MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1922

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) self-centered fluffiness, advice, and a few ObMistys to ponder
	by "Nelson Greenslade" <grenslde-+AT+-nbnet.nb.ca>
  2) Velgarth
	by "Tanya Evans" <tlevans-+AT+-home.com>
  3) hindsight
	by "Nelson Greenslade" <grenslde-+AT+-nbnet.nb.ca>
  4) Re: Velgarth
	by Becky Cary <recary-+AT+-phoenix.Princeton.EDU>
  5) Re: Di Tregarde/Spoilers
	by Jamie Jackobs <shadowcat19-+AT+-hotmail.com>
  6) Re: Velgarth
	by "Tanya Evans" <tlevans-+AT+-home.com>
  7) at last...
	by "Freedom Walker" <freedomwalker-+AT+-hotmail.com>
  8) at last...
	by "Freedom Walker" <freedomwalker-+AT+-hotmail.com>
  9) Re: at last...
	by AMANDA AAAAA <armadillolee-+AT+-yahoo.com>

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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 20:57:43 -0400
From: "Nelson Greenslade" <grenslde-+AT+-nbnet.nb.ca>
To: "Misty" <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: self-centered fluffiness, advice, and a few ObMistys to ponder
Message-ID: <03ac01be7ca4$7271e460$4493b3cf-+AT+-epzfbrwg>

Herald Katherine wrote:
<<we are all
guilty of sleeping with people we shouldn't have>>
   I appreciate that you are trying to pacify this arguement (which I am not
getting back into. *shakes head* No, sir! Having my bottom scorched once was
enough for me!), but I just wanted to remind you that some of are Listsibs
are as young as 13, maybe even 12, and there are other young teens, so some
people on this list are probably still virgins. In short, not all of us are
guilty of such a thing.

Herald Katherine later wrote (yes, I'm behind. midterms coming):
<<do you guys find that you never get
respect from other readers when you say you like science fiction and
fantasy? >>
   Hmmm... well, I figure that most people are probably too happy to see
kids my age actually reading something (and so many books, of such
impressive length! *LOL* I go all out when I book-shop) to comment on what
it is. Even if I were to buy that "500 Ways Star Trek Can Teach You To Lead
A Better Life" book in the New Age section, I doubt I'd get funny looks. It
seems to me that a lot of people around here read fantasy, or at least don't
think reading it is abnormal. I rarely get funny looks when I sit in the
aisle (don't worry, they're made esp. wide with the habits of nuts like me
in mind) to seriously peruse a bottom shelf. It's only when I walk with
books balanced on my head....
   But I must admit that, even if I were getting dirty looks from other
shoppers, I'm no longer self-conscious enough to care. If challenged about
the supposed trashiness of my selections, I have about 20 arguements filed
away in my brain which, while they will likely not change the person's mind
or attitude, will at least get him or her to leave ~me~ alone, and possibly
avoid mentioning it to someone else for a while. ^_~ This is, of course, my
goal.
   Try not to let it bother you, Katherine. You know what they're missing,
and at least you have the pleasure of reading what you enjoy.

Dawnfire (Gatecrasher) wrote:
<<I saw Villians of Neccesity at Chapters a while ago.>>
   Yatta!!! *jumping for joy* Wai! Wai!! I must go there this weekend!!
   Oh, wait. I need to save my money for my play costume. *sits on floor*
Dang. *sighs and feeds strawberries to Tarsi*

Ambermoon wrote:
<<If given any sort of
opening, I will go on at length about people's view of these books and
why they're wrong, and I'm always looking for converts.>>
   If given any sort of opening, I will go on at length about the main
character, subplots, book, series, author, other books, comics, mythological
tie-ins, ramifications on my world view, possible angles of looking at
things, hidden meanings, emotional impact,
etc. ^_^ What can I say, I like to talk. My best friend has become an expert
listener. People with whom I spend any significant amount of time (enough to
know their name, for instance) quickly learn that you don't ask what the
book I'm reading is about unless you ~really~ want to know.
   Okay, so I do occasionally remember to ask if someone minds hearing the
plot details before I launch into bookbabble-mode. =) I have a pal who does
the same thing (only more so, if possible), and I'd hate to be the person
sitting at our able when we start discussing something we've both read. >=)

Ambermoon wrote:
<<I've found some repeated images from the Velgarth books that are
quite powerful: for instance, the image of a person carrying a body -
Savil with Vanyel, Firesong with Tre'valen.>>
   *low whistle* You are observant. Now I'll have to read them all over
again to look for--
*Elsa is suddenly cut off as a small purple imp appears beside her and
whacks her on her noggin with a stick. "Espece d'idiot!" it says in a
scratchy voice, "Yo have a pile of books waiting, 2 projects to do, and
midterms to study for!" It poofs out again*
   Okay, I'll just look for that when I eventually get around to rereading
them... (Heero, are you getting your friends to bug me?)

Shioru Sutherlands wrote:
<<Everyone tells me AD&D is obsolete and White Wolf is the thing ... but I
don't have time to play much nowadays ...>>
   Wawk!!! AD&D is NOT obsolete!!!!!!!! (:Utter denial: Shut up, Heero!)
White Wolf is cool, but FASA's ShadowRun also rocks, rips, rolls, and
roars!!!
   AD&D is not obsolete. Otherwise Forgotten Realms, Planescape, Ravencroft,
and all those other AD&D settings' books would not be so popular, and my
fave comic stores wouldn't be so well-stocked with playing guides and stuff.

Khisanth asked:
<<Ma'ar was Leareth!?!>>
  Oh, yes, definately. Explains Van's prophetic dream and the vibes he got
from Leareth. Yep, that was definately one of the Mad Mage's incarnations
between Ma'ar and Mornelithe.

Mindy the Ghostbuster asked:
<<how many people
on this list are also Star Trek fans?>>
   Me!! Me!!!! I love Star Trek!!!!!!!!!!! *nod nod* Definately pre-Misty. I
can't remember a time when Star Trek in some form was a part of my life...
though I didn't truly love it till about Grade Three, at which point I read
my first ever Star Trek book, "Nightshade" by Laurell K. Hamilton. Loved it
loved it loved it!!!!!!!!!! (How did she know then what would happen between
Worf and Deanna?)

   Yayyy!!! You read this far!!! That means you get to decide whether or not
to read my lame-a$$ ObMisty or not!! "Good for me!" Huh? How'd Freakazoid!
get here??

ObMisty: WHAT IF...?
...Billy Batson (a.k.a. Captain Marvel) were to meet Vanyel or some other
Mistian spell-caster? His powers are magical, coming whenever he calls the
name of the wizard who gave them to him; "SHAZAM!" (Big lightning bolt
strikes and he transforms) It would be interesting. (For those not in the
know, Marvel has the wisdom of Solomon, the speed of Mercury, the strength
of Atlas and some other nifty powers. He appears as a large, well-muscled
adult, but Billy Batson is a 13 y.-o... and has been for 59 years ^_^;;; but
don't tell him. Captain Marvel is superficially like Superman, but he's the
kindest, most innocent of the DC metahumans, because he has the heart of a
child.)
...Kory was caught by the SPCA while in cat-form, taken to the pound, and
neutered? O_o
...you met Misty at the supermarket (unlikely as that is)? What would you
do?

   Okay, that's enough for now. *Elsa gets chased by a hungry midterm,
escaping when it is trampled by pooka-herded sheep. She climbs up a tree,
hangs upside down from at, and summons a flurry of air sprites. "Everyone's
throwing in their money... might as well put it to good use." She has the
sprites collect all the loose change lying around and put it all in a
container marked "Cops for Cancer".*

  Elsa
Knight of Fluff, One In Black, Member of the Order of Drifting Ashes, OoUH
Champion of Iceshadow, Moonbeam, Jonne, and Jaysen, and Summoner of
Monsters

"2B = ?"
- Shakespearean Graffiti

"We came...we saw...we kicked it's ass."
-Ghostbusters

     One of life's little mysteries is how you can gain 5 pounds from a 2
     pound box of chocolates.


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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 20:33:10 -0500
From: "Tanya Evans" <tlevans-+AT+-home.com>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Velgarth
Message-ID: <000401be7ca8$c4f827e0$23040618-+AT+-cb809508-a.baycty1.mi.home.com>

Forgive me if this seems like a stupid question but which are the Velgarth
books?  I'm way behind on my book purchasing and these books have come up
quite a bit recently.  Could someone tell me so I can rush out and buy them,
not only for my own reading enjoyment, but so I will know what is being
talked about.

>Ambermoon wrote:
><<I've found some repeated images from the Velgarth books that are
>quite powerful: for instance, the image of a person carrying a body -
>Savil with Vanyel, Firesong with Tre'valen.>>



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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 21:52:27 -0400
From: "Nelson Greenslade" <grenslde-+AT+-nbnet.nb.ca>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: hindsight
Message-ID: <045401be7cab$77464ba0$4493b3cf-+AT+-epzfbrwg>

<<But I must admit that, even if I were getting dirty looks from other
shoppers, I'm no longer self-conscious enough to care.>>
   Upon rereading this, I realise it sounds insulting, like I'm saying
Herald Katherine is self-conscious, and saying it like it's  bad thing.
That's not what I meant. What I meant was that I used to have such low
self-esteem that something like that would REALLY bother me, not just
discomfort or irritate me. Sorry for any confusion my words may have caused.

   No ObMisty this time.

Elsa


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Date: 	Thu, 1 Apr 1999 22:22:34 -0500 (EST)
From: Becky Cary <recary-+AT+-phoenix.Princeton.EDU>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Velgarth
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.03.9904012213240.97-100000-+AT+-yuma.princeton.edu>

On Fri, 2 Apr 1999, Tanya Evans wrote:

> Forgive me if this seems like a stupid question but which are the Velgarth
> books?  I'm way behind on my book purchasing and these books have come up
> quite a bit recently.  Could someone tell me so I can rush out and buy them,
> not only for my own reading enjoyment, but so I will know what is being
> talked about.

The Velgarth books are all books set on the world Velgarth, which means
all the Herald books plus some others. The trilogies, in no particular
order:

Heralds of Valdemar (Arrows, for short)(Arrows of the Queen, Arrow's
	Flight, Arrow's Fall)
The Last Herald-Mage (abbrev. LHM) (Magic's Pawn, Magic's Promise, Magic's
	Price)
Vows & Honor (Oathbound, Oathbreakers, Oathblood)
By The Sword (stand-alone, kinda)
Mage Winds (Winds of Fate, Winds of Change, Winds of Fury)
Mage Storms (Storm Warning, Storm Rising, Storm Breaking)
Mage Wars (Black Gryphon, White Gryphon, Silver Gryphon)
All those weird Owl books I haven't read yet (I think it's currently
	Owlflight and Owlsight)
These are, very roughly, in the order in which they were written. A
chronological order in terms of when the stories happen would go:
Wars-LHM-V&H-Arrows-BtS-Winds-Storms-Owl stuff. But the first Arrows book
is a pretty comprehensive intro to Valdemar (the kingdom where most of it
happens), so it might be a good first read. (Warning: it's one of Misty's
first novels, and IMHO, it shows -- but it still doesn't suck.)

The really appalling bit is that I own most of these. Yikes. To think of
the amount of money I'd still have if I didn't read Misty.... because
actually, I'd never have join this list, and never have started reading &
buying numerous other authors....

Becky


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advised that, from time to time, it is invaded by Germany.


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Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 19:20:38 PST
From: Jamie Jackobs <shadowcat19-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Di Tregarde/Spoilers
Message-ID: <19990402032039.17248.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com>




>From: JP-+AT+-brunswic.demon.co.uk (John Pritchard)
>Reply-To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
>To: shadowcat19-+AT+-hotmail.com
>Subject: Re: Di Tregarde/Spoilers
>Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 22:50:23 +0100 (BST)
>
>In reply to Ailsa Reid's message of Thu, 1 Apr 1999
>
>>1) The Di Tregarde books are starting to appear in Blackwells. 
>
>They've only taken about 8 years to catch up, then ... we _are_ sadly
>deprived in England!  (But I bought them in London years ago)
>Alternatively, try Amazon.co.uk for prices which use a more sensible
>$/ exchange rate - even after paying postage it works out cheaper.
>
>>Is there any order they ought to be read in, or can I just pick up the 
>>first one I see and understand what is going on? 
>
>The books are more-or-less self-standing, so I wouldn't worry overmuch
>about the order.  Judging by internal evidence, the "correct" order is
>probably:	Children of the Night
>		Burning Water
>		Jinx High
>
>(and note a reference in JH to a student called Tannim ... )
>
>>Zen hugs and fluffy Easter sheep with chocolate and malt whisky for 
all (and 
>>soft drinks for the under 18s)
>
>Ah, a person of taste!  Laphroaig for preference, if you please ...
>but don't waste it on those who won't appreciate it.
>
>-- 
>John Pritchard                     JP-+AT+-brunswic.demon.co.uk
>
>For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, 
and wrong.
>[H.L. Mencken]
Really, It should be Burning Water, Children of the Night, Then Jinx 
High, but they all are pretty much self standing, except for some jokes 
Di makes in the second book which go back to the first. *shrugs* but it 
really doesn't matter 
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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:08:26 -0500
From: "Tanya Evans" <tlevans-+AT+-home.com>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Velgarth
Message-ID: <000601be7d33$ce4e61c0$23040618-+AT+-cb809508-a.baycty1.mi.home.com>

*phews*  Most of those books I have already read, and re-read many times,
all except the owl books.  I didn't realize that Velgarth was the name of
the world that the Misty books were set in, now I do, this definatly lessens
my confusion.  Thanks!

-----Original Message-----
From: Becky Cary <recary-+AT+-phoenix.Princeton.EDU>
To: tlevans-+AT+-home.com <tlevans-+AT+-home.com>
Date: Thursday, April 01, 1999 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: Velgarth


>On Fri, 2 Apr 1999, Tanya Evans wrote:
>
>> Forgive me if this seems like a stupid question but which are the
Velgarth
>> books?  I'm way behind on my book purchasing and these books have come up
>> quite a bit recently.  Could someone tell me so I can rush out and buy
them,
>> not only for my own reading enjoyment, but so I will know what is being
>> talked about.
>
>The Velgarth books are all books set on the world Velgarth, which means
>all the Herald books plus some others. The trilogies, in no particular
>order:
>
>Heralds of Valdemar (Arrows, for short)(Arrows of the Queen, Arrow's
> Flight, Arrow's Fall)
>The Last Herald-Mage (abbrev. LHM) (Magic's Pawn, Magic's Promise, Magic's
> Price)
>Vows & Honor (Oathbound, Oathbreakers, Oathblood)
>By The Sword (stand-alone, kinda)
>Mage Winds (Winds of Fate, Winds of Change, Winds of Fury)
>Mage Storms (Storm Warning, Storm Rising, Storm Breaking)
>Mage Wars (Black Gryphon, White Gryphon, Silver Gryphon)
>All those weird Owl books I haven't read yet (I think it's currently
> Owlflight and Owlsight)
>These are, very roughly, in the order in which they were written. A
>chronological order in terms of when the stories happen would go:
>Wars-LHM-V&H-Arrows-BtS-Winds-Storms-Owl stuff. But the first Arrows book
>is a pretty comprehensive intro to Valdemar (the kingdom where most of it
>happens), so it might be a good first read. (Warning: it's one of Misty's
>first novels, and IMHO, it shows -- but it still doesn't suck.)
>
>The really appalling bit is that I own most of these. Yikes. To think of
>the amount of money I'd still have if I didn't read Misty.... because
>actually, I'd never have join this list, and never have started reading &
>buying numerous other authors....
>
>Becky
>
>
>--------------
>In general, France is a safe travel destination, though travelers are
>advised that, from time to time, it is invaded by Germany.
>


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Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 17:05:47 EST
From: "Freedom Walker" <freedomwalker-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: at last...
Message-ID: <19990402220547.94815.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com>

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Okay I am finally back on... ::embarassed smile:: Just as I recieved the 
warning to take COS through a network server or something... Sorry 
everyone! 

Okay I just worked my way through Four and Twenty Blackbirds... I know I 
know ALL of Misty's work it good but... I don't like mysterys and though 
I will admit if I did it would be a great read I just didn't like it as 
much as the Valdemar books... ::slapping myself for being so single 
minded:: Well I am wondering if anyone else felt it left something to be 
desired?

Freedom Justice Walker

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Okay I just worked my way through Four and Twenty Blackbirds... I know I 
know ALL of Misty's work it good but... I don't like mysterys and though 
I will admit if I did it would be a great read I just didn't like it as 
much as the Valdemar books... ::slapping myself for being so single 
minded:: Well I am wondering if anyone else felt it left something to be 
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Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 17:08:59 EST
From: "Freedom Walker" <freedomwalker-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: at last...
Message-ID: <19990402220859.75504.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com>

Okay I am finally back on... ::embarassed smile:: Just as I recieved the 
warning to take COS through a network server or something... Sorry 
everyone! 

Okay I just worked my way through Four and Twenty Blackbirds... I know I 
know ALL of Misty's work it good but... I don't like mysterys and though 
I will admit if I did it would be a great read I just didn't like it as 
much as the Valdemar books... ::slapping myself for being so single 
minded:: Well I am wondering if anyone else felt it left something to be 
desired?

Freedom Justice Walker
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 15:06:16 -0800 (PST)
From: AMANDA AAAAA <armadillolee-+AT+-yahoo.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: at last...
Message-ID: <19990402230616.18126.rocketmail-+AT+-web105.yahoomail.com>

It was lacking something but it was still good.

--- Freedom Walker <freedomwalker-+AT+-hotmail.com> wrote:
> Okay I am finally back on... ::embarassed smile::
> Just as I recieved the 
> warning to take COS through a network server or
> something... Sorry 
> everyone! 
> 
> Okay I just worked my way through Four and Twenty
> Blackbirds... I know I 
> know ALL of Misty's work it good but... I don't like
> mysterys and though 
> I will admit if I did it would be a great read I just
> didn't like it as 
> much as the Valdemar books... ::slapping myself for
> being so single 
> minded:: Well I am wondering if anyone else felt it
> left something to be 
> desired?
> 
> Freedom Justice Walker
> Get Your Private, Free Email at
> http://www.hotmail.com
> 

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