MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1903 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) A few words in Elspeth's defence by "Herald Katherine" 2) Re: Braid on books and Misty's writing by Christie Maas 3) Re: most and least favorites by "Mindy the Ghostbuster" 4) Re: most and least favorites by Dainestar-+AT+-aol.com 5) Re: collaborations, characters, art, and ~fluff~ - longish by "Firedance KTreva" 6) short quip... by Danae 7) Re: Firebird Arts by Paustinnew-+AT+-aol.com 8) Re: Braid on books and Misty's writing by david h tiffany ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:34:17 PST From: "Herald Katherine" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: A few words in Elspeth's defence Message-ID: <19990312223418.19383.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_1653751a_15e8c980$5beb9cb2 Content-type: text/plain hey! you guys! come on!!! how can you all be so cruel about Elspeth? after reading half a dozen things mentioned about how much you all don't like Elspeth, i felt i had to interfere. Elspeth (and Skif) has always been my favorite!! i think it's great to finally have a heraldic character that is NOT perfect in every single way. (ex:TALIA). if you guys all have a problem with bitches, you can talk to ME. -katie throws her arms over her head and ducks behind the soapbox to avoid the barrage of misty paraphanelia being thrown at her. still love you all. -+AT+-----}----- A rose for my fellow list-sibs "There is no such thing as a coincidence, only mortals who have not fought the winds of fate." -rris, quoting his "famous cousin warrl" hey, that's another thing. have you guys ever noticed that all the kyree (did i spell that right?) have double letters in their names? Wind to thy wings, Herald Katherine Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------=_NextPart_000_1653751a_15e8c980$5beb9cb2 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_62c5496_15e8c980$5beb9cb2" ------=_NextPart_001_62c5496_15e8c980$5beb9cb2 Content-type: text/html

hey! you guys! come on!!! how can you all be so cruel about Elspeth? after reading half a dozen things mentioned about how much you all don't like Elspeth, i felt i had to interfere.

Elspeth (and Skif) has always been my favorite!! i think it's great to finally have a heraldic character that is NOT perfect in every single way. (ex:TALIA). if you guys all have a problem with bitches, you can talk to ME.

-katie throws her arms over her head and ducks behind the soapbox to avoid the barrage of misty paraphanelia being thrown at her.

<THE MOB HAS SPOKEN, BETTER DISAPPEAR FOR A WHILE>

still love you all.

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A rose for my fellow list-sibs

"There is no such thing as a coincidence, only mortals who have not fought the winds of fate."
-rris, quoting his "famous cousin warrl"

hey, that's another thing. have you guys ever noticed that all the kyree (did i spell that right?) have double letters in their names?

Wind to thy wings,
Herald Katherine

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ObMisty: I'd like to see Misty take the time to really work on > > writing a great epic. This discussion about character-driven vs. > > plot-driven stories got me to thinking that Misty's biggest flaw in her > > recent books is that there really isn't an engaging, thoughtful, detailed > > plot to the story. They are *too* character-driven. > I'm always optimistic that she is, in fact, doing this while she's writing her > bread and butter books. If she's spending 80% of her writing time on works > that put the bread and butter on her table, then maybe she's spending 20% on > something else - perhaps what you suggested, perhaps music, perhaps something > different. I'm hopeful that in a year (or two) we'll see something like what > you've suggested - or perhaps one of the two that are coming out will be like > that... > remember: her tri degarde books are about a writer: writing is _work_!! it's impossible to make everybody -like- what you do for a living, you just hope the best of it. also: whatever you write: you always put an awful lot of yourself in it (this from an amateur, sort of poetry-writer) and i absolutely _HATE_ to publish anything i wrote. i'm convinced it's shildish, thiefing junk. greetz, chrisje > betha'lis (or sometimes julia) > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:55:51 PST From: "Mindy the Ghostbuster" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: most and least favorites Message-ID: <19990312235552.26691.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> *A wet and shivering Mindy steps cautiously out from the Firehouse to deliver her message, ordering an enthusiastic Slimer to stand guard*. Okay, my favorites. Fave Misty book/s- The Last Herald Mage trilogy, especially Magic's Price. In my mind, they're definately the best work Misty's written, and I like the fact that Vanyel dies at the end ( face it, someone w/ a job as dangerous as his isn't going to die of old age ). Least Fave Misty book/s - The entire Arrows trilogy. I HATED it. They were all very poorly written, and her characterization seemed off, somehow. Fave Misty char - Vanyel. Or maybe Moondance K'Treva ( I never could make myself like Starwind, for some reason ). Least Fave Misty char - Umm, Darian actually. For some reason, he really gets on my nerves. *Mindy smiles charmingly at everybody, and takes off after a passing ghost sheep. * - Mindy the Ghostbuster Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 20:24:18 EST From: Dainestar-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: most and least favorites Message-ID: Ok, ok, after having kept up a nice lurking record, I shall delurk and add my opinion to the ever-increasing list of "favorites and least favorites." You all can stand one more such list, can't you? *blinks innocently* Most Favorite Misty series: Well.......I hate to say it, because I am a loyal favorite of Tarma and Kethry, but I'll have to go with LHM for this (which is SUCH an original opinion, I know). It was just a better-written series than the various Oathbooks. Whoever said Oathbound was too much like a bunch of short stories thrown together was right- Misty did the best only she could do but it was still a little choppy. Besides- LHM (especially MPawn) had me crying my eyes out and I don't tend to do that with books. Least favorite series: The Storm trilogy. Definitely. It didn't in the least interest me. Not that I hate Karal, not that I hate Firesong (that much), but the books just did not let me get into them. I'm tempted to say the Gryphon series but I've only read the first four pages of the Black Gryphon so I'm not really in a position to do so. Fave. Non-Misty book: FAR too many to choose just one, but some of them are Robin McKinley's The Hero and the Crown, Tamora Pierce's Song of the Lioness, Phillip Pullman's The Golden Compass, Red Planet, and Francesca Lia Block's Weetzie Bat series. Least favorite Non-Misty book: The Sound and the Fury!!! Ach, I DETESTED that book. It was one thing to have flashes of consciousness switching back and forth at random points in the story- how the HELL can you understand what's going on? Faulkner just annoys me. That's it for now. Sheep to all who like such things. Daine Xenite Extraordinaire ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 17:57:22 PST From: "Firedance KTreva" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: collaborations, characters, art, and ~fluff~ - longish Message-ID: <19990313015722.5276.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> ********************************************************************** FLUFF ********************************************************************** Firedance K'Treva suddenly appears in a flash of multi- fire colored light. She throws her hands in the air and many non-flameable and no heat sparks fly from her hands surrounding her in a whirl pool of light. She starts to turn around in circles and starts to dance. Finally she collapses on a pile of fuzzy ship. Seeing the puzzled looks on the faces of her list sibs, she explains. "Sorry about the dramatic exict from lurkdom - I'M IN LOVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" I'm 20 yrs old and I have my first boyfriend. He's 4 yrs older than I am and he treats me like a lady and a princess. He sent me a dozen roses at work for no reason at all. The card said "Just to let you know how special you are." He gives me lots of presents that come from the heart. He doesn't push me for sex either. That's important to me because I'm still a virgin. We dated for 2 weeks before I realized that I was IN LOVE. I'M soooo HAPPY. For those list sibs that are also in love - How long where you dating before you realized you were in love? Firedance then dives into the hot springs and starts to dream about her boyfriend. End fluff ********************************************************************* Elsa wrote > I also don't like Talia, but I'm not really sure why. *smacks forehead* >Oh wait, that's right! She slept with her life-bonded's best friend. At the time she slept with Kris she didn't know that she was life bonded to Dirk. She had also almost had an emotional breakdown because Kris found out the she was losing control of her Gift and she needed comforting. the first time just happened. > She never told anyone about those threatening notes, for example. If >she'd just ~told~ someone instead of being a silly twit, she never >would have been attacked. Have you ever been physically, verbally, or emotionally abused? As someone who was verbally abused by my peers, I can tell you that you stop trusting damn near everybody and have a hard time trusting people in the future. Talia had NEVER had anyone that she could trust. She was physically, verbally, and emotionally abused for most of her life and you expect her to be able to trust complete strangers in less than a year?! She didn't think they would beleive her. After all, the Holderkin didn't beleive her when she told them her brother had abused her and there was physical proof. She had no physical proof that the Blues were abusing her. > I've been the target of the kind of bullies that were hounding her, >and guess what? She let them control her, which is what they wanted. Were you 13 or 14 yrs old and in a completely alien environment? >~This~ is the Queen's Own, the person who is supposed to be a pillar >of strength for the country? No, this is a scared 13/14 yr old who has been abused for most of her life in a strange city where everything is completely different then what she has known with no friends, no family, nothing besides Rolan. Becky, I'm praying for you. ********************************************************************** Everyone is crazy but me and thee and I'm not so sure about thee. Firedance K'Treva who is bonded to the beautiful & vain firebird Ana Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 00:32:03 -0500 From: Danae To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: short quip... Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990313003203.007f5a10-+AT+-ime.net> Firedance k'Treva wrote: >No, this is a scared 13/14 yr old who has been abused for most of her >life in a strange city where everything is completely different then >what she has known with no friends, no family, nothing besides Rolan. And might I add that she was still half afraid at the beginning that she was going to have to give him back!!!! ~Rainsong k'T'more~ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 00:45:01 EST From: Paustinnew-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Firebird Arts Message-ID: <2ca877c2.36e9fb5d-+AT+-aol.com> Forgive me for covering old ground, but could someone point me in the direction of Firebird Arts -- whether a website, address, or other point of contact? I would be most extremely grateful, and would wish eternal chocolate sheep upon you and yours. Pam, who goes by Map ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:25:29 -0800 From: david h tiffany To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Braid on books and Misty's writing Message-ID: <199903121725.JAA02371-+AT+-davidt> > > Cennydd wrote: > > > Hmmm. ObMisty: I'd like to see Misty take the time to really work on > > writing a great epic. This discussion about character-driven vs. > > plot-driven stories got me to thinking that Misty's biggest flaw in her > > recent books is that there really isn't an engaging, thoughtful, detailed > > plot to the story. They are *too* character-driven. And it seems > > plausible that that fact is due to her "churn 'em out as fast as possible" > > writing style of recent years Song cue! Back in the mists of the past Uncle Jake gifted us with the following... "Permission is granted to reproduce this song for non-profit purposes only. Authorship information, and this message, must be included. This song may be performed in public, on condition that (1) authorship is acknowledged during the performance and (2) a report on the song's reception is sent to the author (rynath-+AT+-webspan.net)." -- #10 -- ===================================================================== MISTY'S WRITING GOES ROLLING ALONG -- A PARODY With apologies to whomever wrote "The Caissons go Rolling Along." New Lyrics by Jake Adamo ===================================================================== Arrow's Fall, Arrow's Flight, write another book tonight Misty's writing goes rolling along. Magic's Pawn, Magic's Price--thirty more books just ain't nice Misty's writing goes rolling along. It's a-no-ther one! Is her writing never done? She needs a bookcase of her own! A co-author new-- Robert Jordan! ::Boo hoo hoo!:: Misty's writing goes rolling along. Oathbreakers, By the Sword, Silver Gryphon left me bored Misty's writing goes rolling along. Larry, dear, please desist, helping Misty won't assist Misty's writing goes rolling along. Oh look, it's more stuff! Ninety novels--not enough! Come on and write and write some more! But keep Larry a-way, (Take his brushes, he'll obey,) Misty's writing keeps rolling along. Winds of Change, Winds of Fate, well, her books are just first-rate. Misty's writing keeps rolling along. Wrote a tale? Don't you know? That's a big huge no-no-no... Misty's writing keeps rolling along. Keep your lawyers back Please do hold off their attack Honest, truly we didn't know! Her books you can spy ... But fanfiction? You will fry! Misty's writing keeps rolling along. DISCLAIMER: "Permission is granted to reproduce this song for non-profit purposes only. Authorship information, and this message, must be included. This song may be performed in public, on condition that (1) authorship is acknowledged during the performance and (2) a report on the song's reception is sent to the author (rynath-+AT+-webspan.net)." I am sorry to say that I request that this file NOT be posted on any server which has a connection to the internet. In other words, please do not post this file on a web page or FTP site at all. *sigh* I freelance for a living, and this is (so far) my best work. Problems with the definition of what counts as published or not on the internet leads to problems in sales. -- Jake (rynath-+AT+-webspan.net) ************************************************************************ ******************** Davdi H Tiffany, God of tippietoes (and resident fogey) ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1903 **********************************