MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1909

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) math-defying ages
	by "ambermoon starshadow" <ambermoon00-+AT+-hotmail.com>
  2) Re: Kyree names
	by "Sorana Stargem" <bastet11-+AT+-hotmail.com>
  3) Re: Kyree names
	by "Herald Katherine" <herald_katherine-+AT+-hotmail.com>
  4) Re: Major De-Lurk
	by J/D/H Robertson <jdhrob-+AT+-ihug.co.nz>
  5) "Sayvil"...
	by "Kero"<kerowyn-+AT+-dangerous-minds.com>
  6) Talia/Elspeth/MZB&Velgarth
	by Rachesqka-+AT+-aol.com
  7) Re: Talia/Elspeth/MZB&Velgarth 
	by david h tiffany <davidt-+AT+-cet.com>
  8) Names/Mistakes
	by Sharry Adams <sharry_lynn-+AT+-hotmail.com>
  9) RE: Re: Kyree names
	by "Kero"<kerowyn-+AT+-dangerous-minds.com>
 10) Talia, Elspeth, and anything else
	by "Kristy Lyseng" <moonshade_noema-+AT+-hotmail.com>
 11) Talia, Elspeth, and countries
	by "charlotte distefano" <char_char3-+AT+-hotmail.com>
 12) Re: Talia
	by Miranda Warren <mrainsong-+AT+-yahoo.com>
 13) Re: math-defying ages
	by Julia Gray <jgray-+AT+-oakton.edu>
 14) Talia & Elspeth
	by "Li'nia Stormdancer" <lstormdancer-+AT+-hotmail.com>

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 20:05:44 PST
From: "ambermoon starshadow" <ambermoon00-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: math-defying ages
Message-ID: <19990319040545.17243.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com>

Heyla,

Paige wrote:
>There is one point in time where Darkwinds guesses she is 10 years 
>older than Dawnfire, making her 27 BUT he later revises that saying 
>it's just because she's so complex that she seems that much older, so 
>I assume she's younger.  by how much...I haven't the foggiest <grin> 
>but it bugs me too

   p. 19 of WoChange, it says "Herald Elspeth, Heir to the Crown of 
Valdemar, survivor of a thousand and one ceremonies in her twenty-six 
years" That's Misty saying Elspeth is 26, when she can't possibly be. 
Most likely she's around 23 or 24 (7 in AotQ + 5 years = 12 in AFlight + 
1 1/2 years = 13 or 14 in AFall + 9 years + some-odd months = 23 or 24 
in WoChange)


Paige wrote again:
>Also, he says that when he first saw the gryphlets he already had 
>Vree, but dawnfire saw he's only had Vree for 5 years...how's that?

Daine wrote:
>I remember that!!! In WoChange (no textev, but I know it's there 
>somewhere), Wintermoon was telling Skif that he was Darkwind's age, 
>which means he was even four or five years OLDER than Elspeth, making 
>him around 30-31, and I just don't get how Lytha and Jerven can only 
>be 6 or 7 if he was 14 when the gryphons last went on a mting flight.
>There are a bunch of age discrepancies in the Winds books I've found. 
>Oh well- don't know how to explain them unless the gestation period >of 
gryphons is a very, very long time....

I think it's a Misty-ake. that is an amusing suggestion, though I would 
feel exceedingly sorry for gryphon mothers!


on another note, I have finally found a use for Silver_Gryphon (besides 
a door-stopper, that is <g>). I read the Mage Wars trilogy before LHM, 
so the wyrsa in MPawn were more frightening and horrifying than they 
would have been if I hadn't seen them before. (btw, I have a friend for 
whom Silver_Gryphon is her favorite Velgarth book - go figure.)

nit-picking sheep to all,
Ambermoon
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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 20:48:46 PST
From: "Sorana Stargem" <bastet11-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Kyree names
Message-ID: <19990319044847.19938.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com>

Heyla all!

Kero wrote:
>Not all kryees have double letters in their names. In LHM, 
>there were at least two kryees named, and neither had 
>double letters in them, if i remember correctly.

 Actually, I think least one of them did. I believe her(?) name was 
Hyrrl. I think I spelled that right.... I can't remember what the other 
one's name was off the top of my head. Aroon, or something like that?  
The only reason I remember Hyrrl's name at all is because I named one of 
my stuffed animals after her(?).

 I found one of Misty's names in another author's book! In Mickey Zucker 
Reichert's "The Last of the Renshai" there was an archer named Ancar. He 
was a good guy, but he didn't live very long.

 Stars light your path,
  Sorana S. Stargem
Herald-trainee,              %-+AT+-"So free for a moment
High Priestess to the Goddess%-+AT+-Lost somewhere between the earth and 
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Goddess of Flions,           %-+AT+-So free for a moment
Knight of Amber and Marigold,%-+AT+-Lost because I want to be lost
Knight of the OOUH           %-+AT+-Don't try to find me" --The Martinis
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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:58:13 PST
From: "Herald Katherine" <herald_katherine-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Kyree names
Message-ID: <19990319065813.473.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com>

sorona wrote....


I can't remember what the other 
>one's name was off the top of my head. Aroon, or something like that?  

uh............aroon has 2 o's guys.  if that is right, then i believe 
the dear herald is correct. hey, i could be wrong. don't be mad, just 
responding.

                       -+AT+-----}-----
              A rose for my fellow list-sibs

"There is no such thing as a coincidence, only mortals who have not 
fought the winds of fate."
-Rris, quoting his "famous cousin Warrl"

Hey, that's another thing, have you guys ever noticed that MOST of the 
kryee have double letters in their names??
-REVISED FOR KERO 

"What's one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and 
one and one?" 

"I don't know," said Alice "i lost count."

"She can't add." Said the Red Queen

-Lewis Carrol

Wind to thy wings,
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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 22:42:13 +1300
From: J/D/H Robertson <jdhrob-+AT+-ihug.co.nz>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Major De-Lurk
Message-ID: <36F21BF4.10D06AC9-+AT+-ihug.co.nz>

Hello!!!!!!
Cos everyone else is, I thought I'd delurk aswell... (its that peer pressure
thing ya know)

You know... I haven't read a single book that wasn't called "fundamentals of
something" or "principles of something" or "microbiology" or "anatomy &
physiology" (ok I think you get the point) for ageeeeees!!!!  I even had to
return the copies of the Gryphon books (I forget what they are really
called) without even reading them!!! LOL -+AT+- the letter from the
debt-collection agency for my overdue library books


> I find it better to judge each person individually, as though they were
> your equal in every way, unless they are your superior at something. I
> find
> people respect me more if I treat them such, and because of it, I have
> many
> international friends, including Hev (New Zealand) and Kerstin (Germany)
> "Hi there!!!"

Ohhhh look I see my name!!!! Hiya!!!!! *Lady Hev or some other variation
runs up to the Lady Astreia and gives her a huge hug!*  "Long time no see!!"




Herald Katherine wrote:

> i think that firesong one of misty's best characters, personality-wise.
> firesong's personality is sort of an "in your face" but charming one. i
> really connect to those "big" personalities. (can anybody say ELSPETH?)
> firesong is a level-headed thinker and he deserves the respect he has
> gained
> BUT.......
> anybody else notice that about halfway through Storm Rising he starts to
> get REALLY  annoying???  especially about that whole immortality thing.
> of all people to consider trying something like that, eh?

Oh yes I definately found him annoying!!!!!!  He got on my nerves soooooo
much!!!  I guess that sort of shows that he is one of the better characters
Misty has created... not that many characters of books get me so angry (not
even Elspeth)!

I can't think of anything else to say.....
Don't have any ObMistys of my own today... wasn't much of a delurk was it?!
Oh well
Cute little souvenir shop soft toy sheep to all
Heather


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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 06:40:28 -0600
From: "Kero"<kerowyn-+AT+-dangerous-minds.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: "Sayvil"...
Message-ID: <199903191236.MAA09605-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>


Heylos pplz..
  Did anyone else notice, that in the end of By the Sword, 
when Kero was Chosen, The companion's name was SayvEl? In 
WoFate, it changed to Sayvil... Just a thought to ponder.;) 

                     Kero
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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:20:42 EST
From: Rachesqka-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Talia/Elspeth/MZB&Velgarth
Message-ID: <e7bacee7.36f26b4a-+AT+-aol.com>

A big HEYLA! to all my dearest listsibs,
I just figured that I would tell you all my opinion of the Elspeth & Talia
thing. I love them both, especially Elspeth. To me she ranks up there with
Kero, Savil, Need, and Lissa in my strong "women" catagorie. Her entire life
she had been coddled as the Heir, and she never even got let out on circiut.
So finally she gets let out, and is given a chance to do what the other
Heralds do, and she's not going to let Skif or anyone else get in her way, or
make up her mind for her. I totally understand her attitude. As for how she
treated Skif, I've been in that situation before, where a male friend (whom I
had no feelings for except friendship) decided he was in love with me, and let
me tell you, it was damned annoying. He was acting silly and childish, and it
was very hard for me to let him down gently because by that time I was so
thouroughly annoyed with him. So I can identify with Elspeth's behavior
towards him at that point.
On to Talia... I did love Talia. She's a sweet-heart, but that doesn't mean
that I agree with everything she did. I don't agree with her sleeping with
Kris simply because of my belief system. I believe that not only should you be
in love with the person, but I'm one of the few people left on Earth who
believe it should wait until after the marriage.(Starshadow stops with a
confused look on her face to apparently talk to herself, "Rachel, what are you
doing here? this is the list, not the real world. On-list we're Tayledras not
Catholic." "I know, but as long as we dwell within the same body I'm going to
keep throwing in my 2 cents." "Ok, it's just that what we just said sounded
rather strange coming from someone with a Tayledras use-name." "I know."
Starshadow looks back up at her listsibs somewhat sheepishly. Anyway...) I
also respect the "there is no one true way rule" and keep in mind that the
cultures in Velgarth are not my own, and who am I to judge? 
Starshadow grins disarmingly at the strange looks she's getting from her
listsibs.
"You can't flame me," she says, "Because my name in the real world means
'female sheep;, and you wouldn't want to flame a sheep."
I'm proud of myself, I got my mother to start reading LHM!!!!!(<---5) She read
most of my Terry Brooks books, and liked them, so when she told me that she
ran out of reading material, and asked if I had anything good (puh! what a
question!) I proudly handed her LHM series. she has no homophobia that I know
of, and what little of it she has I think this will help to dissipate it.
I've just started reading Oathbound, and in the intro it says that MZ Bradley
has some writing done on Tarma and Keth, and that Misty's is what happens
after. I was wondering just how much MZB has written on Velgarth, and if so,
how many of you have read it? Is it good? (Starshadow smacks herself on the
side of the head, "Is it good?! What a question! You love MZB's work, of
course it will be good!" :No hurt self!: says Trin angrily. "ok, ok, I won't
hurt myself ,dearling")

Lemon merangue sheep to all!

~Starshadow and Trin

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--Popular Mechanics, 1949

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 08:27:54 -0800
From: david h tiffany <davidt-+AT+-cet.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Talia/Elspeth/MZB&Velgarth 
Message-ID: <199903191627.IAA00281-+AT+-davidt>

Starshadow asked;

> I've just started reading Oathbound, and in the intro it says that MZ Bradley
> has some writing done on Tarma and Keth, and that Misty's is what happens
> after. I was wondering just how much MZB has written on Velgarth,

I believe that if you reread that intro you'll find that it is 
talking about the Tarma & Kethry  bits in the "Sword & Sorceress"  
anthologies  *edited* by MZB. They were *written* by Misty.

As far as I know, MZB has never written anything set in one of 
Misty's worlds.

David H Tiffany, G.O.P. oft tipples


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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 08:46:01 PST
From: Sharry Adams <sharry_lynn-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Names/Mistakes
Message-ID: <19990319164605.19349.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com>

Sorana S. Stargem wrote:
> I found one of Misty's names in another author's book! In Mickey      
>Zucker Reichert's "The Last of the Renshai" there was an archer named 
>Ancar. He was a good guy, but he didn't live very long.
---------
  Did you like him?  I think it would be very hard to like another 
character named Ancar (or any other villian) even if it was in a book by 
a different author in a totally different setting.  I guess it's just 
that once you get to know a character as "evil," the name picks up those 
connotations.  Maybe it's just me!  :)

Kero worte:
  Did anyone else notice, that in the end of By the Sword, 
when Kero was Chosen, The companion's name was SayvEl? In 
WoFate, it changed to Sayvil... Just a thought to ponder.;) 
----------------
  I hadn't noticed that.  I just went back & read that part when Kero is 
chosen.  I guess that was an "oopsie."  I wonder, if someone would 
compile a list of all the discrepancies (sp?) in Misty's books, and send 
it to her (or her publisher or something), if anything would get done 
about it.  I mean, I wonder how many of the mistakes could be explained 
away, and I wonder if she would fix those that couldn't be explained & 
re-print the books.  I guess that would be a lot of trouble, though.  I 
do wish authors would proof their books better, though.  Don't you just 
hate it when you're reading, & you come across blantant typos?

Wind to thy wings,
Lovesinger

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:19:24 -0600
From: "Kero"<kerowyn-+AT+-dangerous-minds.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: RE: Re: Kyree names
Message-ID: <199903191715.RAA22873-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>


                       -+AT+-----}-----
>              A rose for my fellow list-sibs
>
>"There is no such thing as a coincidence, only mortals who 
have not 
>fought the winds of fate."
>-Rris, quoting his "famous cousin Warrl"
>
>Hey, that's another thing, have you guys ever noticed that 
MOST of the kryee have double letters in their names??
>-REVISED FOR KERO 
>
*chuckles* thanx, but actually, I was wrong. I looked it up 
later that day when i got home.. and all the kyree names i 
came across had double letters. Interesting...
                   Kero

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desire.~
     
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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:11:47 PST
From: "Kristy Lyseng" <moonshade_noema-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Talia, Elspeth, and anything else
Message-ID: <19990319181200.10108.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com>

Heyla, listsibs!

    I really don't know what the big deal is about Talia and Kris. Yes, 
they did sleep together, but they weren't sure if Talia was lifebonded 
to Dirk. In fact (it's been a LONG while since I've read the Herald 
trilogy, so bear with me here) I think they didn't even know. Or else 
they didn't suspect it. <shrug> And about Elspeth, she happens to be one 
of my favourite characters, so anybody who loves her as much as I do, I 
applaud your efforts. Remember, Elspeth hasn't had the greates history. 
She can have her little quirks of character, she isn't perfect, you 
know. <shrugs again> But I have to say that my altime favourite is 
definetly Skan and Zhaneel. They're the best. In fact, all gryphons are 
the best. I like 'em better than the Tayledras, Heralds, Shin'a'in 
(maybe), and every weird thing ever introduced in Misty's Velgarth. 
Well, that's my .02 of Canadian money for that.
    Speaking about Canada, I think it's spring. The snows been melting 
and making a real mess on the streets, but how long can this last? 
<Kristy glances doubtfully at her snowshoes. "Don't think I can hand 
these out. Aha!" She distributes chocolate, egg-shaped sheep to 
everybody on the list. "Here's an early Easter present, everybody! She 
spies Yvonne and gives her a hug. "Glad you're back.">
Love, Light and Laughter,
    Kristy
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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 12:21:51 PST
From: "charlotte distefano" <char_char3-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Talia, Elspeth, and countries
Message-ID: <19990319202151.5811.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com>

Hey all,
   I like both Talia and Elspeth, but that's just my opinion.  I like 
Talia better that Elspeth, probably because I can identify more with 
her.  I don't think that she knew about the lifebonded thing when she 
slept with Kris, but I could be wrong.  It's been a while since I read 
Arrows Flight.  As far as Elspeth, yeah, she can be a bitch, but can't 
we all?  I'm thinking of a certain time of the month for us 
women-folk...
  Oh, I had a question.  How many of you guys live in the U.S.?  I've 
heard people say they are from Canada, and frm the U.K. and Germany, 
but no one from the U.S.  Anyway, I was just wondering.  Well, I'm off 
to go play the piano *gently shoves sheep off the piano bench, and 
takes her sheet music out of a fuzzy mouth*
Classical sheep to all!
                          
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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:14:48 -0800 (PST)
From: Miranda Warren <mrainsong-+AT+-yahoo.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Talia
Message-ID: <19990319221448.17576.rocketmail-+AT+-send201.yahoomail.com>

OK, I felt it was time for me to add my entire $5 (alot of money...I
need it to delurk :) ) on the Talia Kris issue.  I just got done
reading those books for the 8th time.  She didn't know to begin
with....but she found out later.  The only reason Dirk had been hurt
by it was that he thought Talia would be in love with Kris, like all
the other women had done.  Dirk never realized it was a lifebond until
after Ancar started doing all those horrible things with her.  I
figure that what Talia and Kris did was excuseable...I mean. It was
freezing!!!  I'm a christian, but if it meant me either A) sleeping
with someone to keep warm, or B) dying...I think I would pick A.  At
that time she wasn't sure if she loved Dirk or not...(pages 182-183) 
I hope this clears everything up for everyone.  

And I can't help but use the fact that I have delurked to shamelessly
promote my web site, so please go visit!!
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Hollow/4736/index.html

::hands out chocolate fudge with caramel filling to everyone:: 

Love ya list sibs!

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 08:45:53 -0600
From: Julia Gray <jgray-+AT+-oakton.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: math-defying ages
Message-ID: <36F26321.B2E98BA-+AT+-oakton.edu>




> Daine wrote:
> >I remember that!!! In WoChange (no textev, but I know it's there
> >somewhere), Wintermoon was telling Skif that he was Darkwind's age,
> >which means he was even four or five years OLDER than Elspeth, making
> >him around 30-31, and I just don't get how Lytha and Jerven can only
> >be 6 or 7 if he was 14 when the gryphons last went on a mting flight.
> >There are a bunch of age discrepancies in the Winds books I've found.
> >Oh well- don't know how to explain them unless the gestation period >of
> gryphons is a very, very long time....
>
> I think it's a Misty-ake. that is an amusing suggestion, though I would
> feel exceedingly sorry for gryphon mothers!
>

Well, what is the gestation period?  Was the flight succesful in Winds?
Were the gryphlets born by the end of Storms - which ends, what, about 2
years later? (time line needed here)....  I don't remember if it talks about
gestation period in any of the Gryphon books.  Aren't gryphons born live
(because even though they fly they are mammals?)  Isn't it a general rule of
thumb that the larger the mammal the longer the gestation period - and if
elephants have something like a 2-year gestation period, it's not
inconcievable that gryphons have one as long or longer...

wandering thoughts when I should be working....

Julia


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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 16:27:17 PST
From: "Li'nia Stormdancer" <lstormdancer-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Talia & Elspeth
Message-ID: <19990320002719.21142.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com>

*Li'nia walks out from the shadows, and throws a sheepish look in 
everyone's direction.  She seems to be hiding her hands; once one gets a 
look at them, they seem to be a funny shade of red.....*

Heyla List-Sibs!

Sorry I've not added my two cents for a little while (like you missed 
THAT!), but I've been moving, and am currently in the Cranberry Capital 
of New England, Cape Cod Massachusetts.  Hence the red hands.....

On the whole liking/disliking of Talia and Elspeth...Hmmm.  I originally 
hated Elspeth, even when she turned out all right.  Something about her 
always rubbed me wrong.  I'm still not a huge fan.  I never could relate 
to her.  To me it seemed as though everything she did turned out all 
right.  I know she had hardships, but she never seemed to TRULLY suffer.  
Talia's personality sort of mirrored my own at the time, and looking 
back, yeah, she did seem to sometimes be a softie and not think, but 
nobody's perfect.  She also suffered and lost irreplaceable things.  
During the course of the books, she was tortured, almost died a few 
times, and had to Feel loved ones deaths and agonies.   Elspeth always 
came out smelling like roses, while Talia came out smelling 
like....well....you know.  :-)  Oh, and on a completely different note, 
Thank You to whoever keeps mentioning the "Slayers" series.  I bought 
one, got hooked, and am trying to buy the rest.....

*Li'nia waves a red-tinged hand in Charlotte's direction, and volunteers 
the information that, yes, she's from the US!*

Cranberry-flavored sheep to all!!

Li'nia Stormdancer,                              |"I'm a-thinkin'.
Stormdance k'T'more and Kuus,          | And my head hurts."
Peon to the Powers That Be,              |    --Yosemite Sam
Devotee to the OoUH (Champion of FX),  |
(Hopeful) Goddess of the Caffeine-High |  

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