MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1965 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) stuff by "Sorana Stargem" 2) owls books by "Chris Robertson" 3) Re: governments+StarWars by "Chris Robertson" 4) Re: just about everything... by stephanie coombes <106365.1242-+AT+-compuserve.com> 5) Hi. by stephanie coombes <106365.1242-+AT+-compuserve.com> 6) Sunny by "sunny bunid" 7) Re: governments+StarWars by David John Curry 8) Re: governments+StarWars by "Mark Severson" 9) K&K for 5/14 by "Mark Severson" 10) ADMIN: archives sorted out by Melanie Dymond Harper 11) Good things (was Re: governments+StarWars) by Kenneth Allen Hyde 12) Re: governments+StarWars by Paige 13) Re: just about everything... by "Tim & Tiffanie" 14) Disorganized Ramblings from the Sleepy One by Liss 15) Re: governments+StarWars by "Mark Severson" 16) All sorts o' Stuff by Alinea 17) Re: stuff by "Kristjan Wager" 18) Re: Disorganized Ramblings from the Sleepy One by "Alexia/Sabrina" 19) Re: governments+StarWars by Alinea 20) Misty's world view/OWL** spoilers by Julia Gray 21) Re: All sorts o' Stuff by "Tanya Evans" 22) Project Gods and Goddesses by Liss 23) Re: Good things (was Re: governments+StarWars) by "Jamie Jacobs" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 22:42:10 PDT From: "Sorana Stargem" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: stuff Message-ID: <19990514054212.47080.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Heyla all! Liss wrote: >"Sorana Stargem" wrote: > >Where in Wa. are you? >Arlington, which is about an hour north of Seattle. a)Well, it's nice to meet a fellow Washingtonian! b)Sorry I didn't reply sooner. I had to wait till I had an ObMisty! I, personally, am proud to be an American. However, I am not very impressed by our Congress members at the moment. Too bad I'm too young to vote. I must share my happiness with everyone! I got my Red Dwarf t-shirt finally!!! YAY!!!! 'Cottage cheese with pinapple chunks in'(Reference to Red Dwarf series 7 Episode "Duct Soup") sheep for everyone! "The end. The smeg it is!"(Quote from the end of Red Dwarf series 8 episode 8) Sorry, I'll probably quote Red Dwarf at every opportunity for awhile. Wanders off humming the theme song to herself. Oh yeah, the ObMisty. You know that movie that was in the theatres recently called Wingcommander? Anyone know if it has any relation to the series of Wingcommander books that Misty did one of? Ummm...I did have something else...What was it? Hmmm.... Someone asked why Misty isn't writing the Di Tregard books anymore. One of the reasons was already mentioned, but I thought I'd bring up the other one. IIRC, Someone threatened to kill Misty. And if you want to know what happened to Di Tregard herself, it has been said that while on vacation on Babylon 5 she fell out of an airlock and was last seen floating in space clutching a teddy bear. Okay, I think that should cover it. "Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast!" --Ace Rimmer Sorana S. Stargem Herald-trainee, %-+AT+-"He's Arnold, Arnold, Arnold Rimmer" High Priestess to the Goddess%-+AT+---Red Dwarf series 7 episode "Blue" of Unicorns, %-+AT+-"Where are we going, who knows?" Goddess of Flions, %-+AT+---Arnold Rimmer Knight of Amber and Marigold,%-+AT+-"You're forgetting something, only the Knight of the OOUH %-+AT+-good die young." --Arnold Rimmer http://www.angelfire.com/wa/mylagoon/index.html _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 02:10:11 PDT From: "Chris Robertson" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: owls books Message-ID: <19990514091012.61758.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Heyla, oh my esteemed listsibs! Heather wrote: >Oh I know what you mean!!!!! I might be a little behind here but are >Owlflight >and 'Sight out here (NZ too.. same last name too?, scary!!) yet? Because I >cant >find them :-(. That might be because I don't know where to look though, so >don't laugh at me if they've been here for months. Owlflight is reasonably get-at-able - Whitcoulls and so on usually have copies floating around, in keeping with their usual habits of only ahving recent misty books in stock [ie a few storms, a few gryphons, 4&20 black birds and owlflight. They stop short at stuff that's new enough to do me any good.] Owlsight, for some unknown reason, is in the Auckland public library system. [Owlflight isn't. Go figure.] I haven't seen it in any bookshops yet. >Sorry about that listsibs I'm just happy to see another kiwi here, yay! I >know 2 >others now :-). 2 others? You, me, who's the third? Now i guess i need an obmisty. Here brain, come to mama.... Ummmmmmmm..... Oh i know, how far is it from valdemar to the sea? in either direction? That always bugs me, valdemar being landlocked. I like my sea. I know they have lake evendim, but it's just not the same... Wind beneath thy wings if you are from a suitable clan, otherwise soft green grass beneath thy feet and blue sky above thee. And a chocolate tree in front of thee, at a convenient distance... Shadowlight ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 03:17:50 PDT From: "Chris Robertson" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: governments+StarWars Message-ID: <19990514101752.47238.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Heyla, Kristy Lyseng wrote: [ever wondere'd why] > > ... if there's an "evil" country, they're either in a monarchy or they > > believe in communism? Well, David, i agree with your comment that the main market is american and they think it's quaint. But off the subject of Misty - it REALLY pisses me off how America bashes anyone even vaguely communist just because of their political orientation. ["anyone" means countries and/or people.] america is no bed of roses! There are ghettos and slums! There are murders! There are extremist religious guys just as scary as any middle eastern extremists - society there is not all sweetness and light! And when people mutter about communists and dictators and/or revolutions being synonymous - anyone remember the Bay of Pigs - America barges into another country's affairs to put a corrupt, murdering dictator back on the seat of power just because they don't like leftist politics. America helps a coup by a corrupt, murdering, torturing, in short EVIL guy named General Pinochet in Chile because the chileans has _democratically_ repeat _democratically_ elected a socialist government and America objected to that. And NATO gets on the moral high ground about the Kosovo crisis after they gave Indonesia military aid to take over East Timor and commit all sorts of human rights violations. Don't get me wrong. I think ethnic cleansing is a great evil, i just don't like hypocritical superpowers who think they can arrange the world to suit them, be moral when it suits them and march in to stop some terrible act then turn around and either commit or aid the same atrocities in another part of the world. Britain's guilty of supplying arms to places like Indonesia too. WHY do these superpowers think they can pretend to be the good guys when they do things like that? [I know, because they _are_ superpowers.] It also annoys me in Misty how she couples brutality that's there for the sake of realism and not being the sort of bok where nothing ever hapnes to the main character [fans of piers anthony will recognise that paraphrase] with deep sentimentality and the convenient presence of some honest, incorruptibe personages to step in wherever needed. EG - wasn't it way too convenient in oathbreakers that stefansen had mended his ways and turned out the perfect candidate for a king? And how come most nobles in Valdemar are so _nice_? All right, they're surrounded by sweetness and light in the shape of the Heralds, but why aren't more of the council members evil and greedy and exploiting their peasants etc.? Ahem. *realises how long she's been speechifying and pulls up short.* Sorry. I'll put away my soapbox now. I hope i didn't offend anyone unintentionally, and i know i should combine my posts, but i'm just feeling angry about the general state of the world right now. and here in NZ a 12-year-old chinese girl whose family just immigrated ehre because they thought NZ was a good country and they wanted a better life has gone missing and probably been murdered. Don't senseless things like that make you sick? Comforting sheep to blot out all knowledge of evil, at least for a little while, to anyone who needs them. Shadowlight ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 10:16:56 -0400 From: stephanie coombes <106365.1242-+AT+-compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk" Subject: Re: just about everything... Message-ID: <199905141017_MC2-75B8-DE92-+AT+-compuserve.com> Is there anyone one there who has the whole listing of all of mercedes lackey books, including joint efforts??? i'm having trouble working out which books i havent read?!?!? luv. saver ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 10:18:44 -0400 From: stephanie coombes <106365.1242-+AT+-compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk" Subject: Hi. Message-ID: <199905141019_MC2-75B8-DEB9-+AT+-compuserve.com> hiya there is a mage storms series. and the oath series is amazing. you have to read them. thats oathbound, oathblood, and a few others, but i'm afraid i cant remember what they are called. also please read the bardic tales books because they are really good too. luv saver. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 10:03:36 CDT From: "sunny bunid" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Sunny Message-ID: <19990514150336.8978.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> HI my name is sunny, I am new to this list and thought that maybe could start up a topic that my friends and I bring up sometimes. Who is the character you like the least. I'll star it off. I really dislike Vanyel and Stefen. I don't know why I have just never really cared for them. If you asked me they seemed a lttle whiny. Just my personal opinion though. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 16:13:10 +0100 From: David John Curry To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: governments+StarWars Message-ID: <373C3D86.F63296ED-+AT+-exeter.ac.uk> Chris Robertson wrote: > ... why aren't more of the council members evil and greedy and > exploiting their peasants ... Because the Heralds are keeping an eye on them, of course . > Sorry. I'll put away my soapbox now. Oh, I think it's nice for someone else now and then to say something so rude / tactless / truthful (delete where inappropriate) that *even* I wouldn't say it. But, of course, it is true that democracies have a wonderful excuse for politicians to do things that they wouldn't get away with if they were the "man on the Clapham omnibus" (English legal phrase) ... murder, rape (cultural or physical), bullying, race hatred ... and the best thing is they can get someone else to do it for them! In a monarchy, while the queen can divorce her public and private persona, she doesn't seem to be able to do it half as well as when you can blame several hundred other politicians or, in a democracy, claim that that's what your electorate want you to do. "But the polls said they wanted me to do it!" HOWEVER ... I have to agree that *almost* everyone in Misty's books seems to be trying to do the right thing, even if they're opposing each other (even Charliss seemed to not be so bad!). But is that not a reflection of reality where there is "no one true way", although our American cousins would have it that there is, it's theirs, and you *will* have it too (guns and all). David. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 09:14:09 -0700 From: "Mark Severson" To: Subject: Re: governments+StarWars Message-ID: <002701be9e24$cd1b9220$176cb4cd-+AT+-janltcea> Chris Robertson wrote; > Heyla, > Kristy Lyseng wrote: [ever wondere'd why] > > > ... if there's an "evil" country, they're either in a monarchy or they > > > believe in communism? > Well, David, i agree with your comment that the main market is american and they think it's quaint. But off the subject of Misty - it REALLY pisses me off how America bashes anyone even vaguely communist just because of their political orientation. ["anyone" means countries and/or people.] america is no bed of roses! There are ghettos and slums! There are murders! There are extremist religious guys just as scary as any middle eastern extremists - society there is not all sweetness and light! And when people mutter about communists and dictators and/or revolutions being synonymous - anyone remember the Bay of Pigs - America barges into another country's affairs to put a corrupt, murdering dictator back on the seat of power just because they don't like leftist politics. America helps a coup by a corrupt, murdering, torturing, in short EVIL guy named General Pinochet in Chile because the chileans has _democratically_ repeat _democratically_ elected a socialist government and America objected to that. And NATO gets on the moral high ground about the Kosovo crisis after they gave Indonesia military aid to take over East Timor and commit all sorts of human rights violations. Chris when you find the perfect country let us all know. Yes, the US has it's faults and we've had leaders whom we are less then proud of (case in point, one which was not elected by the majority of the people who voted nor one I voted for either time) yet I would argue with you that this county, warts and all has done more good then evil in the world - ever heard of the Marshall plan? This is a extremely large country and I would argue has the most diverse population on the planet. People of almost all races and religions live here and for the most part in peace. As for the middle eastern crack, we've had what TWO major bombings, one of which was done by - SURPRISE middle eastern religious fanatics the other by a home grown moron. How many bombings have taken place the middle east? WE are not involving in genocide - I refuse to use the "nice" term of ethnic cleansing. Why is the US involved in Kosavo at all? Because Europe for the most part in my opinion refuses to lead in there own area. If you want to know the plain truth if it was possible I would love to see the US just say the hell with the rest of the world and let its act together while we try to get ours together, but it doesn't work that way! The actions of a nation in one part of the world does effect nations in other parts of the world, the effect may be small or it may be large but there is a ripple effect throughout the world and whether you like it or not, whether we like it or not currently we're stuck with being the guy with the biggest stick. I doubt very much if you would like to see China as the dominate country in the world, but perhaps you would. I for one would have a problem with that. Why? Here, just as I suspect that there in NZ people do not walk in lockstep over the cliffs, we do have the ability to do a great many things, things like the ability to have a say in who is in charge (i.e. voting), the ability to denounce the actions of our government without the fear of arrest, and possibly even execution, the freedom of movement, etc. when communists embrace AND uphold documents on a par with our constitution and bill of rights then personally I will have no problem with communists but until that time I will continue to consider such governments to be EVIL. The suppression of the populace by the rulers is NEVER good. > Don't get me wrong. I think ethnic cleansing is a great evil, I just > don't like hypocritical superpowers who think they can arrange the world to suit them, be moral when it suits them and march in to stop some terrible > act then turn around and either commit or aid the same atrocities in another part of the world. Britain's guilty of supplying arms to places like > Indonesia too. WHY do these superpowers think they can pretend to be the good guys when they do things like that? [I know, because they _are_ > superpowers.] See above. > It also annoys me in Misty how she couples brutality that's there for the > sake of realism and not being the sort of book where nothing ever happens to the main character [fans of piers Anthony will recognise that paraphrase] > with deep sentimentality and the convenient presence of some honest, > incorruptibe personages to step in wherever needed. EG - wasn't it way too convenient in oathbreakers that stefansen had mended his ways and turned out the perfect candidate for a king? And how come most nobles in Valdemar are so _nice_? All right, they're surrounded by sweetness and light in the shape of the Heralds, but why aren't more of the council members evil and greedy and exploiting their peasants etc.? I don't recall Stefansen as being that big of a jerk, that is if we're thinking of the same character. In fact if he's the same one I'm thinking of all he wanted was to be the Marshal. As for the council members all being "sweetness & light" they aren't the main characters (with the exception of the Arrows series and there's no way you can call that CREAP a nice guy!) I recall one scene in I think it was LHM when one of the twin sisters was killed and the arrow with the info implicating council members and others - I believe the queen said - "heads will roll". What it boils down to is this, the books are not about the council, there are about the heralds, the council members are for the most part bit players, throwaways. > Ahem. *realises how long she's been speechifying and pulls up short.* > Sorry. I'll put away my soapbox now. I hope i didn't offend anyone > unintentionally, and i know i should combine my posts, but i'm just feeling > angry about the general state of the world right now. and here in NZ a > 12-year-old chinese girl whose family just immigrated ehre because they > thought NZ was a good country and they wanted a better life has gone missing and probably been murdered. Don't senseless things like that make you sick? Yes senseless things make me sick, we just lost a child here because she darted out in front of a car and the driver had NO time to react. Now the driver will suffer, her family will suffer and she has lost the greatest gift of all - life, because she forgot to look. As for offending if you did not mean to offend then you shouldn't have thrown rocks. This country is far from perfect but I don't think it is EVIL either. Comforting sheep to blot out all knowledge of evil, at least for a little > while, to anyone who needs them. > Shadowlight > WARNING - BRIEF COMMENT CONCERNING A STARWARS REVIEW NOTE: NOTHING ABOUT WHAT IS IN THE MOVIE JUST WHAT A CRITIC SAID ABOUT IT. By the way as for StarWars - I heard a review this morning on the radio. The critic of the Washington Post was NOT impressed. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 09:27:21 -0700 From: "Mark Severson" To: Subject: K&K for 5/14 Message-ID: <006b01be9e26$a56bbdc0$176cb4cd-+AT+-janltcea> ROFL! Loved the last panel! Oh, God ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 17:23:32 +0100 (BST) From: Melanie Dymond Harper To: mercedes-lackey Subject: ADMIN: archives sorted out Message-ID: <199905141623.RAA27230-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> The 'recent' page and the rest of the archive pages should now be behaving correctly. -- Mel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 12:26:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Kenneth Allen Hyde To: Misty Lackey List Subject: Good things (was Re: governments+StarWars) Message-ID: On Fri, 14 May 1999, Chris Robertson wrote: > america is no bed of roses! There are ghettos and slums! There are > murders! There are extremist religious guys just as scary as any > middle eastern extremists - society there is not all sweetness and > light! Hey, I have an idea. Why don't we stop bashing America? Or better yet, let's all bash as many countries as possible until the list degenerates into a self-loathing, other-loathing festival of hate, bile, and evil. After all, isn't that what Misty is all about? Or, more constructively, perhaps we could try seeing the good things in life? Every country has it's problems, but most of them also have something wonderful to recommend them (okay, probably all of them do). Maybe we should think about those things for a little while? America has lots of good things about it, too, just as does New Zealand, the UK, or anywhere else. Instead of concentrating on the negative, try thinking about the positive aspects of the world. It won't make the bad stuff go away, but it might let us work to change the wrongs of the world without becoming bitter, negative, and depressed (or suicidal/homicidal). You know, now that I think about it, I have to wonder if those kids in Colorado (or the one in Oregon a year or two ago, or...or...) might not have been trapped in a downward spiral of hate in part because they were living in a world where everyone seems to be more willing to give expression to their negative emotions and where being cheerful and positive is viewed almost as a crime. It's just an idea, but maybe if they had been surrounded by a society that valued the ability to take pleasure in the simple joys and good things in life, they might not have turned out the way they did. Maybe, instead of killing a lot of innocent people (and who says that the victims were more innocent than anyone else?), they would have taken strength from the bright sunlight on a clear spring day, or the taste of an ice-cream cone in the middle of summer, or the laughter of a friend, or the soft warmth of an evening breeze? And just maybe, if they had been supported in that kind of a mindset by their friends and family and society, they wouldn't have felt the need to kill. I'm sure that some of the people who are reading this right now (perhaps the ones who have been yelling about how evil America and people in general are, both American and non-) are sitting there thinking "what a Pollyanna!" On the other hand, I'm happy. Can you say the same? I came out of my apartment today and my fuchsia was blooming and I had new sprouts of nasturtiums (which I'd almost given up on) and the birds were singing. Okay, so I'm looking a deadline in the face and I never have enough time to do everything in my schedule and I have very little money, but I still have friends I love and the world is full of little unexpected pleasures (did I mention that on the way to class yesterday, I found a praying mantis on a bush by the sidewalk and I had a few minutes to spare to watch it?). Anyway, I'm not angry at the world. Kosovo is horrible, the Columbine killings were horrible, and many things that people do to each other are horrible. But, more people are doing wonderful things than are doing horrible ones, and that is something that comforts me. And sure, as we try and fix these horrors, we will make mistakes and other problems may arise. But we will be trying, and that's important. So, rather than letting the horrors of the world turn me into something dark and negative, I think I will continue on my happy Pollyanna way. I will read Misty, sit on my porch among my flowers and plants, listen to good music, have fun with my friends, teach my classes, and do what I can to make my part of the world a place of happiness and joy. And I'll do everything I can to support the people I meet in doing the same and I will fight to counteract the culture of blame and negativity that seems to be creeping across the world. It's not as easy as being negative, but it's better for the world and for my mental health. Anyway, that's the view from my soapbox. And, to answer the question that raised about why Misty has improbably good characters in her novels, I think that she is also giving the view from her soapbox, and it is a positive view of the world. People can be redeemed, leaders don't have to be corrupt, and the world *is* full of good things, if we would only look around and see them. May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd Councilor of Mist Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me //www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/prof/ken.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 13:58:19 -0400 From: Paige To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: governments+StarWars Message-ID: <373C643B.89893B92-+AT+-sympatico.ca> Mark Severson wrote: > > Chris Robertson wrote; > > It also annoys me in Misty how she couples brutality that's there for the > > sake of realism and not being the sort of book where nothing ever happens > to the main character [fans of piers Anthony will recognise that > paraphrase] > > with deep sentimentality and the convenient presence of some honest, > > incorruptibe personages to step in wherever needed. EG - wasn't it way > too convenient in oathbreakers that stefansen had mended his ways and turned > out the perfect candidate for a king? And how come most nobles in Valdemar > are so _nice_? All right, they're surrounded by sweetness and light in the > shape of the Heralds, but why aren't more of the council members evil and > greedy and exploiting their peasants etc.? > > I don't recall Stefansen as being that big of a jerk, that is if we're > thinking of the same character. In fact if he's the same one I'm thinking > of all he wanted was to be the Marshal. Are you thinking of Daren (BtS)? He's the one that wanted to be his brothers Lord Marshal. Stefansen was Idra's brother and second in line to the Rethwellan throne (and Daren's grandfather). IIRC he was a boozing womanizer who finally mended his was when he met up with the Valdemarian Heir, Roald, got married and had a child. > As for the council members all being "sweetness & light" they aren't the > main characters (with the exception of the Arrows series and there's no way > you can call that CREAP a nice guy!) I recall one scene in I think it was > LHM when one of the twin sisters was killed and the arrow with the info > implicating council members and others - I believe the queen said - "heads > will roll". What it boils down to is this, the books are not about the > council, there are about the heralds, the council members are for the most > part bit players, throwaways. Good point (about the bit players). I also seem to recall in the Storm series that their were certain members of the Grand Council who weren't all that nice (or at least who cared more for their specific well being as opposed to that of Valdemar as a whole). Granted the were mostly just the heads of the guilds but hey, I think it just goes to show that not _everyone_ in a position of power in Valdemar is a "sweetness and light" type of person, or else they'd all be Heralds ;-) And there have been plenty of not-so-nice nobles in the stories. And speaking of Heralds, their not always perfect either. There has been more than one (Lyndel) repudiation in the Heralds ranks. Also, Sorry to correct again, but it was AotQ and Ylsa, Kerens lifemate that was killed and Keren was the twin. Can you tell I've been re-reading again? ;-) -- Paige GO LEAFS!!! proud to be Outlandish When you are finally holding all the cards, why does everyone else decide to play chess. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 13:37:57 -0500 From: "Tim & Tiffanie" To: Subject: Re: just about everything... Message-ID: <002f01be9e38$e45845a0$c3b7bfa8-+AT+-tiffanie> Heyla all! Just in case anyone else wonders: > Is there anyone one there who has the whole listing of all of mercedes > lackey books, including joint efforts??? I do...I think I'm only missing one book (werehunter)..which I intend to update soon. Also have links to other Misty sites, the DragonCon answers to questions by Misty, etc.. Dax the Eternal, Goddess of Elves and Unicorns, Evangelist of Low Humor, Knight of Fluff, Councilor of Mist, Watcher of Continuity for the Mistic Circle, HomePage: http://welcome.to/GrayHaven NewbieFest: http://www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/pers/misty/newbiefest.html ------------------------------ Date: 14 May 99 10:39:55 PDT From: Liss To: Mercedes Lackey Mailing List Subject: Disorganized Ramblings from the Sleepy One Message-ID: <19990514173956.17631.qmail-+AT+-www0q.netaddress.usa.net> Heyla All! I still haven't posted those lovely Winds spoilers that I wanted to bring up, but rest assured, I will next week. *ah no, now I warned ya!* -autumndusk / topia- wrote: Totally ashamed, no. Ashamed quite a bit of time? Oh yeah. Sorana: You're right, it's good to see another Washingtonian on here. BTW - Good ol' Senator Gorty's at it again. Attaching a rider for a strip mine to a military and humanitarian aid bill. *sigh* Sunny wrote: Oh boy, you've probably started some interesting conversations with that answer. There's a _lot_ of Van fans on this list. It's a good question, though. Character(s) that I like least...mmmm...Van's father, Solaris in Storms (don't ask me why) and Darien in 'Flight (I liked him a lot better in 'Sight). Anyways, that's more than enough rambling from me. May you all be graced with fluffy sheep-shaped pillows, warm blankets, and sheep dreams. May you _not_ be graced with our local weather. *sigh, it's raining d**n it!* Zhai'helleva! Liss, the Lazy .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. You ask so many questions, what answer should I choose? Is this schizoid paranoia, or just existential blues? - "Existential Blues" By Tom "T-Bone" Stankus --------------------------------------- My Home Page: http://members.tripod.com/half_asleep Joke List:http://www.ONElist.com/subscribe/twistedjokes Novelty Songs:http://www.ONElist.com/subscribe/noveltysongs .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 12:40:57 -0700 From: "Mark Severson" To: Subject: Re: governments+StarWars Message-ID: <000901be9e41$b0e1bf40$3d6cb4cd-+AT+-janltcea> Ya got me on both counts Paige, I couldn't remember Daren's name and I had totally forgotten the correct info on Stefensen. On the other - well, at least they were twins weren't they? 1/4 point for remembering that right? (Time to reread the books) I've got no problem recalling Lyndel being repudiated (my memory is slipping but not that much - yet) but who else was repudiated? I don't recall any names. I do recall the herald who beat his companion (Ghost?) because the companion was defending the boy/king (who's name I have forgotten - GOT to reread the books!) the herald felt was evil. That herald wasn't repudiated but sure as heck should have had some kind of punishment administered, something that would have punished him and not his companion. Mark the tax zombie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 15:37:12 -0400 From: Alinea To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: All sorts o' Stuff Message-ID: <373C7B68.9959D8DB-+AT+-geocities.com> Well, things have certainly gotten exciting around here lately...but I've got a question. This may be just because I don't have time to watch the news or read the paper, but what's going on in China? We were watching the French news in French class this morning, and I caught a brief glimpse of many people in China protesting the US. One of the people interviewed said something about a war with the US being inevitable and so on, and (not wanting to be in a war) wanted to know what was going on... Well, obMisty, my least favorite character would have to be....oh, dear. I like them all...but the one I like least is Talia. She's, in my opinion, slightly too self-sacrificing. I know she's a Herald and all, and they're naturally self-sacrificing, but she always seems to be so perfect about it. But I still like her. My favorite character is Firesong, simply because he somewhat reminds me of myself. I'm not gonna get into how, but anyway, what about everyone else? Peace-loving sheep to all! Alinea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 13:00:21 PDT From: "Kristjan Wager" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: stuff Message-ID: <19990514200021.1462.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Hi listsibs Well, the index page is growing, but I still need more URLs and names, so keep them coming. Remember to mail them to me PRIVATELY!!!!! On another topic: There has been some fairly political postings lately, and while I think it's nice that people have political oppinions, I don't really think this is the right forum for discussing them. I might be alone in this oppinion, but I can't really see the relevance between USA as the Devil/Hero and Misty, I'm sorry. Sorana wrote: >Oh yeah, the ObMisty. You know that movie that was in the theatres recently > >called Wingcommander? Anyone know if it has any relation to the series of > >Wingcommander books that Misty did one of? I haven't heard about that movie, but the books are based on the Wingcommander computer game, so if the movie also is based on the game, then there is a connection. Zen hugging political neutral sheep to everyone. Absalon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 21:32:48 +0100 From: "Alexia/Sabrina" To: Subject: Re: Disorganized Ramblings from the Sleepy One Message-ID: <071501be9e49$28503960$74ca28c3-+AT+-oemcomputer> Well, as a dual national Britisher and American I do not hate either of my countries. I think we have a much better system right now than a lot of countries. I've seen some of the worst sides of what happens in countries like the US and UK, met some extremely mentally ill people . I think some terrible things go on that need to stop right now but those things are often very difficult. I think the thing I hate most is the level of child abuse in the UK and US, but this does not mean that the countries are bad. Drastic improvement is needed in many area BUT we have a fair amount that lots of other people in the world don't- like basic health care, clean water, enough food, opportunities for education, etc... OBmisty... characters I can't stand... I found Mardic and Donni incredibly boring . Some characters I didn;t like the character as a person but I thought the character was well created. Anyway... happy, smiling sheep to everyone:) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 16:52:45 -0400 From: Alinea To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: governments+StarWars Message-ID: <373C8D1D.AFD082CD-+AT+-geocities.com> > I do recall the herald who beat his companion (Ghost?) > because the companion was defending the boy/king (who's name I have > forgotten - GOT to reread the books!) the herald felt was evil. That herald > wasn't repudiated but sure as heck should have had some kind of punishment > administered, something that would have punished him and not his companion. Herald Lores beat Tashir (the boy-king)'s Companion, Ghost. Which also traumatized Lores's Companion because she couldn't stop him. And he *did* get a punishment, of sorts. Vanyel certainly gave him a headache, what with the mind-lashing and all...And I'm sure Lores got some sort of punishment when he got back to Haven... What ever flavored sheep you desire! Alinea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 16:36:35 -0500 From: Julia Gray To: "mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk" Subject: Misty's world view/OWL** spoilers Message-ID: <373C9763.404DD1C-+AT+-oakton.edu> Cennydd (sp?) wrote: > to answer the question that > raised about why Misty has improbably good characters in her novels, I > think that she is also giving the view from her soapbox, and it is a > positive view of the world. People can be redeemed, leaders don't have to > be corrupt, and the world *is* full of good things, if we would only look > around and see them. > Well, it's this view that makes me want to read her. I'm not sure I want to read something that has a view that world is full of evil. Harking back to a past thread (and I hope this doesn't open another can of worms), someone once told that if she was going to catergorize fantasy vs science fiction, she'd say rather than the just the usual magic in one and technology in the other, you also tend (<------tend, not necessarily always) to have positive, happy stories with good people (a world that's in general full of good things) in fantasy, while S-F has more worlds filled with "bad" things and a few good people in it. I'm not sure. Owlflight/sight spoiler - it talks about the writing style rather than the plot, so read at your discretion. O W L S I G H T S P O I LER .. (tired of always returning) I was rereading them and was struck several times by the use of "stock" cliches ... one example that stands out is "a serious case of death" (p 214, hardcover edition Owlsight). I didn't like them and they made the writing seem, well, not up to her usual standard (I'd rather have heard a shinain [sp] proverb]. Just a thought.... Just a reminder that if you're going to respond to this last paragraph, please put in the spoiler space - I've seen a couple of spoiler comments without the space (and I once did it myself, so I figured I'd offer advice from experience)... Betha'lis ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 17:43:32 -0400 From: "Tanya Evans" To: Subject: Re: All sorts o' Stuff Message-ID: <001401be9e52$d05b3de0$23040618-+AT+-baycty1.mi.home.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: Alinea To: Sent: Friday, May 14, 1999 4:42 PM Subject: All sorts o' Stuff > Well, things have certainly gotten exciting around here lately...but I've got a > question. This may be just because I don't have time to watch the news or read > the paper, but what's going on in China? We were watching the French news in > French class this morning, and I caught a brief glimpse of many people in China > protesting the US. One of the people interviewed said something about a war with > the US being inevitable and so on, and (not wanting to be in a war) wanted to know > what was going on... The U.S accidently dropped a bomb on the Chinese Embassy over there in Kosovo, resulting in the death of a few chinese people, reporters I think. They took it as a insult, I certainly would have. Now lots of people in China are rioting wanting to take a peice out of America. As for what chacter I like the least... hmmm....Well in the Winds series I really didn't like Darkwind all that much. I did appreciate him more in the Storms series though. Also I have a slight problem liking Elspeth companion Gwena too. - Ellevaranachai Shay'Nara'Val Herald Trainee, but Bard wannabe => Rethwellan by Nature, Chosen by Virtue ------------------------------ Date: 14 May 99 15:16:05 PDT From: Liss To: Mercedes Lackey Mailing List Subject: Project Gods and Goddesses Message-ID: <19990514221606.12860.qmail-+AT+-www0t.netaddress.usa.net> Heyla All! I'm trying to collect a list of Gods and Goddesses named in the Velgarth books *gee, I wonder where that idea came from*. This is in addition to the list that was already posted here. If you can give me a name, book, page number and hardcover or paperback *you know, textevd* that would be great. Please e-mail if you have any info. Thanks and zhai'helleva! Liss :*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. Have you ever stopped to think and forgot to start again? ---------------------------- My Home Page: http://members.tripod.com/half_asleep Joke List:http://www.ONElist.com/subscribe/twistedjokes Novelty Songs:http://www.ONElist.com/subscribe/noveltysongs .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 22:27:00 GMT From: "Jamie Jacobs" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Good things (was Re: governments+StarWars) Message-ID: <19990514222702.96137.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> I tend to agree with you on this, every country has it's good and bad things, i should know, i come from two diffrent backgrounds, my mother is an american, and my father is a brit. But lets face it people, absoultely NO place is perfect, and someone who is always negitive will only see bad things in a beautiful world, for example, I live in a very small close minded town, where if you are not a jock or a cheerleader, you are unpopular, with a very few exceptions, like if you sleep with the whole football team. I am of mixed ethnic backgrounds, mainly white, black and spanish. The people in my town shun anything diffrent, and mainly myself and my few friends, who are mainly friends out of protection in numbers. I will understand if you want to stop reading now and not listen to the problems of a hormonal teenage girl. When i first moved here from London, i was broken hearted, because i thought i would never see it's perfection agian. Well, after living here for 5or 6 years, i can tell you, after visiting london agian to see my father, it wasn't as perfect as i had thought it was, and when i came back, i saw that the U.S. is a lot better than it seemed at first when i moved here. Because when i was in london, i was out with some friends, and they went into a building to use the toilet, and i got mugged. Every rose has it's thorn. I have started likeing the U.S. alot better, and while i will never claim to be an american, you should at least give this country a chance. I have dispite all the hardships i have gone through here, and i am a better person for it. sheep shaped chocolate cake for all =o) >From: Kenneth Allen Hyde >Reply-To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk >To: shadowcat19-+AT+-hotmail.com >Subject: Good things (was Re: governments+StarWars) >Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 19:13:16 +0100 (BST) > >On Fri, 14 May 1999, Chris Robertson wrote: > > > america is no bed of roses! There are ghettos and slums! There are > > murders! There are extremist religious guys just as scary as any > > middle eastern extremists - society there is not all sweetness and > > light! > >Hey, I have an idea. Why don't we stop bashing America? Or better yet, >let's all bash as many countries as possible until the list degenerates >into a self-loathing, other-loathing festival of hate, bile, and evil. >After all, isn't that what Misty is all about? > >Or, more constructively, perhaps we could try seeing the good things in >life? Every country has it's problems, but most of them also have >something wonderful to recommend them (okay, probably all of them do). >Maybe we should think about those things for a little while? America has >lots of good things about it, too, just as does New Zealand, the UK, or >anywhere else. Instead of concentrating on the negative, try thinking >about the positive aspects of the world. It won't make the bad stuff go >away, but it might let us work to change the wrongs of the world without >becoming bitter, negative, and depressed (or suicidal/homicidal). > >You know, now that I think about it, I have to wonder if those kids in >Colorado (or the one in Oregon a year or two ago, or...or...) might not >have been trapped in a downward spiral of hate in part because they were >living in a world where everyone seems to be more willing to give >expression to their negative emotions and where being cheerful and >positive is viewed almost as a crime. It's just an idea, but maybe if >they had been surrounded by a society that valued the ability to take >pleasure in the simple joys and good things in life, they might not have >turned out the way they did. Maybe, instead of killing a lot of innocent >people (and who says that the victims were more innocent than anyone >else?), they would have taken strength from the bright sunlight on a clear >spring day, or the taste of an ice-cream cone in the middle of summer, or >the laughter of a friend, or the soft warmth of an evening breeze? And >just maybe, if they had been supported in that kind of a mindset by their >friends and family and society, they wouldn't have felt the need to kill. > >I'm sure that some of the people who are reading this right now (perhaps >the ones who have been yelling about how evil America and people in >general are, both American and non-) are sitting there thinking "what a >Pollyanna!" On the other hand, I'm happy. Can you say the same? I came >out of my apartment today and my fuchsia was blooming and I had new >sprouts of nasturtiums (which I'd almost given up on) and the birds were >singing. Okay, so I'm looking a deadline in the face and I never have >enough time to do everything in my schedule and I have very little money, >but I still have friends I love and the world is full of little unexpected >pleasures (did I mention that on the way to class yesterday, I found a >praying mantis on a bush by the sidewalk and I had a few minutes to >spare to watch it?). > >Anyway, I'm not angry at the world. Kosovo is horrible, the Columbine >killings were horrible, and many things that people do to each other are >horrible. But, more people are doing wonderful things than are doing >horrible ones, and that is something that comforts me. And sure, as we >try and fix these horrors, we will make mistakes and other problems may >arise. But we will be trying, and that's important. > >So, rather than letting the horrors of the world turn me into something >dark and negative, I think I will continue on my happy Pollyanna way. I >will read Misty, sit on my porch among my flowers and plants, listen to >good music, have fun with my friends, teach my classes, and do what I can >to make my part of the world a place of happiness and joy. And I'll do >everything I can to support the people I meet in doing the same and I will >fight to counteract the culture of blame and negativity that seems to be >creeping across the world. It's not as easy as being negative, but it's >better for the world and for my mental health. > >Anyway, that's the view from my soapbox. And, to answer the question that >raised about why Misty has improbably good characters in her novels, I >think that she is also giving the view from her soapbox, and it is a >positive view of the world. People can be redeemed, leaders don't have to >be corrupt, and the world *is* full of good things, if we would only look >around and see them. > >May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, > >Cennydd >Councilor of Mist > >Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife >Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously >Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb >kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me > >//www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/prof/ken.html > > > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1965 **********************************