MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1794

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: storm constantine/other misty books/sfsite/maps
	by Autumnleaf-+AT+-t-online.de (Autumnleaf)
  2) Re: Some Questions
	by "Raven Darkblade" <abbykat-+AT+-hotmail.com>
  3) Re: storm constantine/other misty books/sfsite/maps
	by Tylendel Dotzauer <dotzauer.4-+AT+-osu.edu>
  4) Re: Map, Pelagirs/Pelagiris, Choosing, Eldan!
	by "Raven Darkblade" <abbykat-+AT+-hotmail.com>
  5) Re: maps
	by "Oceania Angels" <bastet11-+AT+-hotmail.com>
  6) Ooops!!!! 
	by "Oceania Angels" <bastet11-+AT+-hotmail.com>
  7) Re: storm constantine/other misty books/sfsite/maps
	by Amy Trujillo <trujillo-+AT+-southwind.net>
  8) Re: Some Questions
	by "Judy Craigo" <kechara9-+AT+-hotmail.com>
  9) Re: storm constantine/other misty books/sfsite/maps
	by tan3-+AT+-cornell.edu
 10) pelagirs/choosing
	by "Angie" <heraldtg-+AT+-mbox3.singnet.com.sg>
 11) Re: Owlflight
	by "Angie" <heraldtg-+AT+-mbox3.singnet.com.sg>
 12) Re: Some Questions
	by "Kerstin Bauer" <bauerke-+AT+-asam.baynet.de>
 13) Mistyakes
	by Paige Preston-Walker <ppwalker-+AT+-sympatico.ca>
 14) Re:  storm constantine/ misty stories/maps
	by Autumnleaf-+AT+-t-online.de (Autumnleaf)
 15) Re: Some Questions
	by Paige Preston-Walker <ppwalker-+AT+-sympatico.ca>
 16) Re: Some Questions
	by "Raven Darkblade" <abbykat-+AT+-hotmail.com>
 17) OT: invasions
	by skyfire-+AT+-t-online.de (skyfire)
 18) Companions/Pelagirs
	by Peter Allen <minterra-+AT+-frontiernet.net>
 19) gratitude
	by "Judy Craigo" <kechara9-+AT+-hotmail.com>

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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:35:04 +0100
From: Autumnleaf-+AT+-t-online.de (Autumnleaf)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: storm constantine/other misty books/sfsite/maps
Message-ID: <m0zhztA-00051rC-+AT+-fwd05.btx.dtag.de>

Heyla all,

Consider this a fluff-free zone for this time.

Tylendel Dotzauer wrote:
> Has anyone out there read any books by Storm Constantine?  I made it
> through the whole Wraeththu <i think i spelled it correctly..> trilogy a
> couple years ago, and my sister just recently handed me a book by them <I
> have no idea if they're male/female..> on vampires, although I haven't
> really had a chance to read it much, I got into it fairly easily.  I was
> wondering if anyone knows of other books they've written?  

Oh, I love Storm COnstantine. She is one of my favourites! The one about 
vampires, is it Burying the Shadows? First book I read by her and this one got 
me hooked. After that I devoured Hermetech which is SF but deals with gender and 
gender changes and magic, genetic engineering, space stations and old myths. The 
Wraethu (sp?) trilogy is still waiting for me.
Other books by her are:
Sign for the Sacred, Calentur, The Monstrous Regiment, Aleph and
The Grigori Series: Stalking Tender Prey, Scenting Hallowed BLood, Stealing 
Sacred Fire

And she wrote:
> OBMisty... beyond Valdemar books, what do all of you think is Misty's best
> book?  I have also read Elvenbane, Elvenblood, and Firebird... otherwise
> all I know is about Valdemar, and I'd like to get into some of her other
> books.  

Try the Di Tregarde books. They are Urban Fantasy with a romance writer witch 
and a lovely vampire (who only appears personally in one book and two short 
stories). 
For other collaborations I only read the Bard's Tale books which are based on a 
computer RPG, AFAIK, and I didn`t like them at all. They were funny in places 
but so very predictable and - sorry - boring.

Cindy added:
>If you're willing to do the searching, I think some of the best stuff is in
>her short stories.  And I like the bits she did in C. J. Cherryh's shared
>universe "Merovingen Nights" (which are a stone bitch to find, unfortunately!)

I was lucky to get 3 (three !!!!!) books of the Merovingen Night series, one is 
the first story by CHerryh that initiated the anthology series. Had to travel to 
Sweden to lay my hands on those and haven't been able since to find one single 
other book of them. *grinds teeth in frustration - which is better than gnawing 
off the hair from your belly*
And I agree, I love Misty's short stories. They are just superb (sp?). Oh, and I 
found an address where you can look up her works incl. short stories and where 
they appeared:
http://www.sfsite.com/isfdb-bin/exact_author.cgi?Mercedes_Lackey

http://www.sfsite.com is a very good index containing almost every author who 
has ever written some SF or fantasy.

Aurora Dawnstar wrote:
>(Is there by any chance a deity of overflowing book shelves one could apply 
>to?)

If so, let me know! I need her very badly! :)

My ObMisty: I love maps and therefore studied the maps in Misty's books very 
closely. Did anyone else notice that the Pelagir hills seem to wander around? 
Some maps have them in the North of Valdemar, close to the FOrest of Sorrows and 
others show them where I would have looked for them, i.e. near the Dorisha 
Plains. The maps were created by the same person. Did I miss something in the 
books? Did those hills really move or is it a mistake on Victor Wrenn's behalf?

Wind to Thy Wings
Shantaya Autumnleaf
and Torell, her JEster, who is dissappointed that there were no Newbies around


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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 14:36:33 PST
From: "Raven Darkblade" <abbykat-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Some Questions
Message-ID: <19981123223636.5267.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com>

Uniform colors:
It's explained handily in By The Sword--Heralds wear white, Healers 
green, and Bards scarlet. Heraldic trainees wear grey, Healer students 
wear pale green, Bardic students wear red-brown, and any student who 
studies at the Collegia but isn't affiliated with the Heralds, Healers, 
or Bards wears light blue. Guards also wear blue, but it is presumably a 
darker shade.

<<Is the collegium of the Healers next to the collegium of the Bards and 
the Heralds? it'S in the Centre of Haven, isn't it?>>

Yes, it's all one complex right next to the Palace.

<<I find that interesting, actually... I mean, I know the Companions are 
faster than normal horses, but how would they "find" their Chosen?
Wouldn't they have to find food on the way?  I guess it's one of those
secret things about the Companions that nobody really knows...>>

Silly, silly Ty. They're equine. They can graze and browse along the 
way. As for how they find their Chosen, it's said somewhere that most of 
the Heralds-to-be find their way into Haven and are Chosen there... I 
think Eldan says that the Companions know when they're supposed to go 
out. A compulsion, I'd guess.

Zha'hai'allav'a,
Raven Darkblade and Mor the raven,
Holy Hand of the Goddess of Elves,
Member of the Mistic Circle,
Knight and Founding Member of the Order of Unsung Heroes, Advocator of 
Eldan, Champion of Kethra and Hyllarr, and Devotee of Maclyn.

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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 19:06:34 -0500
From: Tylendel Dotzauer <dotzauer.4-+AT+-osu.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: storm constantine/other misty books/sfsite/maps
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19981123190634.006c5dc0-+AT+-pop.service.ohio-state.edu>

Autumnleaf:
>Oh, I love Storm COnstantine. She is one of my favourites! 

so do you know if Storm is a she?
:-) that's something that's perplexed me and my best friend for awhile,
although the ending of the Wraeththu books would hint that that is
correct... <shrug>

>The one about 
>vampires, is it Burying the Shadows? First book I read by her and this one
got 
>me hooked. After that I devoured Hermetech which is SF but deals with
gender and 
>gender changes and magic, genetic engineering, space stations and old
myths. The 
>Wraethu (sp?) trilogy is still waiting for me.
>Other books by her are:
>Sign for the Sacred, Calentur, The Monstrous Regiment, Aleph and
>The Grigori Series: Stalking Tender Prey, Scenting Hallowed BLood, Stealing 
>Sacred Fire

Yes, Burying the Shadows is the one I'm into right now.  Unfortunately I
really don't have much of any time to read.. :-( but with thanksgiving and
christmas coming up, hopefully i can change that.  :-)
Thank you so much for the listing!!!  I'll have to send that on to my mom
for christmas present ideas!!! ;-)

>Aurora Dawnstar wrote:
>>(Is there by any chance a deity of overflowing book shelves one could apply 
>>to?)
>
>If so, let me know! I need her very badly! :)

So do I!!!!  Especially in a dorm room with 3 other people, it's cramped in
here!!! I could only bring about 15 of my favorite books, and they're
already overflowing out of my one little shelf... :-(

>My ObMisty: I love maps and therefore studied the maps in Misty's books very 
>closely. Did anyone else notice that the Pelagir hills seem to wander
around? 
>Some maps have them in the North of Valdemar, close to the FOrest of
Sorrows and 
>others show them where I would have looked for them, i.e. near the Dorisha 
>Plains. The maps were created by the same person. Did I miss something in
the 
>books? Did those hills really move or is it a mistake on Victor Wrenn's
>behalf?

Well, I know this may be a cop-out... but... the Pelagirs are magic, right?
 Maybe they move....
:-)
The one thing I have noticed, although it's no big deal it does annoy me...
in at least the beginning of Owlflight they continually refer to the
Pelagirs as the "Pelagiris"... nit-picky, i know, but can't they just make
up their minds?  :-)

>Wind to Thy Wings
>Shantaya Autumnleaf
>and Torell, her JEster, who is dissappointed that there were no Newbies
>around

heee... well... I've only been around for about 2 months... and I never got
a newbie initation... <looking around cautiously for flying buckets....>
:-)

Raven Darkblade:
>Silly, silly Ty. They're equine. They can graze and browse along the 
>way. As for how they find their Chosen, it's said somewhere that most of 
>the Heralds-to-be find their way into Haven and are Chosen there... I 
>think Eldan says that the Companions know when they're supposed to go 
>out. A compulsion, I'd guess.

Hehehehe... I knew that... :-) 
It just seems like to me in all of the books I've read recently the
Companions find their Chosen... <i.e.: Vanyel, Tylendel, Savil <I think>,
Talia, Tashir... etc...>  Who knows.
Good grief... Eldan... I loved that guy... but it's been forever since I've
read those books... :-) getting deja vu :-)

I know this is completely off subject, but are there any Tori Amos fans out
there?  Just curious... I guess email me :-) i'm looking for some who are
as nutty as me, but I don't want to hog up the listserv... ;-)

-ty

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Puddle-Jumper Extraordinaire,
Magic Breeder of Chickens in the Land of Plastic,
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:04:36 PST
From: "Raven Darkblade" <abbykat-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Map, Pelagirs/Pelagiris, Choosing, Eldan!
Message-ID: <19981124020437.27139.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com>

<<My ObMisty: I love maps and therefore studied the maps in Misty's 
books very closely. Did anyone else notice that the Pelagir hills seem 
to wander around? Some maps have them in the North of Valdemar, close to 
the FOrest of Sorrows and others show them where I would have looked for 
them, i.e. near the Dorisha Plains. The maps were created by the same 
person. Did I miss something in the books? Did those hills really move 
or is it a mistake on Victor Wrenn's behalf?>>

Blame it on the phenomenon that Roald and Jadrek talked about in 
Oathbreakers, how the Pelagirs stretch northward a ways and the tail end 
gets cut off by Lake Evendim.

<<The one thing I have noticed, although it's no big deal it does annoy 
me... in at least the beginning of Owlflight they continually refer to 
the Pelagirs as the "Pelagiris"... nit-picky, i know, but can't they 
just make up their minds?  :-)>>

Well, as mentioned in The Oathbound it is the Pelagir Hills, but the 
Pelagiris Forest. Don't ask me why.

<<<<(Is there by any chance a deity of overflowing book shelves one 
could apply to?)>>>>

<<<If so, let me know! I need her very badly! :)>>>

<<So do I!!!!  Especially in a dorm room with 3 other people, it's 
cramped in here!!! I could only bring about 15 of my favorite books, and 
they're already overflowing out of my one little shelf... :-(>>

I got lucky; I have cabinet-things in my bed as well as shelves, so I 
got to bring quite a few books. However, they tend not to saty on the 
shelves...

<<It just seems like to me in all of the books I've read recently the
Companions find their Chosen... <i.e.: Vanyel, Tylendel, Savil <I 
think>, Talia, Tashir... etc...>  Who knows.>>

Vanyel was in Haven when he got Chosen. Right smack in the middle of it. 
Not sure about Tylendel and Savil, but Dirk was, and so were Skif and 
Jadus.

My general take on how they find their particular Chosen is that they 
just *feel* when the right time is, and where to go, and they recognize 
their Chosen when they see him/her. <Animaniacs Merlin voice> It's 
maaaaagic!

<<Good grief... Eldan... I loved that guy...>>

Eldan! Eldan is really neat, Eldan is full of meat, we love you Eldan! 
(Okay, done with the MST3K weirdnessess.)Shameless plug for Eldan's 
branch of followers from the Order of Unsung Heroes. He's one of my 
favorite characters. 

Zha'hai'allav'a,
Raven Darkblade and Mor the Raven,
Holy Hand of the Goddess of Elves,
Member of the Mistic Circle,
Knight and Founding Member of the Order of Unsung Heroes, Advocator of 
Eldan, Champion of Kethra and Hyllarr, and Devotee of Maclyn;
and Mor the raven, her familiar.

abbykat-+AT+-hotmail.com
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http://www.elfwood.com/lothlorien/artists/laughlin/laughlin.html/


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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 19:13:27 PST
From: "Oceania Angels" <bastet11-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: maps
Message-ID: <19981124031328.25260.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com>



Heyla all!
>My ObMisty: I love maps and therefore studied the maps in Misty's books 
very 
>closely. Did anyone else notice that the Pelagir hills seem to wander 
around? 
>Some maps have them in the North of Valdemar, close to the FOrest of 
Sorrows and 
>others show them where I would have looked for them, i.e. near the 
Dorisha 
>Plains. The maps were created by the same person. Did I miss something 
in the 
>books? Did those hills really move or is it a mistake on Victor 
>Wrenn's behalf?

 If I remember correctly they're _all_ part of the Pelagirs. I seem to 
remember the part near the Dhorisha plains being called the Pelagir 
hills and the part near Valdermar is the Pelagiris forest. I _think_. 
I'd look for textevd, but I don't really feel like going through all of 
my Valdemar books. (I have all of them except for Owlsight and 
Owlflight)

 Fluff 

 Sorana sneaks up behind D---- and #POUNCES# her! After she helps the 
newbie up, she says, "Welcome to the misty list! Here's your 
complimentary sheep towel _and_ a fruit flavored sheep basket! Someone 
should be along to splosh and/or pour food on you soon. Have fun!"

End Fluff

 Stars light your path,
  Sorana S. Stargem
Herald-trainee, 
High Priestess to the Goddess
of Unicorns,                 
Goddess of Flions,           
Knight of Amber and Marigold


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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 19:20:10 PST
From: "Oceania Angels" <bastet11-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Ooops!!!! 
Message-ID: <19981124032011.20136.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com>


 Aaack! I'm so sorry Dahlia. I meant to save draft that until I could go 
find your name and put it in there. ~horribly embarresed look~ Please 
forgive me! 
 Tons of fudge sheep to Dhalia for the mistake, and to my fellow 
list-sibs for the non-Misty content. 

 Stars light your path,
  Sorana S. Stargem
etc.

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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 23:35:14 -0600
From: Amy Trujillo <trujillo-+AT+-southwind.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: storm constantine/other misty books/sfsite/maps
Message-ID: <365A458E.9B9-+AT+-southwind.net>

Heyla everyone,

Shantaya Autumnleaf said:

> 
> My ObMisty: I love maps and therefore studied the maps in Misty's books very 
> closely. Did anyone else notice that the Pelagir hills seem to wander around? 
> Some maps have them in the North of Valdemar, close to the FOrest of Sorrows and 
> others show them where I would have looked for them, i.e. near the Dorisha 
> Plains. The maps were created by the same person. Did I miss something in the 
> books? Did those hills really move or is it a mistake on Victor Wrenn's behalf?
> 
I had noticed that too and it kind of confused me until I remembered a
conversation that Jedrik and Roald had in Oathbreakers,  They were
discussing the fact that each of their countries had an area of land
that they called the Pelagirs.  I think the Pelagirs would change on the
map depending upon who was drawing the map.  Also in the case of time
passing the Hawkbrothers would have cleansed some of those areas and the
people making the map would have adjusted the boundry according to the
change in the Pelagirs.   

Hope that wasn't too confusing,

Amy 
Ferret Friend
Lady of All Things Missing, Especially Socks

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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 21:48:04 PST
From: "Judy Craigo" <kechara9-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Some Questions
Message-ID: <19981124054804.11541.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com>




hey everybody, out of lurkdom i come again!
sombody asked:

>
>Which colour are the clothes of healers?
>Heralds wear white, Bards green, but what's the uniform colour of a 
healer?

i think i rember that the bard where red (rust/brown for trainees) and  
i think the term "healers greens" was mentioned in one of the many books 
somewhere

>Is the collegium of the Healers next to the collegium of the Bards and 
the
>Heralds? it'S in the Centre of Haven, isn't it?

yes, i think it's all one complex/campus type set up.  in AOQ, someone 
(sherill) tells talia about the color system to identify trainees, which 
suggests to me that the trainees are all training in closse proximity to 
one an other

>How gets a Herald usually chosen by a Companion? Does the Companion 
"say"

>any certain words to the partner?

only a compainion knows the "why" of a choosing but they will always 
give their name to their chosen, even if it's the only time that they 
speak mind to mind (which i don't really think is very fair.  yfandes 
mentioned when she 'spoke steph in MP that companions can ;speak 
whomever they choose reguardless of giftedness.  so that makes me wonder 
why some (like roland to talia) are silent.  any thoughts?

>I hope you can give me some answers!  :o)

i hope this helps.  iwas just happy, for i get so little time to reply 
to stuff on the list, that i can answer some questions

i;m still having an identity crisis.  i was going to go by xepher, but i 
think that their already is one on list (spelled differently though) i 
don't want to infringe on anyone's name, so i think i will now call 
myself "fresnel" (i'm pretty sure that that one wasn't taken)
bright the day to all, 
and cranbury flavored sheep to all (turkey day's a'coming :-)
formerly judy (though not judy wood, a different judy *grin*), but now 
and evermore
fresnel


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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:26:29 -0500 (EST)
From: tan3-+AT+-cornell.edu
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: storm constantine/other misty books/sfsite/maps
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.981124081357.760A-100000-+AT+-travelers.mail.cornell.edu>



On Mon, 23 Nov 1998, Autumnleaf wrote:

> Try the Di Tregarde books. They are Urban Fantasy with a romance writer witch 
> and a lovely vampire (who only appears personally in one book and two short 
> stories). 

*Head goes up, ears perk up, eyes light up, etc* Short stories? What's 
this? Or, I suppose I should ask, *where* is there? Are these? Ok, my 
grammer is bad. Sorry. :)

As for the Pelagirs/Pelagris Forest question, I believe that it was 
mentioned in one of the Storm books that they are actually extentions of 
each other. I always guessed that they Talaydras initially entered the 
Uncleansed Lands between the two and then basically worked mostly 
Southward or something, so now there is a swath of tamed lands separating 
the two.

************* Fluff *******************
Zephyr pauses for a second, glaring with annoyance at the spider walking 
nonchalantly across her screen. Normally, this really wouldn't bother her 
too much, but she reasoned, "I'm in a Chemistry Lab! What does this thing 
eat anyway?" She shrugs and her train of thought resumes its journey.
*********** End Fluff *****************

I've been entertaining a theory about the style of OwlFlight ever since 
reading it. Now, many people have mentioned that compared to Misty's 
other novels, it seems overly simplistic, almost trite at times. People 
talked about the ease with with the boy was adopted into the clan, how 
everything fell together just so just at the right moment, etc. Could it 
be that this is the first book of hers that we have read that is coming 
from the point of view of a very young person? Every other book that we 
have read has been from the point of view of a young adult, or someone 
with the maturity level of a young adult. Here, our protagonist is a 
child. A young, traumatized child at that. His adoption was 
facilitated by his youth: we've been told that the Shi'a'in and the 
Taleydras both cherish youngsters greatly. Wouldn't that make his 
adoption easier? 

Ok, I've rambled longer than I intended to. My apologies to all. :)

Zephyr
tan3-+AT+-cornell.edu
"Wild nights are my glory" 
	- Mrs. Whatsit

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 21:33:37 +0800
From: "Angie" <heraldtg-+AT+-mbox3.singnet.com.sg>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: pelagirs/choosing
Message-ID: <01be17af$0a4bad80$0100007f-+AT+-heraldtg>

Hillo ho ho listsibs... ;)

I'm sure you've heard enough of this, but: Healers--Greens, Bards--Scarlets, and
Heralds-Whites. Guards where a dark blue, and the other young nobles, and
artificers wear light/blue.

Aurora Dawnstar wrote:
:(Is there by any chance a deity of overflowing book shelves one could apply
:to?)


I seriously need to apply... my shelves are stacked three rows to one shelf, and
the books are overflowing to my table and to my floor. ;) guess i should spend
more time in the libraries... ;)

<pelagir vs pelagiris?>
well, in Owlflight, they made a distinction... the pelagiris forest and pelagirs
mountains... ugh, *winces* but in LHM, there was no difference... guess the
terminology changes over the years... oh wait, there was no diff in the mage
storms... :) maybe the storms affected their brains?

:Good grief... Eldan... I loved that guy... but it's been forever since I've
:read those books... :-) getting deja vu :-)


Yay Eldan!!!!! <~ooooh looky, 5!
I totally agree with Raven there, but heh, she's already said it all...

<<It just seems like to me in all of the books I've read recently the
Companions find their Chosen... <i.e.: Vanyel, Tylendel, Savil <I
think>, Talia, Tashir... etc...>  Who knows.>>

Van was in Haven, 'Lendel was at his home with the rest of the Frelennyes... but
i have no idea _where_ it was. The Lesharas were neighbours with the Frelennyes
(they could quarrel over cattle couldn't they?) and 'Lendel had to Gate to them,
so obviously, they aren't very near... (Lancir took weeks to get back after
cleaning up after 'lendel.)
Talia was chosen all the way at the border, so it's obvious that Rolan had to
look for her. (mentioned in AotQ)


that's all! strawberry jam sheep to everyone!

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 21:55:05 +0800
From: "Angie" <heraldtg-+AT+-mbox3.singnet.com.sg>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Owlflight
Message-ID: <01be17b2$0a5df5a0$0100007f-+AT+-heraldtg>

sorry for the double mail folks, but i have to reply to this... ;)

Zephyr wrote:
:Could it
:be that this is the first book of hers that we have read that is coming
:from the point of view of a very young person? <snip>
Wouldn't that make his
:adoption easier?


hmm, yes... you have a point. But look here... even youngsters have to know the
truth and the real work of the Tayledras don't they?Maybe the excuse could be
given that they were rushed, they were in a hurry to save a village, it's after
the storms, they had to secure nodes, etc, but still... the "ceremony" or lack
of it, brings a bitter taste.
yes, excuse that Darian is young and all that does work to explain the
simplicity of it all, but it's not the grammar or the vocab that's at fault
here, it's the plot... really "duh" links and predictable conclusions... not
that i could do better, but Misty definitely can...

hmm... got this extra from a reviewer about Owlsight:
"However, this time the story lacks the vigorous action of the debut novel or
Ms. Lackey's "Valdemar" series"

umm... what action?

mint cream sheep to everyone, and apologies for the double mail

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:46:05 +0100
From: "Kerstin Bauer" <bauerke-+AT+-asam.baynet.de>
To: "ML-LISTE" <MERCEDES-LACKEY-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Some Questions
Message-ID: <01be17b9$29f58f20$LocalHost-+AT+-talia>

i think i rember that the bard where red (rust/brown for trainees) and  
>i think the term "healers greens" was mentioned in one of the many books 
>somewhere
>
>>Is the collegium of the Healers next to the collegium of the Bards and 
>the
>>Heralds? it'S in the Centre of Haven, isn't it?
>
>yes, i think it's all one complex/campus type set up.  in AOQ, someone 
>(sherill) tells talia about the color system to identify trainees, which 
>suggests to me that the trainees are all training in closse proximity to 
>one an other

yes, I remember, I just wasn't sure...

>It's all together in the center of Haven, yes... I think in one of the
>books there is an actual map of Haven, or at least of the collegium.
>Anyone know?
really??? in whoch book???
>
>i hope this helps.  iwas just happy, for i get so little time to reply 
>to stuff on the list, that i can answer some questions
>
Thanks a lot to everyone!



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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:17:47 -0500
From: Paige Preston-Walker <ppwalker-+AT+-sympatico.ca>
To: ml <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Mistyakes
Message-ID: <365ACE1B.4EFF-+AT+-sympatico.ca>

Eleonora Scoseria wrote:
> I know some other "mistyakes" have been discussed, and personally, I find
> that kind of thing annoying. When I am willing to read an author's work
> (never mind the fact that I am also paying to do so) and I am basically
> entering their world, and putting part of myself into the reading and the
> weaving of the story, I expect them to be *consistent*. And there are
> several discrepancies out there where Misty is concerned, and personally, I
> wish she was more careful. (I was outraged over Tindel in OBreakers becoming
> Tilden in Oathblood *g*).
> Or Savil's Companion Kellan being of a different gender in one of the main
> stories in Sword of Ice.
> Or...
> I am sure there are quite a few out there. Actually, does anyone have a list
> or is interested in contributing with suitable textevd? *g* If so, email me
> privately (eleonora-+AT+-infodynamics.com.uy), and I can put together a list. Who
> knows, they might be fewer than I imagine, and then I will have to eat my
> words ;).

It seems to me that it's not until something is so good that you're
reading, watching, etc., many times that you start to notice all the
mistakes.  I mean, look at Star Trek.  The are books dedicated solely to
listing the lack of continuity, the fumbles, etc.  No one would know
anything about them if they only watched the show once.

With Misty's books you have to read them *all* a number of times in
order to notice everthing that's wrong.

I, personally don't mind them, I just think that she's written, what, 21
books, that are all tied together some way, all of the series out of
order, and sometimes writing two or more series' at the same time!  In
my mind she would have to employ someone full time to read all the books
over and over, in order to catch half of them.

-- 
Paige
proud to be Outlandish
(to e-mail double the p and take out the "reston")

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 19:57:33 +0100
From: Autumnleaf-+AT+-t-online.de (Autumnleaf)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re:  storm constantine/ misty stories/maps
Message-ID: <m0ziNeX-0005DlC-+AT+-fwd01.btx.dtag.de>

Heyla all,

Tylendel Dotzauer wrote:
> Autumnleaf:
> >Oh, I love Storm COnstantine. She is one of my favourites! 
>
> so do you know if Storm is a she?
> :-) that's something that's perplexed me and my best friend for awhile,
> although the ending of the Wraeththu books would hint that that is
> correct... <shrug>

Yes, I've seen pictures of her on her homepage. *rumages on her desk* Now, where 
did I put the address? *sighs* I wondered on her gender myself because her books 
were written in a "female" way. Can't explain that, it's just a feeling. The way 
her women acted and reacted and felt and talked. It was so natural. *shrugs*

> heee... well... I've only been around for about 2 months... and I never got
> a newbie initation... <looking around cautiously for flying buckets....>
> :-)

"You never?" Torell, the JEster is so astonished that he drops the bowl with 
vegetable soup right on Ty's feet. "Welcome to the Listy Mist!" :)

Equipped with a fresh bowl of soup he heads straight for Dahlia, who has this 
nice Red Jester name in her address. "Here you are", he says and hands her the 
bowl, "I made sure Shantaya didn't brew it. Welcome to the Madhouse or is it 
Mad Hall? Did you read the Newbiefest? You may find it under ... hmph, were did 
Shantaya put this addy, now? Well, if you have any questions just pester the 
people with Councilor in their sigs. They are glad to help."
And off he goes.

"Art thou another Newbie?" he inquires from Sash Ellion. "If yes, here, take 
this nice snowball. It will splosh you as soon as I am out of reach." Lucky for 
Sash Ellison the snowball is made of uncold and dry snow.
*********** END FLUFF ************

Me:
> Try the Di Tregarde books. They are Urban Fantasy with a romance writer witch 
> and a lovely vampire (who only appears personally in one book and two short 
> stories). 

And Zephyr:
>*Head goes up, ears perk up, eyes light up, etc* Short stories? What's 
>this? Or, I suppose I should ask, *where* is there? Are these? Ok, my 
>grammer is bad. Sorry. :)

They are called "Nightside" and "Satanic, Versus" and both appeared in THe Best 
of Marion Zimmer Bradley's Fantasy Magzine I and II resp. The first one is the 
first story that ever had Di in it and is kind of a short version of "Children 
of the Night". But still worth the read. And the second is the best story I ever 
read! I nearly laughed my head of.

Wind to Thy Wings
Shantaya Autumnleaf
and Torell, the JEster, her familiar
Wearer of the Magic Mokassins


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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:30:46 -0500
From: Paige Preston-Walker <ppwalker-+AT+-sympatico.ca>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Some Questions
Message-ID: <365B1776.7EF3-+AT+-sympatico.ca>

Judy Craigo wrote:
<snip>
> only a compainion knows the "why" of a choosing but they will always
> give their name to their chosen, even if it's the only time that they
> speak mind to mind (which i don't really think is very fair.  yfandes
> mentioned when she 'spoke steph in MP that companions can ;speak
> whomever they choose reguardless of giftedness.  so that makes me wonder
> why some (like roland to talia) are silent.  any thoughts?
> 

I've often wondered that myself.  Yfandes says they don't like to use
it(the ability to speak to anyone) much, Rolan (in Storm Rising (I
think) says it takes a lot of effort, but Sayvil does it all the time. 
What's up with that?  Although, maybe Sayvil can do it because she
was/is a mage?
-- 
Paige
proud to be Outlandish
(to e-mail double the p and take out the "reston")

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 16:09:01 PST
From: "Raven Darkblade" <abbykat-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Some Questions
Message-ID: <19981125000901.7737.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com>

<<I've often wondered that myself.  Yfandes says they don't like to use 
it(the ability to speak to anyone) much, Rolan (in Storm Rising (I
think) says it takes a lot of effort, but Sayvil does it all the time.  
What's up with that?  Although, maybe Sayvil can do it because she 
was/is a mage?>>

I don't think ability has anything to do with it. Sayvil is just too 
contrary to pretend she can't. Rolan and the other Companions who won't 
Mindspeak people who don't have the Gift are playing by a set of 
unwritten rules. Sayvil is ignoring those rules.

Zha'hai'allav'a,
Raven and Mor,
dispensing with the sig tonight.


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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 21:20:17 -0800
From: skyfire-+AT+-t-online.de (skyfire)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: OT: invasions
Message-ID: <365B9391.91317865-+AT+-t-online.de>

Becky Cary had this in her .sig: 

> In general, France is a safe travel destination, though travelers are
> advised that, from time to time, it is invaded by Germany.

Hey, that's not quite fair! These days, the invasions only take place on
the weekends, and only in the Alsatian region - and we leave our money
there... <bg>

--

Khenta B., guilty as charged ;)


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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:06:46 -0800
From: Peter Allen <minterra-+AT+-frontiernet.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Companions/Pelagirs
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19981124220646.0083b800-+AT+-pop3.frontiernet.net>

Paige wrote :
>I've often wondered that myself.  Yfandes says they don't like to use
>it(the ability to speak to anyone) much, Rolan (in Storm Rising (I
>think) says it takes a lot of effort, but Sayvil does it all the time. 
>What's up with that?  Although, maybe Sayvil can do it because she
>was/is a mage?

   My personal opinion is that Sayvil is as care-free and opinionated about the Companions having secrets when they shouldn't as she was opinionated about other things when she was human ;). Imo, Companions have learned how to, if not lie, then carefully craft their words so that their Chosen don't find out the truth about them. It takes outlanders to figure out that they're more spirits than animals. Of course, that could be them allowing their Chosen to be especially dense, too *g*. Perhaps one of their forgotten beliefs, as happened with magery?

---

   Two questions in regards to the Pelagirs, actually. The first is, do we know how many Hawkbrother tribes there are that have been working on cleansing the lands? That might give a good idea at the progress that they have made in seven hundred years.
   Also, even though the forest might be cleansed, it can still be called part of the Pelagir Forest, right? From what I gather, there are farmers that move into the cleansed lands slowly, but there are also hertasi tribes that stay within the forest itself.

Bright be thy day,

   Wintershard
   Councilor of Mist
   http://www.herald.co.uk/local_info/rules_thumb.html
   http://www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/pers/misty/newbiefest.html

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:59:40 PST
From: "Judy Craigo" <kechara9-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: gratitude
Message-ID: <19981125065940.8076.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com>

*a girl dressed in all black stands in the hall, she sighs observing the 
food/snow fight going on, heaves her bag to her shoulder and slowly 
walks out towards mundania....*
heyla all! i just wanted to wish everyone a happy holiday, and safe 
travel to all going home or elsewhere.  There has been a mass exodus 
from my dorm, and it's very quiet here as the last stragglers prepare to 
leave.  The good thing, home and mom's cooking, the bad thing, losing 
internet access and coming home to five days worth of mail
oh well, the things i do for turkey *giggle*
anyway, this isn't really list relate (please don't flame!!!), but i 
really wanted to pass it along.  My RA has to put together a bulletin 
board each month and this month she place a cutout shaped like an open 
hand with each residents name on it.  in the spirt of thanksgiving we 
were supposed to write five things we were thankful for on our hand.  we 
all went a litte overboard and wrote as many as we could fit, but it 
made me thing of all of the things that there are to be greatful for, by  
having to write my own, and by reading others.  it was a touching 
exercise that i thought as many people as possible should know about and 
think about

i suppose i should put an obmisty in here shouldn't i?
do you think that valdamar has anything comparable to our thanksgiving?
(i'm sorry that's cheesy, but it's all i could think of)
sorry about the little-misty related post
bright the day
sweet potato sheep with marshmallow to all
 fresnel

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