MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1880

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Lifebonds vs Lovebonds vs Other Bonds
	by "Li'nia Stormdancer" <lstormdancer-+AT+-hotmail.com>
  2) Help
	by Clarissa <kylafire-+AT+-yahoo.com>
  3) Re: Music
	by "Mark Severson" <markttz-+AT+-eoni.com>
  4) slayers+misty
	by "Kristy Lyseng" <moonshade_noema-+AT+-hotmail.com>
  5) Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 1879
	by Ellen K Fluharty <efluharty-+AT+-juno.com>
  6) Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 1879
	by Amy Trujillo <trujillo-+AT+-southwind.net>
  7) Re: 
	by Paige <ppwalker-+AT+-sympatico.ca>
  8) Re: music/Jake/nitpicking: SBreaking
	by "Sharry Adams" <sharry_lynn-+AT+-hotmail.com>
  9) shay'kreth'ashke
	by skyfire-+AT+-t-online.de (skyfire)
 10) Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 1879
	by lizzmail-+AT+-CloudWatcher.ST.HMC.Edu
 11) Re: Help
	by Obsidian <odessius-+AT+-softhome.net>
 12) Re: Help
	by Rachel Hawkins <rachel-+AT+-purdue.edu>
 13) Reading for youngsters
	by "Li'nia Stormdancer" <lstormdancer-+AT+-hotmail.com>
 14) Re: Help
	by "Abigail Laughlin" <abbykat-+AT+-hotmail.com>
 15) books and age level
	by "L. J. Thompson" <ljt-+AT+-lclark.edu>
 16) RE: BONDS
	by Sheridan Hoy <tamlin-+AT+-sinesurf.co.nz>
 17) how-old thread...
	by Rainbow <cf-+AT+-leightons.demon.co.uk>
 18) ADMIN: games and such
	by Melanie Dymond Harper <mel-+AT+-servalan.demon.co.uk>

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 07:03:38 PST
From: "Li'nia Stormdancer" <lstormdancer-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Lifebonds vs Lovebonds vs Other Bonds
Message-ID: <19990218150338.20596.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com>

Heyla List-Sibs!!

Obsidian wrote:

>>Okay, I've got a question to speed up things around here. Which is 
stronger;a lifebond, lovebond or a bond with say a Companion or Firecat. 
I was never really sure about that.<<

Let's see...um....well, people had more control with lovebonds, because 
it was more of a voluntary thing, like Skif and Nyara.  I think Vanyel 
explained it to them in one of the Mage Wars books.  There's no choice 
in a lifebond, and if one dies, the other usually does, too.  Bonds with 
Companions are like that too.  Besides, if I read this right, Companions 
are really Heralds who've made the choice to come back.  So it makes 
sense that it's like lifebonds.  The bond with the Firecat is really 
based on the Firecat's decision.  There's so few of them.  Karal and 
Altra would have survived if the other had died (I know, they would have 
felt wretched, but it wouldn't have been as bad as losing a lifemate).

Was that too windy for anyone! *g*

Wind to thy wings!

Stormdance k'T'more and Kuus aka 
Li'nia Stormdancer, Peon to the Powers That Be,
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 09:00:36 -0800 (PST)
From: Clarissa <kylafire-+AT+-yahoo.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Help
Message-ID: <19990218170036.21772.rocketmail-+AT+-send501.yahoomail.com>

Obsidian,

In a previous message you transferred

> Heyla!
>
>   Kristy looks around the practically deserted hall of Mist.> Well,
> whoever said that the list was quiet, I think they're right. Hmm. What
> to talk about. Oh! I'm getting my grad pics today! <bounces up and
down
> excitedly> I'm nervous! This year is passing by so fast! <sigh> I just
> wish that things would slow down a bit.
>   <looks around her head for any ideas that would start off a
> conversation and comes up unsuccessfully with nothing. Sighs> Sorry.
I'm
> no help. Oh well. I think I'll just leave it up to the next person,
> unless we can talk about Herald uniforms? Does anybody know what they
> look like? All you hear from Talia is, "I wish I looked this good in
> Grays?" Oh, and another thing. I wish Misty would write more about the
> Bards of Valdemar. All we know about them is what is described in the
> LHM trilogy (and that wasn't one of me favs). It just irks me.
> Love, Light and Laughter,
>    Kristy (a.k.a.Noema, Dewshine, Starsong, and Silverstorm)

I just joined this ML list and I dont really know what is going on. It
seems (judging from this insert and previous letters) that there is
some kind of rping or something going on. I used to RP on AOL, but
then got rid of it. I have been looking for a RP going on within the
Internet. Can you please explain?

Thanks.
Clarissa
















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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 09:09:05 -0800
From: "Mark Severson" <markttz-+AT+-eoni.com>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Music
Message-ID: <004001be5b61$648efb80$eb6cb4cd-+AT+-janltcea>


-----Original Message-----
From: Li'nia Stormdancer <lstormdancer-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: markttz-+AT+-eoni.com <markttz-+AT+-eoni.com>
Date: Wednesday, February 17, 1999 11:22 AM
Subject: Music


>Bright the day, List-Sibs!
>
>Boy, it's quiet on the list today.....I have a question, and I think
>it's probably been asked before, so I'll apologize now.  But, I would
>like to find out where I can get any of Misty's music on CD!  I keep
>hearing how everyone likes it so much, but I don't have an address.

Hello there,  Tax zombie here,
 (considering my hours this year I REALLY mean tax zombie)

   Firebird Music and Arts at http://firebirdarts.com/  is the place you
want to go.  Lot's of Misty music on both tape and CD's some sung by her
others by various artists.  There are also songs about Misty's characters by
other artists.  Michael Longcor ....Undead! has a song titled Falconsbane on
it.  Enjoy!
   By the way I don't know if my previous posting concerning the auction of
items Misty has done (needlework, jewelry, costuming wise) made it thru or
not.  That is another reason you might want to check out firebird.  Mistys
trying to raise money for her favorite charity via the auction.
  Time to get back to work.  Take care all.   May the IRS forget you.

Mark the tax zombie.
markttz-+AT+-eoni.com




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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 08:44:37 PST
From: "Kristy Lyseng" <moonshade_noema-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: slayers+misty
Message-ID: <19990218164438.24176.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com>

Heyla!

   <Kristy emerges from her lurking and waves at Winterstar, Yvonne, and 
Lynn. The list is very quiet today . . .> Actually, I think that's an 
understatement. The list is TOO quiet today. Did everybody unsubcribe or 
something? Oh well, I have a song that will cheer anybody who's crazy 
about Slayers (and I don't mean Buffy) with Lina Inverse and her rather 
dense companion Gourry. 

Slayer's Theme song (First season):
No matter how hard this wind
Tries to push me back
I recite a single spell and
Set the pace my own way.

Anyone who's jealous of my power
And my beauty won't get in the way
I won't flinch from any opponent
As my cape flaps in the breeze.

I want this, I want that
Hey, that's just how girls are (steryotype!!!!!)
One slup and it's to hell you go
So you'd better not get in my way.

Far away, I'm going where I want to
Don't want this journey to end
Even the worst days I end with a smile

Far away, embracing all the magic 
I wanna go beyond this day
With my eyes on my dreams I keep walking on
As far as I can
Get along, Try again!

Far away, embracing all the magic 
I wann go beyond this day
With my eyes on my dreams I keep walking on
As far as I can
Get along, Try again!!

   This is a MUST see serires. Funny, and full of magic and bad guys 
wanting to sword fight. Sounds, to me, just like any other fantasy 
series there is! And the heroine, Lina Inverse, rocks! (Her specialty is 
Black Magic and she's the world's most powerful sorceress! Oh yeah, she 
acts judy like me! <heh, heh>)
Love, Light and Laughter,
   Krsity (a.k.a. Noema, Dewshine, Starsong and Silverstorm)
P.S.:Lina rules!!!
        "Oh, source of all power
            Light which burns beyond Crimson Flame
                Let thy power gather withing my hand!
                             Fire Ball!"--Slayers, Volumn 1   

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 12:46:20 -0500
From: Ellen K Fluharty <efluharty-+AT+-juno.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 1879
Message-ID: <19990218.124621.-247403.0.efluharty-+AT+-juno.com>

*LOL*
Marshmallow vrondi!  I love it!  (and now, for a limited time, silver
candy horse hooves!)

heh, anyway, I know the movie thread has been abandoned, but I was
reading "Knight of Ghosts and Shadows," (for the fifth time) last night
and was thinking that it would be one of the easiest to make into a
movie.  Minimal special effects would be necessary really.  I'd forgotten
how much I really love that book.  I think it is probably the best Urban
Fantasy she's ever written.  

At the moment, I'm letting my two year old daughter look at the pictures
on the covers of the Storms books, (she loves the kittie and the horse). 
At one time (pre-motherhood days), I would have said that I'd let my
children read Misty as soon as they could read at that level, but I've
since decided it will have to wait until she is much older.  I know the
time is far off, but I've begun to wonder which books if any would be
appropriate for before she reaches the age of 12.  (Misty books that is.)
 (I know at some point, we are going to have to talk about the sexual
content/violence in the books, but I don't want to have to patrol my
entire bookshelf until that time comes.)  After all, I started sneaking
books off my parents bookshelf at the age of nine.  (and was somewhat
confused by a few of them.)
So, I guess the question is, Are there any books by Misty that you (my
listsibs) would think appropriate for younger children (7-10) ?   (I
can't think of any offhand.)


Chocolate marshmallow sheep for you all,

Ellen shena Liha'irden
Lady in Green
Keeper of Ingrid, the boogie woogie beanie lamb
WV Spy for CfWD
She'endra to Laurel shena Dester'tale

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 13:49:15 -0600
From: Amy Trujillo <trujillo-+AT+-southwind.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 1879
Message-ID: <36CC6EB7.B96-+AT+-southwind.net>

Heyla listsibs,

First off Newbies?  Welcome!!! and look out for the bucket

Ellen said:
> So, I guess the question is, Are there any books by Misty that you (my
> listsibs) would think appropriate for younger children (7-10) ?   (I
> can't think of any offhand.)

Hmm, I think that Chrome Circle would be okay, its more of a straight
urban fantasy without any of the sexual abuse or drug use that was in
the others.  A young person would probably really like Foxtrot and
Chintliss. I would also say the Owl books especially Owlflight since it
deals with a person about that age.  Although it wasn't one of my
favorites Silver Gryphon is an adventure/escape story that might appeal
to younger kids.

On the love/life/Companion bond thread:

Well I think that the Companion bond would be the strongest just because
of its nature.  Lovebonds can break as people change.  Lifebonds
sometimes don't work...Misty has repeatedly stated that lifebonds don't
always get along and the bond can spoil.  In all of the books I have
never heard of Companions that don't get along w/ their Chosen.  Elspeth
and Gwena quarrel but they are always there for each other.  I think the
term Chosen signifies that this is a stronger bond than a lifebond. 
Lifebonds are simply compatibility with the hope that the people can
love each other, Companion bonds are created by a gaurdian spirit who
can see into the heart of the Chosen and know that they are the one to
make a joined whole.  The Companion bond is mind, body and soul. 

Until next time,
Goo Goo cluster sheep to everyone

Amy
Ferret Friend
Lady of All Things Missing, Especially Socks

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 15:09:10 -0500
From: Paige <ppwalker-+AT+-sympatico.ca>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: 
Message-ID: <36CC7366.4A6F-+AT+-sympatico.ca>

Li'nia Stormdancer wrote:
> 
> Tamlin wrote:
> 
> >>Also, a question........Who was the member of Vanyel's family who also
> became a Herald?. I have a feeling it was a girl, and his niece, but was
> she a Herald or just a Herald Mage, and what was her name, and that of
> her Companion's?.<<
> 
> Vanyel's Aunt Savil was a Herald-Mage.  I believe her Companion's name
> was Kellen.........

I could be mistaken, but I believe Tamlin was referrng to Ariel, Van's
niece (Mekeal's Daughter) chosen by Darvena.  Page 10 Magics Price -
softcover.
-- 
Paige
GO LEAFS!!!
proud to be Outlandish
I didn't fight my way to the top of the food chain to be a  vegetarian.
(to e-mail double the p and take out the "reston")

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 13:46:08 PST
From: "Sharry Adams" <sharry_lynn-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: music/Jake/nitpicking: SBreaking
Message-ID: <19990218214608.18324.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com>


>
>Khenta Blaufalk wrote:
>
>SBreaking, hc, p 45 (my emphasis):
>
>"...Elspeth's cardinal rule, _learned from Kerowyn_, was that the
>welfare of their beasts come before the needs of the humans, and no 
one disagreed with her."
>
>Now that's a serious YAMI, isn't it? Elspeth had to care for a 
Companion
>long before Kero came along, and I thought that at the Collegium they
>have the good sense to teach all the Herald-trainees that your mount
>comes first (wasn't there a passage in one of the _Arrows_ to the 
same
>effect?). It shouldn't be all that difficult to extrapolate from one
>Companion and make it a general rule concerning all kinds of mounts.
>
>*********************************************************************
Obviously, Elspeth had to care for her Companion before Kero arrived, 
and she was around Companions her whole life.  Perhaps, what was meant 
by that quote is that it was Kero's teachings that really drove the 
point home.  Before Kero arrived, Elspeth had never been in combat of 
any kind, and I don't think she had ever even ridden circuit.  I guess 
she knew she had to care for her Companion above all else, but Kero's 
battle perspective made Elspeth think differently about why.
------

As for the question of which is stronger--lovebond, lifebond, or 
Companion/firecat bond--I think a lifebond & Companion bond would be 
about equal, and a lovebond a close second.  I can't speak on a bond 
to a firecat because I haven't read of that yet.  (What book is that 
from?)  As someone else mentioned (don't remember who!), the breaking 
of a lifebond or a Companion bond usually results in death.  (If one 
dies, the other follows)  Lovebonds are not that strong, but they do 
have good points that lifebonds do not have.  I think a lovebond is 
very much like a true, solid marriage in today's society.  (You know, 
one that doesn't end in divorce.  80-yr-old couples that are still as 
much in love as they were when they were 20 :)  A lovebond has all the 
qualities of a lifebond except that the partners cannot read each 
others thoughts.  Stephan said something about it in one of the Winds 
books when he was explaining it to Skif & Nyara.  It takes patience to 
make a lovebond work, whereas a lifebonded couple has no choice.  
There is a driving need to be together, and they can share thoughts 
and/or feelings through their bond, so there is less confusion than in 
a lovebond.  I hope I got that all right.  I may be totally confused, 
but that's how I see it!

Gosh, that was wordy!  :)

W

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 20:17:08 -0800
From: skyfire-+AT+-t-online.de (skyfire)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: shay'kreth'ashke
Message-ID: <36CCE5C4.276DD057-+AT+-t-online.de>

Alia Rose schrieb:

> wait, wait, wait. i thought shay'kreth'ashke just meant a mated
> couple,
> not necessarily a lifebond. and i thought it applied to shaych
> couples?

I can't say if it only applies to shaych couples, but I got TextEvd for
the other point:

MPawn, pb (ROC edition), p 267: 

"... Did you not gift me with the greatest of all gifts, in the person
of my _shay'kreth'ashke_?" (Starwind to Savil)

and on p 269:

"Reft and bereft of _shay'kreth'ashke_". (Moondance on Vanyel)

So I think it does mean life-bonded. Or was it used with another meaning
somewhere else? I don't remember seeing it anywhere else.

--

Khenta B.



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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 07:38:32 -0800 (PST)
From: lizzmail-+AT+-CloudWatcher.ST.HMC.Edu
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 1879
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.04.9902180729080.469-100000-+AT+-CloudWatcher.ST.HMC.Edu>



On Thu, 18 Feb 1999, Ellen K Fluharty wrote:

> At the moment, I'm letting my two year old daughter look at the pictures
> on the covers of the Storms books, (she loves the kittie and the horse). 
> At one time (pre-motherhood days), I would have said that I'd let my
> children read Misty as soon as they could read at that level, but I've
> since decided it will have to wait until she is much older.  I know the
> time is far off, but I've begun to wonder which books if any would be
> appropriate for before she reaches the age of 12.  (Misty books that is.)
>  (I know at some point, we are going to have to talk about the sexual
> content/violence in the books, but I don't want to have to patrol my
> entire bookshelf until that time comes.)  After all, I started sneaking
> books off my parents bookshelf at the age of nine.  (and was somewhat
> confused by a few of them.)
> So, I guess the question is, Are there any books by Misty that you (my
> listsibs) would think appropriate for younger children (7-10) ?   (I
> can't think of any offhand.)

Myself and many other non-parents I know have come to the conclusion that
if someone is mature enough to understand implicit sexual content of a
book they are probably mature enough to not be affected by it.  I know,
from personal experience, that it is possible to entirely miss sexual
content in books and movies even if you read/watch them incessantly.  I'd
probably avoid explicit sexual content (LHM would probably be entirely out
of the question for many, many decades), but AotQ or the Storm books would
probably be okay.

For those of you out there who do not know anybody (in real life) that
reads Misty, I, too, had that problem.  Then I got to college.  Last year,
by random selection of the freshman class, there were more _copies_ of
some of her works _in my suite_ than I knew people at my high school who
had read them.  It was a four man and my college is actually smaller than
my high school.

Back to lurking...

Liseth


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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 16:30:16 -0800
From: Obsidian <odessius-+AT+-softhome.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Help
Message-ID: <36CCB097.DD3648B4-+AT+-softhome.net>

Heyla Clarissa,

Yes, there is a going to be an rpg game based on Misty's books. It PBeM if
I'm
not mistaken. If you want to join just email MandisCrey-+AT+-aol.com  tell her
you want
to join, and give her this description of your chosen character:
Name:
Breif description:
and anything else you want to add.
And welcome to the MLML!!!:-)


Obsidian

Clarissa wrote:

> Obsidian,
>
> In a previous message you transferred
>
> > Heyla!
> >
> >   Kristy looks around the practically deserted hall of Mist.> Well,
> > whoever said that the list was quiet, I think they're right. Hmm. What
> > to talk about. Oh! I'm getting my grad pics today! <bounces up and
> down
> > excitedly> I'm nervous! This year is passing by so fast! <sigh> I just
> > wish that things would slow down a bit.
> >   <looks around her head for any ideas that would start off a
> > conversation and comes up unsuccessfully with nothing. Sighs> Sorry.
> I'm
> > no help. Oh well. I think I'll just leave it up to the next person,
> > unless we can talk about Herald uniforms? Does anybody know what they
> > look like? All you hear from Talia is, "I wish I looked this good in
> > Grays?" Oh, and another thing. I wish Misty would write more about the
> > Bards of Valdemar. All we know about them is what is described in the
> > LHM trilogy (and that wasn't one of me favs). It just irks me.
> > Love, Light and Laughter,
> >    Kristy (a.k.a.Noema, Dewshine, Starsong, and Silverstorm)
>
> I just joined this ML list and I dont really know what is going on. It
> seems (judging from this insert and previous letters) that there is
> some kind of rping or something going on. I used to RP on AOL, but
> then got rid of it. I have been looking for a RP going on within the
> Internet. Can you please explain?
>
> Thanks.
> Clarissa
>
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 19:59:26 -0500
From: Rachel Hawkins <rachel-+AT+-purdue.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Help
Message-ID: <36CCB76D.B2A9F3E2-+AT+-purdue.edu>

I'm curious about this ML game.  What exactly goes on in this, because I
would be inerested in joining.  Thanks!

Rachel (aka LadyBard)


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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:45:25 PST
From: "Li'nia Stormdancer" <lstormdancer-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Reading for youngsters
Message-ID: <19990219014526.5509.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com>


Heyla List-Sibs!

Delurking again......Someone (sorry, can't remember 
who!) asked if we thought any of Misty's books would be 
good for 7-10 year olds; not much violence, not many, if 
any, sexual references.  I think maybe Owlflight (though 
there is violence, I don't remember too many sex issues 
in there).  Plus it's a younger "hero".  Maybe Arrows of 
the Queen (although there is Keren, Ylsa, and 
Sherril..), but not much violence.  Also maybe Chrome 
Circle; not much sex or violence (if you disregard 
Tannim's dreams!!).  Those are my only recommendations.  
I don't think that's Misty's target audience, either!  
Of course, I didn't discover her until my freshman year 
of high school, all those years ago!! *g*

Death-by-chocolate sheep dreams to all!!

Wind to thy wings!

Stormdance k'T'more and Kuus aka 
Li'nia Stormdancer, Peon to the Powers That Be,
Devotee to the Order of Unsung Heroes



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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:55:13 PST
From: "Abigail Laughlin" <abbykat-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Help
Message-ID: <19990219015513.21312.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com>

<<Yes, there is a going to be an rpg game based on Misty's books. It 
PBeM if I'm not mistaken. If you want to join just email 
MandisCrey-+AT+-aol.com tell her you want to join, and give her this 
description of your chosen character:
Name:
Breif description:
and anything else you want to add.>>

This PBeM is called the Circle of Stone, incidentally. The webpage is at 
http://www.angelfire.com/ky/Ashke/CoS.html, and though it's very 
incomplete, a number of the available races and cultures are posted 
there, along with one full character concept--mine--and one partial one. 
Since I'm the Circle of Stone Webmaster, it'd be a help if you sent your 
character description to me as well so that, when it's okayed, I can 
post it on the cast list.

There's another PBeM, the Mistic Circle, which is fully established and 
has been around over a year, but I'm not sure if it's taking new members 
at the moment. Its webpage is at 
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6543

Zha'hai'allav'a,
Raven Darkblade and Mor the raven,
Holy Hand of the Goddess of Elves,
Member of the Mistic Circle,
Webmaster and List Keeper of the Circle of Stone,
Knight and Founding Member of the Order of Unsung Heroes, Advocator of 
Eldan, Champion of Kethra and Hyllarr, Devotee of Maclyn, and Worshipper 
of Tal Rufen.

abbykat-+AT+-hotmail.com
http://www.angelfire.com/ky/Ashke/


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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 20:50:13 -0800
From: "L. J. Thompson" <ljt-+AT+-lclark.edu>
To: "'mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk'" <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: books and age level
Message-ID: <01BE5B80.4DA43060-+AT+-BASIL>

If you don't care about the 
what-age-to-let-kids-start-reading-Misty-books-thread, then you might as 
well stop reading now.


>On Thu, 18 Feb 1999, Ellen K Fluharty wrote:
<snip>
>> So, I guess the question is, Are there any books by Misty that you (my
>> listsibs) would think appropriate for younger children (7-10) ?   (I
>> can't think of any offhand.)
>
>Liseth then said:
>Myself and many other non-parents I know have come to the conclusion that
>if someone is mature enough to understand implicit sexual content of a
>book they are probably mature enough to not be affected by it.  I know,
>from personal experience, that it is possible to entirely miss sexual
>content in books and movies even if you read/watch them incessantly.  I'd
>probably avoid explicit sexual content (LHM would probably be entirely out
>of the question for many, many decades), but AotQ or the Storm books would
>probably be okay.


I agree with the missing-the-sexual-content part. I missed some pretty darn 
blatant references the first time I read a book with particularly sexual 
context. (I was probably 10 or so.) I think that the important thing to 
remember when selecting books for children is not their age but their 
maturity level. One 12 year old may be ready for books that another 15 year 
old may not be ready for yet. But I think that all of the Misty books that 
I've read (all of the Valdemar books except the Oath books) are probably 
Not a Good Idea for most kids to read until at least middle school. 
Although some of them may not themselves contain things that Children 
Should Not Know About Yet, they ARE in a series, and I think that if a 
child read one of them and liked it, they would choose other things by that 
author to read, especially if they were in the same series/world. For 
example, I read a young adult novel by Tanith Lee called _Black Unicorn_ 
back in early middle school. I rather liked it, so I went to the public 
library to see what else she had written. I ended up with a copy of _The 
Secret Books of Paradys Book One: The Book of the Damned_, which was 
definitely not appropriate for a middle schooler! (Although I rather liked 
some of the stories in it, it probably would have given my parents no 
shortage of grey hairs if they had noticed.) I'm not sure how much harm it 
does to a child to start reading "inappropriate" books at a young age. (I 
turned out remarkably boringly and still haven't really DONE anything that 
would give my parents grey hairs, even though I am now in college and thus 
out of their immediate supervision. :)) Still, I would wait until a child 
starts choosing books with that general kind of subject matter on their 
own, or starts watching that sort of tv, or begins subscribing to magazines 
such as YM or Teen. (Not that those are particularly good magazines or 
anything, just that they deal with relationships and such.)  To me, that 
implies that the child is already starting to think about such things, and 
that they might then be ready for and appreciate the books. BTW, If anyone 
wants a list of fantasy and sci/fi books and about what age/maturity I 
think they are appropriate for, email me offlist at ljt-+AT+-lclark.edu and I'll 
be glad to send you one. And I promise that my next post will have more to 
do with Mercedes Lackey stuff and less to do with books in general, but I 
just wanted to share my opinions on this.

L.J. Thompson
ICQ #6886878

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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 18:50:33 +1300
From: Sheridan Hoy <tamlin-+AT+-sinesurf.co.nz>
To: "'mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk'" <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: RE: BONDS
Message-ID: <01BE5C39.5726BB80-+AT+-port42.ts2.auck.sinesurf.co.nz>


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---->Paige,

Yes Ariel was the one that I was thinking of, and thanks for the page =
number; I went and looked at it straight away.

Obsidian wrote:

Okay, I've got a question to speed up things around here. Which is =
stronger; a lifebond, lovebond or a bond with say a Companion or =
Firecat. I was never really sure about that.
I think that they are all strong but in different ways. Someone with a =
lifebond has to be involved with the lifebonded, but may not love them, =
that takes time. There is a definite bond there, as with the =
Companion/Firecat, but a lovebond is different. There is nothing =
tangible there, and maybe that is what makes a lovebond strong; they =
work at it. I think that I am rambling  a bit here...not enough sleep. =
What does everyone else think?.

Wind to thy Wings,

tamlin

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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 06:50:55 +0000
From: Rainbow <cf-+AT+-leightons.demon.co.uk>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: how-old thread...
Message-ID: <+J2jOAAPnQz2IwGd-+AT+-leightons.demon.co.uk>

OK, on the 'how old' thread...

I'm 16, I started reading Misty 'bout 13... With the Gryphon lot...
You'd be surprised the amount of stuff in there that I already knew!
(And I didn't have the 'birds and bees' talk... still haven't... ;) )
But I have to say, that I /am/ a 'mature' 16 year old where it comes to
books... Maybe not in much else, but I am in books...
I'd say Black Gryphon is OK-ish for 10-> but then, maybe not, depends
how much the child has read before...

Sorry so short! *g*
<R><R><R><R><R>http://www.leightons.demon.co.uk/index.htm<R><R><R><R><R>
'If you want the Rainbow,   _.-~-._      'I ain't flawed, I'm just a
you gotta put up with   _.~ _ ~~~ _ ~._  diamond cut in a unique way.'
the rain.'           ,~ _ ~   -~-   ~ _ ~,
                    / /~ /~ RAINBOW ~\ ~\ \                
~Dolly Parton      | |  |   |/-~-\|   |  | |                ~ Tristan

     'I don't take offence... I take revenge!' ~ M'lady (Wishbone)

                    telnet://ewtoo.org:2345 
 (Valdemar (not necesserily Mercedes Lackey), my favourite talker!)

       ZHAI'HELLEVA! (and I know my sig is getting too long!)


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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 08:50:49 +0000
From: Melanie Dymond Harper <mel-+AT+-servalan.demon.co.uk>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: ADMIN: games and such
Message-ID: <Wc2VLDApXSz2Ew6n-+AT+-servalan.demon.co.uk>

Let me just make it abundantly clear that none of the "roleplaying"
mentioned, whether it takes place on or off the list, is an "official"
list activity, neither is it sanctioned by me or by Herald Information
Systems (my company). Sorry, but since Misty has said on numerous
occasions -- generally backed up by big nasty lawyers -- that setting
role-playing games in her worlds is verboten, I need to make this
statement to cover myself. (And yes, this is also why I won't let you
roleplay on list.)

Cheers

Mel, Listmistress
-- 
Melanie Dymond Harper

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