MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1826

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: Heyla!! Remember me?
	by Jolizith-+AT+-aol.com
  2) Re: Heyla!! Remember me?
	by Jolizith-+AT+-aol.com
  3) Really short...sorry!
	by Dancekbg-+AT+-aol.com
  4) Re: Vent-Christmas and grief
	by "Oceania Angels" <bastet11-+AT+-hotmail.com>
  5) Catch-up braid-thing.
	by "Raven Darkblade" <abbykat-+AT+-hotmail.com>

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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 23:23:10 EST
From: Jolizith-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Heyla!! Remember me?
Message-ID: <14d6807.3685b62e-+AT+-aol.com>

In a message dated 12/26/98 8:32:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jkeeb-+AT+-mindspring.com writes:

<< I like the idea of James Earl Jones for the Companions voices. But
 wouldn't younger children think of Mufasa?
  >>

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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 23:24:08 EST
From: Jolizith-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Heyla!! Remember me?
Message-ID: <825e18a1.3685b668-+AT+-aol.com>

In a message dated 12/26/98 8:32:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jkeeb-+AT+-mindspring.com writes:

<< I like the idea of James Earl Jones for the Companions voices. But
 wouldn't younger children think of Mufasa?
  >>

Yes, but the older ones would know they were really Dearth Vadar. ;)

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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 18:07:49 EST
From: Dancekbg-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Really short...sorry!
Message-ID: <c06acbf4.3686bdc5-+AT+-aol.com>

Heyla list-sibs.  My brain is still in the frying pan, but this just popped
into my head:

Carlos Moya as Vanyel.  He's a Spanish (I think) tennis player.  he has the
look that I consider to be Vanyel-esque.

Okay...let me try to think of something, hopefully an ObMisty, to prevent
flaming.
Hmmmm....

Oh!

Possible spoiler for Storms!!!
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Okay--Solaris puts a spell on Tremane that makes him always have to tell the
truth, right?  Why couldn't he counter it?  was it a magic unheard of to them,
or do you think Vkandis held it?  Also--do you think all Sons of the Sun had
sun-related names?  Wait, no, duh (Hansa, Altra didn't)  So why did Solaris?
Koinkydink?

That's all for now...longer than I thought!  ;-)

Windy

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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 15:22:03 PST
From: "Oceania Angels" <bastet11-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Vent-Christmas and grief
Message-ID: <19981227232204.16953.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com>

Heyla!
 Amy-I'm so sorry that you lost so many loved ones this Christmas. It's 
miserable I know. I lost my Grandmother five years ago around Christmas. 
No one had any warning. The blessing was that she died without pain. 

 Val Kilmer as Firesong?! AAAAAHHHHHH ~runs screaming in terror~ Sorry. 
I still remember him as Mad Martagan from Willow. And Mad Martagan just 
doesn't make me think of Firesong. <G>

 I got Owlflight for Christmas! And Born to Run! I'm reading Born to Run 
first. :) I got the tape of By the Sword too. Was that supposed to be 
Warrl singing that one song? The one about mindspeaking? It sure doesn't 
sound like 'him'.....

 Stars light your path,
  Sorana S. Stargem
Herald-trainee,              %-+AT+-"So free for a moment
High Priestess to the Goddess%-+AT+-Lost somewhere between the earth and 
of Unicorns,                 %-+AT+-the sky
Goddess of Flions,           %-+AT+-So free for a moment
Knight of Amber and Marigold,%-+AT+-Lost because I want to be lost
Knight of the OOUH           %-+AT+-Don't try to find me"
-+AT+-%-+AT+-%-+AT+-%-+AT+-%-+AT+-%-+AT+-%-+AT+-%-+AT+-%-+AT+-%-+AT+-%-+AT+-%-+AT+-%-+AT+-%-+AT+-%-+AT+-%-+AT+---The Martinis





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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 17:33:48 PST
From: "Raven Darkblade" <abbykat-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Catch-up braid-thing.
Message-ID: <19981228013354.7732.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com>

Heyla.

I trust you'll all forgive me if this is horrendously long and 
incredibly scattered. I've been gone since the eighteenth, and having 
major school troubles; hence, I've been very out of touch and sometimes 
have trouble putting two thoughts together.

So, here we go, and my apologies for not attributing the quotes.

<<You know I think would play a good Vanyel? Jason Carter. He played 
Marcus on Babylon 5. There is a picture of him at this web address: 
http://babylon5.warnerbros.com/dld/beings/season4/s4marcus.jpg>>

Marcus! What a handsome fellow. And the voice! Thing is, what does he 
look like without facial hair? I can't picture him without, and I can't 
see Vanyel with. Someone else said that Jason Carter is a little too 
rugged for Vanyel, and I'm inclined to agree. I have a few other ideas 
for him though. :)

<<And I could kind of see Jeff Kober from Kindred: The Embraced playing 
Randale. But maybe that's just me. I think I have kind of weird and 
obscure taste in TV shows, and I can't think of anybody terribly famous 
who I could see playing any of the parts. Oh, and I could see Channon 
Roe as Vedric Mavelan (from Magic's Promise.)>>

Though I did for a brief time watch Kindred, I cannot put a face to the 
name of Jeff Kober. And hell if I know who Channon Roe is. Mainstream, I 
am.

<<Oh, and an unrelated little niggly that has been running through my 
mind since I reread some of the books. It seems that, at least in the 
Arrows books and By the Sword, there is quite a point made that the 
characters try to bathe regularly, that their instructors/mentors 
consider this important. It seems like sort of an interesting thing to 
emphasize.>>

I've noticed that. Maybe Misty is a clean freak? :) Or maybe it was just 
one of those things she felt was applicable, since regular bathing 
wasn't nearly as important in the past as it has become in our century.

On Cherif Fortin:
<<eek. sorry for the one-liner, but yes! haha... finally one person who 
looks close to the pic of van on the cover.... ;p>>

Isn't it great? He's got that refined, beautiful look to him. And 
manages to look manly in lace. 

<<Savil once said, in LHM: "Companions carry only their Chosen.." so why 
did Florian carry Karal, mindspeak him, and treat him, for all the 
world, like his Chosen? was the only thing stopping Florian from 
Choosing Karal the fact that he was already bonded with a Firecat?>>

Perhaps it had something to do with the fact that Florian hadn't chosen 
anyone. I got the impression it was something of a special case, similar 
to Yfandes carrying Stefen in MPrice and Darkwind doubling with Elspeth 
on Gwena.

<<<Waitaminit, Bastian B. Bux is a real person? Michael Ende should sue 
for copyright infringement.>>>
<<How? From the grave? Only if Anita raises him as a zombie (now that 
you're bringing LKH into this...) ;)>>

Oh, just my attempt at vague humor. I know he's dead. Still, if that 
middle B. stands for Balthazar, I may never recover.

On a completely OT note, who here has read Laurell K. Hamilton's book 
Nightseer? I got it for Christmas and really liked it, thought it ran a 
little too quickly and choppily in places.

<<Kerowyn:  The lass who played Callisto in Xena (I forget her name)>>

Hudson Lieck? I don't know, I never could picture her as Kero. Granted, 
I only saw one episode with her and that was a while back, but...

<<Alberich:   Okay, how about Patrick Stewart?>>

I've never really cared for Stewart, really.

<<Karal: How about Elijah Wood?>>

As I can't bring a face to mind for Elijah Wood or Karal, I won't yea or 
nay him.

<<Daran: (at least in Winds trilogy and later): Timothy Dalton?>>

Daren, y'mean? Isn't Timothy Dalton getting a tad old? Or am I getting 
him mixed up with someone else? He was Bond in License to Kill, right?

<<ohh -- okay, how about Antonio Banderas as Darkwind?>>

He's always looked a bit nefarious to me. I can see him as Rafael the 
Rat King (LKH again, forgive me) but not as Darkwind.

Ancar, maybe...

<<Mornelithe Falconsbane--Gary Oldman...I love him as the bad guy>>

Oh, I love Gary Oldman. He does bad so well. I object here on two 
counts, though.
Firstly, Gary Oldman has declared that he's not going to play any more 
villains. Or so I read in an interview with him about Lost In Space.
Secondly, while Jack Nicholson and Gary Oldman and Sean Connery are such 
spectacular actors, Mornelithe Falconsbane is supposed to be gorgeous 
and ooze sex and they--aren't, and don't (well, you can make a case for 
Connery, but I can't see him physically as Falconsbane for all that).

<<Di Caprio can at least act <he was SO good in Gilbert grape> but the 
American accent might create a few problems<g> as 'Lendel. Nice sort of 
Elvenish face though... J. Brandis looked a little like that for a 
while...>>

Ah, Jonathan Brandis. He was my favorite blond for quite a while--don't 
jeer, I'm a seaQuest nut. Maxwell Caulfield is vying for that position 
now, le drool. Now there's a Tylendel. But I think he's a tad old by 
this time.

<<Emma Thompson wouldn't be bad as Selenay. Kate Winslet could do 
Elspeth quite well <she was very self-centred as Marie-Anne in Sense and 
Sensiblity... and I can see her in the meeting-fight with Darkwind if 
nothing else>.>>

I'm not sure about Thompson for Selenay--I've always pictured her as, 
though not less beautiful, a little warmer in looks. A little less 
elegant. Kind of like my mother.

Kate Winslet would do a good Elspeth, I think, if she were a little less 
pretty. 

<<Villains... Anthony Hopkins as Tremane would be good <not really a 
villain though>.>>

I love Anthony Hopkins. I think he could pull off Tremane well. He's 
never, ever over the top, always verging on soft-spoken. He could also 
do Ulrich nicely.

<<Ancar... can't help but think that they guy who plays Ares in Xena and 
Hercules would be good... not sure why but... Maybe he'd be better as 
falconsbane though... I see Ancar as smaller<g>>>

I could see Ares as Ancar. He's got the dark, sultry, vaguely sinister 
good looks going.

<<Kero would be a challenge... Meryl Streep/Glen Close could do an older 
Kero I think...>>

I'm not really fond of either of those actresses, looks-wise. And, I'm 
not sure either of them could pull off Kero's blunt, no-bullshit 
Attitude quite right.

<<It was said in one of the books that most gryphons aren't powerful 
mages, just journeymen.  Right?  Does anyone think it's not a 
coincidence that Hydona and Treyvan were Masters?  Ya know, that they 
were the ones who were chosen as envoys and that they were the gryphons 
who went out from the clan to search for more land or whatever?  Is any 
of that even right????  Like I said, my brain is FRIED!!!>>

In truth, I don't recall it ever being said that most gryphons don't 
have much by way of mage-power. D'you remember where it said that?

<<<the voice of anyone - Gilbert Godfrey>>>
<<*giggle* Oh come on now.. it can't be that bad:

  "I choose you. All right already? Hellloooo? Can we blink any slower 
here? I'm missing my ten o'clock with the other Companions.">>

Oh, God, Wintershard, you about killed me with that one.

<<Vanyel- Hulk Hogan or Jesse "The Mind" Ventura (for those who don't 
know, these two were professional wrestlers, and Mr. Ventura is now 
governer of....umm, Wisconsin(sp?), I think)>>

Actually that's "The Body," not "The Mind," and from all counts Mr. 
Ventura is a perfectly intelligent and decent person. But hey.

That's the only touching on the 'worst casting' thread I'm going to do. 
It's too easy to find people who'd stink for the roles. There are lots.

<<Jadrek: Gabriel Burnes <?><sp>>>

Gabriel Byrne? I like him lots. Tres cool. There are a number of parts 
he could play.

<<Young Keth: girl from zorro- <she'd also be good as Robin from Bardic 
Voices>>>

I can't really see Catherine Zeta-Jones as Keth--Kethry's blonde hair 
and green eyes are something of a big part of the character, and though 
Ms. Zeta-Jones is beautiful all right, she's too dark. I could see her 
as Robin, though.

<<Jaysen: Roy Sheider>>

Roy Scheider? Captain Bridger? Eeee. I like him, and he can act, but I'm 
not sure there's a part in Velgarth for him.

<<Keren: Stephanie Beacham>>

This is turning into seaQuest redux. I can *almost* see that. I think I 
like Stephanie Beacham better for a part more along the lines of Ylsa or 
what's-her-name at the Collegium--Gaytha?

<<anyways, not to beat a dead cat (what's the analogy?), but i recently 
read Jinx High....now, i KNOW why misty is writing no more Di Tregard 
books <disappointed sigh> but after reading the end of Jinx High, i 
wonder if she had planned to...i mean, it ended very unsolved....Fay, or 
the evil  spirit inhabiting Fay, is still alive and kicking....(or so 
one would assume)....and my point??...ermm, i guess i don't have 
one...just making a senseless observation...>>

I tend to agree with you; Jinx High begs for a sequel. It's obvious that 
'Fay' went back to Rowena's body when Di blasted her--Rowena, when Fay 
was tormenting her, asked where 'Aunt Emily' had come from, making it 
clear that there was never a real Aunt Emily. At the end, 
the-Servant-as-Aunt-Emily is there with Rowena. Had Fay truly died, Aunt 
Emily would have been long gone. 

<<btw, didn't anyone else LOVE the way monica just blew off alan and 
deke???...i just giggled and giggled...hey, it was no more than they 
deserved....boys, hmph.....>>

That was great. So was their reaction to Di's unmasking of the 
succubus--'we screwed _that?_'

<<i KNOW somebody has asked this before, but i can't remember...does 
anyone know if they are still alive at the end of the winds 
trilogy???...if not, there goes my floundering hope....it so, 
hmmmm....>>

Tarma is definitely dead, as she is among the leshya'e Kalenedral--it's 
heavily implied that she is the one in Storms, and in Winds one of the 
veiled Kalenedral speaks in Elspeth's mind and calls her 'student of my 
student.' There's never any further appearances for Kethry or Warrl.

Now, for my casting wish-list:

Vanyel: Cherif Fortin, still. Gorgeous man.
Kero: Claudia Christian. Susan Ivanova from Babylon 5. Such great 
sarcasm.
And what the hell? Eldan: Jason Carter. He's more or less got the 
coloring, is very "easy on the eyes" and is capable of being so 
wonderfully sweet. It's be kind of a waste of the quirky streak he 
displayed as Marcus Cole, but...
Talia: Winona Ryder. I have maintained this for some time.
Alberich: Sean Connery. He's older, has an accent, and can do both 
Imposing and Sensitive nicely.
Daren: Maybe Val Kilmer, maybe Patrick Swayze? Dunno here. He needs one 
of those clean-cut, square-jawed, classic American boys. Bruce 
Boxleitner?
Selenay: There's someone at the tip of my tongue, whose name I can't 
quite bring to mind. Susan Sarandon could probably pull off the part.
Nyara: Michelle Pfeiffer has the felinity pretty much down, and can ooze 
sex if necessary.
Darkwind: What's-his-face who played the main role in Last of the 
Mohicans. Was that Daniel Day Lewis? I'm not sure.
Elspeth: Again, there is someone on the tip of my tongue, whose name I 
can't quite grasp.
Tarma: I can't bring to mind any good actresses with the proper severe, 
ethnic look, but I know there are some 'cause I remember having seen 
them.
Tremane, or Ulrich: Anthony Hopkins. He could play either of those 
roles. Jeremy Irons could also play either role.
Jadrek: I'm inclined to say Robert Redford. He's blond, he's older, he's 
handsome, and he can act. If he were a little younger he could play 
Daren.
The Haighlei king--what was his name again?: Morgan Freeman, who is from 
my home state of Mississippi and who takes his horses to the vet school 
at which my mother works. Or he could play Geyr.
A rather flippant suggestion here: Bruce Campbell, Autoclius (I know I 
mangled that) from Hercules, as Skif? Maybeso, maybeno. There's a part 
for him someplace, I'm sure.
I want to say Chris Sarandon (Prince Humperdinck) for Faram.
Moondance: Christopher Lambert, who learned his Old Man On The Mountain 
act from Sean Connery in Highlander and learned it well. The only truly 
good thing about Mortal Kombat, unless you're a big martial arts fan. 
There are half a dozen other good parts for him, too.
I can almost see Withen Ashevron as Brian Dennehy.
Leareth: Antonio Banderas?

I'll be adding others as they come to me and as I read four and Twenty 
Blackbirds and Owlflight, both of which I got for Christmas along with 
Nightseer, one of the newest Dragonlance books, a book by Terry 
Pratchett, two anthologies of retold fairy tales, and a gorgeous copy of 
Tolkein's Lord of the Rings, bound in dark russet leather and embossed 
in gold and blue and green.

There are also a number of actors who I know there are parts for, but 
who I can't quite place. Most of them are mainstream to the extreme, but 
they are good actors. (At least I think so.)
Mel Gibson
Kiefer Sutherland, a la the Three Musketeers.
Richard Gere
Cary Elwes, but only if he grows his hair out a little, Westley-style.
Harrison Ford, who may be a little too much for any part in Velgarth, 
and tends to get typecast.
Mark Hamill. Okay, he doesn't have much of a career any more, but he's 
good.
Tom Burlinson--Jim Craig, for anyone who watched and remembers Man From 
Snowy River or Return To Snowy River. And what sappy movies they are.

Oh! now I remember who I was thinking of for Selenay. Robin Wright, of 
Princess Bride fame. She also played Jenny in Forrest Gump, but wasn't 
very Selenay-esque in that. She could also maybe play Kethry or Solaris.

I want desperately to say Mandy Patinkin (Inigo Montoya) but damn if I 
can think of a part for him.
Julia Ormond, perhaps.
Michael Douglass
If there were any human comic relief characters I would say Oliver 
Platt, but I can't think of any.
I like Pierce Brosnan but can't think of any parts for him that would 
really fit. Maybe Amberdrake? Eh.
I also like the fellow who played Captain Love in The Mask of Zorro. Not 
sure if there's a part for him, though.

I think that's about enough for now.

Zha'hai'allav'a,
Raven Darkblade and Mor the raven, her familiar,
Holy Hand of the Goddess of Elves,
Member of the Mistic Circle,
Knight and Founding Member of the Order of Unsung Heroes, Advocator of 
Eldan, Champion of Kethra and Hyllarr, and Devotee of Maclyn.

abbykat-+AT+-hotmail.com
http://www.angelfire.com/ky/Ashke/

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