MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1948

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: Same sex pairings in Nature
	by Ralath <Ralath-+AT+-concentric.net>
  2) One More Try
	by Liss <half_asleep-+AT+-usa.net>
  3) RE: a new topic to talk about
	by Kenneth Allen Hyde <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
  4) Re: Test your knowledge . . .
	by "Lyssa Knox" <silverwing2-+AT+-hotmail.com>
  5) Re: homosexuality in ML
	by Becky Cary <recary-+AT+-phoenix.Princeton.EDU>
  6) Re: homosexuality in ML
	by lizzmail-+AT+-CloudWatcher.ST.HMC.Edu
  7) RE: a new topic to talk about
	by "Derrick O" <dali_s-+AT+-hotmail.com>
  8) Hey- Im a homosexual...
	by Rae Henderson <Rae-+AT+-gci-net.com>
  9) RE: a new topic to talk about
	by "L. J. Thompson" <ljt-+AT+-lclark.edu>
 10) Re: homosexuality in ML
	by Shawna Turner <minmei-+AT+-mail.music.vt.edu>
 11) Re: TMBG and questions
	by "Sorana Stargem" <bastet11-+AT+-hotmail.com>
 12) Hotmail Warning
	by "Li'nia Stormdancer" <lstormdancer-+AT+-hotmail.com>
 13) Braid: Colorado, LHM, What/Where, etc.
	by Margaret Kavanaugh <mak9-+AT+-ra.msstate.edu>
 14) Re: Queen's Own
	by "Tanya Evans" <tlevans-+AT+-home.com>
 15) Re: stuff
	by "Kristjan Wager" <kristjanwager-+AT+-hotmail.com>
 16) Re: Test your knowledge . . .
	by Abigail Laughlin <laughlina-+AT+-montreat.edu>
 17) Re: Columbine, Tarma and Kethry
	by Barbara Sorenson <barbara.sorenson-+AT+-m.jordan.k12.ut.us>

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 18:40:26 -0400
From: Ralath <Ralath-+AT+-concentric.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Same sex pairings in Nature
Message-ID: <37263CD9.6AB-+AT+-concentric.net>

Delurking

My understanding of the Kyree was they have 3 sexes, male female and
neuter.

Charles ( Ralath )


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Date: 27 Apr 99 15:15:11 PDT
From: Liss <half_asleep-+AT+-usa.net>
To: Mercedes Lackey Mailing List <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: One More Try
Message-ID: <19990427221511.19852.qmail-+AT+-nw179.netaddress.usa.net>

Hi!

Sorry if this message comes twice.  My program shows that it didn't go
through.  FYI - Ask Misty on Firebird says Owlknight will be out October 1999.
 Also, my comments on "Gays" reflect betha'alis.  I was using the wrong word. 
Very few of my homosexual friends are "gay".

Liss

******************

Heyla All!

Yes, it's me _again_.  Are you sick of my presence yet?

Rae Henderson wrote:
<I then decided that I had better take it easy with my imagination and try
to keep in within the lands in the books...>

Tell me about it!  I think that's one reason why I like Misty's books so much.
The places and characters are so vivid and lend themselves to imaginary
flights of fantasy.  Welcome to the list! *yeah, one newbie welcoming another.
 Oh well!

*beth'alis wrote:
<Do you think Misty is trying to the portrayal of saych characters in Misty's
work is "realistic" (within the genre of fantasy)?>

Like you said, I think the feelings are, but some of the characters are a
little over the top.  Most of my gay friends aren't super handsome and
outrageously flamboyant.  On the other hand, most of the Tayledras are
flamboyant, and that seems to be the shay'a'chern that you're referring to. 

betha'lis (there's that moving apostrophe) also wrote:
<obmisty - if kyrees are neuters (i hope I'm remembering this correctly),
then can they have pairings?  can you have a pairing that's non-sexual in
nature [intellectual or whatever]?>

Not all kyrees are neuters.  My impression when they are has always been that
they don't really pair.  Neuters are the adventurers of the species, the ones
that go out and do things.

*See Liss bounce off the walls* I _finally_ got my copy of Werehunter.  For
those who were interested in the story of Alberich's choosing that I was
talking about before, "Stolen Silver", it's in here.  It's been nice to read
the two SKitty stories that I missed and some other ones I've never seen. 

Anyways, I guess that's enough of my blathering.  *Liss offers double
chocolate brownie sheep to all in apology for not being able to keep her mouth
shut.*

Zhai'helleva!
Liss



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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 19:42:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Kenneth Allen Hyde <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
To: Misty Lackey List <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>
Subject: RE: a new topic to talk about
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.05.9904271923550.2208-100000-+AT+-copland.udel.edu>

On Tue, 27 Apr 1999, Lisa Whitman wrote:

> Something rather disturbing tho...in Northern California, Miller's Outpost
> (a popular clothing store for those of you who have not heard of it) can not
> keep Australian Dusters in stock.  They seem to be a BIG favorite of the
> goths of that area suddenly.  I'm sorry, but I cannot understand why a group
> who should know that they will be watched/persecuted, albeit unfairly, would
> TRY to exacerbate the situation by dressing as the people who started this
> particular persecution in the first place. 

This is probably very simplistic, but my experience with goths or
pseudo-goths is that much of what they do seems to be calculated for
effect.  The ones that I've talked to seemed to almost revel in being
"misunderstood" and "persecuted."  While I suppose there are some goths
who simply choose to dress as they do because black is a practical, easy
to care for, easy to coordinate color (okay, I'll admit it's not likely,
but if it was good enough for Granny Weatherwax!...*grin*), I also think
that most goths do seem to cultivate their outsider status.  

Essentially, there seems to be a sort of covert prestige in being a member
of a persecuted group and being a misfit.  So, I suppose, wearing clothes
that are guarenteed to increase their "misfitness" is understandable.
After all, to some extent, that's what many goths have been doing all
along.  This is not to dismiss the Goth subculture as being entirely
composed of fashion conscious poseur.  However, based on what I have seen
of it, there is a good portion of what I guess might be called
"pseudo-goths" who do seem to be more about image than anything else.  
And quite frankly they are more concerned about their appearance and their
style than the most dedicated pageant person or style queen. =)  It's just
a different style, that's all.

Ob misty:  Hmmm.  Well, I guess the most obvious Misty link to this is the
DT books.  And, come to think of it, the real occult types in those books
don't dress at all like goths.

May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit,

Cennydd
Councilor of Mist

Kenneth Allen Hyde     |  No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife
Univ. of Delaware      |  between the shoulder blades will seriously
Dept. of Linguistics   |  cramp his style  -- Old Jhereg proverb
kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu         |  A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me

//www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/prof/ken.html



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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 23:56:06 GMT
From: "Lyssa Knox" <silverwing2-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Test your knowledge . . .
Message-ID: <19990427235607.29059.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com>

Heyla!
Someone-i forget who-wrote:
What is Tarma and Kethry's cook's name?  (it is mentioned in 
Oathblood)

that would be David (i think)

AND...

i'm new, and something's been bothering me.....
WHAT'S WITH ALL THE SHEEP??????
fluffy sheep, chocolate sheep with minty centres, and orange sherbert 
sheep with sprinkles??????arg????????

someone else-i forgot again asked where on Velgarth would you live?

i would probably choose in k'Valdemar Vale ('sight-or 'flight?)

yet another someone asked what gift you would want

i would probably choose mindspeech, and mage-gift, and maybe empathy

ANOTHER someone asked what you would like to be

i would be Tayledras-and a Herald!

by the way...
my own question
Can Tayledrs be Chosen?i don't think its happened yet... but maybe...
Lyssa :o) 


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Date: 	Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:01:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: Becky Cary <recary-+AT+-phoenix.Princeton.EDU>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: homosexuality in ML
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.03.9904271951300.14764-100000-+AT+-yuma.princeton.edu>

A few things I've been musing about....

I don't know what gift I'd want. Probably Fetching, for when I forget and
lock my keys in the car, or leave the book I'm reading upstairs. Make
things much easier.

I'd always wondered about the three-genders-of-kyree thing myself. Do they
form triads for having and rearing pups? (Or do neuters just constantly
end up babysitting for their more fertile siblings?)

On Tue, 27 Apr 1999, Kenneth Allen Hyde wrote:

> (You will notice, btw, the
> obvious fact that, whatever she may write about "gays", Misty pretty much
> ignores lesbians except as minor characters with very little character
> development).  
This bothers me, and I wish she'd cut it out. (Although if it's a choice
between lesbians as relatively undeveloped minor characters or no lesbians
at all, I'll take undeveloped lesbians any day.) In her intro to
Oathblood, she mentions that most female fantasy lead characters from that
time tended to be big Conan types who shared Conan's taste in women, and
that she felt like it was time for a hetero heroine. However, those times
have passed (unless you count Xena!), and I think it would be nice to have
an interesting, significant lesbian character in a book or series of hers.

> I think it's great.  A nice meaty topic that we can really sink our teeth
> into. =)

Cennydd, whenever you start talking about sinking your teeth into
anything, I get nervous. (Remember, children, never look up to your
elders. It exposes your throat.)


Becky

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:11:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: lizzmail-+AT+-CloudWatcher.ST.HMC.Edu
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: homosexuality in ML
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.04.9904271655480.1171-100000-+AT+-CloudWatcher.ST.HMC.Edu>

 

On Tue, 27 Apr 1999, Julia Gray wrote:

> Do you think Misty is trying to the portrayal of saych characters in
> Misty's work is "realistic" (within the genre of fantasy)?
> 
> My general impression, as an a sort-of-outsider looking in, is that she
> does pretty well with the feelings - the emotions of falling in love, 
> the reactions of being seen as "different", the hurt that friends and
> family not understanding causes.
> 
Well! You certainly got everything started.  My comments, unfortuneately,
seem to be very similar to others that have been expressed.  First, I
think she does a fairly good job at portraying homosexuality.  I don't
know this for certain, though, because I know very few people who are
homosexual.  
A comment on Vanyel and his clothes collection:  Okay.  So I identified
with Van.  From the first time I read LHM in early high school.  At that
time, I had no idea what my sexuality was and that was not the reason I
identified with him.  I identified with him as outcast, from both family
and social, though it was worse for him than it ever was for me.  Now I
know my sexuality.  I'm bi.  That doesn't change how I identify with Van.

So.  Along this same thread.  I am currently in college at a place which
seems sort of like the Heralds Collegium in many ways.  It's filled with
intelligent, caring people, some of whom are as idealistic as the Heralds.
I know very few people here who claim heterosexuality.  Odd, right?  Okay,
so maybe half the people I know here are hetero.  I know about 1 who
claims homosexuality.  Everyone else is bi, to varying degrees.  My
question is, in a place as open and loving and, um, promiscuous as the
Collegium, why don't _more_ people claim not to be heterosexual?  Why is
it that every time another homosexual couple comes along the Heralds don't
accept it immediately as part of their everyday life?

Liseth


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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:51:54 PDT
From: "Derrick O" <dali_s-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: RE: a new topic to talk about
Message-ID: <19990428005154.94322.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com>


Something rather disturbing tho...in Northern California, Miller's 
Outpost
(a popular clothing store for those of you who have not heard of it) 
can not
keep Australian Dusters in stock.  They seem to be a BIG favorite of 
the
goths of that area suddenly.  I'm sorry, but I cannot understand why a 
group
who should know that they will be watched/persecuted, albeit unfairly, 
would
TRY to exacerbate the situation by dressing as the people who started 
this
particular persecution in the first place.  <<shrug>>  It seems like a 
slap
in the face and in extremely poor taste.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
First Goths have been wearing dusters and trenchcoats LONG before 
anyone heard of the trenchcoat mafia or any related group to that. 
Goth's buying them is not a new thing and most the goths I know have 
stopped wearing their trenchcoats, dusters, or long jackets since the 
killings so they don't get accused of anything. 
Second the current run on such items is not by goths, but by wannabe 
goths and gangsters who think wearing a trenchcoat will make them look 
tough and becuase the MEDIA has been playing it up so much. Once again 
someone has heard a mis-told piece of information and goes straight to 
blaming people not responsible.
I know I do not nor can I speak for all goths or like minded people 
out there, goths are trying to seperate themselves from these people 
in every way possible and it is those wannabe teanie boppers who now 
BECAUSE OF THE MEDIA think it is cool and rebelious to buy black 
dusters to be rebelious! That's all I'll say on the matter and I 
promise not to make any more posts on the subject.
                -Derrick

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 18:23:52 -0700
From: Rae Henderson <Rae-+AT+-gci-net.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Hey- Im a homosexual...
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990427182352.007a5d50-+AT+-gci-net.com>

Greetings all... I'm finally seeing a post- or a rather long string of them
that are right up my alley... if you look at my web page it blows 'my big
secret' (just kidding on the secret thing)(www.gci-net.com/users/r/rae)
that I happen to be a lesbian and this is something I have been curious
about...

: Kenneth Allen Hyde <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>wrote: (You will notice, btw, the
obvious fact that, whatever she may write about "gays", Misty pretty much
ignores lesbians except as minor characters with very little character
development).  
Why *is* there only *minor* concentration on the lesbian aspect of
homosexuality? When I read Oathbound and Oathbreakers I was hoping all the
while for a pairing for Tarma and Kethry... Van and Ty were wonderful and I
was sooo happy at that point in my life to see a positive and somewhat
realistic example of homosexuality in literature.
THAT is the first thing that perked my interest in our beloved ML.

I dont think that the gay community- or any community- can be labeled ...
everyone is different.. we can say these people are this way and those
people are that way but we are all individuals and if the characters in
mistys books are flamboyant then so be it... 
I can be flamboyant too.. but I also like to slide right into the
stereotype and show off my tattoos, wear cut off blue jean shorts and
muscle shirts...
so I say HOORAY for any and every positive gay/lesbian character in our
fantasy genre...




"Please remember that religions are made up of people, most of whom have
very little control over what their priests decree is doctrine. Keep in
mind that given that the priest and people have free will and the means to
exercise it, gods may not always be able to control their priests either.
So what the priests say, and the people believe, is not always the whole
truth."   Unknown


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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:04:35 -0700
From: "L. J. Thompson" <ljt-+AT+-lclark.edu>
To: "'mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk'" <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: RE: a new topic to talk about
Message-ID: <01BE90E9.425CA4A0-+AT+-BASIL>

Cennydd said:
>This is probably very simplistic, but my experience with goths or
>pseudo-goths is that much of what they do seems to be calculated for
>effect.  The ones that I've talked to seemed to almost revel in being
>"misunderstood" and "persecuted."  While I suppose there are some goths
>who simply choose to dress as they do because black is a practical, easy
>to care for, easy to coordinate color (okay, I'll admit it's not likely,
>but if it was good enough for Granny Weatherwax!...*grin*), I also think
>that most goths do seem to cultivate their outsider status.

Actually, I wear black so often that people often ask me if I'm a Goth (I'm 
not, at least not intentionally, and I can't stand the music that I see as 
being associated with Goths) because it is a very simple color to 
coordinate and it looks good on me. My mom didn't buy me black clothes when 
I was little, but as soon as I was old enough to pick out my own clothes, I 
bought black ones, and I never stopped. Recently, I've branched out some 
into brown and I've always had clothes in blue and purple, but I could go a 
least a week or two wearing only black before I'd have to do laundry. (I 
think I own a grand total of 2 pairs of pants that aren't black, one pair 
is navy and the other is brown. ) So there really are people out there who 
aren't trying to be Goth, who just like black. Hmmm.....now how to tie this 
to the list topic........oh I have a question, I remember now. I just got 
the Heralds, Harpers & Havoc songbook, and I was disappointed by the lack 
of chord diagrams and picking patterns for guitar. All it had was a vocal 
line with the names of guitar chords over them, which basically means that 
I get to go look up the chords, because I'm not that great of a guitar 
player. Is the Lovers, Lore & Loss songbook like that too? Or does it have 
more information for guitarists? Heralds, Harpers & Havoc seemed to 
basically be a vocal book. Of course, I'll go buy the other songbook 
regardless, but it would be nice to know what it's like. Well, I've wasted 
enough bandwidth for one day.




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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:05:51 -0700
From: Shawna Turner <minmei-+AT+-mail.music.vt.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: homosexuality in ML
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990427200551.008e3198-+AT+-mail.music.vt.edu>

At 01:38 AM 4/28/99 +0100, lizzmail-+AT+-CloudWatcher.ST.HMC.Edu (aka Liseth)
wrote:
 
>A comment on Vanyel and his clothes collection:  Okay.  So I identified
>with Van.  From the first time I read LHM in early high school.  At that
>time, I had no idea what my sexuality was and that was not the reason I
>identified with him.  I identified with him as outcast, from both family
>and social, though it was worse for him than it ever was for me.  Now I
>know my sexuality.  I'm bi.  That doesn't change how I identify with Van.

Heyla all... 
*Starmane delurks, and decides that this really is a post she can't resist
replying too..*

I too identified with Van(female as i am), also was in high school, prolly
right around junior year. My father fit the comment about wearing the same
clothing every day and not knowing or caring to a tee, and being furious
that i did. Amazingly enough, that's one of the reasons i was so attracted
to Lackey as an author, was she dealt with abuse with a no holds barred
approach, and showed point blank that if you don't like the scenery, you
HAVE to get up and walk. It really helped me to kick myself in the butt
when i needed to leave. I don't know if sexuality really has to do with
most people's attraction to Van's character, and IMSHO, it's the same for
Talia... if you read it at the right point in your life, his/her
differences simply make you able to look at your life and realize that;
yes, it REALLY could be worse.... Van's life/love mess certainly was!

>So.  Along this same thread.  I am currently in college at a place which
>seems sort of like the Heralds Collegium in many ways.  It's filled with
>intelligent, caring people, some of whom are as idealistic as the Heralds.
>I know very few people here who claim heterosexuality.  Odd, right?  Okay,
>so maybe half the people I know here are hetero.  I know about 1 who
>claims homosexuality.  Everyone else is bi, to varying degrees.  My
>question is, in a place as open and loving and, um, promiscuous as the
>Collegium, why don't _more_ people claim not to be heterosexual?  Why is
>it that every time another homosexual couple comes along the Heralds don't
>accept it immediately as part of their everyday life?

Now, i'm tempted to point out the logistics of acceptible boundarys as
imposed upon authors, but i think i'll skip that! *laughs at sigh of relief
that wanders the hall* 

If i had to put main reasons down, it's for a few reasons. I think the
first would be the comfort that one can obtain from same sex peer group
isn't as restrictive as 'polite society' here would be. So less pressure on
the situation. Another main reason would be an assumption based reason. If
you assume that a lot of the cultural mores that we have in our world work
on Valdemar, it would cover a lot. Such as the ideal of 'true love' passed
down to us from parent/social/peer groups is that of 2 people, generally
considered/expected to be opposite sex. I fall back on the words given to
Vanyel when he was in the Vale in MPawn. Paraphrased as: 'That while they
happen in nature, same sex pairings alone are not good for the propogation
of the species.' So if one goes along the line that we exist for the
propogation of our genetics, most of the eventual pairings would be
opposite sex, while the same sex relations would be more accepted, but over
all percentage wise, also end up being transient....

*climbs off soapbox, sheepishly hands it off, and sends sheep shaped mint
truffles to all*

Starmane
------------------------------------------

Up here it is better to forget early days
It is enough to ache from damp mornings
To ache from memories too
Is more than a man can bear

------------------------------------------

It's gonna be alright, 
It's almost midnight, 
And I've got two more bottles of wine. 

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:10:26 PDT
From: "Sorana Stargem" <bastet11-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: TMBG and questions
Message-ID: <19990428051028.12258.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com>

Heyla all!

Rhiannon Shadowsong wrote:
>And as for how they half of the bond dies, usually they kind of waste
>away.  'Lendel commit suicide, you recall, and when the Herald-Mages
>were all being killed Fandes said something along the lines of "they
>usually have time to say goodbye..." blah blah blah, and then they
>decided that if the death was sudden, it was possible that the
>Companions could just keel over, like the first one did. I can't 
>recall either his name, or his Chosen, but I'm too lazy to go look 
>it up.  

 The Companion was named Rohan, and his Chosen was Herald-Mage 
Kilchas. That's from my memory, so I may be off on the Companions 
name, but the other is definately Kilchas!


Warning: This next part has nothing whatsoever to do with Misty, so 
no one has to read it if they don't want to.

Someone I don't know who because they never even seem to have a use-
name on their sig wrote:
>On Fri, 23 Apr 1999, Sorana Stargem wrote:
>
>> atrocious
>> >taste in Mercedes books.  *grin*
>> 
>>  Well, _I_ don't think so! _I_ happen to _like_ 'Knight of Ghosts 
and 
>> Shadows' and 'Summoned to Tourney', and the Storms trilogy, _and_ 
>> 'Owlflight'!
>>  You shouldn't go by the people who _didn't_ like the book. What 
I've 
>> noticed is that most of the people who _did_ like it don't speak 
up 
>> as much. 
>> Or at least, that's what I've assumed. It's the only I can think 
of 
>> to explain it. Confusing, huh? <G>
>
>Not really, that's why politics is so stupid... the moderate, logical
>people don't speak up until things are going REALLY bad...

 Hmmm....I always thought that it was because most of the politicians 
in Congress are idiots. Especially the Republicans....The Democrats 
can be pretty bad too though. I usually just end up wanting to smack 
them _all_ over the head with a nice, thick 2x4 to get some sense 
into them. Too bad it woudn't work...~sigh~ Although it would be very 
satisfying to do that to Slade Gorton. I wrote him a very polite 
letter about a bill or referendum or whatever that was coming up 
several years ago. My whole family did. My mom and I got a letter 
back. One for the both of us. I have _never_ been so insulted in my 
LIFE! (And since I'm only 15 I expect that situation will be fixed at 
somepoint.) I swear that if he had anything to do about it, those of 
us who were old enough would be kept barefoot and pregnant; slaves to 
our Masterful, All Powerful Husbands. And those who weren't would be 
sat in a corner to look pretty with a vapid smile on our faces and 
neither way would we be allowed to speak or even think!!!!!!!!
 And I apologize to any of you who may like Slade Gorton, for any 
possible offense I may have given. 


 Well, I was going to say something one the subject of Misty's shaych 
chars, but most of it was said already by other people, and the few 
things I have thought about adding are probably of no help or 
interest to anyone, so I'll just shut up now and leave everyone to go 
about their own business. ~holds her tongue before she can 
sayanything she might regret.~

 Stars light your path,
  Sorana S. Stargem 
Herald-trainee,              %-+AT+-"So free for a moment 
High Priestess to the Goddess%-+AT+-Lost somewhere between the earth and  
of Unicorns,                 %-+AT+-the sky 
Goddess of Flions,           %-+AT+-So free for a moment 
Knight of Amber and Marigold,%-+AT+-Lost because I want to be lost 
Knight of the OOUH           %-+AT+-Don't try to find me" --The Martinis 
http://www.angelfire.com/wa/mylagoon/index.html 
 
 
 
 
 
 


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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 02:29:05 GMT
From: "Li'nia Stormdancer" <lstormdancer-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: amythystfire-+AT+-usa.net, nunimato-+AT+-hotmail.com, dreamsoffire-+AT+-yahoo.com,
Subject: Hotmail Warning
Message-ID: <19990428022909.10671.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com>

Heyla All!

I just wanted to give people a heads up that Hotmail is once again 
doing something wierd with people's accounts.  Right now, I just 
logged in to find that all my messages in my account have been 
erased; folders, inbox, trash, everything.  I'm not the only one, 
either.  I'm thankful it didn't erase my addresses!  Anyway, I just 
wanted to warn you all that I think it's acting up again.......

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 
"Variety is the spice of life." - my father 
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 
~~Li'nia Stormdancer~~Stormdance k'T'more y Kuus~~Peon to the Powers 
That Be~~Devotee to the OoUH (Champion of FX and Altra)~~(Hopeful) 
Goddess of All Things Possessed~~Mindmate to Styx A'ska~~ 
 
AND VERY PISSED HOTMAIL USER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (I know, many "!"s)

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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 02:42:23 -0500
From: Margaret Kavanaugh <mak9-+AT+-ra.msstate.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Braid: Colorado, LHM, What/Where, etc.
Message-ID: <3726BBD9.D43D31F-+AT+-ra.msstate.edu>

~~Newbie delurking~~

Lisa Whitman (Star) wrote:

> Something rather disturbing tho...in Northern California, Miller's
> Outpost
> (a popular clothing store for those of you who have not heard of it)
> can not
> keep Australian Dusters in stock.  They seem to be a BIG favorite of
> the
> goths of that area suddenly. <snip>

    This isn't that surprising to me.  Suddenly, the "outcasts" of the
school are no longer ignored.  Even being feared is better than being
invisible.  Most of the trenchcoat-wearing people that I know just wear
them to annoy the Campus Police.  One of our officers made the mistake of
commenting that they could not be seen at night.

obmisty

    I just started the LHM series, and I noticed that Van reminds me of
the son that Lancelot tries to rescue in "Monty Python's Quest for the
Holy Grail."  Well, ok, Van is far more striking, intelligent, and not
pathetic, but other than that they are sort of similar. Am I crazy or do
ya'll see it also?

    I think I would like to be a blue with mindspeech and to end up a
priestess with a firecat Bondmate in the reformed Karse.

     I'm probably going to get flamed over the Van comment so the newbie
bucket of water will put out the flames :)

Chocolate-covered, Peppermint Cream Sheep to you all,

     Margaret




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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:53:42 -0400
From: "Tanya Evans" <tlevans-+AT+-home.com>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Queen's Own
Message-ID: <000001be9172$870b0c20$23040618-+AT+-baycty1.mi.home.com>

Derrik O said:

> I don't know I've been wondering on that one myself. My thought on it
> is that maybe since the link between teh companion and the chosen
> trainee is still new and not as strong as it could be, the chosen
> might be able to choose again and not die when the connection with the
> trainee is broken. That's the only explation I can think of, but I'm
> probably wrong *L*
>              -Derrick

Well if you remember Companions can choose to break the connection between
themselves  and thier Chosen, Gala repudiated Tylendal, while this is a bad
example, it proves it can be done.  I would assume that if the breaking of
the link was amicable for both the Companion and the Chosen then there would
be very few ill effects for either. 'nuff said.  Though I have no evidence
to support such a statement, its purely conjecture on my part.

I also stand corrected on the 'Fandes thing.  I had re-read it wrong, guess
I need to go back to Herald Orentation (or however ya spell it) =>


Ellevaranachai Shay'Nara'Val
Herald Trainee, Bard Wannabe
Rethwellan by Nature, Chosen by Virtue




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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 06:22:32 PDT
From: "Kristjan Wager" <kristjanwager-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: stuff
Message-ID: <19990428132232.83812.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com>

Hi listsibs

Margaret wrote:
>I just started the LHM series, and I noticed that Van reminds me of
the son that Lancelot tries to rescue in "Monty Python's Quest for the
Holy Grail."  Well, ok, Van is far more striking, intelligent, and not
pathetic, but other than that they are sort of similar. Am I crazy or 
do ya'll see it also?<
 Bite your tongue... Well, I can see your point, but still - did you 
really have to compare those two. I mean - that son was truly 
pathetic (sp?), nothing like Van at all. Could you even consider that 
wimp standing up to his father in any way?   

Riannon wrote
>As far as I know, the candlemarks about equal the Karsite water 
marks,
Thanks, that tells us a lot. <grin> I always thought a candlemark was 
about an hour. Actually a candlemark could be any length, it's just 
marks in a candle to mark the time - hence the name.

she also wrote
>DON'T EVEN MENTION THE FANTASY VS LITERATURE DEBATE.  That was the
>nasties, bitterest fight I've seen online.  Usually people just get 
off the list, but that guy had to get personal.  ::shudders::  
Something nice and safe, like the eternal Companion reincarnation 
debate that comes up with every newbie.  Of course, that is getting 
tiresome.  But it's safe and harmless.  No blood or broken bones have 
ever resulted, to my knowledge.
Well people asked for something with a bit of a bite in it, and you 
have to admit there was some bite(s) in that particular debate.

someone complained about hotmail (again)
well, you are lucky some time ago hotmail lost 35 million accounts, 
so it could be worse. It is rumored that the hotmail problems this 
time are because of a change to Linux on the hotmail servers ( bet 
Bill Gates love that ), so we can hope the troubles are over soon.

someone asked about the sheep thing:
I think it is in the newbiefest, but anyway: Misty uses a lot of 
sheep jokes in her books, so someone started using sheepish remarks, 
and then it went downhill... Just think of it as our particular 
flavor.

that's all for now I suppose
sheepflavored danish to everyone
Absalon
member of OLW and OoUH ( champion of Lissa )

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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:05:24 -0400
From: Abigail Laughlin <laughlina-+AT+-montreat.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Test your knowledge . . .
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990428100524.00805100-+AT+-mail.montreat.edu>

Along the lines of who would you be/what Gifts would you have/where would
you live... I'd be my Queen's Own persona (currently still under
development), a farmgirl-cum-Herald with Mindspeech, Animal Mindspeech, and
some funky low-level foresight. Complete with satisfactory fighting and
woodscraft skills, temper, lack of tact, and somewhat overbearing but
well-meaning friends. :)

<<Can Tayledrs be Chosen?i don't think its happened yet... but maybe...>>

This one came up on the Queen's Circle list (the egroups list we set up for
people making Queen's Own personas to band together and conversate) more
than once. I have a theory; being Tayledras and being a Herald would just
be too much coolness for any one person to bear. And if all that coolth
didn't kill the person in question, imagine the life they'd lead--you know
how it is, the cooler the character, the more hell you have to put 'em
through to justify being so generous. 

Also, before the end of Storms, Tayledras probably couldn't be Chosen
because of their commitment to the Star-Eyed... they had purposes already,
and becoming Protectors of Valdemar would conflict with that. They're most
of them really great people, but their purpose in life does not involve
white uniforms and four-hooved Guardian Spirits--not even Darkwind, who
left the Pelagirs altogether and shows no intentions of going back. Now, of
course, the Tayledras don't have to wander around purifying the Pelagirs,
but I personally would be pretty disappointed with Misty if she started
getting them Chosen. Unless she handled it really well.

Zha'hai'allav'a,
Raven Darkblade
And her .sig


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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:55:42 -0600
From: Barbara Sorenson <barbara.sorenson-+AT+-m.jordan.k12.ut.us>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Columbine, Tarma and Kethry
Message-ID: <37272165.FC15B79A-+AT+-m.jordan.k12.ut.us>

Dear List-sibs,

Since my comments would have been limited to "Uh,
huh...yeah...what s/he said..." I haven't poked my nose out
of the sheep-pile recently.  But, I thought I'd add a
little...

Columbine: (skip if you wish)

I work for a School District in Utah (DISCLAIMER HERE: I am
NOT expressing School District Policy or anything
else...just my own opinions and, well, rumors...Please take
that into consideration...) Anyway, one of the many
dismaying things about the Columbine tragedy is that almost
every middle and high school in my District has been
threated with the same action -- to me, that means that
there are enough sick kids out there to not only see how sad
and wrong blowing up your entire school is, but now they
would like to do the same to their school.  Frightening!
And what's with the parents who claim they knew nothing
about this -- I would HOPE I would notice a sudden plethora
of guns and bombs in MY basement!

Speaking of which, did you-all hear that they hauled four
kids in and out of court in orange suits and chains for
threatening to bomb their school.?  As one of my co-workers
put it, Good!  I'd rather see my kids in chains than killing
people!

Anyway, rant and rave over.  It just baffles me....

Tarma and Kethry:

Rae Henderson said:
>When I read Oathbound and Oathbreakers I was hoping all the

>while for a pairing for Tarma and Kethry...

I'd have to disagree with you on that one - I think part of
the premise of Tarma and Kethry was that there *could* be a
pair of females working together *without* sex (the act of,
as well as the gender) being important - especially because
Tarma, being sword-sworn, became sexless - essentially a
neuter.  That was part of why Warrl bonded to *her* instead
of Keth....Besides which, where would Kerowyn come from
without Keth and her husband (Jarmak? something like that -
Ah!  *Must reread...*)  :)

Ellevaranachai Shay'Nara'Val said about Monarch's Own being
chosen from the trainees:  (and thank heavens for copy and
paste for that name! :) )
>Well if you remember Companions can choose to break the
connection between
>themselves  and thier Chosen, Gala repudiated Tylendal,
while this is a bad
>example, it proves it can be done.  I would assume that if
the breaking of
>the link was amicable for both the Companion and the Chosen
then there would
>be very few ill effects for either.

I think we touched on this a while back with Jisa - Van's
daughter - Remember he told her "parents" what her gifts
were, and said she could be chosen soon, but it would be an
"unbonded choosing" so she could get the training, asuming
that Taver would choose her to be Monarch's Own...

Wow! Long post! (At least for me.)  *Dives back into the
sheep pile. A voice echoes, "Sheep truffles to all!"  Which
come floating gently down from the cealing...*

Barbara



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