MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1940 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: TMBG and questions by songrunner-+AT+-juno.com 2) Re: 'Fandes by Becky Cary 3) Re: They Might Be Giants by Liz4Pres-+AT+-aol.com 4) Black Swan, companions by Julia Gray 5) Re: 'Fandes by "Tanya Evans" 6) Heyla, all! by Kristy Lyseng 7) Question and Dreaming by Heather Arnold 8) Re: 'Fandes by Becky Cary 9) Re: 'Fandes by Abigail Laughlin 10) Re: Darkover books and lame obmisty & a question by "Crescent Moon" 11) More copyright stuff by songrunner-+AT+-juno.com 12) Drugs and Elves by "Li'nia Stormdancer" 13) Yfandes by "Li'nia Stormdancer" 14) braid (one-liners) by Greg Wooledge 15) Companion Question by "Herald Katherine" 16) Re: 'Fandes by "Derrick O" 17) Re: Darkover books and lame obmisty & a question by "Sorana Stargem" 18) Re: 'Fandes by "Kristjan Wager" 19) Re: Heyla, all! by "Kristjan Wager" 20) Re: Companion Question by "Li'nia Stormdancer" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:14:58 +0000 From: songrunner-+AT+-juno.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: TMBG and questions Message-ID: <19990420.081511.3598.1.Songrunner-+AT+-juno.com> Dawnfire wrote: >So I read thins and a question pooped into my head and the answer is >probably well-know but since I haven't read the Arrow's trilogy for I >while and I feel like digging through the book to find the answer ( >Yeah I know I am lazy) Anyways I know that Ylsa and Kerrin were >lifebonded and Sherril and Kerrin were lifebonded but were Sherrill >and Ylsa lifebonded as well? I think so. If you remember, when they were talking to Talia about lifebonds (I think it was somewhere in AFall), Sherill mentioned that she had always looked at the Keren and Ylsa with longing, so it seems that they were all lifebonded. Keren also mentioned that her and Ylsa had both "wondered" about Sherrill but had never really done anything about it. And I think that it actually comes out and mentions that, had Ylsa lived, they would probably have formed one the those extremely rare threesomes. On a more general level, since lifebonding is a soulbonding of the perfect match for your soul, I would think that both members of a two-member lifebond would probably be similar, so if another one with a similar soul came along and lifebonded to one of them, it would probably stand to reason that they would lifebond to the other person too, since they all would share similar souls (or something like that!) Anyway, I'll stop babbling and confusing you for now. Wind to thy wings, Songrunner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:37:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Becky Cary To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: 'Fandes Message-ID: One more tidbit on the 'Fandes-Grove-Born-thing: She'd been around a while before she Chose Van (in a later book, either 2 or 3, there's the comment that 'Fandes had been a momma before her Choosing -- it's in the context of comparing her to Van's mom). For a Grove-born to be created and then just hang around, having the occasional foal and munching oats, doesn't really seem likely. Also there's the fact that Van could sometimes "see" an image of 'Fandes as a human woman, which would be understandable for a normal, reincarnated-from-a-Herald Companion, but a little peculiar were she Grove-Born. Becky Goddess of Oversleeping and Snide Comments She Who Doesn't Really Give a Damn About Carbonyls -------------- In general, France is a safe travel destination, though travelers are advised that, from time to time, it is invaded by Germany. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 12:02:44 EDT From: Liz4Pres-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: They Might Be Giants Message-ID: <11cddee1.244dff24-+AT+-aol.com> In a message dated 4/16/99 5:33:40 PM, you wrote: <> Since TMBG is my favorite band, I am compelled to write and inform everyone of the other albums not listed, all superb art works. Other albums include: Severe Tire Damage, Lincoln, They the compilation, and two new albums are coming soon (currently available through the computer.) See them, listen to them, love them. Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:57:13 -0500 From: Julia Gray To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Black Swan, companions Message-ID: <371CB1E8.C2BA69A7-+AT+-oakton.edu> Someone else mentioned that the Black Swan is out - it's on Amazon.com too -- and there are already 2 reviews, one of which sounds like the person read it, and he/she gave it all of 1 star; the other person sounded like he/she was just hyper about the possibility of reading it, and he/she gave it 5 stars. I don't want a spoiler, but . . . with the hardback costing $20 I'd like enough of a review to see if I should wait for it in paperback. If you think you might get into spoiler territory with a review, please feel free to email me directly. As someone who accidently posted a spoiler once *wince* I don't want to be in any way responsible for it happening again :-) obmisty: how much do companions "change" their chosen? at one point in LHM van couldn't see what drove a herald ... even after getting chosen (as I remember), he still didn't quite get it. It is only much later, when talking to Stefen that he fully understands it - he syas he understands it after helping the tayledras with the one village, but then in the next book it's unclear if the lesson took. Well, did he change his mind 'cause his companion "helped him see the light" or 'cause of his own maturity? Opinions? Betha'lis ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 16:42:54 -0400 From: "Tanya Evans" To: Subject: Re: 'Fandes Message-ID: <001b01be8b6e$5dce09c0$23040618-+AT+-baycty1.mi.home.com> Well then the next question is... How did 'Fandes survive her former Chosen's death, when it was made pretty clear that Companions usually don't outlive their chosen heralds, and I'm pretty sure she did have a former chosen since it was implied that 'Fandes had chosen before. - Ellevaranachai Shay'Nara'Val Herald Trainee, but Bard wannabe => Rethwellan by Nature, Chosen by Virtue ----- Original Message ----- From: Becky Cary To: Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 4:01 PM Subject: Re: 'Fandes > One more tidbit on the 'Fandes-Grove-Born-thing: > She'd been around a while before she Chose Van (in a later book, either 2 > or 3, there's the comment that 'Fandes had been a momma before her > Choosing -- it's in the context of comparing her to Van's mom). For a > Grove-born to be created and then just hang around, having the occasional > foal and munching oats, doesn't really seem likely. Also there's the fact > that Van could sometimes "see" an image of 'Fandes as a human woman, which > would be understandable for a normal, reincarnated-from-a-Herald > Companion, but a little peculiar were she Grove-Born. > > Becky > Goddess of Oversleeping and Snide Comments > She Who Doesn't Really Give a Damn About Carbonyls > > -------------- > In general, France is a safe travel destination, though travelers are > advised that, from time to time, it is invaded by Germany. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:41:35 PDT From: Kristy Lyseng To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Heyla, all! Message-ID: <19990420184136.4611.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Heyla, all! Hi, people. Do you ever have one of those days/months where one minute you think the world's wonderful, and the next minute it's horrible? That's what I'm suffering right now. Normally I'm not like this, but considering that there's a war going on in Serbia . . . Well, I think I'll try to lighten the mood. I was listening to the radio (I usually do when I'm doing my homework) and I heard that NASA will be sending a time capsule into space comprised of messages. I believe the limit is four pages, and you could write about anything you want. In five thousand years people will be reading it. I wrote down the webpage, but I'm not sure I got it right, so if anybody else has any information on this, I'd be grateful. Just thought you people would be curious. We got a new computer! Hurray! I'll be able to access the INTERNET at home!!!!!!!! It's gonna be a sweet computer too. I believe that it has a 2gig hardrive . . . Hopefully my Dad will be able to set it up this week or on the weekend. I'm so happy about that! Hey, Yvonne, can you use your Enchanted Buckets and dump some water over the head of the hotmail people? This is the first time in a couple of days that I was able to access my account! Sorry, no OB Misty today. Love, Light and Laughter, Kristy ------------------------------------ "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe."--Albert Einstein ------------------------------------ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:29:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Heather Arnold To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Question and Dreaming Message-ID: The Typodragon rouses for the second post in a week. This may be a personal record - Yay! Break out the mocha! Y'know, I hate to bring up a well-trod issue once again, but I have a legitimate question this time. After making that statement in defense of the release form, I wanted to go back and check to make sure nothing had changed. As far as I know, nothing has - but as I was reading back through it again, I noticed that there was nothing in it to indicate *where* a story could or could not be published, once approved. I used to think that a story with an approved release form could only be published in a QO 'zine, but I guess that's just a function of the Herald requirements. Anyway, something about this didn't jive right, since every time I've looked up ML-related web pages, I've noticed plenty of promos, summaries of her works, artwork, etc., etc. ...but a conspicuous lack of fanfic, even on the sites of those who have (or claim to have) registered personas. When I tried to look at pages whose summaries seemed to hint at containing archived fanfic or organized stories, these pages were absent or 'forbidden' - probably coincidence, but a little strange, nonetheless. Is it just me, or is this kinda weird? I'd assume that those people in QO with web pages chose not to write a story for their requirements, or for some personal reason, they chose not to publish these stories on their home pages, but judging by the number of people I've heard complaining about the ML fanfic situation, it would seem that *somebody* wanted to write and have their work seen. Still, after browsing through two entire webrings of pages and not finding a single piece of fanfic, I've got to figure that I've missed something along the way. Is there some unwritten (or written) rule that approved fanfic stories cannot be published online, or is this just a case of precedent? ...Okay, obMisty - obMisty.... Someone (I think it was Dax) long ago brought up the question of what the Dreaming was, I always saw it as an extreme retreat from reality, into an internal world, that was naturally accompanied by a total loss of interest in surroundings and circumstances. As both drug abuse and some psychological problems can induce a similar effect for people in RL, I always guessed that was the basis for the concept. It seems that Misty's elves, being almost immortal, incapable of creativity, and operating on a somewhat different time-scale when moving back and forth from Underhill to Earth, would face a lot of stress in the form of mankind's preoccupation with change, and might easily succumb to living in a false and unchanging world of their own memories. In this way, they reminded me a lot of Anne Rice's vampires - unable to change, unable to adapt, and therefore frightened and confused by the changes in the world around them. Seems to be a occupational hazard of being immortal, eh? My question related to the Dreaming had to do more with their stance on caffeine use. There were several instances throughout the _SERRAted Edge_ books and the _Bedlam's Bard_ of people disapproving of its use (for pretty obvious reasons), but I always wondered whether in their culture it was considered more of a (forgive me) 'recreational' drug - i.e. potentially damaging, but more or less acceptable and manageable in small amounts - or if its use was always life-destroying. I believe Misty consistently portrayed it as life-destroying, but it's been years since I read those books. Through sunsets golden, Typo, delinquent member of the Mistic Circle Cell Bio refugee, Mouse-wrangler extraordinaire ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:38:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Becky Cary To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: 'Fandes Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Apr 1999, Tanya Evans wrote: > Well then the next question is... How did 'Fandes survive her former > Chosen's death, when it was made pretty clear that Companions usually don't > outlive their chosen heralds, and I'm pretty sure she did have a former > chosen since it was implied that 'Fandes had chosen before. Really? If so, I completely missed that implication. I'm gonna have to ask for textevd on this one. She was mature, and had foaled at least once, but I don't recall there ever being any mention of her having had a previous Chosen. Recall, in Magic's Pawn, when Savil berates Vanyel for trying to kill himself by telling him that Yfandes would die, too. If she had survived the death of one Chosen, why would that kill her? Becky -------------- In general, France is a safe travel destination, though travelers are advised that, from time to time, it is invaded by Germany. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:56:17 -0400 From: Abigail Laughlin To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: 'Fandes Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990420175617.007d5600-+AT+-mail.montreat.edu> <> Was it? I don't recall ever seeing that in any of the books. And I know it was remarked in MPawn that Yfandes had never chosen and was the oldest unbonded Companion. In fact, it may have been exactly the fact that she was so much older and had had more than one foal that made her such a good Companion for Vanyel. Vanyel was seriously at sea, mentally and emotionally; he didn't need a young, inexperienced Companion (and no arguments that all reincarnated Companions are experienced; maybe they're more experienced than their Chosen, but we've seen young Companions who acted like people of the equivalent age), he needed someone mature and maternal to support him. Hence Yfandes. Zha'hai'allav'a, Raven Darkblade and Mor the raven, Holy Hand of the Goddess of Elves, Member of the Mistic Circle and Webmaster of the Circle of Stone, Knight and Founding Member of the Order of Unsung Heroes; Advocator of Eldan, Champion of Kethra and Hyllarr, Devotee of Maclyn and Worshipper of Tal Rufen. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:57:31 EDT From: "Crescent Moon" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Darkover books and lame obmisty & a question Message-ID: <19990420225731.19051.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_5fb9cb7_166f3f21$1df5eecd Content-type: text/plain Heyla, Listsibs! I feel so stupid. I wasn't quite finished with Skan's series yet and I just read what a perchi is (i asked earlier what that was). No, I feel more than stupid, I feel embarrassed, and a number of other things. sorrrryy! ugh. i've been doing a lot of things lately that require a 'sorry'. ack. ~*Crescentmoon*~ (Like the stationery? It's called Jungle) _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------=_NextPart_000_5fb9cb7_166f3f21$1df5eecd Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_4c8f6ded_166f3f21$1df5eecd" ------=_NextPart_001_4c8f6ded_166f3f21$1df5eecd Content-type: text/html
                 
Heyla, Listsibs!
I feel so stupid. I wasn't quite finished with Skan's series yet and I
just read what a perchi is (i asked earlier what that was). No, I feel
more than stupid, I feel embarrassed, and a number of other things.
sorrrryy! ugh. i've been doing a lot of things lately that require a
'sorry'. ack.

~*Crescentmoon*~
(Like the stationery? It's called Jungle)

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following was up on the Firebird website, and it kind of applies to the recent discussion: Some friends & I want to create role playing game set in Valdemar, and use characters from the books. Is this ok? 4/14/99 Here are the official guidelines on GAMING! We cannot permit ANY use of our characters or settings in online gaming; it doesn't matter if it's non-profit. The point here is that electronic rights (that includes online use) are very new; we don't know what we need to protect and what we don't in order to keep the market-value of those rights. And yes, I know, Robert Jordan and others allow it---my agent personally believes that is very foolish, and he will not allow any electronic use without licensing. No MUCKS, MUDS, MUSHES, or online RPGs. Paper-games. IF you are just running a game among your friends, enjoy yourself! If, however, you are planning to PUBLISH anything, be it an RPG, a game module, an article for a gaming magazine, or self-publishing a set of rules to sell---you're in trouble. That's copyright infringement, and it's not allowed. So have fun at home, with our blessing, but don't take it out the door! Misty 4/14/99 ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 01:41:23 GMT From: "Li'nia Stormdancer" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Drugs and Elves Message-ID: <19990421014124.58578.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Heyla List-Sibs!! *Stretching and relaxing in the sun, Li'nia belatedly remembers the little death-by-chocolate sheep she'd brought for everyone. Sitting up, she reaches down......and noone is getting any sheep today! "Sorry all!" :Ha! See where your forgetfulness get you!: Rolling her eyes, Li'nia aims a kick at the shadows. "Oh, will you shut up cat?!?" Styx turns his head the other way and flicks his tail at her. :You'll never get that lucky.:* Typo wrote: >>My question related to the Dreaming had to do more with their stance on caffeine use. There were several instances throughout the _SERRAted Edge_ books and the _Bedlam's Bard_ of people disapproving of its use (for pretty obvious reasons), but I always wondered whether in their culture it was considered more of a (forgive me) 'recreational' drug - i.e. potentially damaging, but more or less acceptable and manageable in small amounts - or if its use was always life-destroying. I believe Misty consistently portrayed it as life- destroying, but it's been years since I read those books.<< I don't think that a small amount would kill the Elves, but in large doses (say, maybe, several cans) I think it would be devestating to them. They generally tried to avoid it whenever possible, though. I don't really know, but I think to the Elves it's a very strong drug, kind of like some of our pharmacutical drugs. Maybe like downers, too? (I don't know; I've never taken any or really researched drugs.) She always said it would induce the Dreaming, though, so maybe it's something she just made up to fit their particular physiology. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "Variety is the spice of life." - my father =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ~~Li'nia Stormdancer~~Stormdance k'T'more y Kuus~~Peon to the Powers That Be~~Devotee to the OoUH (Champion of FX and Altra)~~(Hopeful) Goddess of All Things Possessed~~Mindmate to Styx A'ska~~ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 01:51:28 GMT From: "Li'nia Stormdancer" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Yfandes Message-ID: <19990421015129.61275.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Heyla List-Sibs!! Lucky you; you get to hear from me more than once today!! *g* I just got the note on whether or not Yfandes had Chosen more than once. I don't think the Companions _can_ survive their Heralds death. The only exception to that rule is, I believe, the Monarch's Own Companion i.e. Rolan survived his Chosen's death (sorry, don't have the book here and can't remember his name!) and went very far afield and Chose Talia afterwards. I believe that if she hadn't survived the drowning in AoQ, he'd have gone and Chosen again. That particular Companion only dies of old age or other means, not from the loss of his/her Chosen. I think it has to do with continuity, because the Monarch's Own is such an important position. If I'm totally wrong, please let me know! (And I know you will!! *g*) Departing once more from the Arena of Discussion and Dissention, -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "Variety is the spice of life." - my father =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ~~Li'nia Stormdancer~~Stormdance k'T'more y Kuus~~Peon to the Powers That Be~~Devotee to the OoUH (Champion of FX and Altra)~~(Hopeful) Goddess of All Things Possessed~~Mindmate to Styx A'ska~~ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:26:11 -0400 From: Greg Wooledge To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: braid (one-liners) Message-ID: <19990420222611.A3272-+AT+-phoenix.local> Caity McAllister (dawnfire00-+AT+-hotmail.com) wrote: > a question pooped into my head Eeewwwww! Yuck! Tanya Evans (tlevans-+AT+-home.com) wrote: > Well then the next question is... How did 'Fandes survive her former > Chosen's death, I'm fairly sure that Yfandes had no Chosen before Vanyel. Crescent Moon (xenawrprincess-+AT+-hotmail.com) wrote: > (Like the stationery? It's called Jungle) > R0lGODlhIAOfAKL/AP///62tlJSUcxghAMbOtcDAwAAAAAAAACH5BAEAAAUALAAAAAAgA58AQAP/ > WDXc/jDKSau6OOvNu/9gKI5kaZ5oqq5s675wLM90bd94LjMCQQS+oC/ACAgGgIHgqDQEiIAlYWAc [...] It also only works on a small subset of the mail programs out there. On the rest it comes through as a big base64-encoded binary attachment (which is, after all, precisely what it is). (Sorry, folks, I'm in a terse mood today for some reason.) -- Greg Wooledge | Distributed.NET http://www.distributed.net/ wooledge-+AT+-kellnet.com | because a CPU is a terrible thing to waste. http://www.kellnet.com/wooledge/ | ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 17:27:34 PDT From: "Herald Katherine" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Companion Question Message-ID: <19990420002735.60307.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> a hundred thousand heylas (that's kind of my own misty offshoot of "a hundred thousand welcomes") well amidst all this grove-born companion business, i've come up with another piece of grove-born buisness. alright here we go: in the mage storms trilogy, it's mentioned that there has never before been two grove-born companions in valdemar at once. okay that's all well and good, but isn't the monarch's companion supposed to be grove-born? maybe i'm wrong but didn't they mention that when Elspeth was chosen???? so doesn't that mean that Selenay should have a grove born?? (can't remeber her companion's name) and if only the monarch's companion is grove born where does talia get off with one?? hmmmm?? okay okay i'm done, someone prove me wrong -+AT+-----}----- "Would that all troubles are so easily washed away as these" -Silverfox on washing dishes "What's one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one?" "I don't know," said Alice "i lost count." "She can't add." Said the Red Queen -Lewis Carrol Wind to thy wings, Herald Katherine ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:05:44 PDT From: "Derrick O" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: 'Fandes Message-ID: <19990421050545.7190.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> yeah I don't think Fandes had ever been chosen before. Just because she had given birth has nothing to do with her being chosen. Personally the reason I think the reason she had never chosen before Vanyel because she was probably waiting for a herald mage, and since they were all being systematically eliminated there was no one for her to choose until his pathways were blown open. Well that's all I have to say. -Derrick ----Original Message Follows---- On Tue, 20 Apr 1999, Tanya Evans wrote: > Well then the next question is... How did 'Fandes survive her former > Chosen's death, when it was made pretty clear that Companions usually don't > outlive their chosen heralds, and I'm pretty sure she did have a former > chosen since it was implied that 'Fandes had chosen before. Really? If so, I completely missed that implication. I'm gonna have to ask for textevd on this one. She was mature, and had foaled at least once, but I don't recall there ever being any mention of her having had a previous Chosen. Recall, in Magic's Pawn, when Savil berates Vanyel for trying to kill himself by telling him that Yfandes would die, too. If she had survived the death of one Chosen, why would that kill her? Becky -------------- In general, France is a safe travel destination, though travelers are advised that, from time to time, it is invaded by Germany. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:08:21 PDT From: "Sorana Stargem" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Darkover books and lame obmisty & a question Message-ID: <19990421050824.36500.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Heyla all! Crescentmoon wrote: >"Chris Robertson" wrote: > >>Obmisty, is Mindhearing the same as Thoughtsensing? Just >>re-re-re-read BtS and I noticed that Kero's MindGifts are described >>as both. >>Zha'hai'allav'a [as i said, i just read BtS and now i'm moving on to >>the Oaths series, so a bit of Shin'a'in is fitting] >>Shadowlight > I feel kinda dumb writing this, cuz i'm a newbie to Misty's books, >and I could be wrong, (in fact i probably am) but isn't MindSpeech >where you can talk to another person, like telepathy or something, >and if you're a strong enough MindTalker or whatever (like Ke'chara, >from Skan's series) you can overhear someone's thoughts. Only if >you've a really strong Gift of MindSpeaking, though (i think). And >ThoughtSensing- that's where you can hear another person's thoughts >(well, obviously) and i think it just might be the same, only if >you've a strong enough Gift in MindSpeaking, i think. I'm not quite >sure. And, i think i've managed to confuse both of us- whoever is >reading this, and me. Don't worry, I'm not confused. Here's how I think the whole thing works. First off, Mindhearing and Thoughtsensing are the same thing. They're just different names for the abilty to "hear" or read other's thoughts. Second, Mindspeech seems to be made up of two Gifts. Mindhearing/Thoughtsensing which lets you recieve thoughts and the one that lets you broadcast and/or send thoughts (can't remember the name off hand). If you have both, you have the Gift of Mindspeech. That's the impression I got from MPawn anyway. It was in the part where Van's Gifts were listed. Oh, and yes, if you're a strong enough Mindspeaker you can 'overhear' other Mindspoken conversations. > I'll feel really dumb if I'm wrong (i already >do)but I thought it was Zhai'helleva? Or is Zha'hai'allav'a >Shin'a'in and Zhai'helleva Tayledras? Is there a difference (yes)? There is a difference. But I don't need to tell it to you since you already figured it out correctly! Congrats! >well, weren't the HawkBrothers and the Shin'a'in created >after the Mage Wars? Cuz the Kaled'a'in were in Skan's series, >and....I know they were created after some kind of war, cuz their land >was destroyed and that's why the Shin'a'in was separated from the >Tayledras cuz the Shin'a'in didn't want to use magic cuz that's what >destroyed their land in the first place, and the Tayledras wanted to >use the magic to repair their land. And the Goddess helped the >Shin'a'in and all that, and I AM VERY CONFUSED!!!!! Yep. That's all correct. Hopefully, now that you know all these things for sure, you won't be confused anymore! Kalista Firemyst wrote: >about gifts: i think mental healing (is there a term for >that?) Yes, there is. It's called MindHealing. Amy wrote: >On a different topic BLACK SWAN IS OUT!!!!! I picked up my copy >today at Barnes and Noble so it should be out everywhere in a >fewdays...HURRAH!!!! No! Really??? WOW! I didn't think that book was _ever_ gonna come out! YAAAY!!! That's goin' on my list as soon as I get off the comp! And now it's time for the traditional shameless self-promotion! I just finished putting up my page of sheep jokes! If anyone's interested in them, please visit my page! It's at http://www.angelfire.com/wa/mylagoon/index.html P.S. to My Lady Dax. I'm still voting for you! "Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast!" Sorana S. Stargem Herald-trainee, %-+AT+-"So free for a moment High Priestess to the Goddess%-+AT+-Lost somewhere between the earth and of Unicorns, %-+AT+-the sky Goddess of Flions, %-+AT+-So free for a moment Knight of Amber and Marigold,%-+AT+-Lost because I want to be lost Knight of the OOUH %-+AT+-Don't try to find me" --The Martinis http://www.angelfire.com/wa/mylagoon/index.html _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 02:06:56 PDT From: "Kristjan Wager" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: 'Fandes Message-ID: <19990421090657.89160.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Hi listsibs Ellevaranachai Shay'Nara'Val wrote: >Well then the next question is... How did 'Fandes survive her former >Chosen's death, when it was made pretty clear that Companions usually don't >outlive their chosen heralds, and I'm pretty sure she did have a former >chosen since it was implied that 'Fandes had chosen before. It was never implied that 'Fandes had chosen before. As a matter of fact Savyil directly ask: are you telling me that 'Fandes, the only companion that haven't chosen have chosen Vanyel.. Or something like that. Absalon Member of OLW and OOUH ( champion of Lissa ) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 02:33:38 PDT From: "Kristjan Wager" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Heyla, all! Message-ID: <19990421093339.3484.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Hi listsibs Sorry for posting twice in a row, but I just heard about the tragegy in Denver. It is horrible, and to me it is especially horrible that it happened in a school and it's libery - two places people should be able to feel safe. Kristy wrote: > Well, I think I'll try to lighten the mood. I was listening to the >radio (I usually do when I'm doing my homework) and I heard that NASA will be sending a time capsule into space comprised of messages. I believe the limit is four pages, and you could write about anything you want. In five thousand years people will be reading it. I wrote down the webpage, but I'm not sure I got it right, so if anybody else has any information on this, I'd be grateful. Just thought you people would be curious.< I'm not quiet sure i follow you, what do you mean by : I wrote down the webpage? > We got a new computer! Hurray! I'll be able to access the INTERNET at home!!!!!!!!< Good for you. I'm probably going to by one next month, since I'm tired of using the Univerity's computers, or having to pay for using a Internet cafe. > Hey, Yvonne, can you use your Enchanted Buckets and dump some water over the head of the hotmail people? This is the first time in a couple of days that I was able to access my account! < You were lucky - a couple of weeks ago hotmail somehow lost 35 million accounts. Probably a serve died or something like that. Absalon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:46:16 GMT From: "Li'nia Stormdancer" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Companion Question Message-ID: <19990421104616.48699.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Heyla List-Sibs: Oooo, I've gotten on the 'puter a few times today. Lucky you, that doesn't happen very often! Herald Katherine wrote: >>in the mage storms trilogy, it's mentioned that there has never before been two grove-born companions in valdemar at once. okay that's all well and good, but isn't the monarch's companion supposed to be grove-born? maybe i'm wrong but didn't they mention that when Elspeth was chosen???? so doesn't that mean that Selenay should have a grove born?? (can't remeber her companion's name) and if only the monarch's companion is grove born where does talia get off with one??<< OK, since you challenged us to prove you wrong, here goes! *g* It's the Monarch's _Own_ Companion which is Grove-born, which is why Selenay doesn't have one and Talia does. If Selenay dies, her Companion will go with her. If Talia dies, Rolan will go looking for another Monarch's Own. If you recall, Rolan's previous Chosen was murdered, and then he went on his search for Talia. Elspeth was another case entirely. I think it was because she was to be the first Herald-Mage after so long a time, and that brought another set of rules into play. If I'm totally off base here, please feel free to flame me! (But I don't relish becoming a member of the Order of Drifting Ashes!) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "Variety is the spice of life." - my father =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ~~Li'nia Stormdancer~~Stormdance k'T'more y Kuus~~Peon to the Powers That Be~~Devotee to the OoUH (Champion of FX and Altra)~~(Hopeful) Goddess of All Things Possessed~~Mindmate to Styx A'ska~~ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1940 **********************************