MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1762 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Capital punishment & other stuff by "Marv Watson" 2) assorted stuff by Silveyrna 3) Sword of Ice by "Tea'la S." 4) Re: Fitting words I hope help by "Tea'la S." 5) Re: Capitol punishment / ObMisty by Elizabeth Hoffman ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 22:24:47 -0700 From: "Marv Watson" To: Subject: Re: Capital punishment & other stuff Message-ID: <004001bdfe45$73ec33a0$cc8030cc-+AT+-default> HEYLA LIST SIBS!!!!!! <> Skywolf and Misha give phantom hugs as well. I'm sorry about your friend. Believe you me, I know how you feel. Sounds corny, but it's true. I don't have enough fingers and toes to count the people I've loved and lost to the streets and drugs; suicide, murders and just plain dissappearences. One was my best friend. She just up and dissappeared one day, and I've never spoken to her since. It'll be her 17 birthday next Monday. And you know what makes me sick, is that most people I have talked to don't care about these people who're gone. (I'm making a broad statement her, so please don't take it as a personal offence). The general feelings that I have gotten from those I have survayed (I had to do this for a paper once) was that the people on the streets don't matter. That they are nothing better than the trash left after Fiesta week, something that was once bright and pretty, but is now so grimmed with dirt from those who step on them that they're ugly and foul. And they're NOT! These people were fasinating and diverse, easily the most caring group of people I have ever met in my life. But sometimes people make bad decisions and end up dead, and unfortunatly, that happened to a lot of people I know. Now I know there's always exceptions to the rule, and surely there are those who are on the streets simply because they themselves CHOOSE that way of life and the repercussions that it brings. Some are mentally handicapped, others are so far gone in their drug useage they'd sell their own mothers to get their next fix. But what I'm saying is (and if you've kept up with me this far I hold you in high esteem) that through all the trash and litter, sometimes there is a litle of that same glitter and flash that looked so beautiful as it rained down in the air. You just have to keep your eyes open for it and not just bodily dissmiss it all as garbage. Cough, cough. Sorry, I ramble too much. ::Pulls entire foot out of her mouth:: There I've gone and done it, I ruined my diet. Sheesh, you'd think I'd learn but nooo of course not! Humph! Lets see, obmisty, obmisty.... For any tips on more Misty to read, I'd try out her SERRAted Edge books. I really enjoyed them, especially the ones about Tannim. I loved old Charliss (is that how you spell his name..... too lazy to get up and look). Especially with his appearence in the last book. Now I'll say no more for those of you who haven't read the books. I also liked the Diana Tregard books, but bare in mind, take 'em with a grain of salt and don't go fanatic. I find them much like the Anita Blake books, oddly enough. Anyone else? As for the Talia thing, I heartily agree with Talia's judgement and sentence of the evil nasty man. Yep. Oh boy, I seem to be writing a book tonight! Hmmm...I'll think I'll sign off now and go back to the REAL book I'm attempting to finish at this point. It's getting so I'm beginning to DREAM about my characters.... I love it. These dreams have given me several new plot twists to toy with. Yum yum yum! Strangely enough, ya know I have a friend named Talia.... hmmm maybe it's a sign, Misty and her followers are going to take over the world by stealth.. hmmm... tempting.... Out of what left field did that come from? I definently think that's a sign of too much computer, not enough sleep and too much calculus homework for one day. Oh yeah... I'll just tip toe on out of here... ::takes of at a dead run with Misha hard on her heels:: LATER! I sincerely hope I haven't angered or offended anyone in this post. It wasn't my intention. Lindy Sheep to ALL; Skywlf and Misha Priestesses of the Orders of: John the Guitar Player Buddah the Drum God & Rob the Guru Guy Priestesses of the Kellie, the Goddess of all things Kate Priestesses of OOPS Members of OOUH Members of the OIB The First Champions of Firesong! "An' it don' mean a thing, if it ain't got that swing...." - Miles Davis ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 14:26:30 +0800 From: Silveyrna To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: assorted stuff Message-ID: <36302196.E2AE22AA-+AT+-geocities.com> > From: Tatjana Schwabe > WHAT!!! I thought the eighth one would be long out by now..... But there > are only supposed to be ten books in the series, right?? I just thought it would > be nicer to wait, as I read the first four or so and liked them so much, but > realised that the story is just too complex to have a year-break in between... > so I would have to reread them every time a new one came out..... just thought I > could wait because at that time Crown of Swords was already out..... I forgot completely what happened so far! :( You may have it there. tho to wait for another 3 or more years before he finishes... that's only if he decides to stop at book 10. Dunno tho. through the years the book prices may go up. It's prolly cheaper to get em now. > From: efluharty-+AT+-juno.com (Ellen K Fluharty) > To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk > Subject: webpages > Message-ID: <19981021.103544.4286.0.efluharty-+AT+-juno.com> > > I'm trying to start my own homepage.....but I'm looking for links to > Lackey related stuff. Does anyone know any good ones besides the > Firebird site? *looking around the hall hopefully* I've got some of the best on my Links page (second link below). I think I've managed to winnow through all those repetitive sites with cover art and back page blurbs (stolen from amazon.com) and the best so far are there. No multiple pages all selling ML books.Of course, theres also my site *grin* (plug plug!) > From: "Jennifer M. Shultz" > Okay, here's my list for you, then. LHM, obviously. Piers Anthony's > Chaos Mode (definately!) Hmm, What about Romeo and Juliet? Or Les > Miserables? Those are classics, but they're the right age level. Les Miserables? That's not fantasy/scifi. And the only one who suicides is in his 40's or more. Silveyrna ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ** Elfwood Amatuer Fantasy/Sci-Fi Art Galleries http://www.elfwood.com/lothlorien/artists/gin/gin.html ** Mercedes Lackey Fan Art http://members.xoom.com/MLackey_art/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 01:04:39 PDT From: "Tea'la S." To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Sword of Ice Message-ID: <19981023080440.2277.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> >From: Dancekbg-+AT+-aol.com >To: bongokitty-+AT+-hotmail.com >Subject: Short post warning! Re: pronunciation, RL fluff, book list thing, ect. >Short post Warning! I just realized that I don't say Tuh-len-dul, I say Tlen- >dul. Like, only two syllables. how does everyone say Yfandes? i say Yuh- >fan-deez. >Just wondering! >Windy > I have always said it as E-fandes. By the way...how come no one ever talks about Sword of Ice ? I loved the book. And can anyone tell me the books in the Bards ? I think I have the 1st one if it is "Bardic Voices" but I could never finish it. Maybe I'll try again. And I ordered a catalog from Firebird Arts, got the cancelled check back but never received any catalogs. Any one else have this problem ? ************************************************************ Knight of the Order of Colors Leader of Knights of White Life-chosen of Chata the Flabby Tabby & Bongo the Blondcat check out my page: http://geocities.com/Area51/Dreamworld/4316 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 03:46:33 PDT From: "Tea'la S." To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Fitting words I hope help Message-ID: <19981023104634.9490.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> My heart cries for all of those who have lost beloved ones, and even strangers who have left this life, I have been reading over all the messages we have all written and I found myself thinking of these words... Sorry I never told you, All I wanted to say, And now it's too late to hold you, Cause you've flown away, So far away, Never had I imagined, Living without your smile, Feeling and knowing you hear me, It keeps me alive...Alive. And I know you're shining down on me from heaven, Like so many friends we've lost along the way. And I know eventually we'll be together, One sweet day. Sorry I never showed you, Assumed you'd always be there, And I took your presence for granted, But I always cared. And I miss the love we shared... Although the sun will never shine the same, I'll always look to a brighter day, Lord I know when I lay me down to sleep, You will always listen when I pray. And I know you're shining down on me from heaven, Like so many friends we've lost along the way, And I know eventually we'll be together, One sweet day! Thanks and credit to Boyz II Men for these lyrics. The 1st time I heard the song I cried. I have lost people along the way that I felt I could not get by without and wanted to die with them, and I know I will meet more. But that is a part of life. People die. People go away, but we will endure the loneliness and sorrow as best we can till we are able to join them when our time is due. I have read and re-read my Valdemar books in times of loneliness and sorrow when there was no one I could share the pain with, and while a book can not take the place of real live arms holding you while you cry in anger and frustration, a well loved book can help the pain pass over and I don't feel so loney anymore. ************************************************************ Knight of the Order of Colors Leader of Knights of White Life-chosen of Chata the Flabby Tabby & Bongo the Blondcat check out my page: http://geocities.com/Area51/Dreamworld/4316 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 12:47:11 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) From: Elizabeth Hoffman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Capitol punishment / ObMisty Message-ID: Elsa said >Secondly, in my country capitol(sp?) punishment has been abolished, but if life is sacred, doesn't that mean that it's better to permanently dispose of someone who will unrepentantly go on killing as many other people as they can? The needs of the many outway the needs of the few kind of thing; sacrifice one life to save many more. In away, by "thinning the herd", removing from the common gene pool people who could pass down insanity to their descendants, does that potentially better humanity or merely make us hypocrits, killing to avoid becoming killers? This feels like it could move into a discussion of concentration camps, so I ask now that anyone responding to these questions on list NOT use the Holocaust as an example.< Couple of things on this point, firstly one of my lecturers decided to show us just how stupid eugenics really is. It CAN'T WORK. The main example is PKU (phenylketonuria) tested shortly after birth by a 'heel prick' test as standard in UK, US and I think pretty well every developed country, its that common. Tested because dietary intervention from birth on entirely prevents the mental retardation / brain damage that happens otherwise. If you prevent all PKU suffers from having children it'll only take 1,000 (one thousand) years to reduce the carrier rate by half. So stop the carriers having kids? Well between one in 20 and one in 25 people of white caucasian descent carry cystic fibrosis, I think PKU carriers is about 2% at the moment. Schizophrenia accounts for a minimum of 1% , some studies are as high as 3% of the population. What about manic depressives? psychotics? the clinically depressed. If you want to follow this through no one can have kids... Yes folks you too are carrying something dodgy in your genes, whether you meet the right person to have an affected child is a different matter, your chances could be as little as a one in a million or less for somethings. And anyway things like mental illness, heart disease, diabetes, asthma etc all have major environmental factors without which most people don't get them anyway. Also its just a little hard to resurrect someone after you've discovered you got it wrong. Its not that most serial killers aren't correctly identified but that the system becomes very open to abuse. Dead men don't appeal. ObMisty: Heralds change that problem, if you can truth spell someone, or use empathy / mindhealing you've got a negligible chance of screwing up. ---------------------- Elizabeth Hoffman E.G.Hoffman-+AT+-soton.ac.uk ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1762 **********************************