MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1963 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) New idea, part 2 by "Kristjan Wager" 2) mercedes lackey's books by stefanie macpherson 3) RE: mercedes lackey's books by Imran Ansari 4) politics, mageschool, and books by "Wolfshadow K'Vala" 5) Re: mercedes lackey's books by Kaos95-+AT+-aol.com 6) Re: just about everything... by Julia Gray 7) Re: politics, mageschool, and books by Margaret Kavanaugh 8) Kosovo and a number of other gloomy things- hope you've a kestra'chern nearby by "Crescent Moon" 9) Hi. by "Talia Alanna Riverdance" 10) RE: mercedes lackey's books by "Talia Alanna Riverdance" 11) Re: Hi. by EarthSongW-+AT+-aol.com 12) Boo! by Yvonne 13) Re: Hi. by "Jamie Jacobs" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 01:58:24 PDT From: "Kristjan Wager" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: New idea, part 2 Message-ID: <19990512085824.15159.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Hi listsibs Well, my idea of an index page for the listmembers homepages seems to find acceptence, so I'll make one anytime now.. Actually the first draft already exists at www.angelfire.com/wa/Absalon I would like to get more URLs, and would also like to add the URLs of the different orders, so mail me PRIVATELY with all of them. Well the obmisty: Does anyone have any idea of what the differences in the schools of magic are. Áre they just in the moral codex, or are there also different types of magic belonging to different schools? Zen hugging sheep to everyone. Absalon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 06:47:53 -0700 (PDT) From: stefanie macpherson To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: mercedes lackey's books Message-ID: <19990512134753.22522.rocketmail-+AT+-web308.yahoomail.com> I recently started reading her books and I love them! I started reading the Magic series first with Vanyel. I loved them and so I continued reading. I wasn't too fond of the Oath series. I loved the Arrows series. I am now reading the Wind series. I am really enjoying them and can't wait to read for the next one. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 14:16:37 +0000 From: Imran Ansari To: "'mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk'" Subject: RE: mercedes lackey's books Message-ID: <99May12.141653gmt.17033-+AT+-gateway.mother.co.uk> Am I on the right list here - Mercedes as in Mercedes Benz automobiles? -----Original Message----- From: stefanie macpherson [SMTP:bookfan5-+AT+-yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 3:15 PM To: imran.ansari-+AT+-mother.co.uk Subject: mercedes lackey's books I recently started reading her books and I love them! I started reading the Magic series first with Vanyel. I loved them and so I continued reading. I wasn't too fond of the Oath series. I loved the Arrows series. I am now reading the Wind series. I am really enjoying them and can't wait to read for the next one. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 17:37:10 GMT From: "Wolfshadow K'Vala" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: politics, mageschool, and books Message-ID: <19990512173711.34695.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Kristjan Wager wrote Does anyone have any idea of what the differences in the schools of magic are. Áre they just in the moral codex, or are there also different types of magic belonging to different schools? As far as I remember, in storms warning An`deshina (spelling) was describing to the blues that mage schools were places that a)trained potential mages b)stored mage energy for the masters of the school(assuming they were not adepts and couldn't access nodes. From what we saw of the white winds, blue mountain schools, it seems to be based upon philosophical beliefs. On monarchies, while I really doubt that misty would have any princess needing rescue, monarchies are a fairly historical form of government for any pre-industrial society. Valdamar reminds me more of a constitutional monarchy than an absolute one. Plus in a fantasy setting with firecats, companions, avatars+goddess sworn, and king choosing swords, what place does a case of slovadon malosavich (he was elected!!!!!) have? Or a communist society(assuming you could get one to run for long enough)? Tanya Evans wrote Shin'an'in or Taleydras (hope I spelled those right) could hardly be considered a monarchy. I agree, as to what each are... Shin'an'in: clan structure, loose confederation overall. Taleydras: confederation of independant villages, with a village councle I dont know what names to put to these. Katie McQuage wrote: I've always been throroughly ashamed to be an American. We suck. I want to secede. Speaking as an American Citizen, I am proud of our country. We do have some problems, Im the first to admit, but we are one of the best nations on this green earth. I wont keep this up much longer. Also instead of complaining, and "secede"ing, do something about it. Write letters send e-mail, make phone calls, and for all our sakes VOTE!!!!! Its your right as an American Citizen, and your Duty. And anyway, when was the last time you say a herald, a halkbrother, a bard, healer, even one of the blues run away? No they stayed and took the chalange. So I challenge you. You see problems? Look for answers, and implament them. Again sorry to everyone on the list about that, I had to. On a lighter note, I have to boast!! I just found at the book barn (used book store in Niantic Ct. USA) in hard cover By the sword, The Last Herald-Mage trilogy (one volume) and the Queens Own trilogy (also one volume) and Vows and Honors (one volume duology). Even better than that! They were each $1. Thats right, one!!! Sorry no obmisty, schools out and brain has shut down! Wind to your wings Wolfshadow K'Vala _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 16:15:39 EDT From: Kaos95-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: mercedes lackey's books Message-ID: <3a0591b0.246b3b6b-+AT+-aol.com> if you want the cars then no, you're not on the right list. this is a ml for fans of the author mercedes lackey...sorry =) tetyhan P.S. thanx to everyone who answered my e-mail....your advice was very helpful =) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 16:25:48 -0500 From: Julia Gray To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: just about everything... Message-ID: <3739F1DB.1BACE3AD-+AT+-oakton.edu> Angela Doyon wrote [a lot, but here is a few things I'm responding to :-]: > As for the gods/goddesses question, here's a completely random and > pointless thought. Couldn't the whole thing occur because of a > multi-split personality? Hey - it could happen! Of course, the thought > of all the deities of the world being rather insane doesn't sit too > well.... I can just see it now. One personality arguing with another > over how "their" chosen people should be governed over by them, > eventually leading to the "rules" of no warring deities.... Anyway. Well, they wouldn't necessarily have to be split personalities. Humans (and perhaps gods) present different faces in different social situations. For example, you probably act differently around your friends than you do around your parents. And you probably act differently around your best friend than around someone you don't know that well. But all those faces you present are you. Although the diety list is too long to suggest there are only two gods (one male and one female), it could be that several are different faces (like the four faces that Tarma had in the tent) of the same god or goddess. Just a thought. > > > I'm under the impression that the Companions, although they know a bit > more than mortals, don't know everything. They've got their flaws too, > and just because they are a type of avatar for the Valdemaran gods > (whoever they might be!) doesn't mean that they know the minds of those > deities. Remember, when Dawnfire became an avatar she was made to have > teachers to learn what she needed to do as an avatar, and she still > didn't understand all that much. I'm assuming that the companions only > know what they need to know to help their Chosen and Valdemar. The fact > that the Shin'ain goddess is possibly just another facet of their own > deities doesn't really seem to fall under "necessary"knowledge. I quoted all of this because I found all of it interesting and plausible. I also wonder if the companions are given/told the basics, and it's their experience as companions that gives them the knowledge of what to do. Okay, to draw a parallel here - say there's a job out there that you are hired to work on - let's call this job "diety/human nondirect interface". The job description is mainly "do other jobs as assigned", but expects you to have certain skills before you start. You have those skills,either have or are given some very basic background information, and then let lose to perform your job. Most of what you really need to know to do your job you pick up as you do your job. Until you come to a situation, you can't know what to do about it exactly - you draw on skills and experience. The more experience you have, the better off you'll be - and the skills will come (hopefully) from the experience. I'm not sure if this is making sense -- but it explains a little bit why Gwena was kinda inept. WINDS SPOILER * * * * * * She didn't have the skills from a previous life, nor that much experience from this life to draw on. * * * * * * * end spoiler a few thoughts Betha'lis, one who lurks often *godiva ice cream sheep to all* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 18:01:41 -0500 From: Margaret Kavanaugh To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: politics, mageschool, and books Message-ID: <373A084E.84D494E6-+AT+-ra.msstate.edu> --------------9AC68CF6BE4D24A95A93B08A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Listsibs!!!!!! Wolfshadow K'Vala wrote: Also instead of complaining, and "secede"ing, do something about it. Write letters send e-mail, make phone calls, and for all our sakes VOTE!!!!! Its your right as an American Citizen, and your Duty. And anyway, when was the last time you say a herald, a halkbrother, a bard, healer, even one of the blues run away? No they stayed and took the challenge. So I challenge you. You see problems? Look for answers, and implement them. Yeah!! You go Wolfshadow! On my 18th birthday, the first thing I did when I got to school was registered to vote. I'm proud to say that I helped in evacuate Fob James from of Office!!!! *Sits back down* Sorry Post Exam mania :) obmisty... On Valgerth politics... I can't really think of a political system that would work better in Valdemar then the Herald/Companion/Monarchy. Corruption is extremely unlikely, the Monarch has the benefit of the Kingdom in mind when s/he acts. They might be able to do the clan system, but I doubt it would work on that large a scale. As I've been reading Owlflight [not a spoiler... at least I don't think it is], I keep wondering how much time has "passed" since WFury. It seems like some time would have to have passed for Darkwind and Elspeth to be admired almost to mythic proportions by Darian. I think that Julia Gray's comments on the deities make a lot of sense. It's more comforting a thought than the God(s)/Goddess(es) having split personalities :) I have to take apart my Computer to get it home so this might be my last post for a bit * groans and cheers from the arena of discussion and dissension :-) * Butterscotch, chocolate mint swirl sheep 'til I get back!! :) *The end theme to Life of Brain can be heard as she exits "Always look on the bright side of life..." * Margaret Protector of all things Monty Python (unless previously claimed) :) --------------9AC68CF6BE4D24A95A93B08A Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Listsibs!!!!!!

Wolfshadow K'Vala wrote:
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Also instead of complaining, and "secede"ing, do something about it.  Write letters send e-mail, make phone calls, and for all our sakes VOTE!!!!!  Its your right as an American Citizen, and your Duty.  And anyway, when was the last time you say a herald, a halkbrother, a bard, healer, even one of the blues run away?  No they stayed and took the challenge.  So I challenge you.  You see problems? Look for answers, and implement them.

Yeah!!  You go Wolfshadow!  On my 18th birthday, the first thing I did when I got to school was registered to vote.  I'm proud to say that I helped in evacuate Fob James from of Office!!!! *Sits back down*  Sorry Post Exam mania :)

obmisty...

On Valgerth politics...

I can't really think of a political system that would work better in Valdemar then the Herald/Companion/Monarchy.  Corruption is extremely unlikely, the Monarch has the benefit of the Kingdom in mind when s/he acts.  They might be able to do the clan system, but I doubt it would work on that large a scale.
 

As I've been reading Owlflight [not a spoiler... at least I don't think it is], I keep  wondering how much time has "passed" since WFury.  It seems like some time would have to have passed for Darkwind and Elspeth to be admired almost to mythic proportions by Darian.
 

I think that Julia Gray's comments on the deities make a lot of sense.  It's more comforting a thought than the God(s)/Goddess(es) having split personalities :)

I have to take apart my Computer to get it home so this might be my last post for a bit * groans and cheers from the arena of discussion and dissension :-) *

Butterscotch, chocolate mint swirl sheep 'til I get back!! :)  *The end theme to Life of Brain can be heard as she exits "Always look on the bright side of life..." *
 

Margaret
Protector of all things Monty Python (unless previously claimed) :)
  --------------9AC68CF6BE4D24A95A93B08A-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 21:15:18 EDT From: "Crescent Moon" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Kosovo and a number of other gloomy things- hope you've a kestra'chern nearby Message-ID: <19990502011519.3906.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> This has nothing to do with Misty, btw...well, maybe a little but not much, so if you're not in the mood to be depressed, don't read on. *sigh* as i'm sure a lot of you know (i think, actually i'm not sure) i am a Muslim myself, and the deaths of the Kosovars has so deply afected me i never get any sleep anymore...why must the human race be so, so, so- detestable?!?! (i'm sure i'm echoeing someone else's comments) it's just not fair to the Kosovars (i know, i know, life isn't fair, but what the heck, so many horrible things are happening at once! the denver tragedy, the columbine shooting, [were they the same thing? i didn't pay attention to the details, if i did, i would need the services of a kestra'chern very soon] the conflict in Kosovo- what the heck is wrong with the people in the world today?!?!? why do they want to kill people? innocent people?? why? why are people so filled with hatred? racism? dang it, i don't care what people THINK, but why must they kill people because of their beliefs? the people in Kosovo....the school shootings, and may i emphasive 'school'?! just kids, killing clasmates and teachers, making pipe bombs, wanting to crash a plane, what the heck is wrong with the world today? why-- oh, i've said that too much already. i should stop now. words seem so shallow in situations like this. i am feeling very horrible, and i wish there was someone like- oh, i don't know, Amberdrake maybe, to help, but even so, if i had anything that would help (i have donated money already) the refugees from Kosovo i would, oh, i wish that the Mage-Gift was real! no, wait, i have to remember the Shin'a'in saying 'Be careful what you ask for, you may get it.' just think of what someone like Hitler would do if he had the Mage-Gift! *shudder* he could be another Ma'ar...okay, i think i've thoroughly depressed evryone now, so i guess i should go....dang it, how i wish life was fair! and i am being careful what i wish for- and i do want to get it. -Crescentmoon _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 17:25:24 PDT From: "Talia Alanna Riverdance" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Hi. Message-ID: <19990513002524.22822.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Heyla all. I am so slow. I love Mercedes Lackey, but can't find any of her books. I have only read the Heralds of Valdemar series(Talia) and the Last-Herald Mage series(Vanyel). _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 17:24:03 PDT From: "Talia Alanna Riverdance" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: RE: mercedes lackey's books Message-ID: <19990513002404.80117.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> NO. This list is for Mercedes Lackey, an author. Someone Wrote: Am I on the right list here - Mercedes as in Mercedes Benz automobiles? _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 20:53:08 EDT From: EarthSongW-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Hi. Message-ID: Try amazon.com, they should have all of her books there, i think the exception is storm rising, for some reason they didn't have it available, i think... :) ~~Justyn~~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 18:53:11 -0700 From: Yvonne To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Boo! Message-ID: <373A3087.60D-+AT+-planet.eon.net> Heyla! Enduring another bout of odd prairi weather. *rolls eyes* First it was warm - like up to 18C or so, and now it snows again!! Hows that for freakish?! *sigh* Please excuse that gripe. Liss wrote: > One of the Winds books or BTS says that the blondness is from Jadrek, > while the eyes are from Kethry. In Oathbound, however, it says (WOW look at me!! Textevd!! When was the last time I did this?) on p. 56 "We'd like to offer you more than complements if you're willing," said the second, amber-haired, like Kethry, but with blue eyes;" So speake Ikan Dryvale. "She has grass-eyes!" "And sunset hair!" p. 99, from a pair of rather outgoing Shin'a'in children of the clan Liha'irden commenting rather loudly on Tarma and Kethry's arrival. ;P So both Jadrek and Kethry are blonds, but Kethry is the 'grass-eyed' one that passes her genes (on the eyes, at least) onto her children, which make up that rather attractive core-group. ;P ON THE LITTLE GOD OF LUST: Perhaps one of the Emperor's consorts or the Empress had a rather promiscuous dalliance or two, and either they became the little God of Lust, or their partner(s) did. ;P ON NATURAL DISASTERS IN VALDEMAR: Can't forget the flood that Kero DIDN'T write about!! ("It's a little wet." was all she wrote to Quenten, IIRC) He's another dude I'd like to see more of. ;) ON STAR WARS: Well, since I work at a theater (in box, no less!) I shouldn't be having ~too~ much trouble getting tickets! ;P And yes, for all the curious, it opens on May 19 here, tickets went on advance sale today, and when I last checked we had five nuts lined up in the cold and rain determined to get first dibs on tickets. Kudos to them! ON DENVER/COLUMBINE: I think that's sad, more than sad. It's scary too. Columbine was such a beautiful name... Up here in Alberta we had a copycat killing about, oh, a week or two ago. Some nut went into his highschool in Taber, Alberta and shot two students, killing one. My heart goes out to everyone involved in any way in either of the killings. Not only that, but my school's neighbouring High school (I'm in the Catholic system) has a bomb-threat/repeat Columbine massacre planned for next Friday. I'm scared because my school is where everyone will run to. That, and some grade 9 student was caught with a gun at school last week. *shuders* It will probibly all be taken care of and there will be no danger, but I think I may end up skipping the two blocks before and after lunch that day just to be safe. You never know anymore which is truely scary. That, and not next year, but the year after, after I've graduated, my little brother will be entering junior high. Out of the frying pan, into the fire. On that rather dismal note I'll leave, so chocolate cheer-up sheep and a highland-hugs cow to all! Yvonne Goddess of Kelpies, Selkies, and the Water-Borne Carrier of the Enchanted Bucket (tm), Knight of Fluff, Lady of the OOUH Head of the Albertan CfWD ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." -Oscar Wilde ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 02:14:48 GMT From: "Jamie Jacobs" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Hi. Message-ID: <19990513021448.26271.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Don't feel bad, i've only read about half of her books. I have noticed that people keep metioning the Diana Tregarde books, this probobly sounds stupid, but why won't she be writing any more? Cream filled sheep shaped donut anyone? >From: "Talia Alanna Riverdance" >Reply-To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk >To: shadowcat19-+AT+-hotmail.com >Subject: Hi. >Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 01:51:22 +0100 (BST) > >Heyla all. I am so slow. I love Mercedes Lackey, but can't find any of her >books. I have only read the Heralds of Valdemar series(Talia) and the >Last-Herald Mage series(Vanyel). > > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. 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