MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1774

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: Re:  SADD
	by Paustinnew-+AT+-aol.com
  2) Rain, etc.
	by Amy Trujillo <trujillo-+AT+-southwind.net>
  3) Birthdays/SADD/Iftel
	by Peter Allen <minterra-+AT+-frontiernet.net>
  4) Re: Birthdays/SADD/Iftel
	by Paustinnew-+AT+-aol.com
  5) Poodle/Halloween/drugs in Misty's
	by Autumnleaf-+AT+-t-online.de (Marion)
  6) Re: you know it's a lousy braid attempt...
	by "Kalen [One In Black]" <95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk>
  7) Re: Poodle/Halloween/drugs in Misty's
	by Rouge44-+AT+-aol.com

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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 16:53:27 EST
From: Paustinnew-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Re:  SADD
Message-ID: <7b99642.363f7b57-+AT+-aol.com>

In a message dated 11/3/98, 2:13:10 PM, mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk writes:
<<Greg Wooledge wrote:
> The only time a drug addict should be imprisoned, IMHO, is when they
> have committed some other crime (e.g., manslaughter).  At that point, the
> drug abuse has reached the point where he/she is a danger to society, and
> must be removed for the protection of others.  >>
Excuse me here, but if you've had half of your stuff ripped off by some drug
addict to pay for his habit, you might feel a little differently here. There's
a lot of crime out there directly related to drugs -- mainly theft so that
addicts can support their habits.
What do you think should be done with them -- pat them on the head and tell
them they have a problem? I saw a car theft in broad daylight in Amsterdam,
and have watched cars abandoned by the side of the road here in Hawaii become
totally ripped apart within a day due to break ins. Not all of that is due to
drugs, but a lot of it is. It takes a lot of money to buy crack, etc. 
Take them off the streets, put them in a rehab program. Don't let them keep
running loose -- unless that is, you like having the things you worked hard
for ripped off.  I think your  "danger to society" needs to be redefined.

Pam who goes by Map 

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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 18:17:42 -0600
From: Amy Trujillo <trujillo-+AT+-southwind.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Rain, etc.
Message-ID: <363F9D1C.2579-+AT+-southwind.net>

Heyla listsibs

I've been reading about everyone loving rain and believe me you can have
it!!!  It has rained for the past four days straight here in Kansas and
all the towns are flooded out.  It happened so fast that people barely
got out and many of them had to leave their pets.  One of my professors
lost 70 rare books when his house flooded.  So far it has rained 10
inches in some areas and the rivers are just starting to go down.   I
apologize if this seems like a rant or an attack, I usually like rain.
its just that there has been a little too much lately.

obMisty...........um..Does anyone else want to hear more about the early
history of Iftel.  The little bit in the Storms books made me very
curious about what exactly happened. 

Oh, and I like Elspeth.  She is headstrong and judgemental, but when you
think about it in the long run she has never made a bad final decision. 
She was right to go to the Hawkbrothers for teaching, to help Darkwind,
to fight Ancar and Falsconsbane, to recounce the crown, to support
Tremane etc. etc. She may make snap decisions but in the end her final
actions were the right ones.  

Until next time,
Cherry bubble gum sheep

Amy
Ferret Friend
Lady of All Things Missing, Especially Socks

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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 21:26:40 -0800
From: Peter Allen <minterra-+AT+-frontiernet.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Birthdays/SADD/Iftel
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19981103212640.007c5da0-+AT+-pop3.frontiernet.net>

   Being the first of a new month, I'd like to announce to any newer members (and older ones that skipped last time ;) the birthday list. For those of you, lurker or non, who wish to join, you can e-mail me at wintershard-+AT+-geocities.com with the information you wish :). It's fun, since you get to meet people that you wouldn't otherwise, and also because you get to celebrate one of the most important anniversaries of a person's life :). Again, any who wish to join, e-mail me off-list, and I'll sign you up in no time flat - or when I actually get a break from my life *g*.	

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Greg wrote:
> The only time a drug addict should be imprisoned, IMHO, is when they
> have committed some other crime (e.g., manslaughter).

To which Pam responded with:
>Excuse me here, but if you've had half of your stuff ripped off by some drug
>addict to pay for his habit, you might feel a little differently here. There's
>a lot of crime out there directly related to drugs -- mainly theft so that
>addicts can support their habits.

   Actually, I think that you are both saying the same things here. Greg didn't say that something like theft should not be counted, he just did not use it as an example. I had thought of his statement 'some other crime' in that it encompassed all theft, from simple burglary to mass murder... basically where you cause a wrong-doing upon another.

   I would suppose that in Valdemar, a drug addiction would be seen as a private problem. I agree with the idea that those who have children or others depending on them that are addicted should have those people taken out from under their care, seeing as they are unfit to take care of themselves. While in the smaller cities and towns, I can see the Heralds taking over that role of seeing who is and is not fit, would you suppose that the Guard would do that in the larger ones?

   Also, how much crime do you supposes goes on in Haven overall? While it is the 'Capital of Goodie Tooshoos,' it is still a major city...

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   Amy asked if anyone was interested in Iftel's earlier years... I am! *g*

   I think it would be a wonderful idea for Misty to look into Iftel. It would do two things: one, allow her to write in a Velgarth-based society; two, allow her to write something that is almost entirely separate from Valdemar (the early years, remember). I would like to see, not how the system came about, but what it would be like for someone to live in the warrior system that they did. Politics, blood, feuds.. and no Herald or Companion in sight... 'twould be interesting indeed :).

Bright thy day,

   Wintershard
   Councilor of Mist
   http://www.herald.co.uk/local_info/rules_thumb.html
   http://www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/pers/misty/newbiefest.html

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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 00:52:51 EST
From: Paustinnew-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Birthdays/SADD/Iftel
Message-ID: <a0fbbc5d.363febb3-+AT+-aol.com>

In a message dated 11/3/98, 9:41:19 PM, mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk writes:
<<reg wrote:
> The only time a drug addict should be imprisoned, IMHO, is when they
> have committed some other crime (e.g., manslaughter).

To which Pam responded with:
>Excuse me here, but if you've had half of your stuff ripped off by some drug
>addict to pay for his habit, you might feel a little differently here.
There's
>a lot of crime out there directly related to drugs -- mainly theft so that
>addicts can support their habits.

   Actually, I think that you are both saying the same things here. Greg
didn't say that something like theft should not be counted, he just did not
use it as an example. I had thought of his statement 'some other crime' in
that it encompassed all theft, from simple burglary to mass murder...
basically where you cause a wrong-doing upon another.

   I would suppose that in Valdemar, a drug addiction would be seen as a
private problem. I agree with the idea that those who have children or others
depending on them that are addicted should have those people taken out from
under their care, seeing as they are unfit to take care of themselves. While
in the smaller cities and towns, I can see the Heralds taking over that role
of seeing who is and is not fit, would you suppose that the Guard would do
that in the larger ones?

   Also, how much crime do you supposes goes on in Haven overall? While it is
the 'Capital of Goodie Tooshoos,' it is still a major city...

---
>>
Some good points. I would like to see an alternative to the U.S.'s current
prison system, which seems to be a finishing school for criminals (my father
worked in a prison for many years, so I do have some knowledge about this).
Some of the cons taught him ways to break in a house that have helped me out a
lot when I have locked myself out. 8-)
Anyway -- I always liked Skif the best of Mercy's characters because of his
background and ability to adapt and overcome.

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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 16:06:51 +0100
From: Autumnleaf-+AT+-t-online.de (Marion)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Poodle/Halloween/drugs in Misty's
Message-ID: <m0zb4WJ-0003bfC-+AT+-fwd12.btx.dtag.de>

Listsibs, bondmates and Pookas,

erhem.

Elsa wrote:
>:    Lucky. I was born in the year of the French Poodle.
>:   Le arf. Le arf.

And Shadowblade wrote:
>French Poodle??? *lifts an eyebrow* The chinese calendar only had 12 
>animals in the zodiac, and the french poodle isn't one of them... unless it 
>goes under the category of "dog" (1958, 1970, 1982, 1994)

Lucky me was born under the sign of ape (or is it monkey? I always get those 
mixed up!) *ducks behind a large chair as a book on a chain comes flying into 
the hall snapping wildly in her direction before it is yanked back by the chain*
Well, *clears throath*, in the Celtic zodiac I'm a chestnut tree, in "normal" 
I'm a Scorpio (which accounts for my character flaws - at least, according to my 
mom), in Indian it`s serpent (or is it snake? Never know the difference, either) 
*ducks behind chair again in case some venom is thrown*

How do I find out what I am in Aztec and Egyptian?
*****************************
Lady Sunhawke Wrote:
> :holds up an I LOVE SKIF sign, a similar one for Dirk lies nearby:  

*holds up an I LOVE KEROWYN sign* Phew, those guys just don't have her class.

*******************************
Someone (bad delete finger, bad) asked about how people around the world 
celebrate Halloween. Well, in Germany, you don't celebrate it at all as it is 
the day of the dead. On Nov. 1st, Catholics go visit their deceased family 
members (or friends) at the cemetry bringing them "gifts" (candles and flowers). 
I personally leave some food, flowers and a burning candle for my ancestors and 
those deceased, that were close to me, outside on the night from Oct. 31st to 
Nov. 1st. It's an old Celtic custom I read about some years ago. I liked it so 
much that I have carried it out ever since.
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Oops, I think I need a real ObMisty. *smoke rises from her ears while she thinks 
hard*
Greg wrote:
>Misty doesn't seem
>to deal with drug abuse much, if at all, in her books.  

And Elsa replied:
<   You've never actually read "Knight of Ghosts and Shadows", "Children of
<the Night", or "Jinx High", have you? Eric was a druggie, Di's ex-boyfriend
<became a vamp doing drugs, most of the teenagers in JH did drugs....

I vividly remember this scene in in Jinx High. (arrrgh !!!!! I just can't find 
the page!!! SOrry, no textevd, here) 
Larry had bought some drugs and given them to his son Deke. Then he filmed him 
while he was under the influence of those drugs and played him the video when he 
was sober again to show him what a fool he made of himself.
I liked the idea! Show them how stupid they act under drugs and maybe they won't 
take them. Just maybe. Sometimes the pressure from your peers is too great to 
act according to what your common sense tells you. It takes a lot of courage and 
a strong personality to be different and swim against the current even if you 
know it would be better.
Same applies to sex. Most teenage girls feel they are not mature enough to do it 
but either their boyfriends insist and they do it because they are afraid to 
loose them or they want to impress the girls they hang around with. Peer-group 
pressure! *shrugs* 
I don't know if you can do much about that as a parent (ain't one myself and 
don`t want to be so I'll never know). From my experience with my mom and dad I 
learnt that the more they insisted I'd do something (like find a boyfriend, be 
more tolerant towards people who smoke, etc.) the more stubborn I got. *big grin 
while she fondly remembers all those relatives that left the house in horror 
when faced with her "Smoking is harmful to your health" campaign* (Hey, that one 
was harmless! You should have seen my grandaunt when I told about the bacteria 
and microorganisms that lived in her cake!)
I guess if the parent / children relation hasn`t been good from the beginning it 
won't improve during puberty and the kids won't listen to a thing you say. My 
boyfriend's sister always explains to her children why she does or does not want 
them to do something. They are never ever fighting just discussing things. She 
values the opinion of her kids and accepts their explanations. I'm not sure I 
had her patience. 
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Uhm, yeah, time to do some work, I guess. 

See ya
Shantaya Autumnleaf
and Torell, the JEster who was very quiet today.
I LOVE RAIN!!!! AND STORM!!! AND THE SEA!!!! (sorry for shouting)


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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 15:34:26 GMT
From: "Kalen [One In Black]" <95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: you know it's a lousy braid attempt...
Message-ID: <5D7C21F4F05-+AT+-alnilam.mmu.ac.uk>


> From:          MacFey <macfey-+AT+-yahoo.com>

> Firedance K'Treva wrote--
> Has 
> anyone else had an experience similar to mine? If so,
> please TELL me! 
 
>. I'm not alone!  A native american friend of mine took me with
> him to a gathering of the clans and one older man walked up to me and
> started telling me stuff about my past and my present and my future. 
> He even knew I was gay and I hadn't told anyone this yet.  
A friend of mine took me to see a psychic a few years ago, the 
appointment was made in the name of a friend of his so there is no 
way she could have found anything out about me. Well I was there for 
an hour and she told me so much about my past that it wasn't even 
funny. Then she told me about jobs she saw me doing, teaching and 
owning a restaurant. Well I was working towards getting high enough 
grades on my degree to enable me to get on a Post Grad teaching 
course and I did a catering management course about 9 years ago. She 
told me that I had a gift but that I needed to listen to it more [I 
have had a few things happen where I predicted something before it 
happened etc]. She told me about my Spirit Guide and many other 
things which have happened in the time since I saw her. One of the 
names she mentioned ended up being the name of my co-counselor when I 
went to summer camp that year.   
The only thing that kind of freaked me was the getting married in 
later life and 2 kids. Well as I have said before I rate myself as a 
5 on the Kinsey scale of sexuality [ almost entirely gay with the 
very occasional lapse] Does this mean that the very small part of me 
that is str8 is going to raise its head and suddenly become dominant?
> 
> Next to Van and 'Lendel I know Firesong is my favorite, sometimes I
> think it's a three-way (now that could get interesting -- yanks mind
> out of the gutter --)  tie over who's on top. (Ooops didn't yank hard
> enough.
Yes someone else who has the same mind set as me ;o) inuendo, 
double whatsnames. I love them. But wasn't Van Firesong Great, Great 
Grandfather? I don't think even the Hawkbrothers were that liberal 
minded.

 
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Never in the field of education have so many been 
so demotivated by so few!!! 
Kalen [OIB]
95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk, uthro-+AT+-hotmail.com
http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/7701/
      

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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 15:47:32 EST
From: Rouge44-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Poodle/Halloween/drugs in Misty's
Message-ID: <b421478e.3640bd64-+AT+-aol.com>

Heyla all!!

Shadowblade wrote:
>French Poodle??? *lifts an eyebrow* The chinese calendar only had 12 
>animals in the zodiac, and the french poodle isn't one of them... unless it 
>goes under the category of "dog" (1958, 1970, 1982, 1994)

>Lucky me was born under the sign of ape (or is it monkey? I always get those 
>mixed up!) *ducks behind a large chair as a book on a chain comes flying into
>the hall snapping wildly in her direction before it is yanked back by the
chain*
>Well, *clears throath*, in the Celtic zodiac I'm a chestnut tree, in "normal"
>I'm a Scorpio (which accounts for my character flaws - at least, according to
my 
>mom), in Indian it`s serpent (or is it snake? Never know the difference,
either) 
>*ducks behind chair again in case some venom is thrown*
>How do I find out what I am in Aztec and Egyptian? 

How do you find out all of these? *helpless grin*

Okay, I have read all of the Valdemar books except for the Arrows and the
Winds trilogies. Can ya'll tell me a bit about them?  

Wind to thy wings,
Ilila
Friend to all cats and unicorns

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