MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1920 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Various stuff (and almost no fluff) by "LISS T." 2) Tylendel/Stefen by "Caity McAllister" 3) Re: Stef & 'Lendol thing by Jessica Boyette 4) Re: Stef & 'Lendol thing by AMANDA AAAAA 5) Leareth/Ma'ar by Khisanth Tsaroth 6) Question by "Mindy the Ghostbuster" 7) RE: Question by Lisa Whitman 8) Re: Sheep! and Skif by "Shioru Sutherlands" 9) Re: Herald Daren by "tamlin" 10) Re: Tylendel/Stefen by Kenneth Allen Hyde 11) Re: Herald Daren by "Tanya Evans" 12) Re: Herald Daren by Laurel Redd 13) Re: Leareth/Ma'ar by Rachesqka-+AT+-aol.com 14) Braid: Ma'ar/Leareth and Removing Gifts by "Li'nia Stormdancer" 15) Re: Tylendel/Stefen by "Shioru Sutherlands" 16) RE: Question by "Alia Rose" 17) Re: Leareth/Ma'ar by Menace 18) Re: [Re: Tylendel/Stefen] by Aeon Judgement 19) Urtho's Relations.... by "Li'nia Stormdancer" 20) Re: [Re: Leareth/Ma'ar] by "LISS T." 21) I'd title this 'Briad', but that's not too origonal, is it? by Yvonne 22) Re: Leareth/Ma'ar by "charlotte distefano" 23) Re: Tylendel/Stefen by "Caity McAllister" 24) Re: Urtho's Relations.... by Julia Gray ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 30 Mar 99 14:50:55 MST From: "LISS T." To: Mercedes Lackey Mailing List Subject: Various stuff (and almost no fluff) Message-ID: <19990330215056.17381.qmail-+AT+-www0q.netaddress.usa.net> Heyla! I guess the newbie is going to weigh with her two cents on some of these discussions. Forgive me if I don't remember who to attribute anything to, I'm not good with names. Jenn(?) - Stefan is Tylendel reincarnated. He came back to try and make right what he didn't finish before. See Sayvil's conversation with the Tayledras mages when they come to help heal Vanyel at his father's home. Re: Daren - In By the Sword, Daren very definitely has the earth sense. As someone else said, he has earth priestess blood in his background and it plays a big part in the story. Re: Gifts and Choosing - I think that there's quite a few statements about how a Herald doesn't have to be strongly or even actively gifted in the books, esp. LMH and AoQ. My impression is that they only have to have the potential. The Herald-Companion bond will bring out the rest. It also strengthens minor gifts. The most important thing is the Herald mindsent. :Liss gets off of her soapbox: Wind to thy wings! ;) Liss BTW - I'm slowly creating my web page and eventually it will have Misty info. and links. Anyone who's interested, PLEASE visit my page and comment. It's in a state of never ending update :sigh: ********************************************** half_asleep-+AT+-usa.net http://members.tripod.com/half_asleep ********************************************** ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 14:08:59 PST From: "Caity McAllister" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Tylendel/Stefen Message-ID: <19990330220859.55192.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> > I saw in one of the = >e-mails that someone (I'm horrible at remembering who said what, I'm = >just lucky I remember my head when I leave the house) mentioned that = >Stefen was Tylendel, and I just don't see the connection. (I = >confess...I just didn't read the Vanyel series til I could quote the = >dialogue, like I did with BtS, and the others). To me, Tylendel was = >wild, in-your-face and Stefen was very gentle and calm. Could someone = >help me out..... Tylendel and Stefen are one and the same. They aren't the same person but they share a soul. I believe that is says it very clearly in "Magic's Price" Although I am at school right now and my books are at home so I can't share an exact page or quote with you. If you re-read the series and pay close attention to the characters, aside from their looks, they are very much alike. ~*Starsong*~ (my new list name if it is already in use please e-mail me privately and I will gladly change it) Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 16:49:52 -0500 From: Jessica Boyette To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Stef & 'Lendol thing Message-ID: <37014700.721D6B12-+AT+-worldnet.att.net> As to Stef and 'Lendel, you also have to take into account that one thing which makes life-bonds unique is that the personalities of the people involved are often quite different. The important thing is that they complement each other; when they met Van needed someone like 'Lendel, a rock he could cling to but also someone who could draw him out of his shell. In Stef, Van found someone who could show him how to live and love again. He needed different things at different points in his life. By they way, I'm Earthsong. I've been reading along for about 2 weeks and decided it was time to add my two cents. I love Misty. That's why I'm here. Bright Blessings! Earthsong ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 14:24:54 -0800 (PST) From: AMANDA AAAAA To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Stef & 'Lendol thing Message-ID: <19990330222454.21065.rocketmail-+AT+-web106.yahoomail.com> Sorry folks I'm totally a newbie and just started and well I love Ms. Lackey's works and dear little sweet Stef is the reincarnate of "Lendol, Stef did do some suduction if you think about it. --- Tanya Evans wrote: > Well you have to figure in differences in upbringing > and such. Tylendol was > born and raised in a different generation then Stefan > was, and under > completely different circumstances. It's the first 4 > -7 years (give or take > a few) that the base personality is formed and events > after that help > develop what it will be in adulthood. For Stef and > Tylendol to have even > similar personalities, they would have to have been > raised under similar > circumstances, which didn't happen. Tylendol was > raised with a secure > position, his father a land holder and supportive > family, even if at times > it was just his twin, while Stefan lived his life on > the harsh city streets, > with no one to depend on but himself and where the > slightest slip could land > him in dire straights.... Gee, have I rambled on...I > think I have gotten the > point across, so I'll hush now and let ya get back to > your life. => > > >Anyway, what's up with the Stefan-Tylendel thing? > Stefan seemed quiet = > >and calm, compared to Tylendel. Did I miss > something?=20 > > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free -+AT+-yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 16:09:04 -0800 (PST) From: Khisanth Tsaroth To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Leareth/Ma'ar Message-ID: <19990331000904.10653.rocketmail-+AT+-web709.mail.yahoo.com> Heyla! I'm new...please don't throw water at me!! I don't know if this has been brought up before, so I'm sorryif it has. I was re-reading Storm Rising the other night and when An'desha is talking about going further back in Falconsbane's memories it says, "He was already past the life of a strange creature that had called himself simply 'Leareth'(which meant 'Darkness' in the Hawkbrother tongue), a time that appeared to be several centuries ago." Ma'ar was Leareth!?! I suppose that's possible...what do you guys think? -Khisanth- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free -+AT+-yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 19:02:26 PST From: "Mindy the Ghostbuster" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Question Message-ID: <19990331030226.86631.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Okay, everybody, I have a question. In one of the Owl books ( I think it was the second one ) Firesong offers to remove Darian's gift. So if Firesong is capable of doing that, why didn't he remove An'desha's, who obviously didn't want to be a mage? And for that matter, why didn't Starwind and Moondance remove Vanyel's? Granted, it wouldn't have been much of a story, but it probably would've made more sense. And, though this has nothing to do with Misty's books, how many people on this list are also Star Trek fans? (I myself was a Star Trek fan long before I knew who Mercedes Lackey was! ). Live Long and Prosper Everybody ( or, if you prefer, Wind to Thy Wings) -Mindy The Ghostbuster "May the Great Bird of the Galaxy come to roost on your planet." - Hikaru Sulu ( It's not a Tayledras saying, but it sounds like it could be! ) Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 20:50:56 -0800 From: Lisa Whitman To: "'mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk'" Subject: RE: Question Message-ID: >In one of the Owl books ( I think it was the second one ) Firesong offers to remove Darian's gift. So if Firesong is capable of doing that, why didn't he >remove An'desha's, who obviously didn't want to be a mage? And for that matter, why didn't Starwind and Moondance remove Vanyel's? Granted, it >wouldn't have been much of a story, but it probably would've made more sense. I'm of two thoughts here. 1) The reason that An'desha's gift was not removed was because he was destined to be such a big part of the outcome of the storm and Firesong wouldn't tell him. Same with Vanyel. Or 2) it may have been a test of sorts for the type of character that Darian had become. It was a way to force him to come to terms with what he had when there was a potential that he would no longer have it. Star ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 21:02:55 PST From: "Shioru Sutherlands" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Sheep! and Skif Message-ID: <19990331050256.166.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> >Are you sure about that page number? I looked it up and all I read was about >Tremane and stuff that was happening with him. Uh ... I think you're reading the wrong _trilogy_. Tremane doesn't show up until the Mage _Storm_ Trilogy. I said the Mage Winds and I meant the Mage Winds. (y'know, the one where the main love plot is around Darkwind and Elspeth?) >>Winds of Fury, the 3rd book in the Mage Winds. (PB edition, p 120 >>lookitup) > >'Lyndol's twin was Staven...and wasn't Van's nephew Mekeal? Thanks for the names! >Bringing up the re-incarnation thing, I wonder who Sayvil could have been >re-incarnated as. Herald-Mage Savil. Vanyel's aunt. Note that she still has a fear of heights. See Btw, where she tells Kero that "feet belong on the ground". Shioru Sutherlands ^o^ - la! Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:18:43 -0800 From: "tamlin" To: Subject: Re: Herald Daren Message-ID: <01be7bee$59a87e00$48d937d2-+AT+-tamlin.sinesurf.co.nz> Heyla listsibs, Yes Leareth was the one called Maar, as was Falconsbane; notice how he was bad and he seemed to keep turning up at all low the places in tne books. Also, Prince Darian did have a gift - earthsense, and I seem to remember that it is the bond with the Companion that brings out the gifts, as with Vanyel and Talia; I think only very strong people show their gifts early, but remember Vanyel had his gifts 'blown open'. Question: someone asked if gifts can be taken away?. I haven't read the second Owl book but I would have thought that couldn't be done. What does everyone else think?. Wind to thy Wings, tamlin (Herald-trainee Cailet) "How do you know the Chosen Ones?. No greater love hath a man than he lay down his life for his brother. Not for millions, not for glory, not for fame, but for one person, in the dark, where no one will ever know or see." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 08:52:36 -0500 (EST) From: Kenneth Allen Hyde To: Misty Lackey List Subject: Re: Tylendel/Stefen Message-ID: On Wed, 31 Mar 1999, Caity McAllister wrote: > Tylendel and Stefen are one and the same. They aren't the same person > but they share a soul. I believe that is says it very clearly in > "Magic's Price" Actually, what it says very clearly in MPrice is that they are not the same person, and they are not "one and the same." This is why Starwind and Sayvil decide not to tell Van about their suspicions: because Stefen is not Tylendel, and they don't want Van to make the mistake of reacting to him as if he were. One thing that many people seem to forget is that the whole point of reincarnation (in the classical hindu sense) is that the person in one life is *not* the person in the next life. It is a chance for the soul to live life again and do a better (or at least different) job of things. And I get the feeling that except for the special case of the herald-to- Companion reincartions, Misty is using reincarnation in this classical sense. Stefen is not Tylendel. Stefen is Stefen, and he just happens to have a soul which used to be Tylendel's soul in another life. If we try to put any other interpretation on it, we are doing exactly what Starwind and Sayvil worried about: saddling Stefen with Tylendel's baggage, rather than acknowledging him as a complete and unique person in his own right. BTW, in case you can't tell, I'm a Stefen fan. I thought he was the best gay male character that Misty ever wrote, and one of the most engaging and lovable characters in her entire oeuvre. And I, for one, refuse to let him be reduced to a mere palimpsest of Tylendel. So there! =P Wanna make sumpin' of it? *giggle* May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd Councilor of Mist Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me //www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/prof/ken.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:31:27 -0500 From: "Tanya Evans" To: Subject: Re: Herald Daren Message-ID: <000f01be7b83$29b03aa0$23040618-+AT+-cb809508-a.baycty1.mi.home.com> Yes gifts can be taken away. In one of the LHM books (I think it was the 2nd one) Van tells his nephew Medren (I think I called him Mekeal in an earlier post, where was my brain on that one...;>) just that, after he found out that Medren had manipulated him into helping him by using his Bardic Gift. >Question: someone asked if gifts can be taken away?. I haven't read the >second Owl book but I would have thought that couldn't be done. What does >everyone else think?. > >Wind to thy Wings, > >tamlin (Herald-trainee Cailet) > >"How do you know the Chosen Ones?. No greater love hath a man than he lay >down his life for his brother. Not for millions, not for glory, not for >fame, but for one person, in the dark, where no one will ever know or see." > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 08:07:02 -0700 From: Laurel Redd To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Herald Daren Message-ID: <37023A16.8035494A-+AT+-du.edu> tamlin wrote: Question: someone asked if gifts can be taken away?. I think they can be.... It happens with Keechara in the Silver Gryphon and Vanyel is threatened by the Hawkbrothers with that in the first book of LHM series and he turns around and threatens Medren with that consequence in the second one of the series. BB, Morgan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 11:05:56 EST From: Rachesqka-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Leareth/Ma'ar Message-ID: Howdy all! Khisanth wrote: *Grins sadistically* Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it. There are worse things to be dowsed with than just water. But that's not my job, so here you go, *hands Khisanth a sheep-shaped tray full of various different flavored sheep-shaped cookies, brownies and petit-fours* Jest a 'lil welcome for ya! ::Welcome! Welcome!:: Haha, I think Trin likes ya! Oh and you might need this, *Tosses a towel covered in little multi-colored embroidered sheep to Khisanth, and winks with more than just a trace of mischeviousness* ***end of fluffiness*** < I don't know if this has been brought up before, so I'm sorryif it has. I was re-reading Storm Rising the other night and when An'desha is talking about going further back in Falconsbane's memories it says, "He was already past the life of a strange creature that had called himself simply 'Leareth'(which meant 'Darkness' in the Hawkbrother tongue), a time that appeared to be several centuries ago." Ma'ar was Leareth!?! I suppose that's possible...what do you guys think?> Oh, yes, yes, quite possible. Have you read The Winds books yet? Since you're rereading Storm Rising I'll assume you have. I don't have them with me at school, but IIRC it was all explained quite nicely. Ma'ar kept taking over the bodies of the untrained mage talented of his bloodline. all the requirments were that they have some of the blood of the original Ma'ar in them and attempt to do a fire starting spell. It was when they did this that he would take over the body of them. With every reincarnation he became less and less of the original Ma'ar, and more and more mad and irrational (if you can imagine that). He became Leareth and Falconsbane and several others that Misty didn't write stories about. So yep, that bastard jest keeps on popping up everywhere don't he? Anywho... Jest outta curiousity how many other people out there have Starshadow in their use-name besides me? 'Cause I's considerin' changin' it if there're alot of others. Din expect there to be, but there seem to be. *sigh* I jest want one that no one else has, maybe something Shin'a'in. But I wanna keep it Misty-esque, 'cause this is the Misty ML. Oh well, Star-eyed sheep angels to watch over all my list-sibs. Zhai'helleva Starshadow and Trin of the Clan K'Connecticut (UConn won the NCAA tournament!!! YAY!! *Dances around the room with a bunch of huskies*) "It's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt." ~Mark Twain ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 08:19:08 PST From: "Li'nia Stormdancer" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Braid: Ma'ar/Leareth and Removing Gifts Message-ID: <19990331161913.43257.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Heyla List-Sibs! *Li'nia creeps up on an unsuspecting Earthsong and Krisanth and throw her trademark Death-By-Chocolate sheep in both of their laps as her welcome gift to the newbies. The now ever-present Styx wraps himself around them in his way of greeting them, as only a cat can do* First, Earthsong asked something about Ma'ar being Leareth (sorry, I accidentally deleted the message!). Yes, he had been in one of his "former lives". Remember, Andesha was the first in the line to not be completely replaced by Ma'ar. Everyone else was pretty much deleted when Ma'ar's spirit took over his decendants body. Leareth was just another name for Ma'ar in a different time and body (same with Falconsbane, except he did have that unexpected guest). Shoot! I can't remember who I got this next part from.... Sorry! >>Okay, everybody, I have a question. In one of the Owl books ( I think it was the second one ) Firesong offers to remove Darian's gift. So if Firesong is capable of doing that, why didn't he remove An'desha's, who obviously didn't want to be a mage? And for that matter, why didn't Starwind and Moondance remove Vanyel's? Granted, it wouldn't have been much of a story, but it probably would've made more sense.<< I really don't think there may be a correct answer to this one. It may be a Misty-ism??? Vanyel's had been blasted open so forcefully it may not have been possible to close his down or block it or remove it. Plus, he now had a Companion, which Darian didn't have. That may be one of the complications. >>And, though this has nothing to do with Misty's books, how many people on this list are also Star Trek fans? (I myself was a Star Trek fan long before I knew who Mercedes Lackey was! ).<< *Li'nia waves a hand in the air. "I love Star Trek; I can't really pinpoint when I became a Star Trek fan, but I DO think it was pre-discovery of Misty for me."* Li'nia Stormdancer, |"I'm a-thinkin'. Stormdance k'T'more and Kuus, | And my head hurts." Peon to the Powers That Be, | --Yosemite Sam Devotee to the OoUH (Champion of FX), | (Hopeful) Goddess of the Caffeine-High | Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 08:35:21 PST From: "Shioru Sutherlands" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tylendel/Stefen Message-ID: <19990331163528.19008.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> >Actually, what it says very clearly in MPrice is that they are not the >same person, and they are not "one and the same." This is why Starwind >and Sayvil decide not to tell Van about their suspicions: because Stefen >is not Tylendel, and they don't want Van to make the mistake of reacting >to him as if he were. *nodnodnodnodnodnodnod* Oh yeah. That's what I've been trying to say in one of my (semi-) original short stories I was working on, but I didn't have the words!! You put it so concisely!!! (can I steal your words?) *titters in the bkgnd* Shut up, alter-egos! You're only chara I make up! I am the one who rules and you don't get a say in your fa- *SQUELCHED* sdangelShi: .... Sometimes the different ppl in my head don't like me very much ... >One thing that many people seem to forget is that the whole point of >reincarnation (in the classical hindu sense) is that the person in one >life is *not* the person in the next life. It is a chance for the soul to >live life again and do a better (or at least different) job of things. >And I get the feeling that except for the special case of the herald-to- >Companion reincartions, Misty is using reincarnation in this classical >sense. Stefen is not Tylendel. Stefen is Stefen, and he just happens to >have a soul which used to be Tylendel's soul in another life. If we try >to put any other interpretation on it, we are doing exactly what Starwind >and Sayvil worried about: saddling Stefen with Tylendel's baggage, rather >than acknowledging him as a complete and unique person in his own right. Oh yes. I agree totally. Of course, if some ppl finds out they might not be inclined to think that way. Writers - any writer, male female, Misty-sama incl . I've noticed we've a tendency to make characters' lives complicated. "May your life be interesting." -- Shin'a'in proverb And often involve torture and tragedy and dark pasts (sometimes darker futures, but I digress). Still, without them, chara would be shallow and not so much depth ... Maybe we're all a little sadistic in nature - we like seeing the poor chara suffer. Maybe it's human nature to want to see perfection (so to speak) blemished, yet all the more strong for that. Urk. I'm waxing philosophies here ... don't mind me ... I'm just babbling, i guess. Just trying to see if anyone felt the same. aren't we all? (I mean, that _IS_ why we're all on this ML, right, listsibs?) >BTW, in case you can't tell, I'm a Stefen fan. I thought he was the best >gay male character that Misty ever wrote, and one of the most engaging and >lovable characters in her entire oeuvre. And I, for one, refuse to let >him be reduced to a mere palimpsest of Tylendel. So there! =P Wanna make >sumpin' of it? *giggle* Personally, my favorite male character in any Misty-book is Van. Probably because of space - he gets more 'airtime' than anyone else. Even Stef, or Firesong. I'd love to see a book written about Stef's years w/out Van from his POV, or from say, Firesong's POV when he got the msg to help K'Sheyna. There just doesn't seem to be enough books and wordspace to cover all of Velgath. (Tho misty-sama certainly tries!) More of Baron Melles and/or the folk in Iftel, anyone? The Black Kings? >May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, > >Cennydd >Councilor of Mist Thanx Councilor Cennydd-sama! Shioru Sutherlands Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:15:13 PST From: "Alia Rose" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: RE: Question Message-ID: <19990331171514.63422.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> In one of the Owl books ( I think it was the second one ) >Firesong offers to remove Darian's gift. So if Firesong is capable of doing >that, why didn't he >remove An'desha's, who obviously didn't want to be a >mage? And for that matter, why didn't Starwind and Moondance remove >Vanyel's? Granted, it >wouldn't have been much of a story, but it probably >would've made more sense. hmm..i have a theory about this. An'desha had already been using his mage abilities(as falconsbane), and vanyel's had been BLASTED open, i dont think that could have been blocked again. but darian's was still very much POTENTIAL, not ablilty yet, so its possible his channels could have been blocked without harming him.someone else said it could have been a test, and i think thats also possible, but i like my idea better. :) ************************************* Alianora Rose Friend of Greenfire ICQ # 1372207 ************************************* Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup. -Jade Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 05:31:07 -0800 From: Menace To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Leareth/Ma'ar Message-ID: <3704C69A.8EFCC304-+AT+-tkcbe.com> Of course Laereth was Ma'ar. It was yet another incarnation of Ma'ar. Ma'ar existed, in some form or another since the time of the Cataclysm. Laereth was simply one of Ma'ar's relatives he possessed. What *I* wonder is if Vanyel, Firesong, and Elspeth are somehow related to or decended from Urtho, the mage of Silence? What do you all think? FireDancer K'Visalia ------------------------------ Date: 31 Mar 99 12:34:33 EST From: Aeon Judgement To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: [Re: Tylendel/Stefen] Message-ID: <19990331173433.17407.qmail-+AT+-www0n.netaddress.usa.net> Cennydd Wrote Actually, what it says very clearly in MPrice is that they are not the same person, and they are not "one and the same." This is why Starwind and Sayvil decide not to tell Van about their suspicions: because Stefen is not Tylendel, and they don't want Van to make the mistake of reacting to him as if he were. BTW, in case you can't tell, I'm a Stefen fan. I thought he was the best gay male character that Misty ever wrote, and one of the most engaging and lovable characters in her entire Yep, i think it also said that if they had told Van that Stef WAS 'Lendel that is might have made van act differnt around him either trusting him more and listenming toeverything he said or not trusthing him at all. ANd I agee sooo much I LOVE Stef...he is far and beyond my farv character of all the books I think Misty did a wonderful job when she wrote him! Heehee Sory had to say it.. Aeon ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 10:37:57 PST From: "Li'nia Stormdancer" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Urtho's Relations.... Message-ID: <19990331183757.65993.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Heyla List-Sibs! *A slightly downcast Li'nia waves her hand to get everyone's attention, then clears her throat..."I have to apologize to Khisanth Tsaroth, because I think I butchered your name in my last posting...Sorry! Can you EVER forgive me?!? ;-)" A mental chuckle is heard from the shadows, and Li'nia throws a boot Styx's direction. :That's right, fuzzball, laugh it up...: (SW fan, can't you tell?)* FireDancer K'Visalia wrote: >>What *I* wonder is if Vanyel, Firesong, and Elspeth are somehow related to or decended from Urtho, the mage of Silence? What do you all think?<< Oooo...that's a hard one. Did Misty ever mention if Urtho had family or relatives? I got the impression that Urtho's creations were his family. IMHO, I think that would have been pushing coincidence a bit far. Li'nia Stormdancer, |"I'm a-thinkin'. Stormdance k'T'more and Kuus, | And my head hurts." Peon to the Powers That Be, | --Yosemite Sam Devotee to the OoUH (Champion of FX), | (Hopeful) Goddess of the Caffeine-High | Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: 31 Mar 99 11:50:29 MST From: "LISS T." To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: [Re: Leareth/Ma'ar] Message-ID: <19990331185030.17434.qmail-+AT+-nw178.netaddress.usa.net> >Menace wrote: >What *I* wonder is if Vanyel, Firesong, and Elspeth are somehow related >to or decended from Urtho, the mage of Silence? What do you all think? Now this is an interesting idea and I've wondered about it before. Firesong and Elspeth are already descended from Van... As far as I know, Urtho never had descendants, though (at least none that Misty mentioned). It would definitely tie in with how everything is inter-related in her stories. Food for thought for sure. WTYW, Liss ********************************************** half_asleep-+AT+-usa.net http://members.tripod.com/half_asleep ********************************************** ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 12:40:06 -0800 From: Yvonne To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: I'd title this 'Briad', but that's not too origonal, is it? Message-ID: <37028826.FE0-+AT+-planet.eon.net> Heyla all! Not much new from the Wild North, but like Kristy said, spring has hit us with it's big wet fist up here!! On Use-Names: I'd imagine that the name would HAVE to be changed from what your parents gave you because you are often a very different person from what your parents see. On why I don't have a use-name, well, I've never found one that 'fits' and my real name does quite nicely for now, thank you. :) Shioru said: > Writers - any writer, male female, Misty-sama incl . I've noticed > we've a tendency to make characters' lives complicated. Without a complecation, we wouldn't have a story. Or, rather, we would have a story except it would be so painfully dull that we'd never be able to finish writing it. Shioru then asked: > Any Play-by-mail MLs that are like, say, sister MLs to this one? Just > wondering ... No RPGs based in any Misty world are allowed because of strict copyright laws, and if there are any in existence, they wouldn't, shouldn't be advertised here because it could potentially shut the List down. :( ~BUT~ (did you know that was comming?? HA! Betcha didn't) there are regular old RPGS out there, mainly (ok, here it comes ... the SHAMELESS PLUG!! BWA ha ha ha!) the Circle of Stone, at http://www.angelfire.com/ky/Ashke/CoS.html which is a new one that has spun off an idea here on the MLML, and MY PbEM, or at least a part of it, at http://homepages.infoseek.com/~the_evil_rutabega/Empire.html which has been around for about a year but has an extreamly SLOW acceptance rate because our Listmistress isn't on as often as we'd like. *sigh* Try, twice a year?? And if you want any others, e-mail me privatly and I can give you a few more addresses - I'm a PbEM junkie. ;P The rest is rather fluffy, so if you'd rather not read fluff, this would be a good place to stop. :) I'll even give ya an abbrv. sig!! Yvonne. (there!) ************************************************************************* You have Entered the Zone, where Normal Things don't happen very often. ************************************************************************* To all those who are reading Sharon Green's Blending series - my friend just found her fourth book, 'Betrayels', in the bookstore. (Smithbooks for all those who know that company) So for anyone else who jumped with excitement when they found the third one, here's the fourth!! Yaa! (No, I am not excited. Really.) Shioru Sutherland: *A thin, wispy swirl of steam suddenly appears, and out of that swirl form two hands, followed by a pair of hazel eyes and an Enchanted Bucket (tm)-* ~~~SPLOSH~~~ Welcome to the MLML, and nice to have you aboard. :) Any questions, just ask the Councillors, and I'd hand out the Newbiefest addy except I still haven't found my post-it note. ;P Khisanth wrote: > I'm new...please don't throw water at me!! *G* It's not a ~BAD~ thing, really, more of my (and Lady Brynn's) way of saying "Hello!" But since you are so against a little H20- *Yvonne procedes to produce a blue flower from the folds of her water-colored gown* Welcome anyways, and hope you enjoy writing with us. :) ~HUGS~ Welcome back Lady Brynn! :) And Kristy - Beware the Kippers!! (Just a message from the Evil Rutabega) Fare thee well!! Yvonne Goddess of Kelpies, Selkies and ther Water-Borne Carrier of the Enchanted Bucket (tm) Knight of Fluff and Lady of the OoUH Head of the Albertan CfWD Headquarters ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bigfoot, Nessie, Butch and Sundance, the unicorn ... they leave footprints and dreams, but never their bones. -Peter S. Beagle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 12:19:33 PST From: "charlotte distefano" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Leareth/Ma'ar Message-ID: <19990331201933.56346.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> FireDancer wrote Are Elspeth, Vanyel and Firesong somehow related.. Firesong, Elspeth and Vanyel are related. It says so in one of the winds book (the second one, I think). Vanyel is the great great great...(you get the idea) grandfather of both Elspeth and Firesong. There was a gay couple who wanted a child. Vanyal aggreed to fathe a child with one of them. That is who Firesong decended from. Also, Shrivi, the King's wn, and lifebond to the ling, wanted a child, so Vanyel also fathred that one. That's where Elspeth is from. Hope thatt answeres your question. Lightsong Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 13:17:56 PST From: "Caity McAllister" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tylendel/Stefen Message-ID: <19990331211756.41135.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> I have gotten a lot of response from what I said earlier and I have just one thing to say in my defense. What I meant was( and maybe this didn't come out clearly in how I said it) that they do share a soul. Stefen and Tylendel's souls are the same. To me I have always considered the person and the soul the same. Not so much the outer shell that comes with all of the life experiances and such but more the inner self A.K.A. the soul. Believe me I know more about the Hindu reincarnation statis then you might think Considering I have been raised on it. I am sorry If what I said offended any Stefen lovers out there I didn't say it to offend any of you. as a matter of fact I actually like Stefen a lot as character as well but I think that a big part of him includes Tylendel who is one of my alltime favorite characters. Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 13:27:17 -0600 From: Julia Gray To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Urtho's Relations.... Message-ID: <37027715.BCEEB2A2-+AT+-oakton.edu> I really hope that it doesn't turn out that either Van or Firesong or Elspeth are related to Urtho. For some reason the thought that this struggle is a cyclical type of thing repeated from the mage war time on really would be depressing - like nothing is ever new, it's only a repeat with slight variations.... > FireDancer K'Visalia wrote: > > >>What *I* wonder is if Vanyel, Firesong, and Elspeth are somehow > related to or decended from Urtho, the mage of Silence? What do you all > think?<< > ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1920 **********************************