MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1769 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Geographical information? by Adam K Kirchhoff 2) Re: Geographical information? by Jan aka Nyte Shadow 3) Re: the insulting page/van/tayledras by Jan aka Nyte Shadow 4) Re: Lots of stuff & important question (scroll down) by "Amber Hasty" 5) Re: the insulting page/van/tayledras by AERDEN-+AT+-delphi.com 6) Pure Fluff by Amy Trujillo 7) Re: All of the above. by Greg Wooledge 8) short stories by CDyeboston-+AT+-aol.com 9) Tayledras Clans by Dancekbg-+AT+-aol.com 10) Just thinking... by efluharty-+AT+-juno.com (Ellen K Fluharty) 11) Re: short stories by Jan aka Nyte Shadow 12) Re: All of the above. by Jan aka Nyte Shadow 13) Re: feuds/song/favor/college/fan found!/chickens/fluff by Jan aka Nyte Shadow ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 12:04:23 -0500 From: Adam K Kirchhoff To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Geographical information? Message-ID: <3638A017.79A63DB1-+AT+-voicenet.com> --------------6DD1EE707668EC9DCCA6F86D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > But I have to say, between the three sets so far, I'm a bit confused about > the geography of the land. Where White Gryphon was founded compared to > where the Hawkbrothers live, the Black Kings, and Valdemar, etc. Is there a > book, like an encyclopedia to the world of Valdemar, or even a website with > maps to all the books? Some of the books do have maps in them, however I can't seem to remember which ones do and which ones don't. If you get a chance, go to your local bookstore or library and glance through the first few pages of books published after LHM and you'll find what you're looking for. > You know the page that was posted? http://www.godhatesfags.com? well, i went > there, and went to the host site at http://www.megsinet.com and checked the > list of it's customers. the site is not there on the list. I'm as outraged as > you people are, but I can't just write to the email addy since the site wasn't > listed on megsinet. can the person who sent the mail please tell me why? It's > still on the web, so they couldn't have stripped it off... > This is the registration info on the site, as contained in the Network Solutions database: > Registrant: > Westboro Baptist Church (GODHATESFAGS-DOM) > 3701 Southwest 12th Street > Topeka, KS 66604 > US > > Domain Name: GODHATESFAGS.COM > > Administrative Contact: > Phelps, Benjamin (BP1521) godhatesfags-+AT+-INAME.COM > 913-233-4162 > Technical Contact, Zone Contact: > Domain Registration (DR433-ORG) Domreg-+AT+-1STAMENDMENT.NET > 702-314-0333 > Billing Contact: > Phelps, Benjamin (BP1521) godhatesfags-+AT+-INAME.COM > 913-233-4162 > > Record last updated on 01-Sep-98. > Record created on 22-Jan-97. > Database last updated on 29-Oct-98 04:47:39 EST. > > Domain servers in listed order: > > NS1.1STAMENDMENT.NET 209.50.176.12 > NS2.1STAMENDMENT.NET 209.50.176.51 > This is the result of a search on 1stamendment.net: > Registrant: > Free Speach Webservers (1STAMENDMENT4-DOM) > 2550 East Desert Inn. Suite 276 > Las Vegas, NV 89121 > US > > Domain Name: 1STAMENDMENT.NET > > Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact: > Domain Registration (DR433-ORG) Domreg-+AT+-1STAMENDMENT.NET > 702-314-0333 > Billing Contact: > Domain Registration (DR433-ORG) Domreg-+AT+-1STAMENDMENT.NET > 702-314-0333 > > Record last updated on 18-Mar-98. > Record created on 09-Nov-97. > Database last updated on 29-Oct-98 04:47:39 EST. > > Domain servers in listed order: > > NS1.1STAMENDMENT.NET 209.50.176.12 > NS2.1STAMENDMENT.NET 209.50.176.51 > I don't know where/if megsinet.com fits into all of this (or if they dropped the site and it was picked up by 1stamendment.com) but at least we have names and addresses to complain to. My apologies to everyone for being off topic with that, but since we had already been talking about it I didn't think too many people would mind. :-) Adam --------------6DD1EE707668EC9DCCA6F86D Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
 
But I have to say, between the three sets so far, I'm a bit confused about
the geography of the land.  Where White Gryphon was founded compared to
where the Hawkbrothers live, the Black Kings, and Valdemar, etc.  Is there a
book, like an encyclopedia to the world of Valdemar, or even a website with
maps to all the books?
Some of the books do have maps in them, however I can't seem to remember which ones do and which ones don't.  If you get a chance, go to your local bookstore or library and glance through the first few pages of books published after LHM and you'll find what you're looking for. 
You know the page that was posted? http://www.godhatesfags.com? well, i went
there, and  went to the host site at http://www.megsinet.com and checked the
list of it's customers. the site is not there on the list. I'm as outraged as
you people are, but I can't just write to the email addy since the site wasn't
listed on megsinet. can the person who sent the mail please tell me why? It's
still on the web, so they couldn't have stripped it off...


This is the registration info on the site, as contained in the Network Solutions database: 

Registrant:
Westboro Baptist Church (GODHATESFAGS-DOM)
   3701 Southwest 12th Street
   Topeka, KS 66604
   US

   Domain Name: GODHATESFAGS.COM

   Administrative Contact:
      Phelps, Benjamin  (BP1521)  godhatesfags-+AT+-INAME.COM
      913-233-4162
   Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
      Domain Registration  (DR433-ORG)  Domreg-+AT+-1STAMENDMENT.NET
      702-314-0333
   Billing Contact:
      Phelps, Benjamin  (BP1521)  godhatesfags-+AT+-INAME.COM
      913-233-4162

   Record last updated on 01-Sep-98.
   Record created on 22-Jan-97.
   Database last updated on 29-Oct-98 04:47:39 EST.

   Domain servers in listed order:

   NS1.1STAMENDMENT.NET         209.50.176.12
   NS2.1STAMENDMENT.NET         209.50.176.51


This is the result of a search on 1stamendment.net: 

Registrant:
Free Speach Webservers (1STAMENDMENT4-DOM)
   2550 East Desert Inn. Suite 276
   Las Vegas, NV 89121
   US

   Domain Name: 1STAMENDMENT.NET

   Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
      Domain Registration  (DR433-ORG)  Domreg-+AT+-1STAMENDMENT.NET
      702-314-0333
   Billing Contact:
      Domain Registration  (DR433-ORG)  Domreg-+AT+-1STAMENDMENT.NET
      702-314-0333

   Record last updated on 18-Mar-98.
   Record created on 09-Nov-97.
   Database last updated on 29-Oct-98 04:47:39 EST.

   Domain servers in listed order:

   NS1.1STAMENDMENT.NET         209.50.176.12
   NS2.1STAMENDMENT.NET         209.50.176.51


I don't know where/if megsinet.com fits into all of this (or if they dropped the site and it was picked up by 1stamendment.com) but at least we have names and addresses to complain to.

My apologies to everyone for being off topic with that, but since we had already been talking about it I didn't think too many people would mind. :-)

Adam --------------6DD1EE707668EC9DCCA6F86D-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 11:13:48 -0600 From: Jan aka Nyte Shadow To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Geographical information? Message-ID: <3638A24C.EA954A81-+AT+-airmail.net> Geography to the Misty books.. I have the concordance for Valdamar it has a bit in it.. I would suggest going to firebirdarts.com to check it out.. there are a lot of books and info concerning Misty there..I think she is doing a hardcover on Valdamar its what I have heard in the grapevine anyway.. has anyone else heard? just a suggestion.. Jan aka Nyte Shadow Liam R W wrote: > Hi. New to the list and haven't been lurking long, so I'm sorry if this is > not an appropriate post. > First I want to say all I've read so far are the Last Herald Mage books, the > Gryphon books, and just started the Oathbound book--but that's enough to > make Misty one of my favorite authors. > But I have to say, between the three sets so far, I'm a bit confused about > the geography of the land. Where White Gryphon was founded compared to > where the Hawkbrothers live, the Black Kings, and Valdemar, etc. Is there a > book, like an encyclopedia to the world of Valdemar, or even a website with > maps to all the books? > > Oh, and a little comment on how people see themselves: > A friend of mine tuned me in to Mercedes' books, and after reading the Last > Herald Mage books, I told her she reminded me tremendously of Savil, and she > told me she always thought of herself closer to Vanyel. =) > Liam ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 11:20:11 -0600 From: Jan aka Nyte Shadow To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: the insulting page/van/tayledras Message-ID: <3638A3CA.120EE6A2-+AT+-airmail.net> Heyla, I just went to the page about the "fags" and all I have to say is this.. if you believe in God and Jesus then you will see that even Gay people have their right to do as they will in concenting adulthood.. because God says that he has made all people and all things.. and I believe that God didn't Make JUNK!!! I am not gay... but I do have quite a few gay friends. They are wonderful loving people, the ones I know do not try to HIT on me or my friends and have a code of ethics.. these people you see on Jerry Springer are most of the times fake.. I think Misty did a good job showing how *two spirited aka gay* people can blend in a society. It is only our own prejudices that are causing the hatred and abuse of "out of the closet" homosexuals. Sorry didnt mean to get on the bandwagon.It just makes me upset to see more and more prejudicism in the world today.. sigh.. Jan aka Nyte Shadow Angie wrote: > heyla all. > amazing. I'm actually de-lurking. > > You know the page that was posted? http://www.godhatesfags.com? well, i went > there, and went to the host site at http://www.megsinet.com and checked the > list of it's customers. the site is not there on the list. I'm as outraged as > you people are, but I can't just write to the email addy since the site wasn't > listed on megsinet. can the person who sent the mail please tell me why? It's > still on the web, so they couldn't have stripped it off... > > hmmm... I won't mind seeing Van in the shopping malls... :) Silveryna wrote that > we won't like Van if he was ugly? hmmm... she does have a point. I wonder.. how > many of us like Dirk as much as Van... ;) I guess if Van was ugly, i'd still > feel for him, just not that intensely. maybe there's a milder tragedy in there > too... maybe misty is trying to say that just coz you look good, it doesn't mean > that your life is good too. there's a stereotype in today's society that people > who look good must have better lives. maybe she's just addressing that point... > maybe we all feel that added tragedy (that "he deserved better" feeling) and > just aren't aware that that point is there? > > ugh. I'm getting confused... > > Silveryna also wrote: > : Can anybody straighten this out? I'm making a Tayledras persona, > I don't think that you can use a Tayledras persona. something about misty's > copyrights. we can't roleplay with her characters unless we register with > Queen's Own. > > that's it then. see yas! > ice-cream sheep and orange-flavoured chickens! *hmm?* > > ( ) Wind to thy Wings > <==+==> Shadowblade mindmate to Raul, Elven archer-mage of Fairgrove > | | High Priestess of the Goddess of the Elves, High Priestess of OOPS > | | Grand Dame of the Order of the Namers, Singer of Fire(Alto) > | | Member of the Order of Unsung Heroes (Eldan, Eric, and Terenil!) > | | Member of the Mistic Circle, Visit my Homepage ~> > \/ http://members.tripod.com/~Shadowblade ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 14:00:29 PST From: "Amber Hasty" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Lots of stuff & important question (scroll down) Message-ID: <19981029220029.14316.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Silveyrna wrote: Anyone ever read Zahn's Star Wars series? Fantastic piece of work but one very big huge hole in the story line. They were going to attack >Bilbringi for the CGT, but then Karrde told them there were no more asteroids and they didn't need the CGT, so why did they attack anyway? They attacked anyway because they either didn't trust Karrde because he WAS a smugglar and Ackbar and the Calamire hate smugglers or the ones who did kinda trust Karrde didn't want to take the chance that Thrawn hadn't made more of the cloaked astroids at other sites. Rember Karrde only had one data transmission from one site and couldn't prove that was the only site. Leia did trust Karrde. Has anyone else read The Hand of Thrawn deoulogy? They're fanastic!!!! obMisty What's the next Velgrath book. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 17:05:07 -0500 (EST) From: AERDEN-+AT+-delphi.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: the insulting page/van/tayledras Message-ID: <01J3JTNRTO2690O9YP-+AT+-delphi.com> On 29-OCT-1998 13:30:31.8 mercedes-lackey said to AERDEN me>Heyla, me>I just went to the page about the "fags," and all I have to say is me>this... What is the URL to this page? If you'd rather email it to me privately than say on the list, my email address is aerden-+AT+-delphi.com. I missed it on the list. Chantal ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 17:58:45 -0600 From: Amy Trujillo To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Pure Fluff Message-ID: <36390130.239D-+AT+-southwind.net> *************** The dust covered woman stumbles out of lurkdom leaving a trail of cobwebs and papers behind her. Mumbling incoherently she collapses by the side of the hot springs hanging her head in utter exhaustion. Aftering trying to get back up the woman uses the last of her strength to conjure a blanket and a pillow. With heartfelt sigh the woman falls asleep sure in the knowledge that she is among friends. *************** Amy Ferret Friend Lady of All Things Missing, Especially Socks ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 20:25:26 -0500 From: Greg Wooledge To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: All of the above. Message-ID: <19981029202526.D10997-+AT+-phoenix.local> Adam K Kirchhoff (adamk-+AT+-voicenet.com) wrote: (unattributed) > > Someone (lost the message, so cannot braid. Forgiveness please) was > > asking about other authors who have homosexual or bisexual characters in > > the Sci-Fi/Fantasy realm. If noone else, there's always Heinlein. > There's a series of fantasy books by a couple of Canadian authors in which > bisexuality is the norm in the culture. I haven't heard about these. I recently read Tanya Huff's "Quarters" trilogy ("Sing the Four Quarters", "Fifth Quarter", "No Quarter"). The vast majority of the characters in these books are shaych. Then, there are always science fiction books in which alien species have an indeterminate (or variable) sex. This doesn't exactly qualify as homo- or bisexuality, of course, but it's pretty close. :-) A few that come to mind off-hand are Niven/Pournelle's "A Mote in God's Eye" (and its sequel "The Gripping Hand"), and LeGuin's "The Left Hand of Darkness". Both "Mote" and "Left Hand" are absolute classics, and should be on everyone's readling list. "Gripping" isn't as good as "Mote", but it's worth reading if you really enjoyed "Mote". -- "Daddy, why do those people have to | Greg Wooledge use Microsoft Windows?" | wooledge-+AT+-kellnet.com "Don't stare, son; it's not polite." | http://www.kellnet.com/wooledge/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 21:36:16 EST From: CDyeboston-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: short stories Message-ID: <8b705293.36392620-+AT+-aol.com> Silveyrna (Sp?) wrote: >I wish there'd be a collection of her short stories. Can't find >them anywhere, those >anthologies are long gone. Have you gotten a hold of _Fiddler Fair_, yet? It anthologizes several of Misty's stories although not all. (_Oathblood_ does the same for the Tarma/Kethry stories.) For the anthologies which you can't find, go to your local library and pester the InterLibrary Loan person. Nicely. Some libraries actually _do_ catalog their paperbacks, and will send them ILL. (That's the way I laid hands on several stories, so I know it works.) BTW, it behooves you to ask if your local library system has cataloged the paperbacks. If they haven't, the book you are looking for may be sitting on the shelves and the computer catalog will never tell you. Yoicks! and Away! Cindy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:38:03 EST From: Dancekbg-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Tayledras Clans Message-ID: <60afed76.3639349b-+AT+-aol.com> Ok, sorry! I know this was just posted but... What are the Tayledras Clans? Falcon=K'Treva Owl = K'Vala Raven= Eagle= Fox= Help?? Windy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 01:44:11 -0500 From: efluharty-+AT+-juno.com (Ellen K Fluharty) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Just thinking... Message-ID: <19981030.014413.16614.0.efluharty-+AT+-juno.com> I will take everyone's word that the "GodHatesFags" sight is digusting....I've had enough of ugly mean people lately......I'll just send a general complaint pretending I saw it....*sigh* I was going through old pictures today and found one of me in my grandfather's lap. My grandfather was a groundbreaking eye surgeon, a terror behind the wheel, generous to a fault (he gave all his possesions away,) good at telling jokes, and patient when at the age of five, I "did his hair" for him....(yikes!), and he was gay. He married my grandmother right before world war II, when getting married was something that everyone did, even though he was attracted to men.....(my grandmother would whisper this to me over coffee). I didn't know my grandpa was gay when I was little. I knew where he would hide the chocolate and gifts that he brought. I knew that he liked to play sinatra in the car. My mother didn't know that he was gay either. Grandma knew, but didn't tell anyone...and when a family friend "outed" him to his children, (I was in middle school at the time), my mother stopped talking to him. The jovial man I loved so much stopped coming over. My mother would hang up on him when he called. I missed his calls....."How are my girls?," he would always ask...... I wasn't allowed to speak to him.... A few years ago, he died in a nursing home of a stroke. Alone. I hate my mother for that, even though she's dead now too....."How could you?" I ask the air around me. I also hate myself....I could have done something....I could have found a way to keep in touch....I loved him afterall. Gay people are just people....like anyone ...I think that is why Misty writes about homosexuals, to make clear that they are real people, that they could be anyone you know, that they love, live and die....that you needn't be afraid of them, even though they are different than you... . And the scripture that drives people to hatred.....that condemns homosexuals...I refute it....I do not believe! I will not believe....if that makes me sacreligious, so be it. Love cannot be wrong..... sigh, I need to go to bed...and I need to cry a little too, I think.... Ellen shena Liha'irden Lady in Green ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 09:22:22 -0600 From: Jan aka Nyte Shadow To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: short stories Message-ID: <3639D9AE.3B7B8466-+AT+-airmail.net> Try Lammas Nights also.. they are written others but about her song Lammas Night. Very well done.. She has a lot of Ketry and Tarma Books in the Swords and Sorcessors books by Marion Zimmer Bradley. Also a good one about Alberich in Horse Fantastic.... CDyeboston-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > Silveyrna (Sp?) wrote: > >I wish there'd be a collection of her short stories. Can't find >them > anywhere, those > >anthologies are long gone. > > Have you gotten a hold of _Fiddler Fair_, yet? It anthologizes several of > Misty's stories although not all. (_Oathblood_ does the same for the > Tarma/Kethry stories.) For the anthologies which you can't find, go to your > local library and pester the InterLibrary Loan person. Nicely. Some > libraries actually _do_ catalog their paperbacks, and will send them ILL. > (That's the way I laid hands on several stories, so I know it works.) BTW, it > behooves you to ask if your local library system has cataloged the paperbacks. > If they haven't, the book you are looking for may be sitting on the shelves > and the computer catalog will never tell you. > > Yoicks! and Away! > > Cindy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 09:51:46 -0600 From: Jan aka Nyte Shadow To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: All of the above. Message-ID: <3639E092.6BEB722D-+AT+-airmail.net> Marion Zimmer Bradley also writes about 2 spirited people.. in her darkover series. Ann Maxell has also written about this. There are more and more authors coming out of the closet and writing about same sex pairings.. in my peoples eyes they were not otrazied but were givin a lot of honor and also they were the Uncles an Aunts the helped raise the children when the mothers and fathers were out getting food etc.. I myself am not Homo or bi but I have a lot of friends that are.. Just my 2 cents worth... Jan aka Nyte Shadow Adam K Kirchhoff wrote: > > Someone (lost the message, so cannot braid. Forgiveness please) was > > asking about other authors who have homosexual or bisexual characters in > > the Sci-Fi/Fantasy realm. If noone else, there's always Heinlein. Of > > course, it's my humble belief that his characters are bi solely to avoid > > exluding a large percentage of the population from their beds. > > There's a series of fantasy books by a couple of Canadian authors in which > bisexuality is the norm in the culture. Limiting yourself to one sex or another > is considered very unusual... I can't remember either the name of the books or > the authors (never read them, but heard about them from my sister) but I can find > out if anyone's interested :-) > > Adam ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 10:01:04 -0600 From: Jan aka Nyte Shadow To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: feuds/song/favor/college/fan found!/chickens/fluff Message-ID: <3639E2BF.6B4D1B4F-+AT+-airmail.net> The problem is that we all have the right to put any type of page up that we want... some servers have restrictions.. but most do not.. if this was an .edu or .gov .org maybe something would be done.. but most .com or .net servers will not even look at the page. most will just dump complaints in the recycle bin as spam mail. I have several server domains myself and will not perpetuate anything like this or allow any of my clients. But most people are not that disconcerting.. they care more for the money they get from renting out these sites etc.. I have sent my complaint in.. but don't expect to have anything done about it.. its a sad sad world we live in today.. while we have made huge strides against prejudicism we still have a long way to go in tolerance with people who do not fit the "NORM".. all we can do is keep spreading the word that we find it ok to be who and what you really are.Until then.. we just have to cross our fingers and keep praying to which ever God or Goddess we pray to.. blessed be.. Tylendel Dotzauer wrote: > > I'd like to ask everyone on this list for a favor. I'd appreciate it if > >you'd all take the time out of your lives (about 15 minutes) to view a > >hate page, and write a complaint to the server about it, to get it taken > >down. People deserve to live their lives free of persecution from other > >people, and this site needs to be taken down. Thank you > >It concerns the website who sponsored the pickets at Matthew Shepherd's > >funeral. This is an ugly offensive site, that violates the rules of > >conduct that megsinet has established. There is an ongoing effort to > >remove this site. Send your concerns about the missuse of the TOS to - > >abuse-+AT+-megsinet.net - RE: http://www.godhatesfags.com It's hosted by > >http://www.megsinet.net/ > > I agree here, and I'll check it out as soon as I send this email. I really > have to say that all of the people on this listserv ROCK, even if they > disagree with me about the Stef/'Lendel thing, you guys have been the most > pro-people people I have ever seen. I wish there were more people in the > world like you guys... > > > > Speaking of college, at a recent school assembly, we were informed by two > >of the exchange students we are currently hosting that college is free -- I > >repeat, FREE -- in Poland and Hungary!!!!!! I'm so jealous!! *squacks with > >envy* > > FREE???!!! FREE???!!! > DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYMMMMMMMMMNNNNN... > ;-) > > > Hey hey! I've got good news! I met a fellow Misty fan on the bus!!! > >Muahahaha!! I recommended more of Misty's works to her than she'd heard of > >^_~. And guess what! She liked the Mage Winds trilogy. And she started with > >Storm Warning and wasn't confused!!!! O_o Amazing to me! Her name's Amy, and > >she's a member of Queen's Own, but she can't find this >list! Eep! > > You must convert her... they must all be assimilated... ;-) > > >< >been both people.>> > > Yep. How could they/he not? Stef new he was the reincarnation of 'Lendel > >long before he died. Tylendel chose to be reincarnated. > > Actually, I don't think Stef did know. At least the book never states as > such. Although you would assume that once he died, the spirit would join > together as one and finally find peace, so then it would realize the > split... but Stef is never actually conscious of the reincarnation. > > >< >should read LHM... what do you guys think? ;-)>> > > I think that's too late in life. Read it to babies and young children, > >sing them the associated filk songs. When they're in mid-puberty, ask them > >to read it. I consider puberty the beginning of adolescence, so we're > >talking 11 or 12 here. Actually, no matter what the age, get people you know > >to read it. Be sneaky. > > I don't know. I think they have to genuinely be "mature" enough to grasp > the whole book. I know it was a lot for me to handle at the beginning of > sophomore year... 15? 14? somewhere > around there> > I know I've bought at least 10 copies of Magic's Pawn, if not more, and > given it to people as gifts. I even contemplated sending a copy to each of > my roommates here at college this summer, demanding that if they were to > live with me they **had** to read the book. I didn't... but at least one > of my roommates keeps saying, "I should really read that sometime..." So > maybe it'll sink in. At least last time I checked, the bookstore by my > house was carrying TWO copies of Magic's Pawn on the shelf. I guess I must > have been buying out their stock! ;-P > > ><<-ty > >Magic Breeder of Chickens in the Land of Plastic>> > > *LOL* I used to be called The Chicken Woman (waaaaay back in grade 7) > >when my classmates accidentally got a glimpse of a page of drawings of > >chickens from all walks of life. Movie star chickens, mutant X-Chickens, > >dancing chickens, etc. Mybest friend and I were bored in class. Anyway, the > >only feathered creation of our combined imaginations to survive the many > >trials of adolescence (so far) is The Grim Cheeper. >*giggles* > > that just came to me this morning. Oy. It has been a very long day... 5 > hours of studying for a psychology midterm and I'm still not done. Plus > there's that paper for English I'm supposed to have started by tomorrow... > err... > ;-) > But I think that shall be my new title. I really like it, and I don't know > why. Maybe it's just PMS. ;-) > > BTW, I LOVE the song Yesterday. Just thought I'd say that, not that it > really matters. > > Macfey: > >GO TY!!!! yes it should be at the very least on the >recommended > >reading list, if not fully required. I personally believe >more (MUCH > >MORE) Sci-fi and fantasy should be on those lists. Maybe >there > >wouldn't be so many screwed up kids... reading real >fiction is a bore > >and getting kids to read a tough job. Give em what they >wand and push > >the imagination... > > Here here :-) Magic's Pawn has to be part of the sci-fi/fantasy canon. No > doubt in my mind there. > Plus it has so many good issues that are relevant today... > ugh... if I'm ever an English teacher I *KNOW* i'm going to get it in, > somehow... ;-) > > that's all I have to say about that... for now. ;-) > > -ty > from the hizhouse, home of fWo > Magic Breeder of Chickens in the Land of Plastic > http://www.geocities.com/paris/lights/8308 ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1769 **********************************