MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1895

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: Question...
	by skyfire-+AT+-t-online.de (skyfire)
  2) Misty Lovers in the UK!
	by "Alexia/Sabrina" <i.casale-+AT+-ukonline.co.uk>
  3) Re: Braid: Pink Wand/Hobbit/oldbies.
	by Starshadow * <starshadow_-+AT+-hotmail.com>
  4) My merry adventure!
	by Nelson Greenslade <grenslde-+AT+-nbnet.nb.ca>
  5) Alberich stories/name recycling
	by Becky Cary <recary-+AT+-phoenix.princeton.edu>
  6) Re: Braid: Pink Wand/Hobbit/oldbies. 
	by david h tiffany <davidt-+AT+-cet.com>
  7) char/story drivers/elvenbane
	by "Shadow Wolf" <shadowwolf53-+AT+-hotmail.com>
  8) I'm off!
	by "Marv Watson" <skywolf-+AT+-washington.sbceo.k12.ca.us>
  9) Re: story drivers
	by Rachesqka-+AT+-aol.com
 10) RE: I'm off!
	by Lisa Whitman <lwhitman-+AT+-nwcomputing.com>
 11) Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 1893
	by "Jennifer M. Shultz" <jennyshultz-+AT+-hotmail.com>

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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 21:56:59 -0800
From: skyfire-+AT+-t-online.de (skyfire)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Question...
Message-ID: <36DF722B.40D0CA96-+AT+-t-online.de>

Aeon Judgement schrieb:

> In the song thereis Windrider and Darshay, Companion and Heir. I
> though
> at first that Darshay was the Heir cuz I did not think some one would
> name there child Windrider

Maybe Windrider is something like a use-name, an add-on (cf. Lavan
Firestorm, or Vanyel Demonsbane).

--

Khenta B.


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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 20:40:48 -0000
From: "Alexia/Sabrina" <i.casale-+AT+-ukonline.co.uk>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Misty Lovers in the UK!
Message-ID: <043701be6684$c70592a0$82c828c3-+AT+-i.casale>

Hi all! I don't know who's in the UK and who's not but I was just wondering
if we could set something up to meet at some point. I don't know what
everyone thinks about that. Personally, I'd love to meet with some people
who have interests in common <can't seem to find anyone locally that
understands me at all>.

Maybe we could find somewhere sort of in the middle, maybe London? to meet
up and chat about the books and stuff... BTW, Borders on Oxford Street, just
past the station as you're going up to Tottenham Court Road has lots of
Misty.

I'm looking to branch out and read more fantasy- I like fantasy more than
Sci-fi. Any suggestions? I know someone mentioned Guy Gabriel Kay or
something like that <excuse me- dyslexia and ne names don't go well
together>... I've got something called 'the summer tree' which I picked up
ina book sale- I wanted to check about sexual abuse/violence in the book
though cos I really don't like that and I heard a mention that some of his
books have quite a bit of that.

Had anyone read... Mike Jeffries or Lynn Flewelling? I picked up some books
by them in London to try out along with a Terry Brooks 'cos I'm always
seeing books around by him... David Eddings I picked up Pawn of Prophesy <?>
um... something by I. V. J...somthing... I tend to like books with a male
character 15+, h/c type stuff <I know, I'm a 'wet hen' and a sap>... some
violence is fine but I don't like stuff with any sexual abuse. Can anyone
help with suggestions?

Um... an obmisty would be good in case the first bit doesn't count... don't
think it does... um... Elvenbane- I liked that one, just let me get it
figured in my head... oh, Valyn... I liked the bits with the dragons and
Shana's crush<g> That was funny and it really livened things up. I liked the
Mero<shadow>/ Valyn relationship-thought that was portrayed quite well with
Valyn not being just totally heroic but a complete jackass a lot of the time
but very fond of mero...

I haven't read 'if I pay three not in gold' but I have it...


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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 15:56:30 PST
From: Starshadow * <starshadow_-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Braid: Pink Wand/Hobbit/oldbies.
Message-ID: <19990304235634.4475.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com>


>david h tiffany wrote:

>
>Okay, everyone says Alberich's story is in Sword of 
Ice...okay...where? 
>I can only find two Karse stories, one is about Solaris and the other 
is
>about a guy with a much longer name (can't remeber it offhand starts
>with a C)  I can't see that as being Alberich.  In all the stories 
about
>Alberich's choosing, it is said that he was rescued from a burning 
barn.
>Am I just being really thick, or am I missing something?
>-- 
 The Story of Alberich is not in Sword of Ice it is in a SMall 
anthology of horse stories called Horse Fantastic.  It is a cute story 
and I suggest you read this.  To all of you who might get mad I sent 
this message hours after the first one so this ws not a failure to 
braid thing, just bad timing.

Have a good day all

Sta

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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 18:16:37 -0400
From: Nelson Greenslade <grenslde-+AT+-nbnet.nb.ca>
To: Misty <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Cc: Janine Loomis <loomis-+AT+-nbnet.nb.ca>
Subject: My merry adventure!
Message-ID: <018c01be668d$9d5ea500$4cf1a4c6-+AT+-epzfbrwg>

   Elsa here, reporting to you Live (so far as I know) from my computer!
(Sorry, I just found out that I'm apparently the Talk Show Host of the
Universe. O_o)

   As you may have guessed from my subject line (if you looked at it), I had
a merry adventure today! Yes, I left the province and went to...*drumroll*
Halifax!!! *trumpet fanfare* Why is this such a big deal? Well, for on
thing, it means I actually went somewhere on my march break! I also had a
fun time. ;)

   After taking 15 minutes or so to drag my unwilling body out of bed (at
6:30!), I just barely managed to get dressed, grab some necessities and get
out the door in time. I brought 2 books with me (Born to Run, and an
anthology with "Angel of the City" in it. *snif*.) in the hopes that I could
get some rereading done. If I could stay awake, that is. I got a caf mocha
and a chocolate chip muffin from Tim Horton's as a breakfast/caffeine boost,
in hopes of managing to wake up. I finished the story, flipped through a
couple of the others, and then *blush* slept for the rest of the drive in (3
hours).

   When I came to (at my mom's insistance), we were somewhere in the
suburbs, looking for the MicMac Mall and the place Dad had to go (as a
witness in a trial). We found the mall (yayyy!) after Dad was forced to -=
stop and ask for directions =-, and, after agreeing on a meeting place and
time, Mom and I headed off to explore the mall!!! :)

   After wandering around for a while (finding The House of Knives [which in
my mall is just a kiosk] with its cool swords ^o^, and The Sweet Factory [a
store I went to once as a small child and dreamed of ever since]), we headed
out to the Chapters across the parking lot. **** Take Note Any Listsibs In
Halifax Area! **** The Chapters by the MicMac Mall had ~many~ Misty books,
including: at least 2 of the Di Tregarde series, the Mage Wars series,
Wheels of Fire, Chrome Circle, Oathblood, Tiger Burning Bright, and more! I
didn't spot If I Pay Thee Not In Gold, but they've only been open a week and
are still somewhat disorganised, so I forgive. ^_~ I also found Spiritride,
Chicks In Chainmail (from which I read 2 tales), Neon Genesis Evangelion
Volume #1, and a few other goodies! {= Unfortunately, I could only get 2
books! It came down to a choice between WoF, CC, and Spiritride. Since I
just finished BtR, and When the Bough Breaks is waiting on my shelf
somewhere, I picked WoF, and Elvendude's sequel. Expect to hear about them
soon!

   After meeting up with Dad, I was crushed when he vetoed my hopes of
eating Japanese food at the Food Court, insisting on going to (and this is a
quote): "some seedy little dive along the highway. Greasy food, yum..."
*gags* But, once again Fortune and Fate decided to cut me a break, and while
Mom was mailing a 'secret' package and I was reading X-Men Unlimited #22 at
a magazine stand (I finally figured out ~who~ Marrow has a crush on!), Dad
changed his mind. Thus my lunch was the delectable Chicken Combo from
Sukiyaki!!!!! <Look 5! To top it all off, I bought a little baggy of Jelly
Bellies (the best gosh-darn jelly beans in the world!) from The Sweet
Factory. Mom was in heaven when she found some TearJerkers.

   And then I came home to tell you about it, and heard a song I like on the
way! *swaying* "Strummin' my pain with his fingers..." All in all, a very
satisfying trip!

<<H'ever, I didn't find Tania's situation with her parents nearly and
unsettling as I did the whole dealie in When The Bough Breaks. Ergh. The
bit with the puppy always makes me a little queasy.>>
   Er? Is it especially icky/sad, and could I possibly skip it? What
chapter?

<<That's one of the things I love so much about Misty; she's always
throwing in sly references to and jabs at her other works. <snip!> The
sort of thing that makes you squeal and point and cry "plot tie! plot
tie!"
(...or is that just me?)>>
   *pats her hand* It's not just you. In fact, I do that if something
corresponds with something happening in my life, which is oddly often...

<<"Songsinger now through
tears gives up his power- Sings back the magic to Windriders hands."  Now
Companions DONT have hands that i know of...so does this mean that Windrider
IS/was the Heir, I am almost positive I am right but I thought I would
ask..>>
   That's always bugged me, too. Does anyone know the answer?

*Elsa manages to get herself hanging upside down in a large tree. She hauls
out a megaphone (apparently from the back pocket of her black jeans) and
yells "FREE FOOD!! FREE FOOD OVER HERE, FOLKS!!!" After the stampede, she
says:*
    "Now that I've got your attention, I'd just like to remind all you
Listsibs that html and MIME format messages mess up Vanyel, our
server-thingy, which means the digests get longer, and our fabulous
Listmistress Mel might end up with some sort of hassel on her hands. Please
be considerate and don't mess up Van and Mel.
   "Also, instead of sending seperate messages for each individual topic,
you might consider braiding the topics together. This generally makes for a
faster download, which is good for those of us who have to pay beaucoup
bucks for time online. If you don't know how to braid, you can find some
people who can help by going to
http://www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/pers/misty/newbiefest.html
   "The Newbie Fest also clarifies the origins of the whole Sheep Thing, and
gives some valuable tips about mailing list netiquette.
   "In the stall to your left you will find my lovely assistants, Eckel and
Jeckle, who will ken any culinary creation you could crave. Chow down,
'Sibs!"
*After the second stampede, Elsa tumbles vertically down the tree and heads
off to set up some tr-- er, surprises for the Newbies she has yet to greet.
~_^*

Giraffe-shaped sheep for everyone! Er, wait...
Elsa
One In Black, Knight of Fluff, Member of the Order of Drifting Ashes, OoUH
Champion of Jonne, Moonbeam, Iceshadow, and Jaysen, Summoner of Monsters,
and Distributer of Justice on Unseleige Butt in the form of a cast iron
Frying Pan!! Mwahahahahaha!!!

"-Is this what you have to put up with Ash, stuff like that?-"
                "*sigh* Yes. Yes, it is."


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Date: 	Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:24:48 -0500 (EST)
From: Becky Cary <recary-+AT+-phoenix.princeton.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Alberich stories/name recycling
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.03.9903041721010.26546-100000-+AT+-mesa.princeton.edu>

Comments on two threads: 

Alberich's story is in Horse Fantastic. Sorry, don't remember the name of
the editor. The title of the story is "Stolen Silver" and it's about how
he got Chosen.

On the subject of name recycling, I'd noticed that too. For instance, in
AotQ, the servant who comes to invite Talia and Jadus to their winter
revel is named Medren. Hmmmmmm.... are descendants (or by-blows) of a
certain Ashkevron bard part of the Palace staff? Or is it just one of
those things like having four people named Mike in the same class?
(Speaking of which, has anybody noticed that this tends not to happen in
books?)

Becky, Goddess of Oversleeping and Snide Comments

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In general, France is a safe travel destination, though travelers are
advised that, from time to time, it is invaded by Germany.


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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 17:53:27 -0800
From: david h tiffany <davidt-+AT+-cet.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Braid: Pink Wand/Hobbit/oldbies. 
Message-ID: <199903050153.RAA03081-+AT+-davidt>

> 
> >david h tiffany wrote:
> 
> >
> >Okay, everyone says Alberich's story is in Sword of 
> Ice...okay...where? 


No, I didn't. That was written as part of an OBMisty on a 
response to a post of mine.

Please be more careful with attributions, I'd hate to
get flamed for something I didn't say.
8-{)#

OBMisty: How come we never see anybody doing roadwork in Valdemar?
Are the roads magically maintained? 

David H Tiffany



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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 05:43:22 PST
From: "Shadow Wolf" <shadowwolf53-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: char/story drivers/elvenbane
Message-ID: <19990305134323.22729.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com>

Li'nia Stormdancer said

I just noticed something about some of Misty's books.  She's used the 
word "char" in several books as the basis for the names of the villians.  
<snip> 

There's also Shar in Chrome Circle.  Although Shar isn't really a 
villian. Maybe it's a secret code. ;) 

Becky said

Character driven vs. plot
driven in the showdown of the century! No, seriously, what do y'all 
think
on that subject -- which you prefer, whether they're differentiable, 
where
the works of Misty fall?

I think it depends on the story that you're telling. If you want readers 
to really care about the people in your book then you have to write a 
character driven story. If you want readers to focus on the actual 
events then you will only develop the characters enough to move the 
story along. Misty seems to be more suited to writing a character driven 
story. Thinking about plot driven stories makes me think of Joe Friday 
from Dragnet. "Just the facts ma'am." It can be dry reading.

Someone asked about Elvenbane:

I liked it but didn't care for Elvenblood as much. Elvenblood just 
seemed to go in too many directions at one time. Because the story 
didn't go the direction I anticipated, it was disappointing.  The ending 
also left me very unsatisfied. I am still wondering when the third book 
is going to come out. There seemed to be a lot of loose threads that 
needed tying up.  



ShadowWolf, God of Stupid Chess Moves
Knight of Fluff, Founder of OOPS
Bonded with Wesak and Waszzy
"My mind is going...I can feel it..." --HAL--


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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 08:32:55 -0800
From: "Marv Watson" <skywolf-+AT+-washington.sbceo.k12.ca.us>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: I'm off!
Message-ID: <001101be6725$d344b9a0$2f8030cc-+AT+-skywolf>

Well, listsibs, wish me luck!  In 1 hour and 30 minutes I will be in the air
and on my way to Ashland, Ore. to see the Shakespeare Festival!!!! Yeah!!!!
And an obmisty:
Does anyone else think that misty's stories could be brought to the stage?
It'd be cool, but is it feasible?  Hmmm....

Later!
Skywolf and Misha


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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 12:16:58 EST
From: Rachesqka-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: story drivers
Message-ID: <fcd5dc83.36e0118a-+AT+-aol.com>

*Starshadow pushes aside all the sheep and delicately picks her way out of the
herd careful not to step on any unsuspecting little hooves. She emerges quite
covered in bits of wool, looking rather sheep-like as a result.*
~end of fluff~
Howdy howdy howdy list-sibs!

Becky wrote

<<Character driven vs. plot
driven in the showdown of the century! No, seriously, what do y'all 
think
on that subject -- which you prefer, whether they're differentiable, 
where
the works of Misty fall?>>

Hmmm... I've never really thought much on the subject, but now that you
mention it, I think I prefer character driven plots. There's nothing I love
more in a book than well thought out, and well developed characters. Misty
definitely falls in the catagory of character driven, definitley, definitely,
definitely.
One of my first experiences with fantasy (tolkien aside) was Terry Brooks. I
read all the Shannara books. And I'd have to say his are mostly plot driven,
or at least less character driven than Misty's. So after I read all those
books and picked up my first Misty book AotQ, I was impressed, nay, shocked by
the vividness of the characters, and how the plot was only secondary to them.
I didn't quite know what to think at first, but I liked it I guess, cause I've
been hooked ever since. I don't think that plot driven books are dry, no not
at all, I'm very fond of many of them. but there's just something more
interesting about people. IMNSHO, people, on the whole, are interesting
creatures. *g* and it takes a very talented writer to be able to capture
people with such many faceted personalities. Misty does that quite well.
Well anyway, that's my $.03. (What can I say? I'm generous, just had to throw
in an extra cent.)

"Little bits of sheep wool to you all!" she says as she picks them off her
clothes, and out of her hair, tossing them at her list-sibs. Trin, seated
proudly on her shoulder, preens the wool out of her feathers looking owlishly
annoyed.

Zhai'helleva,
~Starshadow of the clan K'Connecticut
bonded to Trin

"Wars not make one great."- Yoda


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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 09:17:07 -0800 
From: Lisa Whitman <lwhitman-+AT+-nwcomputing.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: RE: I'm off!
Message-ID: <B5B3316A9588D211BB2A00A0C9D03AE1056A23-+AT+-netware312.nwcomputing.com>


>Does anyone else think that misty's stories could be brought to the stage?
>It'd be cool, but is it feasible?  Hmmm....

Honestly no, I don't think that a stage performance of a misty story would
do well brought to stage.  Too much is most of her stories are mental, not
physical.  It could be done with soliloquies, but I think that it would not
be enjoyable enough for the joe-average play/musical viewing audience. 

Star


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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 11:22:38 PST
From: "Jennifer M. Shultz" <jennyshultz-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 1893
Message-ID: <19990305192240.15813.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com>

>From: "Nelson Greenslade" <grenslde-+AT+-nbnet.nb.ca>

><<I'd hate to think how Holderkin (if they even bother) explain sex
>to their children.>>
>   "It's evil, wrong, and depraved, and punishable by children, but 
we're
>weak" seems about fitting. I didn't like the Holderkin.

I give the holderkin a bit more credit than that.  I'd think they think 
of sex as a duty, as Talya's thoughts in AtoQ show.

textevd:

pg 37, AotQ

"(Talya) giggled at the unseemly (but amusing) notion of the Husband 
running from house to house in the night, intent on doing his duty with 
each of his Wives."

That to me makes me think that sex was a duty.  I mean, arranged 
marriags, and yet the man has to sleep with each wife every night?
Didn't she say later in the book that her father had had nine wives at 
one point?

My other thought was that they could view it as the Roman Catholic 
Church used to (and to a point, still does).  That sex is for 
procreation only, and any enjoyment of it is purely a side issue.  No 
offense intended to Catholics on the list, I happen to be one myself.

OBMisty:
We've covered favorite books, what's everyone's least favorite book and 
char?

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