MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1899

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) books, books, books, which are good, which are bad?
	by "Nelson Greenslade" <grenslde-+AT+-nbnet.nb.ca>
  2) Re: Monster Braid with everything
	by Paige <ppwalker-+AT+-sympatico.ca>
  3) Re: fav/least fav books
	by "C. Killingsworth" <jazzsax16-+AT+-hotmail.com>
  4) Loooong Braid: Teeny fluff/Least fav book/Stuff/Vikteren/Stefen/StarTrek/etc!
	by Ardath6-+AT+-aol.com
  5) bits of this, bits of that
	by "Kyblade *" <kayre2-+AT+-hotmail.com>
  6) Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 1898
	by Ellen K Fluharty <efluharty-+AT+-juno.com>
  7) re: stuff
	by "Alexia/Sabrina" <i.casale-+AT+-ukonline.co.uk>
  8) fav books & etc.
	by "pereldan" <pereldan-+AT+-hotmail.com>
  9) Re: hey i'm a newbie
	by Orelalaith <ghsu-+AT+-ic.sunysb.edu>
 10) Please allow me to introduce myself/Worst book ever read
	by "MEG PORTER" <mporter-+AT+-MAIL.DEP.STATE.WV.US>
 11) silver gryphon,s&s,fluff,ect
	by "Amy Lea-Anne Tracey" <dawnfire-+AT+-angelfire.com>
 12) Re: hey i'm a newbie
	by Lisa Holcomb <awamiba-+AT+-yahoo.com>
 13) Re: hey i'm a newbie
	by Laurel Redd <lredd-+AT+-du.edu>
 14) S. King/Karal submissive/Sword and Sorceress
	by Autumnleaf-+AT+-t-online.de (Autumnleaf)
 15) Hello Favs and least favs
	by "Derrick O" <dali_s-+AT+-hotmail.com>
 16) the fav/least fav book thread-that-won't-die and other stuff too!
	by "L. J. Thompson" <ljt-+AT+-lclark.edu>

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Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:12:12 -0400
From: "Nelson Greenslade" <grenslde-+AT+-nbnet.nb.ca>
To: "Misty" <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: books, books, books, which are good, which are bad?
Message-ID: <035601be69af$9293b6e0$f4a5b3cf-+AT+-epzfbrwg>

   Thanks to Jennifer M. Shultz for correcting me about the Holderkin's
probable attitudes towards procreation. I was mistaken.

Jennifer M. Shultz also suggested:
<<We've covered favorite books, what's everyone's least favorite book and
char?>>
   Hmm. Well, outside of Misty's books, my least favorite book is... Hurt So
Good, a romance novel I read a few years ago and did not enjoy in the
slightest.(Although there's a Charles De Lint book that comes in a close
second.) My least favorite character would be... um, I couldn't say. There
are so many to choose from, and I keep thinking up redeeming qualities... In
misty's books, my least faveorite character was Elspeth, and my least
favorite book was Silver Gryphon. I think.

Cennydd revealed to those who didn't know:
<<my least fave books from Misty are her urban books.  Honestly,
all those books about elves in LA!  I couldn't even finish the first one,
and never was able to get into any of the others.>>
   *shrugs* Different strokes for different folks. I love the idea of Elves
living in our world, and I love some of the characters (*chanting* Kory!
Kory! Kory!), but the themes were a little... darker (?) than most of the
Velgarth books. The SERRAted Edge books were less "save the world" and more
"save the children". It's an interesting direction to take, and it really
does do some good, making people see some of the problems with this world
and telling us (in the Afterward, usually) what we might be able to do to
change things. May favorite of her Urban Fantasies (so far) is either Sacred
Ground or Summoned to Tourney (I love the beginning!! [it starts with Kory,
of course]), but there are some ways where they just don't compare to, say,
Oathbreakers.

Yvonne departed with the words:
<<Well, I do believe that's all. Strawberry summer-time sheep to all the
wintery Ones out there!!>>
   Thanx! We're snowed in here in New Brunswick. This means a) I got 2 extra
days of March Break, since we also missed just before, and b) I have to mop
the floors. *groan*

Cennydd later wrote:
<<The ideal book is one in which
there is a clear, well-thought-out, detailed plot (preferably with lots of
intrigue and byzantine twists) in which a small number of clearly-defined,
interesting, fleshed-out characters take part.>>
   Here here! Those are the best kinds of books!

Beribboned dancing sheep to all!
  Elsa
One In Black, Knight of Fluff, Member of the Order of Drifting Ashes, OoUH
Champion of Jonne, Moonbeam, Iceshadow, and Jaysen, and Summoner of Monsters

"Cursed Oathbreakers, your honor's in pawn,
And worthless the vows you have made --
Justice shall see you where others have gone,
Delivered to those you betrayed!"


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Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 21:13:52 -0500
From: Paige <ppwalker-+AT+-sympatico.ca>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Monster Braid with everything
Message-ID: <36E483E0.5591-+AT+-sympatico.ca>

Autumnleaf wrote:
> Least favorite book ever:
> Short story collection by Stephen King. I didn't finish it. I thought as a
> horror author he would thrill me or make me shudder like e.g. Lovecraft did. But
> he only repelled me with all the blood and gore and violence. No subtlety at
> all.

Which short story collection?  There's more thatn one.

Wren SilverFire wrote:
> 
> I know I'm gonna get flamed for this, but my least favorite Misty book is TLHM series.
> *dives for cover behind a placid looking sheep*
> 
> My fav on the other hand, is By The Sword.  I love Kero.  She's what I would like to be iffin I was there.
> 
> Okee, my li'l bit of opinion.
> 
> *continues to hide*

I guess I'm hiding with you.  Although Van is not my least favorite, I
don't worship him like many others seem to ;-)  I don't know why, but I
these books seemed pretty slow and just not up to Lacky's usual stuff. 
Flame away if you'd like...
-- 
Paige
GO LEAFS!!!
proud to be Outlandish
I didn't fight my way to the top of the food chain to be a  vegetarian.
(to e-mail double the p and take out the "reston")

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Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 19:22:34 PST
From: "C. Killingsworth" <jazzsax16-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: fav/least fav books
Message-ID: <19990309032235.490.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com>

<< As for my least fav non-misty:  It would have to Grapes of Wrath.  
I had to read it for school and I don't know how many of you have read 
it but it was the single most mind numbingly dull book I have ever 
read.  One thing that really gets me in a book is when the author 
get's to much into the surroundings.  Describing every grain of dust 
and so on.  I am always just like tell me the story( can you tell I 'm 
from California).   That is the thing about Grapes of wrath which 
really bugged me.>> --starshadow

hey, :op . i kind of like GOW once I got a ways into it. I think perhaps 
it was more interesting to  because I've taked family driving trips as a 
kid and went on the same route they took, I thought that was pretty 
cool. I had to read that over the summer as well as The Octopus, now 
that was pretty bad, parts were good, but the first half was awful 
escepecially one character in particular.

<<I know I'm gonna get flamed for this, but my least favorite Misty book 
is TLHM series.*dives for cover behind a placid looking sheep*
My fav on the other hand, is By The Sword.  I love Kero.  She's what I 
wouldlike to be iffin I was there.  continues to hide*
Bright Blessings,
Wren SilverFire >>

Why don't you like TLHM?? ohh well, I think it's funny that we;re all 
pretty much in agreement about Silver Gryphon ;-) . i guess my least 
fav. char. would be Hulda or Ancar...I did really love BTS and Kero as 
many of you said. I started rereading WOfate but I realized the second 
time around Elspeth's parts are kind of boring, I dislike the whole Skif 
thing too, and I'm not too interested in Nyara. 
ohh well. 

fluffy grey rain sheep to every one and girl scout sheep, my family 
bought way to many boxes!

---rainfire

fave line from Ever After (if quoted somewhat correctly) 
"Why do you try to annoy me so?" "Why do you rise to the occasion?"
eee, I love that movie





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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 00:14:07 EST
From: Ardath6-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Loooong Braid: Teeny fluff/Least fav book/Stuff/Vikteren/Stefen/StarTrek/etc!
Message-ID: <6e7dba0d.36e4ae1f-+AT+-aol.com>

~~~Fluff!!~~
*A young woman in a long blue cloak pops out from the shadowy recesses behind
a column in the Hall of Mist. She coughs as a huge cloud of dust billows off
of her and floats restlessly about the spot where she was sitting. "Phew! You
can collect a lot of dust when you've been lurking for over two months!" She
peers around the column at all the new people who have arrived since her last
post. "Hello, newbie-type people!" She also waves cheerfully to Dawnfire.
"Nice to see you back again. Um.. does anyone remember what happened to the
Friendship Ring? I haven't seen it in ages."
~~~End Fluff~~

Okay, now that I've gotten some fluffiness out of my system, it's time to
actually respond to stuff. I'm sorry that some of this is rather old. So much
to say, and so little time!

Least favorite Misty book.. hm..
I can't think of one that I've really disliked so far. I suppose OwlFlight is
the one that I've liked the least, maybe? I didn't think it was actually bad,
just not as good as some of Misty's other stuff. I think the main thing that
bothers me about her latest Valdemar books is that they aren't long enough.
There doesn't seem to be enough time for really deep character development,
and everything either moves along too fast or a rather simple event is drawn
out too far. I definitely seem to be in the minority here, but I *did* like
Silver Gryphon. Blade annoyed me slightly, but I did like Tad and the wyrsa,
and there were parts with Snowstar! Yay! Again, I think the main problem with
the book was that it would have been better as a short story or as part of a
larger book. There just wasn't enough happening in SGryphon to really deserve
a whole book, and that's also how OFlight and what I've read of OSight seem to
me. ::shakes her head:: Does that make sense, or have I just been babbling
mindlessly for an entire paragraph?

I'm not sure about least favorite character. I'd have to think about it for a
while.

Shantaya Autumnleaf said:
<<Now my least favorite is Karal because he got on my nerves with his 
submissive attitude.>>

Oh, why must everyone dislike the quiet and submissive people? Not everyone
can be a bold and daring leader. I like characters like Karal and Talia
because they show that even if you're not really outgoing and don't have
especially pronounced leadership qualities, you can still be a courageous
person and make a difference. I could really relate to Talia and Karal and
An'desha and others like them because they weren't really "heroic" types. I
enjoyed seeing them gradually overcome their personal and emotional problems,
even if they didn't get to go charging into battle at the head of their own
armies. Although I certainly like reading about people who do. Kero and Tarma,
yay! Personally, I'm glad Misty's books have both kinds of main characters.
:-)

Rainstar said:
<<Does any one know what happened to Victorin, You know the Red-haired mage
from the Black Gryphon? The guy that was friend to Scan and Drake?>>

After BGryphon, he really fades into the background. The only mention of him
after that book that I can think of is a brief few sentences in WGryphon.
Which, IMNSHO, is a real shame! 

Aeon said:
<<I love Steph!! Hes my FAV character..*S*>>

Oooh, a fellow Stefen lover! He's so cool!  ::bounces up and down
enthusiastically for a moment, but then composes herself:: I mean, I do like
'Lendel a lot, but Stefen.. yaaaaaaay! Maybe it's just because there's more of
Stef than 'Lendel..? I don't know; I just like Stefen!

Ambermoon said:
<<TOS is awful, I 
always root for the guy fighting Kirk; TNG is wonderful, awesome, 
insert-your-own superlative-here; DS9 is good but I never get a chance 
to see it; Voyager is a sorry exuse for a Star Trek show.>

Hear, hear! I just can't stand Voyager. (My apologies to everyone who does
like it! Just MHO!) Almost every episode I watch annoys me very much. Plus 7
of 9's background story doesn't check out according to my calculations.. I
don't really have anything against TOS. I think it was a pretty good show for
its time. Mainly I just don't like Kirk; everybody else is spiffy. I did like
TNG. But DS9 is my all-time favorite show ever! I love DS9!!!!!!!!! I can
hardly wait for a DS9 movie!

Orelalaith said about Darian having blue eyes on OSight cover:
<<Mayhaps the pict is after he became a mage? :) Remember... Hawksbrothers
DO eventually bleach out... or I'm reaching, and they messed up... :P>>

True, they do bleach out. But his eyes still couldn't fade to a color they
never were to begin with. They should bleach to pale brown. Of course, you'd
think that if all the color were being bleached away, everyone would
eventually have reddish eyes like albinos. At least that seems like the way it
should be.. but I could be wrong.

Orelalaith also said:
<<Question, is anyone else annoyed by the rendered picts in the books, or is
it just me?  Not only do they NOT look real, but they don't even have the
excuse of looking artistic...>>

Nope, not me! I really liked the pics of Keisha and Snowfire. Actually, I like
most of Larry Dixon's art, but again I seem to be in the minority here. Oh
well!

Wow, this is a long braid! But I'm almost done, I promise!

Jennifer M. Shultz asked:
<<First, has anyone here ever wanted to see a Companion's view in a story?  
One told through the Companion, and not the Herald?  I think that would 
be interesting.>>

Me, me! I think that would be really cool. And now that the Companions aren't
quite so much of an enigma, I think it would be possible. Probably not likely,
though. ::sighs::

Starshadow k'Connecticut said quite some time ago:
<<(yes my puter is female, and her name is Nemesis)>>

Nice to see that I'm not the only one to name their computer! My computer is
also female, and her name is Rasha. :-)

Winterstar k'Canada wrote many, many eons ago:
<<One movie I recently saw (Anime), the antagonist was trying to help the
people, but when he gained the power which he wanted to use to help with, he
became 
evil, and thusly the opposite of what he had wanted.>>

Would that be Rugudorul? If not, who is it? I must know! Sorry; I love anime!

::takes a deep breath::
Well, that's it. Eep! That was a really huge braid! And I still have questions
I wanted to ask about things! But I guess that'll have to wait until another
day.
Minty-flavored sheep to everyone, and hot chocolate with lots of little
marshmallows in it for everyone up in the Far North (to me, anyplace north of
southern Kansas! :).


Ardath Summerstorm
Proud member of the OOUH: Vikteren, Snowstar, and Hydona!!!

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Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 21:38:16 PST
From: "Kyblade *" <kayre2-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: bits of this, bits of that
Message-ID: <19990309053818.27479.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com>

Heyla!!!
        How is everyone?!?!?!?!?! Anyway this is only a short one cause 
being 
my usual lurker-hybrid self I only skim the subject headings then read 
whatever catches my eyes but anyway I was doing my usual skim job when I 
spotted 'Spike'. Being a ultimately obsessed and devoted Buffy fan I 
quickly clicked not really expecting anything to do with Buffy, but 
there it was...somebody saying they think Spike would make a great 
fire....AHHHHHH!!!I only just ead it and I can't remember his 
name...firebird...firesong...fir-tree..???? Anyway please excuse my 
mumblings and bumblings and I'm sure you know who and what I'm talking 
about but what I was going to say was who agrees that Angel would make a 
very nice Falconsbane? He has that very sinister and devious mind.... 
Anyway.. I shall...oh hang on, while I'm on the subject of Buffy where 
is it upto where everyone is? I'm in Aust. and its only in anno2 but 
about 6 or 7 episodes to the season final..
        
        Um..what is Slayers? From my skimming I've gathered it's not a 
Buffy 
thing but it sounds interesting anyway. If anyone would care to 
privately e-mail me so the rest of the list doesn't have to put up with 
my info search dribble put a few(hundred) stars and dashes (*-*-*-*) in 
the subject box just to get my attention.
        
        Um, Katherine..I think it was you who said you wanted someone to 
talk 
to well I'm here and I know how you feel 'cause I only know one person 
who reads Misty's book and he is slightly hard to get in touch with 
although I am slowly getting my best friend addicted...(:< evil grin 
>:)...

        Anyway, sorry everyone about dribble that I've been 
spouting..I've just 
finished y12 half yearly exams and my mind is only just coming back from 
mushdom...but as amends I am sending everyone chocolate Bilbys because 
they're Australia's equal (not equivalent or 'instead of' being) to the 
easter bunny and at the moment they're everywhere!!!(Could be because 
easter is approaching) And also because my sheep got 
eaten/bitten/chewed/muched/dribbled/everything elsed when my mind went 
to study mush...I'll stop now

                Kyblade 
        ICQ# 33147115 


PS- Could someone please explain to me why I got unsubbed? I didn't do 
it..

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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 02:25:06 -0500
From: Ellen K Fluharty <efluharty-+AT+-juno.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 1898
Message-ID: <19990303.022507.-4106309.0.efluharty-+AT+-juno.com>



*With a strangled yodel Ellen shena Liha'irden and her lamb, Ingrid,
swing out of the mist on a green jungle vine, and land with a thud, an
"ooff" and "baaaa....".   Ingrid bounds off uninjured, (she is a beanie
lamb after all) and Ellen limps over near her listsibs.*

Let's see:  My favorite Misty is "By the Sword," I've read it five times,
and if anyone can break my record, let me know!  :-)

Worst Misty:  I skimmed through Silver Gryphon in the book store and
thought "do I really want to pay good money for this?"  and I found the
answer was "no."  Worst Misty that I've actually read, hmm...let's see,
I'm sure there is one, but I can't remember what.

Worst Book I had to read:  "Elmer Gantry" by Upton Sinclair.  Since I'm
against burning books, I just burned the cover and used the main part to
balance my small bookshelf.
(Hope there aren't any Sinclair fans out there....)  *shudders at the
thought*

Chocolate covered Caramel Sheep for All,


Ellen shena Liha'irden
Lady in Green
Keeper of Ingrid, the boogie woogie beanie lamb
WV Spy for CfWD
She'endra to Laurel shena Dester'tale


"....it feels like some sort of inspiration, to let the next life off the
hook, or she'll say look what I had to overcome from my last life, I
think I'll write a book..."
"Galileo"

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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 09:49:43 -0000
From: "Alexia/Sabrina" <i.casale-+AT+-ukonline.co.uk>
To: "misty" <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: re: stuff
Message-ID: <025201be6a12$5b798a00$abc828c3-+AT+-i.casale>

Ardath said:
> I definitely seem to be in the minority here, but I *did* like
>Silver Gryphon. Blade annoyed me slightly, but I did like Tad and the
wyrsa,
>and there were parts with Snowstar! Yay! Again, I think the main problem
with
>the book was that it would have been better as a short story or as part of
a
>larger book.

Exactly!!!!! YES! That's exactly what it is. I liked the book but it was...
a good short story! I really didn't likr Born to Run much at all. I thought
it was depressing and I just wasn't very interested in the living
characters<g> I liked Tannim but the only other characters I liked
were...dead... It was too plot driven and full of shooting and 'magic' where
I found it very hard to suspend disbelief. I didn't like Arrow's Fall or
Winds of Fury too much either- they were OK because I liked the characters
from the other books but...

Favourite books- By the Sword! Then Magic's Pawn.

Favourite character: Kero!!!!! I did like Savil/Sayvil as well... and
Darkwind... and Skan of course<g> Who didn't I like? The demon in
oathbreakers and the man that got turned into a woman... in oathbound
Raschar as his lot...  but I guess that wasn't because the characters were
badly done but because they were like some real life people who are just
^&)$%I^( <translate as you think applicable> Talia did annoy me though...
far to passive... not submissive but passive, that's the word I meant!

>Shantaya Autumnleaf said:
><<Now my least favorite is Karal because he got on my nerves with his
>submissive attitude.>>

I didn't like Talia because she was too submissive and almost subserviant...
I didn't find Karal that way though... I thought Karal was just a quiet,
rather reserved person but quite prepared to act where he thought he could
change things... Talia was too ready to ask other people before acting...

Ardath said:
>Nope, not me! I really liked the pics of Keisha and Snowfire. Actually, I
like
>most of Larry Dixon's art, but again I seem to be in the minority here. Oh
>well!

I liked most of his art work as well. But I think I liked it because I
didn't use it to form my views of the characters- just thought- oo, a pretty
picture as if it had nothing to do with the books. I HATE, HATE, HATE most
of Jodi Lee's cover art- really can't stand it.

KRISTEN!- <the Kristen I've been chatting to about books>- please mail me- I
tried to mail you back about CJCherryh but my computer wouldn't accept the
address and just kept returning the mail!


Alexia



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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 06:04:49 -0600
From: "pereldan" <pereldan-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: fav books & etc.
Message-ID: <199903091208.MAA12705-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>


<<Taliesin Pereldan fades in from somewhere South of Reality, a tired and
wet gold fire-lizard on his shoulder, dressed all in Harper-blue.>>

Heyla everyone, just finished Owlsight, and now almost finished
Owlflight.... I like both of them so far, because i love books that focus
on one or two central characters. I also like them because they explain a
bit more about the way magic works in Valdemar, and the Healing Gifts...

My least favorite Misty novel, although i do still like it somewhat, has
got to be Silver Gryphon. I just couldn't get into it the first time a read
it, which, to show you how rare that is for me, is only the third time in
23 years that that has happened to me...
*******************************************quote
follows********************************************************************
ObMisty: Do you think that anyone would ever (or is planning to) come out
with a
Guide to Valdemar? I have some for Pern, Wheel of Time, & Tolkien, so I was
wondering about a comprehensive guide to the world. 

~Kristine
"Just breathe" -- Ever After
*******************************************quote
ends**********************************************************************

I thought i saw a guide to Valdemar of some sort or the other in my last
Firebird Arts Catalog...check the website, they may have one listed there.

Oh well, the Real World (R) intrudes once more in the form of a lightning
storm, and my powers is started to flicker, so i'll cut this post short...

Wind to thy Wings, listsibs

Taliesin Pereldan, Impressed of Rhiannon, Gold Fire-Lizard
Journeyman Harper


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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 09:01:56 -0500 (EST)
From: Orelalaith <ghsu-+AT+-ic.sunysb.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: hey i'm a newbie
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.990309085031.5776A-100000-+AT+-sparky>

On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, Lisa Holcomb wrote:
>     ****I have read everything else except the Owl books...I _loved_
> the Oath books, AoQ, LHM, but couldn't get terribly interested in
> Storm or Gryphon books...as much as I hate to admit it, Lackey's
> writing seems to be going downhill...*sigh* ...or I'm getting
> incredibly spoiled by Melanie Rawn's writing...

::grin:: Actually, I agree, I think that she's getting tired of this
perticular world, but it makes $$$ ... ::sigh:: Or at least that's my
interpretation of it... which basically means, I hope she moves on and
writes better books...

As for my Fav misty book... in the Valdemar series it's Magic's Pawn,
non-Valdemar (and absolute fav Misty book) is The Ship that Searched... I
think she should try more sci-fi's... :)   Unfortunately, I happen to like
MANY books equally... so without the limit of what series I can't say
what's my fav... however, I KNOW what I DON'T like... (Ain't it how it
always is? :)  Least fav Misty books are: (In equal measure) I Pay Thee
not in Gold ( I blame Piers Anthony, but that's 'cause I have a problem
with his writing...) and the Owl series... I'm calling the Owl series "The
Concise, but worst written tale of Vanyel"... I mean, the core of the tale
is the same, just not as well done! ARGH!  At least in the second one it's
a LITTLE better, but now she's moving WAAYYY too fast...  ::sigh:: Well,
let's see how she does next... Well, then again, the Owl's have the
Othersight, which is STILL scritching at my sensabilities... Yeah, little
things like that bug me... basically, all these little things just tell me
that the writer (Misty) is rushing & isn't bothering TOO hard with the
quality... which reads to ME like she's uninterestd int he series...
::shrug: I *MIGHT* be reading too much into it, though...

(And then there's the freakin' ugly cgi picts... I liked the old
line-drawings better! :(  )

> 
> well, if they get better, then I'll try again...
> 
> thanks
> lisa :)
> ==
> Lisa Holcomb                             awamiba-+AT+-yahoo.com
>         http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Arc/5894
>     "People who live in reality have no imagination."
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Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 09:16:03 -0500
From: "MEG PORTER" <mporter-+AT+-MAIL.DEP.STATE.WV.US>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Please allow me to introduce myself/Worst book ever read
Message-ID: <s6e4e6d5.014-+AT+-MAIL.DEP.STATE.WV.US>

Heyla!

I've been lurking for a few days, please allow me to say Hi! The name's Meg, also known as Megwyn, Chosen by Dawn, the Black Night Mare. I've been a Misty fan for several years now and used to get a hand-me-down copy of THE QUEEN'S OWN till the person I got it from moved and I lost her address. Anyway, I'm glad I found such a cool place to hang out!

Now, my $.02. The worst booke ever written...it has to be a book I've given up on called "Dust"---it stinks. Basically, dust mites go spastic and eat people. Yecch. I can't believe I paid $$ for this...am calling the Sci-fi book club and asking if I can send it back!!!

Glad to have found y'all!

WTTW,

megwyn


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Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 15:09:46 -0000
From: "Amy Lea-Anne Tracey" <dawnfire-+AT+-angelfire.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: silver gryphon,s&s,fluff,ect
Message-ID: <JOGODJPFDHNBAAAA-+AT+-angelfire.com>

 

 I 
>loved Misty's idea of the main character being shaych (LHM).  I found it 
>quite unique.

*Takes a moment to cheer loudly, getting several odd stares*

>Least Favorite of Misty's books:
>I'd have to say the Silver Gryphon.  

I agree. Silver Gryphon kinda ruined the image established in Black Gryphon (which I love) I want to remember my Skan as the Vain Skydancer and Despoiler of Virgins! NOT an old worn out bag of bones! White gryphon was so-so, after all, Skan eventually triumphed! ;o)
>
  Okay everyone, I know the Sword and Sorcery books had a lot of Misty stories in them, but which ones?! I've looked everywhere around here (that's not sayin much...) but the only ones I find don't have any of mIsty's stories in them! Could someone please let me know?

********Fluff************************************************
 Tarsi jumps on Elsa and licks her face :I like this one! She's not mean to me, like a certain mage I know...: Dawnfire sighs, Well Elsa ,looks like you're in for it now. * Tarsi proceeds to fawn all over Elsa*  
Anywaz, I had the most delicious fruit the other night and I thought I would save some for everyone *Dawnfire waves her hand and a table with appers with sweet golden honeydews on it*  Enjoy!
              Dawnfire and silly Tarsi


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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 07:51:37 -0800 (PST)
From: Lisa Holcomb <awamiba-+AT+-yahoo.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: hey i'm a newbie
Message-ID: <19990309155137.10906.rocketmail-+AT+-send501.yahoomail.com>

---Orelalaith <ghsu-+AT+-ic.sunysb.edu> wrote:
> ::grin:: Actually, I agree, I think that she's getting tired of this
> perticular world, but it makes $$$ ... ::sigh:: Or at least that's my
> interpretation of it... which basically means, I hope she moves on and
> writes better books...
     ****oh yes, it's like she has nothing else to say, and she's
punishing the poor readers....*sigh*



Fave misty books:
Oathbound and Oathbreakers

Least fave misty books: 
Storm books

Fave non-misty fantasy:
Exiles by Melanie Rawn

Least fave non misty fantasy:
ummmm....brain freeze....

I can't tell ya all my faves...there are WAY too many...i read lots of
everything...

lisa....meep!
==
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Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 09:07:23 -0700
From: Laurel Redd <lredd-+AT+-du.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: hey i'm a newbie
Message-ID: <36E5473B.4C53364F-+AT+-du.edu>



>
> Least fave misty books:
> Storm books
>
>
> Ilisa....meep!
> ==
> Lisa Holcomb
>

I actually liked the Storm books because they explained more about the
surrounding countries and were from a much different perspective than most
of then other Valdemar type books.  I actually like Tremane.

BB,
Morgan
(ducking the spontaneous combustible sheep headed her way)





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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 19:29:34 +0100
From: Autumnleaf-+AT+-t-online.de (Autumnleaf)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: S. King/Karal submissive/Sword and Sorceress
Message-ID: <m10KRG2-0004JVC-+AT+-fwd01.btx.dtag.de>

Heyla all,

I wrote:
> > Least favorite book ever:
> > Short story collection by Stephen King. I didn't finish it. I thought as a
> > horror author he would thrill me or make me shudder like e.g. Lovecraft
>  did. But
> > he only repelled me with all the blood and gore and violence. No subtlety at
> > all.

Paige answered:
> Which short story collection?  There's more thatn one.

Sorry, don't know anymore. Moreover, it was a German title and could be a 
compilation of short stories that had not been published in this "mix" in the 
English-speaking world. German publishers are allowed to do all kinds of things 
to books and stories like leaving out whole chapters or changing characters' 
names! *sigh*

Someone whose name I lost (sorry!) wrote:
>Oh, why must everyone dislike the quiet and submissive people? Not everyone
>can be a bold and daring leader. I like characters like Karal and Talia
>because they show that even if you're not really outgoing and don't have
>especially pronounced leadership qualities, you can still be a courageous
>person and make a difference. I could really relate to Talia and Karal and
<An'desha and others like them because they weren't really "heroic" types. I
>enjoyed seeing them gradually overcome their personal and emotional problems,
>even if they didn't get to go charging into battle at the head of their own
>armies. 

You are right: not everybody can (or should) be a leader or swashbuckling hero. 
I like reading about the kind of people you described above because if done well 
it might give a nice twist to a story. The reason why I dislike Karal has to do 
with a real life person he reminded me of. Always eager to help, always eager to 
serve and to do things for other people, but the RL person did it to please 
others, because he thought he would climb the ladder to success this way. So I 
always suspected Karal to do what he did for the same purpose and I found it 
hard to believe that he was not so selfish. 

Starshadow k'Connecticut said quite some time ago:
<<(yes my puter is female, and her name is Nemesis)>>

The same somebody as above replied:
>Nice to see that I'm not the only one to name their computer! My computer is
>also female, and her name is Rasha. :-)

Mine doesn't have a gender and is called "You bloddy bastard" (has nothing to do 
with Pratchett's camels!!! I do not count compis among the best mathemagicians 
of the world)

******** NEWBIES BEWARE **********
Torell, the JEster has spotted another Newbie, the fair Megwyn. "Hi, there and 
welcome to the madhou ... err, I mean the Mercedes Lackey Mailing List." 
He fishes through his many pockets and finally produces a handful of custard. 
"Here you are", he says and hands it over to Megwyn. "If you have any questions 
on how to behave ... err, I mean, on how to handle the mailing thing there are 
people with Councilor of Mist in their sigs around who are always bored and will 
love to help you."
********* END ***************

Dawnfire asked:
>Okay everyone, I know the Sword and Sorcery books had a lot of Misty stories in 
>them, but which ones?! I've looked everywhere around here (that's not sayin 
>much...) but the only ones I find don't have any of mIsty's stories in them! 
>Could someone please let me know?

*Shantaya delves deeply into her fearsome archives. When she emerges again only 
two fingers got bitten this time but she has the answer*

S&S III - Sword Sworn (first Tarma and Kethry story ever)
S&S IV  - A Tale of Heroes
S&S V   - Keys
S&S VI  - The Making of a Legend
S&S VII - The Talisman
S&S VIII - Wings of Fire
S&S IX  - Woman's Weapon
S&S X   - Friendly Fire
S&S XII - A Dragon in Distress (with Elizabeth Waters)

Apart from the last, all stories feature Tarma and Kethry and were collected and 
published in Oathblood (plus two new stories).


Well, back to Real Life (TM). Jelly belly bean sheep to all *"With Custard!" - 
"No, Torell!"*

Shantaya Autumnleaf
and Torell, her JEster
and You bloody Bastard, the puter


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Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 11:54:06 PST
From: "Derrick O" <dali_s-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Hello Favs and least favs
Message-ID: <19990309195409.5555.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com>

I've been a member of the list for about a week now and I have finally 
decided to put my newbie $.02 in to the discussion.
My favorite Misty book that I've read so far has to be Chrome Circle. 
Overall I like the Valdemar books that I've read more than her other 
books that I've read, but Chrome Circle sticks out as my overall 
favorite.
My least favorite book has to be When the Bough Breaks. It was well 
writen, but the subject of it and just the disturbing nature of it made 
it the only book that made me physically ill while reading it. I even 
had one friend refuse to talk to me for a week after I let her read the 
book and her not believing me that it was rather dark in nature.
As for the apparant general dislike of the Silver Gryphon, I have to 
disagree. Admittedly it doesn't seem to fit the other two books of the 
series very well and she has written better books, but I feel what it 
does accomplish as a book is to open up the possibilty of more books 
from that time period. To me it seems more like a precursor to a new 
series than the conclusion to the Gryphon trilogy. Though really I can't 
think of any kind of story she could have done featuring the same 
characters from the first two gryphon books that would have worked any 
better either. Maybe I'm wrong there though. 
My favorite character has to be Kethry from the Oath books. I can't 
exactly explain why, but she is. 
My least favorite character hmmmmmmm... I don't know. Maybe the evil 
wizard from the southern Empire from The White Gryphon. 
Favorite Non-Misty book. I can't name just one, that would be cruel and 
unusal punishment to all the great books that I've read, but for the 
sake of argument I'll say Laurell Hamilton's Anita Blake Vampire Hunter 
Series is one of my current favorites.
Least Favofire Non-Misty book has to be Anne Rice's Vampire Chronicles. 
I like Anne Rice as a writer, but I really dislike her vampire writing.
Another thing I've noticed in Misty's books or at least in a good 
portion of them and maybe you can tell me if you agree or disagree, or 
if this subject has been brought up in the past and I should just shut 
up, is that while the bulk of the book seems to be rather well writen 
and really grabs you and draws you in, but the ending of many of her 
books seem to be such a let down from that pinnacle and anti-climatic. 
Well that's all I have to say for now and this is probably more than 
just my $.02 so I'll stop writing now.
          -Derrick

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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 12:59:50 -0800
From: "L. J. Thompson" <ljt-+AT+-lclark.edu>
To: "'mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk'" <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: the fav/least fav book thread-that-won't-die and other stuff too!
Message-ID: <01BE6A2C.BF0602A0-+AT+-BASIL>

Ok, just to start off, apparently Outlook is attaching a file that it finds 
meaningful to these emails and I haven't been able to convince it not to, 
so sorry if you get a bunch of garbage text. ***mutters something about 
rebooting the computer in the LINUX partition telnetting in, and using PINE 
or some such program, decides that this is still better (slightly)***


>Starshadow k'Connecticut said quite some time ago:
><<(yes my puter is female, and her name is Nemesis)>>
>
>Somone replied:
>>Nice to see that I'm not the only one to name their computer! My computer 
is
>>also female, and her name is Rasha. :-)
>
>Autumnleaf then said:
>Mine doesn't have a gender and is called "You bloddy bastard" (has nothing 
to do
>with Pratchett's camels!!! I do not count compis among the best 
mathemagicians
>of the world)

Mine's male and called "Basil" after the character in Fawlty Towers.....And 
in defense of those of us who are CompSci people, it's not all of our 
faults, just Microsoft's (and occasionally Apple's)! Now if they'd let us 
have the source code of the OS.......(if you haven't been following the 
technobabble, don't worry. Sorry. I'll stop now.)


On the favorite/least favorite books thread:

My favorite Mercedes Lackey book changes, but it is always one of LHM 
books. I really like books where you know what the character is thinking. I 
found that even though I have little in common with the main character, I 
could relate to him very well, because the books were written so well. My 
other favorites are the Arrows books and By the Sword. I didn't like the 
later stuff so well. I still liked them, and they still passed the 
would-I-rather-be-watching-tv test with flying colors, but they just 
weren't as good as LHM and Arrows. (I've read all of the Velgarth books 
except the Oath books, which I will read as soon as I find copies of them.) 
I wanted to read more about characters and less about plot, I guess. As I 
see it, there are 3 basic approaches that most authors use when writing a 
book:

a) I have this interesting character, now what can he/she/it go do/what 
made them this way/etc.? (I tend to like these the best)

b)I have this nifty idea for something that can happen, now who should go 
do it? (Some of these can be pretty good)

c) I have this nifty idea for a device that....(arrgghhh. I tend to really 
hate these.)

Obviously, good books are mingling of these, rather than just one, but it 
seems that most authors start with one of these, judging from what they end 
up with. If the character is interesting, then I tend to like the book. 
Although some books that are mostly about a setting or a plot can be 
interesting too, if I'm in the right mood.

I have to agree with just about everybody else, I wasn't fond of the Silver 
Gryphon. I was reading it  (at about 3:00 the morning I might add, I got 
all 3 Gryphon books for Christmas and stayed up all night reading all 3 in 
a row) and I though hmm...this is a neat story........then at the end of 
the book I was like "that's IT? That the WHOLE BOOK? There isn't any more? 
WHAT!"

My favorite non-Mercedes Lackey books would probably have to be Don't Bite 
the Sun, by Tanith Lee. It's weird, but very good. (It's mostly about the 
character, and in a very interesting sci/fi setting) I also rather liked 
Virtual Mode, by Piers Anthony. ***ducks various varieties of thrown sheep 
from the portion of the list that can't stand Piers Anthony books***

My all-time least favorite book would have to be Julie of the Wolves, by 
Jean Craighead George. I know some people really like it, and I usually 
like that genre (surviving in the wilderness with dogs/wolves involved), 
but I REALLY, REALLY hated that book. Urgh.


Ellen shena Liha'irden said:
>Let's see:  My favorite Misty is "By the Sword," I've read it five times,
>and if anyone can break my record, let me know!  :-)

hmm......***counts on fingers*** nope...I think I've only read that one 3 
or 4 times so far.  I've read the LHM books at least 6 or 7 times, though. 
(It's all the more impressive/pathetic when you realize that I hadn't read 
any of this until August...:))

some people were talking about the art in the books(I'm too lazy to go find 
them and quote them, sorry) I personally am not terribly fond of the 
interior art in general, but I tend to like most of the cover 
illustrations. (Although that may just be that they are so good in 
comparison to the covers of most of the fantasy or sci/fi that I read. I 
tend to read Tanith Lee stuff published back in the 70's and it seems that 
DAW had the theory "forget figuring out what the book is about! Let's stick 
a scantily-clad woman on the cover! Yeah! That's it!") I really like the 
covers for the LHM books, although I'm still not sure who the naked woman 
in the upper left corner of Magic's Pawn is.......I guess DAW still had a 
tendency to the Random Naked Women theory at the time...oh well........

Well, I'm sure I can think of more things that I want to say as soon as I 
send this, but oh well, it's already way too long, so I'll scamper off now.

L.J. Thompson
ICQ #6886878


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