MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1941 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Companion Question by "Wolfshadow k'Vala" 2) Re: 'Fandes and possibly more info than some want to know by Danielle May Marrone 3) about the Denver tragedy by "Kristy Lyseng" 4) female characters by skyfire-+AT+-t-online.de (skyfire) 5) Re: 'Fandes by Orelalaith 6) Re: More copyright stuff by Orelalaith 7) Re: More copyright stuff by Julia Gray 8) Re: TMBG and questions by Darkmoon 9) Re: Companion Question (and a new question!) by songrunner-+AT+-juno.com 10) Re: Darkover books and lame obmisty & a question by "Crescent Moon" 11) Re: Darkover books and lame obmisty & a question by songrunner-+AT+-juno.com 12) Re: Companion Question by "Li'nia Stormdancer" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 05:35:10 PDT From: "Wolfshadow k'Vala" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Companion Question Message-ID: <19990421123510.98877.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_10b69308_3699e60a$6e4f05a9 Content-type: text/plain *delurking* Ok its been a while, but college dosnt leave a lot of time for personal stuff. Herald Katherine wrote: >>in the mage storms trilogy, it's mentioned that there has never before been two grove-born companions in valdemar at once. okay that's all well and good, but isn't the monarch's companion supposed to be grove-born? maybe i'm wrong but didn't they mention that when Elspeth was chosen???? so doesn't that mean that Selenay should have a grove born?? (can't remeber her companion's name) and if only the monarch's companion is grove born where does talia get off with one??<< Do you all forget King Valdemar, his son and his herald all had grove born companions? Most likely there were a number after that, at least untill there was a viable breeding stock. Thats asuming that companions as greater beings of light need a viable breeding stock:-)!!!!! <--- Look Five! Does anyone know if the last of the Owls trilogy has come out yet? I havent seen it? And if it has, is it any good? (Like Misty could write a bad book) Chocolate covered sheep to all! Wind to thy wings, listsibs Wolfshadow K'Vala "Power is a dangerous drug, it can maim, it can kill" Jimmy Buffett _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------=_NextPart_000_10b69308_3699e60a$6e4f05a9 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_5a09792f_3699e60a$6e4f05a9" ------=_NextPart_001_5a09792f_3699e60a$6e4f05a9 Content-type: text/html
                 
*delurking*

Ok its been a while, but college dosnt leave a lot of time for
personal stuff.

Herald Katherine wrote:

>>in the mage storms trilogy, it's mentioned that there has never
before been two grove-born companions in valdemar at once. okay
that's all well and good, but isn't the monarch's companion supposed
to be grove-born? maybe i'm wrong but didn't they mention that when
Elspeth was chosen???? so doesn't that mean that Selenay should have
a grove born?? (can't remeber her companion's name) and if only the
monarch's companion is grove born where does talia get off with
one??<<

Do you all forget King Valdemar, his son and his herald all had grove
born companions? Most likely there were a number after that, at
least untill there was a viable breeding stock. Thats asuming that
companions as greater beings of light need a viable breeding
stock:-)!!!!! <--- Look Five!

Does anyone know if the last of the Owls trilogy has come out yet? I
havent seen it? And if it has, is it any good? (Like Misty could
write a bad book)

Chocolate covered sheep to all!

Wind to thy wings, listsibs

Wolfshadow K'Vala

"Power is a dangerous drug, it can maim, it can kill" Jimmy Buffett

Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit www.msn.com
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Van decided to go back and live some more so he could help Valdemar. Well, considering the fact that some Heralds are given choices when they die maybe 'Fandes was once a Herald and was given a choice as well. Jays was allowed to see Van before he went on to the havens. Savil obviously chose to be a companion. Vanyel chose (the second time) to stay in the Sorrows as long as Stef was allowed as well. Remember, Vanyel was not told HOW he would die, just that it would be a lonely life and a painful death. Maybe 'Fandes was told that she would die with her Chosen and it would be a hard and painful death, but wasn't told exactly what was going to happen. She wasn't told the 'what', 'where', 'when' or 'why' of the situation, just a general 'how'. This is just speculation, but I think it makes sense. I also like te suggestions that it could have been because of Van's dreams. And we all know that Companions know more than they let their Chosen know. Perhaps she knew everything, but being a Spirit horse for the Goddess meant that she could not change fate. Comments welcomed! I'd like to know what you all think. Sheep shaped pizza to all, ARI PS If anyone is ever in the area of SUNY Stony Brook, come check out the Sci Fi Forum in Hariman Hall. We have a big Sci Fi/ Fantasy library. I believe it is one of the biggest on my coast, but that could be a rumor. Our website is http://www.sf4m.org/. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:11:52 PDT From: "Kristy Lyseng" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: about the Denver tragedy Message-ID: <19990421181152.42170.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Hi! Just before I get into the really depressing stuff, I'd like to make one correction. When I meant "I wrote down the webpage" it made a typo. It's supposed to be address. Sorry! Anyways, about the Denver tragedy. I heard that last night, and did it ever disturb me. I mean, this is the type of stuff that's supposed to happen in the MOIVES! Those three people were sick, twisted, and need some serious mental help. How could they just waltz into a SCHOOL and shoot anybody who was wearing white (I heard that on the news), boming the building AND the people, and for no apparent reason other than what was in their sick, and twisted little minds? You know, sometimes I just hate the human race . . . I'm sorry if I offended anybody with that last sentence, but sometimes I can't help feeling that way. Well, try something more cheerful. Here's my OB Misty for the day. My pen-pal from Queen's Own, and I both agree about the new Owlsflight series. We think that it wasn't the type written for adults, but more for a younger generation. Does anybody else agree? Love, Light and Laughter, Kristy P.S.: What're Elvensteeds? ----------------------------------- "To things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe."--Albert Einstein ----------------------------------- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 19:47:28 -0700 From: skyfire-+AT+-t-online.de (skyfire) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: female characters Message-ID: <371E8DC0.970C1EBD-+AT+-t-online.de> Ardath6-+AT+-aol.com schrieb: > And here's something that's bothered me for a while: in Misty's books, > the > female gryphons don't get anywhere near as strong a part as the male > gryphons do. At least there are a few of them. Tayledras women, OTOH, are rather underrepresented . IIRC, there's Dawnfire and... Dawnfire (and she counts only once, despite varying forms :) ). One character I'd really like to meet is Firesong's mother, often quoted but never seen. I wonder if she's the connection to the Ashkevron line or rather Firesong's paternal line. -- Khenta B. aka Skyfire, bonded to Aar GoIC&GG, Member of RDotB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 16:54:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Orelalaith To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: 'Fandes Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Apr 1999, Tanya Evans wrote: > Well then the next question is... How did 'Fandes survive her former > Chosen's death, when it was made pretty clear that Companions usually don't > outlive their chosen heralds, and I'm pretty sure she did have a former > chosen since it was implied that 'Fandes had chosen before. Actually, the book said "Yfandes? The only Companion that HASN'T Chosen..." :) > > - > Ellevaranachai Shay'Nara'Val > Herald Trainee, but Bard wannabe => > Rethwellan by Nature, Chosen by Virtue > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Becky Cary > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 4:01 PM > Subject: Re: 'Fandes > > > > One more tidbit on the 'Fandes-Grove-Born-thing: > > She'd been around a while before she Chose Van (in a later book, either 2 > > or 3, there's the comment that 'Fandes had been a momma before her > > Choosing -- it's in the context of comparing her to Van's mom). For a > > Grove-born to be created and then just hang around, having the occasional > > foal and munching oats, doesn't really seem likely. Also there's the fact > > that Van could sometimes "see" an image of 'Fandes as a human woman, which > > would be understandable for a normal, reincarnated-from-a-Herald > > Companion, but a little peculiar were she Grove-Born. > > > > Becky > > Goddess of Oversleeping and Snide Comments > > She Who Doesn't Really Give a Damn About Carbonyls > > > > -------------- > > In general, France is a safe travel destination, though travelers are > > advised that, from time to time, it is invaded by Germany. > > > * -------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Eventually we come to a point where High Science becomes indistinguishable from High Magick" -NOT misquoting A.C. Clark, CORRECTLY quoting me! * -------------------------------------------------------------------- * http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~avariel uid : hsug-+AT+-ug.cs.sunysb.edu * -------------------------------------------------------------------- * ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 16:58:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Orelalaith To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: More copyright stuff Message-ID: Hmmm, I was wondering, for one of my classes I'm supposed to program a song that I like, I was thinkng of "Shadow-Lover", my prof is going to make a CD out of what we do (mostly for laughs since we've got 'instruments' like ufo sounds... :), but it's NOT going to be sold... is that ok? I suppose it's ok so long as I don't put it online? * -------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Eventually we come to a point where High Science becomes indistinguishable from High Magick" -NOT misquoting A.C. Clark, CORRECTLY quoting me! * -------------------------------------------------------------------- * http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~avariel uid : hsug-+AT+-ug.cs.sunysb.edu * -------------------------------------------------------------------- * ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 16:39:55 -0500 From: Julia Gray To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: More copyright stuff Message-ID: <371E45AA.18DA3195-+AT+-oakton.edu> It's my understanding that educational use has a much wider arena of what's allowed than "regular" use - so I think you'd be okay ....you're not doing it for profit, and you're doing it to learn about music, not to create a cd for mass distribution. If you want to be sure, though, try writing to the powers that be :-) betha'lis, wearing a deep maroon armband protesting the bloodshed over the last few months (somehow wearing a black one doesn't seem right....) Orelalaith wrote: > Hmmm, I was wondering, for one of my classes I'm supposed to program a > song that I like, I was thinkng of "Shadow-Lover", my prof is going to > make a CD out of what we do (mostly for laughs since we've got > 'instruments' like ufo sounds... :), but it's NOT going to be sold... is > that ok? I suppose it's ok so long as I don't put it online? > > * -------------------------------------------------------------------- * > "Eventually we come to a point where High Science becomes > indistinguishable from High Magick" > -NOT misquoting A.C. Clark, CORRECTLY quoting me! > * -------------------------------------------------------------------- * > http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~avariel > uid : hsug-+AT+-ug.cs.sunysb.edu > * -------------------------------------------------------------------- * ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 19:55:09 -0400 From: Darkmoon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: TMBG and questions Message-ID: <371E6559.47E24D65-+AT+-tidalwave.net> Heyla! It's Seuroqi. First of all, I'd just like to say that I disagree with the general opinion of the MLML, in that I actually like Storm Warning, at least - I just read it, and I think her characterization is very sound. Given what other people have had to say about my opinion of Knight of Ghosts and Shadows, I have come to the conclusion that I have absolutely atrocious taste in Mercedes books. *grin* > > << On a more general level, since lifebonding is a soulbonding of the > perfect match for your soul, I would think that both members of a > two-member lifebond would probably be similar, so if another one with a > similar soul came along and lifebonded to one of them, it would probably > stand to reason that they would lifebond to the other person too, since > they all would share similar souls (or something like that!)>> I disagree with this. And in Winds Of Fury, so does Stef. Compatible, yes, but not similar. This can be proven by the quote on page 101, "Van thinks that it's likelier that someone qith an extremely powerful Gift of some kind and a tendency to deep depression will be lifebonded than someone who is not so burdened and hag-ridden. That's so the Gifted-and-suicidal half has someone outside of himself to keep him stable and give him external focus." Okay. That's all I have to say for now. Seuroqi Kostanian Official Shepardess Of The Neon Pink Sheep ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 18:57:45 +0000 From: songrunner-+AT+-juno.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Companion Question (and a new question!) Message-ID: <19990421.190520.3654.1.Songrunner-+AT+-juno.com> Herald Katherine wrote: >in the mage storms trilogy, it's mentioned that there has never >before been two grove-born companions in valdemar at once. okay >that's all well and good, but isn't the monarch's companion supposed >to be grove-born? maybe i'm wrong but didn't they mention that when >Elspeth was chosen???? so doesn't that mean that Selenay should have >a grove born?? (can't remeber her companion's name) > >and if only the monarch's companion is grove born where does talia >get off with one?? hmmmm?? >okay okay i'm done, someone prove me wrong Actually, it's the Monarch's Own Companion that is always a grove-born, not the Monarch's. As for there never being more than one grove-born Companio in Valdemar at once, that's not true. When King Valdemar first performed the spell/prayer that began the Companion thing, three grove-born Companions appeared, and more kept appearing until there were enough that were being born naturally that they no longer needed to, except the Monarch's Own Companion. And after that, from what I remember, a grove-born Companion appears when it is needed - like for the first new Herald-Mage or something like that. There've probably been others, and hopefully Misty will write about them in the future. Thanks to everyone who corrected me on the life-bond thing - that was more or less what I was trying to say, but I just finished finals and my brain is fried, so nothing seems to be coming out of my head correctly lately. As for the last Owl book, sorry, it's not out yet. I don't think it'll be out for at least a few more months, unfortunately. Ahhh! Sometimes I just wish authors were able to write a book-a-day (okay, I guess one per month or so would be okay) and still be able to keep up the quality. I get so frustrated waiting for the next book in whichever series I'm currently reading to come out!!!!! Here's a couple of questions for everyone. First of all, how do Companions decide who Chooses each new Herald-to-be? Is it a totally random choice, whichever Companion is next age-wise or something (although I doubt that, using 'Fandes as an example of having not Chosen till after 10 years), or is it sort of like a life-bond (although very loosely) in which each Companion just KNOWS that they are supposed to Choose that particular person? I guess that wouldn't work either, since it mentions in the Winds books that the Companions were almost fighting over who would get to Choose the royal twins. Anyone have any suggestions? As for the other question. Well, I guess it's actually more of an observation. I was re-reading AotQ a couple months ago. At the beginning, when they're all at that Herald Revelry after Elspeth is officially designated as the Heir, when Talia, Dirk, and Kris first get to the party, there is a herald telling a story for his share of the entertainment. He is described as having twin white streaks of hair coming out of each temple. Is it just me, or does that sound like Eldan to anyone? I wonder if it was intentional or not? Okay, enough rambling for now. Zhai'helleva! Songrunner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 00:04:22 EDT From: "Crescent Moon" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Darkover books and lame obmisty & a question Message-ID: <19990422040423.11546.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> thanx for replying, but i don't think i phrased my last question correctly (sorry!). i meant, how do you have the kaled'a'in in Skan's series if they were created AFTER the Mage Wars? or was it a different war they were created after? ~*Crescentmoon*~ _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 22:21:26 +0000 From: songrunner-+AT+-juno.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Darkover books and lame obmisty & a question Message-ID: <19990421.222127.3598.1.Songrunner-+AT+-juno.com> They weren't created after the mage wars - actually, the Shin'a'in and the Taleydras are descended from the Kale'dain. The "modern" Kale'dain from White Gryphon are still called Kale'dain because they didn't split after the war. The Kale'dain existed before the Mage Wars - they just more or less flocked to Urtho's banner when the war started, and then ended up getting scattered when Urtho and Ma'ar were killed. Sorry if that didn't make much sense - I'm sort of in a hurry right now. Songrunner On Thu, 22 Apr 1999 05:18:00 +0100 (BST) "Crescent Moon" writes: >thanx for replying, but i don't think i phrased my last question >correctly (sorry!). i meant, how do you have the kaled'a'in in Skan's >series if they were created AFTER the Mage Wars? or was it a different > >war they were created after? > ~*Crescentmoon*~ > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:26:24 GMT From: "Li'nia Stormdancer" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Companion Question Message-ID: <19990422102625.106.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Heyla List-Sibs! *Soaking feet in tub of warm water, Li'nia sighs. :Hey, Li'nia, isn't there some kind of rule about not playing with electronics and water at the same time?: Styx asks, raising his head off his paws. "Yes, but since this is the Arena of Discussion and Dissention, the regular rules don't apply here. I mean, we have people running around dumping buckets of water on us at any given time... *g*."* Wolfshadow k'Vala wrote: >>Do you all forget King Valdemar, his son and his herald all had grove born companions? Most likely there were a number after that, at least untill there was a viable breeding stock. Thats asuming that companions as greater beings of light need a viable breeding stock:-)!!!!! <--- Look Five!<< Thank you for reminding me! Not being sarcastic; I honestly forgot, and don't have any of my books to reference here. Also, you scare me with the five "!"... :-) >>Does anyone know if the last of the Owls trilogy has come out yet? I havent seen it? And if it has, is it any good? (Like Misty could write a bad book)<< No, I don't think it's out yet. The latest book that I know of from Misty is "Werehunter". And you're right, I don't think she can write a bad book; there's just some I read more than others! Khenta B. aka Skyfire wrote: >>At least there are a few of them. Tayledras women, OTOH, are rather underrepresented . IIRC, there's Dawnfire and... Dawnfire (and she counts only once, despite varying forms.<< You're right, there aren't that many, although I recall some of Darkwind's fellow scouts were female, and there are some in the "Owl" books. >>One character I'd really like to meet is Firesong's mother, often quoted but never seen. << Yeah, I would too. I feel sorry for her; she must have pulled out a lot of hair with a child as Gifted and, ah, good-looking as Firesong. Krisy asked what Elvensteeds were. Welllll......they belong to the Elves (in Misty's Urban Fantasies), and can change their shape. So, although they're originally horses, they can transform into cars (no spoiling, you should read her Serrated Edge books, especially "Born to Run" to see what I mean) or whatever. I must add, however, that humans can be given one and it is a great honor. (Remember Keighvin offers one to Tannim?) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "Variety is the spice of life." - my father =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ~~Li'nia Stormdancer~~Stormdance k'T'more y Kuus~~Peon to the Powers That Be~~Devotee to the OoUH (Champion of FX and Altra)~~(Hopeful) Goddess of All Things Possessed~~Mindmate to Styx A'ska~~ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1941 **********************************