MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1878

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) 
	by "Li'nia Stormdancer" <lstormdancer-+AT+-hotmail.com>
  2) anything
	by "Kristy Lyseng" <moonshade_noema-+AT+-hotmail.com>
  3) What does "chern" mean?
	by Jim Gray <jgray-+AT+-altoona.com>
  4) Re: What does 
	by "Abigail Laughlin" <abbykat-+AT+-hotmail.com>
  5) Re: What does "chern" mean?
	by Ingrid <i.atkinson-+AT+-sk.sympatico.ca>
  6) Re: anything
	by Obsidian <odessius-+AT+-softhome.net>
  7) Re: What does
	by Jim Gray <jgray-+AT+-altoona.com>
  8) Re: What does "chern" mean
	by Kenneth Allen Hyde <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 07:00:40 PST
From: "Li'nia Stormdancer" <lstormdancer-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Message-ID: <19990216150040.8258.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com>

Tamlin wrote:

>>Also, a question........Who was the member of Vanyel's family who also 
became a Herald?. I have a feeling it was a girl, and his niece, but was 
she a Herald or just a Herald Mage, and what was her name, and that of 
her Companion's?.<<

Vanyel's Aunt Savil was a Herald-Mage.  I believe her Companion's name 
was Kellen.........



Wind to thy wings!

Stormdance k'T'more and Kuus aka 
Li'nia Stormdancer, Peon to the Powers That Be,
Devotee to the Order of Unsung Heroes



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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 07:34:10 PST
From: "Kristy Lyseng" <moonshade_noema-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: anything
Message-ID: <19990216153411.4897.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com>

Heyla!

  Kristy looks around the practically deserted hall of Mist.> Well, 
whoever said that the list was quiet, I think they're right. Hmm. What 
to talk about. Oh! I'm getting my grad pics today! <bounces up and down 
excitedly> I'm nervous! This year is passing by so fast! <sigh> I just 
wish that things would slow down a bit.
  <looks around her head for any ideas that would start off a 
conversation and comes up unsuccessfully with nothing. Sighs> Sorry. I'm 
no help. Oh well. I think I'll just leave it up to the next person, 
unless we can talk about Herald uniforms? Does anybody know what they 
look like? All you hear from Talia is, "I wish I looked this good in 
Grays?" Oh, and another thing. I wish Misty would write more about the 
Bards of Valdemar. All we know about them is what is described in the 
LHM trilogy (and that wasn't one of me favs). It just irks me.
Love, Light and Laughter,
   Kristy (a.k.a.Noema, Dewshine, Starsong, and Silverstorm) 

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 19:34:51 -0500
From: Jim Gray <jgray-+AT+-altoona.com>
To: LackeyList <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: What does "chern" mean?
Message-ID: <36CA0EAB.BC1E0AEC-+AT+-altoona.com>

I'm guessing that the root "chern" means either "heart," "spirit," or
"soul."  Judging from what I've read (LHM and Gryphon series),
"shay'a'chern" means, roughly, "same-heart" and "kestra'chern" means,
roughly, "healer of heart (or spirit)".  Anyone know for sure?

Jim Gray
Vanyel wanna-be

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:22:33 PST
From: "Abigail Laughlin" <abbykat-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: What does 
Message-ID: <19990217012233.24187.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com>

<<I'm guessing that the root "chern" means either "heart," "spirit," or 
"soul."  Judging from what I've read (LHM and Gryphon series), 
"shay'a'chern" means, roughly, "same-heart" and "kestra'chern" means, 
roughly, "healer of heart (or spirit)".  Anyone know for sure?>>

Actually, 'kestra' in Shin'a'in means a casual friend. 'Shay' means same 
or like--'shay'a'chern' means 'one whose lover is like oneself,' and 
'shay'kreth'ashke' is a Tayledras word for one's lifebonded...
The moral of the story? Meanings in Kaled'a'in/Tayledras/Shin'a'in are 
fluid. Yes, the suffix 'chern probably has some meaning associated with 
heart/spirit/soul/self. There's probably not a specific that it can be 
nailed down to.

Out of curiosity, why do you ask?

Zha'hai'allav'a,
Raven Darkblade and Mor the raven,
Holy Hand of the Goddess of Elves,
Member of the Mistic Circle,
Knight and Founding Member of the Order of Unsung Heroes, Advocator of 
Eldan, Champion of Kethra and Hyllarr, Devotee of Maclyn, and Worshipper 
of Tal Rufen.

abbykat-+AT+-hotmail.com
http://www.angelfire.com/ky/Ashke/


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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 19:36:51 -0600
From: Ingrid <i.atkinson-+AT+-sk.sympatico.ca>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: What does "chern" mean?
Message-ID: <36CA1D33.5A0C0899-+AT+-sk.sympatico.ca>



Jim Gray wrote:

> I'm guessing that the root "chern" means either "heart," "spirit," or
> "soul."  Judging from what I've read (LHM and Gryphon series),
> "shay'a'chern" means, roughly, "same-heart" and "kestra'chern" means,
> roughly, "healer of heart (or spirit)".  Anyone know for sure?

Shay'a'chern means "one who's lover is like onself" I don't know what
kestra'chern means.
Sorry for something so short,
Ingrid Blythe, you know the rest
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dreamworld/4205/


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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:54:15 -0800
From: Obsidian <odessius-+AT+-softhome.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: anything
Message-ID: <36CA2144.3E7F9F3F-+AT+-softhome.net>

Heyla all,

About the Herald's uniforms. Well, for one their all white (of course). If
you look in
the back of WoFury cover where Skif and Nyara are, Skif is wearing the
whites.
And then so is Talia in the AotQ series.

Obsidian
ObsidianNight k'T'more
Member of the Tayledras Club

(Hey, I got my own sig *g*. If this qualifies as one.......:)

Kristy Lyseng wrote:

> Heyla!
>
>   Kristy looks around the practically deserted hall of Mist.> Well,
> whoever said that the list was quiet, I think they're right. Hmm. What
> to talk about. Oh! I'm getting my grad pics today! <bounces up and down
> excitedly> I'm nervous! This year is passing by so fast! <sigh> I just
> wish that things would slow down a bit.
>   <looks around her head for any ideas that would start off a
> conversation and comes up unsuccessfully with nothing. Sighs> Sorry. I'm
> no help. Oh well. I think I'll just leave it up to the next person,
> unless we can talk about Herald uniforms? Does anybody know what they
> look like? All you hear from Talia is, "I wish I looked this good in
> Grays?" Oh, and another thing. I wish Misty would write more about the
> Bards of Valdemar. All we know about them is what is described in the
> LHM trilogy (and that wasn't one of me favs). It just irks me.
> Love, Light and Laughter,
>    Kristy (a.k.a.Noema, Dewshine, Starsong, and Silverstorm)
>
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 21:25:02 -0500
From: Jim Gray <jgray-+AT+-altoona.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: What does
Message-ID: <36CA287E.1B9C0679-+AT+-altoona.com>

Abigail Laughlin wrote:
> 
> 
> Out of curiosity, why do you ask?
> 
> Zha'hai'allav'a,
> Raven Darkblade and Mor the raven,
> Holy Hand of the Goddess of Elves,
> Member of the Mistic Circle,
> Knight and Founding Member of the Order of Unsung Heroes, Advocator of
> Eldan, Champion of Kethra and Hyllarr, Devotee of Maclyn, and Worshipper
> of Tal Rufen.
> 
> abbykat-+AT+-hotmail.com
> http://www.angelfire.com/ky/Ashke/
> 
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No particular reason...just finished the Gryphon trilogy and the
similarity in the words stood out.  I have a little bit of a fascination
with languages (I once tried to translate the Ainulindale at the
beginning of the Silmarillion back into Quenya...) and the snips and
bits of whatever the language "shay'a'chern" and "kestra'chern" is have
been catching my brain.  I have to go find some more Valdemarish stories
and try to piece together a little more. (I've really only read the
Gryphon books and LHM so far).

Jim Gray
Vanyel wanna-be

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:02:03 -0500 (EST)
From: Kenneth Allen Hyde <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
To: Misty Lackey List <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: What does "chern" mean
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.05.9902162156430.14840-100000-+AT+-copland.udel.edu>

On Wed, 17 Feb 1999, Jim Gray wrote:

> the snips and bits of whatever the language "shay'a'chern" and
> "kestra'chern" is have been catching my brain.  I have to go find some
> more Valdemarish stories and try to piece together a little more.

Unfortunately, snips and bits is all that there are.  There isn't
sufficient data available to justify a morphological analysis of "chern"
in either Tayledras, Kaled'a'in, or Shin'a'in.  (Quite privately, I also
suspect that there never will be enough evidence, since Misty's languages
are not based on any principles but seem to grow out of a "what looks good
and exotic" approach.)  This is very different from the situation with
Tolkienian languages which were developed as complete languages by a
professional philologist (Tolkien held, iirc, a named professorship at
Oxford in Philology, specializing in Old Norse and proto-Germanic
languages).

Cennydd
Councilor of Mist

Kenneth Allen Hyde     |  No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife
Univ. of Delaware      |  between the shoulder blades will seriously
Dept. of Linguistics   |  cramp his style  -- Old Jhereg proverb
kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu         |  A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me

//www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/prof/ken.html



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