosen RIGHT AFTER he had been > suspected of murdering his whole royal family. Though granted, he didn't, > I don't know how the Companion could have known that. So it is possible. > Jaysen also mentioned in Magic's Promise that he had a trainee who had been > convicted of a crime and was Chosen right as he went to trial. So I don't > believe that that could have technically held them back from reChoosing > 'Lendel. Silveyrna: >Tashir didn't murder anyone so that's moot. I think a companion would know. As >for the one with a crime. Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't that crime stealing or >something else non-lethal? And didn't Skif steal as well? Yes, and I think that there were one or two others that were criminals/had bad lives before being Chosen. But Lendel was _insane_, Van even said so, when he committed the crime, so I think it would have only been manslaughter, at most, as he regretted what he had done once he came back to his senses. Repentance and survival seems to be the key when Companions are choosing. As to Ghost knowing Tashir's innocence? They can read minds at will, they can certainly tell if someone did what they're accused of, its just a matter of whether they decide to interfere. Such as in Vanyel's case where they back Vanyel in his quest to find the mage that was killing everyone, even though it was a case of vengance as well as a need to stop the killing and save Valdemar. ******************************** Hey! I was perusing Magic's Price and guess what I found? "As for the youngsters--", Van continued, grimly, "In case you hadn't notice, no one has had any trainees with Mage-Gift for the past two years. It was never that common to begfin with, and it seems to be apperaring entirely in potential now." - pg 812 in the 3-in-1 which means, that the gift didn't die out, just the active manifestation of it. And since they had no way of activating it, and after Van, no way of training it, it just went dormant or was trained as other for a while! *********************** Alison: >Anyway - Somebody has obviously had the same idea as me i.e. more books >about Karse - but I was interested in something a bit more specific. >You know, perhaps a book about Alberich's life. Welcome! There is a short story called "Stolen Silver" in the anthology "Horse Fantastic" which covers this subject! ********************* I say "Ti (short i) len-del for the record, and syke for shaych....weird huh? ******************* Tatjana: >..loves of course too her life-bonded ashke (who unfornutately doesn't >read - if any of you have any suggestions on how to get him into >reading, I'd love to hear them ). Try volunteering to read to him, while cuddled up on the couch together with some munchies and lots of water. Its more fun when there are two.... More Tatjana: >Everyone keeps talking about serrated edge, bedlam's bard, motorcycle-steeds >and someone's bed they want to jump into......... >Are these books good? If I like her Valdemar series, will I be disappointed by >the rest? I absolutely ADORE those books of which we speak! They are different than Valdemar, because it is the present and there are no Heralds, but there are so many other things that are just as wonderful and so many people to get attached to. Don't try to compare them, just enjoy them for themselves. A paraphrase of what Leo said in Lethal Weapon 4, "Different than Froggy, but still good friends.." ********************** Alexia: >Re: Talia's punnishment at the end of AFlight: If he ever broke free of the >memories he would be executed for his crimes as then he wouldn't be insane >anymore... very dry-double-edged black humour in that. I don't think so, Talia was a Herald, she chose his punishment, that means that if he broke free, he would be absolved, having "done his time". Clean record, not double Jepardy. *********************** There we go...the end, Fini, Dax the Eternal, Goddess of Elves and Unicorns, Evangelist of Low Humor, Knight of Fluff Mistic Watcher of Continuity, Councilor of Mist Homepage: http://homepages.infoseek.com/~dakorillon/dakorillon.html NewbieFest: http://www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/pers/misty/newbiefest.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 20:30:20 +0800 From: "Angie" To: Subject: Re: web sites, con't/pronounciation Message-ID: <01bdfdb7$bb93a5a0$0100007f-+AT+-heraldtg> :Shadowblade : :http://members.tripod.com/~shadowblade/index2.html thanks Ty, for advertising my page... ;) note that it's capital S there though... or else tripod won't bring you anywhere... ;) BTW, on the pronounciation... tylendel as "TAI-len-del" stefen as "stef-en" shaych as "shey-ich" (soft "ch") vanyel as "van-YLE" (rhymes with Daniel... though i sometimes slip to van-yell) yfandes as "ee-FAHN-daes" Karal as "KAH-rahl" Urtho as "ERR-tho" Shin'a'in as "shin-AY-in" She'enedra as "shay-ay-NEE-dra" ekele as "EE-keh-lee" that's all... btw, Thanks for everyone's birthday wishes! :) ( ) Wind to thy Wings <==+==> Shadowblade mindmate to Raul, Elven archer-mage of Fairgrove | | High Priestess of the Goddess of the Elves, High Priestess of OOPS | | Grand Dame of the Order of the Namers, Singer of Fire(Alto) | | Member of the Order of Unsung Heroes (Eldan, Eric, and Terenil!) | | Member of the Mistic Circle, Visit my Homepage ~> \/ http://members.tripod.com/~Shadowblade ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 07:08:45 PDT From: "Raven Darkblade" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Stuffage Message-ID: <19981022140845.28501.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Hm. I'm not replying to as much as I'd like--bad delete button, bad! But here we go. Pronunciations--I have a nasty habit of misreading things, which is why I pronounce 'shaych' 'saysh'. Tayledras: Tay-LEE-drahs Tale'edras: Tah-leh-AY-drahs Shin'a'in: SHIN-ah-ihn she'enedra: alternately sheh-en-AY-drah and shay-en-AY-drah Tale'sedrin: Tahl-eh-SED-rin Selenay: Sehl-EE-nay Zhai'helleva: Zai(rhymes with dry)-HELL-eh-vah Zha'hai'allav'a: Zah-hai-all-AHV-ah shay'a'chern: Phonetic. shay-ah-CHERN Yfandes: Yah(or Yuh)-FAN-dees Randale: RAN-dale Karal: Kahr-AHL Vanyel: The ever-popular 'rhymes with Daniel' Van: Phonetic. Tylendel: Alternately Tie-len-dell and TIE-len-dell Natoli: Nah-TOH-lee Warrl: Roughly the same as 'whorl', but rolling the r a bit. Rris: Riss, again rolling the r. Dreams--I'll leave this thread alone. I don't dream often, but when I do they are *strange*. Notably, upon recieving the gift of a stuffed horse named Starlight (remember Rainbow Brite's--understandably--arrogant steed, anyone?) and deciding (or being told) that he kept nightmares away, I have almost never had a dream that scared me. The mind is an amazing thing. I still have poor much-abused Starlight; he came with me to college. To quote Lyran the Red: Laugh and become rhubarb. Someone wondered how Alberich went from Karsite-soldier-fleeing-for-his-life to respected-Weaponsmaster-of-the-King-of-Valdemar... I expect that's fairly easy to explain. Firstly, he's a great guy. Secondly, he got Chosen--which is pretty much the highest praise of one's character you can get in Valdemar. I'm willing to be he impressed the heck out of Selenay's father. Makes sense to me, anyhow. :) Capital punishment--I don't know, really. I hesitate to make judgment calls on people. It's one thing to be reading a book and say 'Master Eremis. Kill. Kill. Maim. Kill.' (which I did, recently, and got a few odd looks for--but the man is scum) and another to look at a real-life person and say 'Off with his head!' If I had to make the decision, I think it would come down to 'would they do it again?' Was it an accident? The heat of the moment? Are they remorseful/horrified/sorry? Or was it premeditated? Lots of shades of grey here. I tend to think that, in this area at least, a little Mindspeech would make things a little easier. Or maybe not. I do agree with Talia's punishment of the rapist. If he doesn't see what he did as wrong, he doesn't need to be loose in society. Once he realizes how bad what he did was, he'll wake up and they can give him a little therapy and send him on his way. But this sort of thing is easier in books. Most of my characters tend to agree with Izzy--it's evil and it's not repentant, kill it and put it out of our misery. That book report thing--Soemone mentioned Piers Anthony's On A Pale Horse... there are several dealings with suicide in that book, including Zane's attempt near the beginning, Zane's mother, the woman Zane talked out of suicide, and the people in hospital. A good one, IMHO, to add. The other Incarnations books, at least most of them, also touch on the subject... Orlene in Bearing an Hourglass, Ligeia (or however it's spelled) in Wielding a Red Sword. Also Anthony's Virtual Mode, in which the heroine is suicidal. I haven't read the other books in that series. If you can, you might also want to touch on the lesser-seen view of suicide, which turns up in one of its facets in On a Pale Horse: taking one's life for a greater good. To avoid being forced to give information of your allies, to avoid dying dishonorably, as a last gesture of defiance in a hopeless situation, or entiring a fight you know will kill you in order to buy your friends time; or taking someone else's life with their consent to end their suffering. For this, you might look at Tamora Pierce's Lioness Rampant (the description of the death of Thayet's mother, and Alanna's opinion that 'dead is dead; you can't do anything when you're dead') and Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman's Rose of the Prophet books (The Paladin of Night--the knight of Zhakrin's suicide and blood curse on the Imam; The Prophet of Akhran--Auda ibn Jad's last hour and the attitude he takes into it) and Dragons of Winter Night (Sturm's sacrifice at the High Clerist's Tower, always a tear-jerker). I can get page numbers if you're interested. Can't think of any other books at present. I think that's enough for now. Only a day or two until the laptop is set up for the 'net and I won't have to use labs any more! Yay! Also in the process of getting a TV and VCR set up for use. Have to send the VCR home and get the other one; it doesn't work. Also need cable box. Zha'hai'allav'a, Raven Darkblade, Holy Hand of the Goddess of Elves, Card-Carrying Bitch, Renegade Sarcastic Person, Reluctant Romantic, Member of the Mistic Circle, Outrider and Bearer of the Darkblade, Knight and Founding Member of the Order of Unsung Heroes, Advocator of Eldan, Champion of Kethra and Hyllarr, and Devotee of Maclyn; and Mor the raven, her familiar. abbykat-+AT+-hotmail.com http://www.angelfire.com/ky/Ashke/ http://www.elfwood.com/lothlorien/artists/laughlin/laughlin.html/ http://dragonlance.justbecause.org/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:31:16 +0100 From: "Alexia/Sabrina" To: Subject: Re: Catch up for the last week or so Message-ID: <012501bdfdd7$bcbada00$8cc828c3-+AT+-i.casale> >Alexia: > >>Re: Talia's punnishment at the end of AFlight: If he ever broke free of the >>memories he would be executed for his crimes as then he wouldn't be insane >>anymore... very dry-double-edged black humour in that. > >I don't think so, Talia was a Herald, she chose his punishment, that means >that if he broke free, he would be absolved, having "done his time". Clean >record, not double Jepardy. No- it is STATED just after that section that that is what will happen... Sorry... just... well that's what the book says! I'm sick and so I'm excused from texted SOrry for the short post- just wanted to point that out as it's quite relevant to lots of discussions right now. Lex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 18:57:27 GMT From: "Kalen [One In Black]" <95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk> To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: coming out/ObMisty Message-ID: <4A20A2E2540-+AT+-alnilam.mmu.ac.uk> > From: "Nelson Greenslade" > *Elsa sighs and sinks lower into the relaxing water. She watches > respectfully as Kalen make his pledge at the Tree.* Wow. I admire the kind > of person who can swear themselves to a cause. Kalen, *she says quietly* you > have my full support. Kalen leaves the Tree and walks to the pool. "Elsa, may I join you? I am sorely in need of relaxation." > When one of my best friends came out to me as a bisexual, I wasn't > worried or surprised. > Guess it just proves that if you're determined to keep a secret, being > literal is an asset. I kept my secret for many years, I knew I was attracted to males from age 7 and knew that I couldn't tell anyone about it. It was only in secondary school [aged 13] that I was attracted to a female. I think this was in part to cover up the fact that I was gay. I have been attracted to a few women since then but I would rate myself as a 5 on the Kinsey scale. I final came out when I was 24, so I have been fairly open for three years now. I say open I never told my family because I knew it would not be accepted and I was proven right. Like Withen, my mother went out of her tree when she found out [someone outed me] that I was gay and I have had no contact with my family for 6 months. Coming out is very stressful [at least it was with me]. Some people are so comfortable with themselves that they can do it with no problem, unfortunatly I was raised in a very rough area and being gay was NOT an option. I was raised in a climate where homosexuals were hated and so as a result had to hide what I was for 17 years until I went to university. Oh well enough of this jolly banter [sarcastic Queen that I am]. ObMisty: How many more Valdemar books are there due out? I know about Owlsight but I think I read on list about some others. TTFN, WTTW Kalen.One In Black Champion Of the Ladies In Green 95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk uthro-+AT+-hotmail.com http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/7701/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 14:29:54 -0400 (EDT) From: alice_pretends-+AT+-pathfindermail.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: sorry! another newbie introduction Message-ID: <9810221429544B.11611-+AT+-web05> hi all well, since everyone seems to be at it i figured i'd introduce myself. call myself alysen, 16 from england, and carefully doging any spoilers as i've only read LHM, the tarma+kethry books and . . . oh yes, winds of fate. slowly but surely working my way thru the rest. other authors . . . *melanie rawn*, neil gaiman, steven lawhead george rr martin . . . many more. i'm sorry about this but it seems i must start as i'm likely to go on, a stupid question: could anybody tell me what this matthew shepard thing is. i swear i haven't heard anything about it 'cept for here. i sorta got the gist of it but if someone wouldn't mind explaining . . . thanks *~a~* ps. if anyone feels like mailing me for any reason whatsoever, about anything whatsoever, please do [!], i like geting mail ; ) -------------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://www.pathfinder.com ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1761 **********************************