MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1966 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) My Homepage by "Talia Alanna Riverdance" 2) Who bothers you? by "Talia Alanna Riverdance" 3) Re: governments+StarWars by Paige 4) Re: Who bothers you? by tamlin 5) Re: All sorts o' Stuff by "Jamie Jacobs" 6) Re: Disorganized Ramblings from the Sleepy One by "Jamie Jacobs" 7) Re: governments reply by "Chris Robertson" 8) Impossible Dream by "ambermoon starshadow" 9) apology/types of magic by * Winddancer * 10) Re: Braids & Braids & Braids....... by Obsidian ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 15:38:01 PDT From: "Talia Alanna Riverdance" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: My Homepage Message-ID: <19990514223801.81125.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Heyla all. I just wanted to say my homepage. It's: www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/2027 Please sign my dreambook! _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 15:57:08 PDT From: "Talia Alanna Riverdance" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Who bothers you? Message-ID: <19990514225712.74515.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Heyla Sunny! I don't like Stefen either. He seemes selfish and I don't know what else. He just bothers me. I think he thinks he's so cool. Vanyel seems selfish too. I hate the way he doesn't want to be friends with anyone because he's afraid they'll die. Doesn't he ever think of himself?? I know Heralds aren't supposed to, but who cares. That gets on my nerves. I also couldn't belive Stefen was a reincarnation of Tylendel. I liked Tylendel, but Stefen was a selfish idiot. I didn't like Moondance either. He is a wannabe of Starwind, and that bothered me. Kris thought too much of his looks, so did Vanyel. Melenna bothered me in Magic's Pawn and Magic's Promise. Mekeal thinks all brawn and no brain, bothers me. Anyone want to add? _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 19:34:59 -0400 From: Paige To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: governments+StarWars Message-ID: <373CB323.57A4D4D-+AT+-sympatico.ca> Mark Severson wrote: > > Ya got me on both counts Paige, I couldn't remember Daren's name and I had > totally forgotten the correct info on Stefensen. > > On the other - well, at least they were twins weren't they? 1/4 point for > remembering that right? Actually Keren was Terens twin. You may however be remembering that Firesong said that Keren and Sheril (the girl who bonded to Keren after Ylsa's death) dressed like twins :-) > (Time to reread the books) > > I've got no problem recalling Lyndel being repudiated (my memory is > slipping but not that much - yet) but who else was repudiated? I don't > recall any names. I do recall the herald who beat his companion (Ghost?) > because the companion was defending the boy/king (who's name I have > forgotten - GOT to reread the books!) the herald felt was evil. That herald > wasn't repudiated but sure as heck should have had some kind of punishment > administered, something that would have punished him and not his companion. > > Mark the tax zombie I too have never really understood how Lores became a Herald let alone wasn't repudiated, but no that wasn't who I was thinking of. There isn't a name mentioned but in... okay I thought it was in AotQ, in Orientation Class, but I can't find it, it might be in there somewhere or else in in Winds of Fate or Change... anyhoo, no name but someone says that the last repudiation of a Herald was 200 years ago. Lyndel was repudiated in about 798 AF (according to the timeline at the front) and the Arrows trilogy started sometime after 1376 AF, meaning it's been way longer than 200 years since Lyndel. I hope Misty tells us about the others sometime. I'd kind of like to know what they did. If I can find the Winds books I'll see if I can locate some text ev. Unless someone beats me to it... ;-) -- Paige GO LEAFS!!! proud to be Outlandish When you are finally holding all the cards, why does everyone else decide to play chess. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 11:58:35 -0700 From: tamlin To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Who bothers you? Message-ID: <01be9f04$ef5ba9c0$50d937d2-+AT+-tamlin.sinesurf.co.nz> Re what Talia Alanna Riverdance said: I just have one question. Rather than look at those characters you don't like, could you please tell me who you do like?. I mean, that was a very loooonnngg list of characters that have traits that bug you, but there is always pluses and minuses to everyone...if there is only the former then they aren't human!. I have to say that I like Vanyel, and I think that his not wanting to be friends with anyone was a defensive thing, so that he was protected against further hurt. Now I know Shakespeare said 'better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all' but after losing so mnay don't you think that he would want to stay clear for a while. As for the looks thing, well I'm not much to look at so I wouldn't know how it would feel to have people judge me just on what I looked like....maybe he wanted to be more that beautiful..just liek being more then a mage!. What does everyone else think?. I have to say that I didn't like Tylendel, and what he did was wrong, but to lose someone that close is bound to unhinge even the most stable of people. WInd to they Wings all, tamlin "How do you know the Chosen Ones?. No greater love hath a man than he lay down his life for his brother. Not for millions, not for glory, not for fame, but for one person, in the dark, where no one will ever know or see." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 02:42:09 GMT From: "Jamie Jacobs" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: All sorts o' Stuff Message-ID: <19990515024210.49708.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_5ac42471_78c118c2$3e5824d8 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_1d3f4a67_78c118c2$3e5824d8" ------=_NextPart_001_1d3f4a67_78c118c2$3e5824d8 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; I think the main reason that Talia is so self sacraficing is because, she is a herald, and she is an empath, so can't really stand others being uncomfortable around her, and in the series, when her shields start to fail she is much more sensitive >From: Alinea >Reply-To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk >To: shadowcat19-+AT+-hotmail.com >Subject: All sorts o' Stuff >Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 21:43:26 +0100 (BST) > >Well, things have certainly gotten exciting around here lately...but I've >got a >question. This may be just because I don't have time to watch the news or >read >the paper, but what's going on in China? We were watching the French news >in >French class this morning, and I caught a brief glimpse of many people in >China >protesting the US. One of the people interviewed said something about a >war with >the US being inevitable and so on, and (not wanting to be in a war) wanted >to know >what was going on... >Well, obMisty, my least favorite character would have to be....oh, dear. I >like >them all...but the one I like least is Talia. She's, in my opinion, >slightly too >self-sacrificing. I know she's a Herald and all, and they're naturally >self-sacrificing, but she always seems to be so perfect about it. But I >still >like her. My favorite character is Firesong, simply because he somewhat >reminds >me of myself. I'm not gonna get into how, but anyway, what about everyone >else? > Peace-loving sheep to all! > Alinea > > > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------=_NextPart_001_1d3f4a67_78c118c2$3e5824d8 Content-type: text/html
               
I think the main reason that Talia is so self sacraficing is because, she is a herald, and she is an empath, so can't really stand others being uncomfortable around her, and in the series, when her shields start to fail she is much more sensitive

  From: Alinea <alsongwind-+AT+-geocities.com>
Reply-To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
To: shadowcat19-+AT+-hotmail.com
Subject: All sorts o' Stuff
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 21:43:26 +0100 (BST)

Well, things have certainly gotten exciting around here lately...but I've got a
question.  This may be just because I don't have time to watch the news or read
the paper, but what's going on in China?  We were watching the French news in
French class this morning, and I caught a brief glimpse of many people in China
protesting the US.  One of the people interviewed said something about a war with
the US being inevitable and so on, and (not wanting to be in a war) wanted to know
what was going on...
Well, obMisty, my least favorite character would have to be....oh, dear.  I like
them all...but the one I like least is Talia.  She's, in my opinion, slightly too
self-sacrificing.  I know she's a Herald and all, and they're naturally
self-sacrificing, but she always seems to be so perfect about it.  But I still
like her.  My favorite character is Firesong, simply because he somewhat reminds
me of myself.  I'm not gonna get into how, but anyway, what about everyone else?
        Peace-loving sheep to all!
            Alinea



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From: "Jamie Jacobs" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Disorganized Ramblings from the Sleepy One Message-ID: <19990515025014.9806.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_1d0d44b7_457045c6$5e820610 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_34b773fb_457045c6$5e820610" ------=_NextPart_001_34b773fb_457045c6$5e820610 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; My least favourite characters would have to be Tremane in the first two books, But in the third one i liked him alot better, and at first An'desha, because he whined so much, but i guess i could understand that to an extent. I have a friend who is like that, and i try to be as understanding as posible, but sometimes i just want to reach out and wrap my hands around his neck and throttle him into silence, but he'd probobly break my arm =o) Star Wars Episode I toys and stuff to all! mostly for me though =o) >Sunny wrote: >dislike >Vanyel and Stefen. I don't know why I have just never really cared for >them. >If you asked me they seemed a lttle whiny. Just my personal opinion >though.> > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------=_NextPart_001_34b773fb_457045c6$5e820610 Content-type: text/html
               
My least favourite characters would have to be Tremane in the first two books, But in the third one i liked him alot better, and at first An'desha, because he whined so much, but i guess i could understand that to an extent. I have a friend who is like that, and i try to be as understanding as posible, but sometimes i just want to reach out and wrap my hands around his neck and throttle him into silence, but he'd probobly break my arm =o)
Star Wars Episode I toys and stuff to all! mostly for me though =o)

  Sunny wrote:
<Who is the character you like the least.  I'll star it off.  I really dislike
Vanyel and Stefen.  I don't know why I have just never really cared for them.
If you asked me they seemed a lttle whiny.  Just my personal opinion though.>

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From: "Chris Robertson" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: governments reply Message-ID: <19990515040153.60258.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Heyla Mark the tax zombie wrote >Chris when you find the perfect country let us all know. I'm planning to start it as soon as i can find a nice enough uninhabited tropical island. >Yes, the US has >it's faults but I would argue with you that this county, >warts and all has done more good then evil in the world - ever heard of the >Marshall plan? In fact i have. History class three years ago. Rebuilding war-shattered countries in europe, all very nice....but have you ever heard of the IMF? American-supported body which lends money to developing countries at crippling interest rates then when, bowing under the strain of the interest they can't pay it back fast enough for the money moguls the IMF forces them to stop planting things like wheat that they can use to feed their population and start planting nothing but cash crops eg coffee beans which they can sell and pay back the IMF - only then they ahve to import food, for which they need more money....etc. No-one benefits, except the grey-suited ones. How many >bombings have taken place the middle east? Quite a few - especially by President Clinton wanting to take the national attention off his cigar and onto his foreign policy. Bombings which do NOTHING to get Saddam off his throne - he can just sit there in his bunker and cackle evilly - while the Iraqi population who are not responsible for Saddam's actions suffer under the bombings and the sanctions. >Why is the US involved in Kosavo at all? I'm all for stopping Milosevic, but i wish the "good guys" would behave so admirably in the rest of their foreign policies. >I doubt very much if you would like to see China as the dominate country in >the world, but perhaps you would. I for one would have a problem with >that. Why? I thought there was no one true way on this list. and for the record, i don't want to see China as the dominant power. I don't think there should be a dominant power. Having a power that is big enough to make the rest of the world kiss -+AT+-$$ and follow is uncomfortable like dictatorship on a global level. >Why? Here, just as I suspect that there in NZ people do not walk in >lockstep over the cliffs, Sorry to disillusion you there, Mark, [and the other kiwis out there - forgive me] but as a nation, NZ has a disturbing level of political apathy and ignorance. We vote for the party with the snappiest ads and the short-term policies that sound the best, like tougher penalties for "home invasion" - and since when did burglary get a new name? - without doing anything about the root causes like alleviating poverty, having more police funding and more policepeople out there. With the result that we do, in fact, walk in lockstep off cliffs. >when communists embrace AND uphold documents on a par with our > >constitution and >bill of rights then personally I will have no problem with communists but >until that time I will continue to consider such governments to be EVIL. >The suppression of the populace by the rulers is NEVER good. I agree with you there, but i would like to say once again - please listen carfully - Communism/socialism/any related political beliefs are _not_ the same as a dictatorship. hitler was a dictator. He was not a communist. Biffed Indonesian dictator Suharto was not a communist. Batista in Cuba a few decades ago was as corrupt as you could want, but he was not communist. Communism is just a political belief, ie that the state should keep an eye on things to stop unbridledly greedy people getting away with all the cuntry's resources, and that it should redistribute wealth to remove the class system and alleviate poverty. It doesn't always work, but since when does anything work exactly as intended and result in utopia? you yourself asked me where the perfect country was. [Just imagine all the good that could be done if even half Bill Gates' fortune was redistributed. He certainly doesn't need it all - it's rolling in faster thatn he could possibly spend it.] Like any other belief on the political specrum, it can be implemented democratically - such as the Allende government in Chile in the 70s - or dictatorially. Other political beliefs can be implemented jsut as dictatorially - examples given above. > I don't recall Stefansen as being that big of a jerk, that is if we're >thinking of the same character. In fact if he's the same one I'm thinking >of all he wanted was to be the Marshal. We're not. I just read Oathbound and at first all he wanted to do was booze and have fun with women, then he Mended His Ways with a snap of Misty's fingers and started wanting to be king. >As for offending if you did not mean to offend then you shouldn't have >thrown rocks. This country is far from perfect but I don't think it is >EVIL either. I was not throwing rocks. You were imagining them. I was just exerciseing my freedom of opinion and expression. And if it makes you feel better i'll bash Britain a bit for you. One word - colonialism. How come the English thought they could take over every bit of land not already grabbed by white people? And how come they thougth they could exploit them, treat the previous inhabitants like dirt and send the profits "Home" without doing anything good for the colonised countries? Obmisty - anyone know how much time passes between Oathbound and Oathbreakers? Shadowlight. PS Congratulatory sugar sheep to anyone who got this far. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 21:59:47 PDT From: "ambermoon starshadow" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Impossible Dream Message-ID: <19990515045955.5716.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Heyla, I would just like to reaffirm my belief in the beauty and meaning of that play called "Man of La Mancha". End of second night! After tomorrow it will be over! I think its themes can be found in Valdemar as well; LHM in particular comes to mind. And Vanyel starts singing "Impossible Dream" . . . . But he did. Every moment of his life. As do all Heralds. And Tayledras, for that matter. I could elaborate, but it doesn't really have to be explained so I will spare my poor listsibs. Some questions that came out of putting on La Mancha and I think have relevance in everyone's life: What is your impossible dream? What is your Dulcinea? What are your windmills? What is your Enchanter? View of the world: as it is or as it ought to be? In MPromise Van chose life over death because of his duty; was there anything more holding him? He thought perhaps love: do the two concepts mix to form a view of the world "as it ought to be"? Did he believe he could bring that about? " 'You don't expect me to believe that old cliche that music can change the world?' 'Things usually become cliched precisely because there's a grain of truth in them.' " (MPrice) But he saw reality too, perhaps more clearly than anyone else. (Sorry, Vanyel is just an incredible person I empathized with from the first page of MPawn. And I've been obsessed with "Man of La Mancha" since time immemorial.) quite briefly on another note, I took the US History AP exam today. my sympathies to all other victims. sheep carrying music boxes playing "Dulcinea", Ambermoon Singer of Fire Royal Defender of the Brat _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 20:21:24 PDT From: * Winddancer * To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: apology/types of magic Message-ID: <19990515032126.65714.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> First, I need to apologize profusely for replying to Absolon's post on-list...I didn't mean to, I assure you--I jut forgot to change the address when I hit the reply button.... Anyway, I'm /very/ sorry and extremely embarrassed about that, and I beg forgiveness of the councilors and all of my listsibs. Now, on to other matters... >Well the obmisty: Does anyone have any idea of what the differences in the >schools of magic are. re they just in the moral codex, or are there also >different types of magic belonging to different schools? I believe that it's something of a mixture of both...the moral codes are certainly different, of course, but I know that at least the style of training, if not the magick itself, also differs between schools. For example, Kethry, who belonged to the White Winds school, used a great deal of ritual and physical substances for her spells, whereas Tayledras and Heraldic Mages appear to manipulate the energy more directly, seemingly without 'spells' at all (of course, this depends upon what you consider a spell, but by this, I mean basically a specific /ritual/ performed to bring about the desired end). And it would also seem that the magickal energies themselves are taken from different sources, and are perhaps different themselves, depending upon the type of Mage...for example, it seems that some magick, specifically that hedge-wizards and earth-witches use, is the life-force of the earth, but magickal energies are clearly also drawn from ley-lines and nodes (what /is/ the name of the third, smallest kind? It's driving me insane, and I can't remember!!!)...so, are the energies of the earth real magick, or simply energy of another type, unrelated to node-energy and the such? Do the nodes simply hold large deposits of this earth-energy, or is it a different substance altogether? The same goes for the personal energy a mage can draw upon from within him/herself...is that 'real' magical power, or a life-force? So, in conclusion, I suppose that I think that the schools of magic do practice different kinds, if only in their methods, and /possibly/ use different energies entirely. Oh, and one more thing, before I leave... Ambermoon wrote: Did anyone else notice the similarity in /name/ between the Valdemaran horned deity and the one here on Earth...Kernos; Cerrunos(sp?)...they're pronounced largely the same, I believe.... The possibility of a god worshiped on multiple worlds/universes is rather interesting, one thinks... Well, that's all for now, so I'll leave you in peace...at least for a little while, anyway! :) Zhai'helleva, Starmist Royal Defender of the Brat _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 00:47:48 -0700 From: Obsidian To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Braids & Braids & Braids....... Message-ID: <373D26A3.47205492-+AT+-softhome.net> --------------D1B39E20269E8DAFC2DE8FA1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Heyla, Whew! Gone out of town for a week and now I've come back to 800 something messages..... Dragonphire k' Dreamland wrote: POSSIBLE ELVENBANE SPOILERS > Also, in Elvensbane, there were the gifts, as Shana had fetching and farsight... idea from Velgrath series? And many of the terms are the same as well. Gates are mentioned, and a few other magical terms are the same. But hey! Are you missing the Bardic Series? Remember all the Free Bards have the same ability as the Bardic Gift in the Valdemar series; the ability to manipulate emotions. That's QUITE a coincidence to me. **END (POSSIBLE) SPOILER** Kaliasta firemyst wrote: on minor characters: i'd really like it see savils earlier life, and a book in elspeths view would be interesting, the feel of being taken for granted and the only person you were told to trust taken from you...i>>> Do you mean the princess Elspeth or the queen of Valdemar. Because the Winds series has Elspeth (the princess) as the main character. Jennifer Slusher wrote: >>Do you think Velgarth has tornadoes? I know they mention magic-induced weather>>> Well, don't you think the Mage Storms was kinda like a hurricane? I mean, with all that blowing wind and everything it may have not resembled a tornado but it sure did seem like a hurricane to me. L.J. Thompson wrote: >>also, on the Oceans thing, I see the seas as being fairly ordinary, unless the mage storms intersected the seas somewhere. It seems to me that Velgarth is supposed to be a fairly "normal" world except with magic, psionics and assorted mage-created creatures and mage-storm-created creatures. Unless, of course, some mage from Around the Time of Urthro decided that sea life would be a pretty neat thing to mess with, which is of course possible... but no sea creatures of that kind ever seemed to have come ashore in White Gryphon or anything, so I guess they must be either keeping out of sight or in a different part of the Ocean. But I kind of feel that if Misty wanted to have magical sea creatures in Velgarth, she would have done something with it by now. But I could be wrong.>>> Totally agree here. Though it would be nice to find out what kind of sea life she has. But if we do soon find out, just PLEASE, no mermaids.:) Ardath6-+AT+-aol.com wrote: >>And about Valdemar and tornadoes.. I just figured it was supposed to be a European-type place. A few here and there, maybe, but nothing really noteworthy.>>> Really? I always thought Valdemar resembled the U.S. You know about the freedom and 'no true way' stuff it seemed kinda American. But then again, I'm not an expert in Valdemar and I'm probably wrong. Silverwing wrote: >I recently re-read AotQ, and it mentions the personality required to be a >Herald. Since Skif was a former thief, how could he have been chosen?(or was >he a guilty thief?)is it just me or is there a HUGE personality conflict >there?This might be a done-to-death subject-being a newbie, i wouldn't >know-sorry if it is! Okay, to make things simple. Skif was a thief with a good soul. Being a theif was the only way he knew how to survive, so no, he didn't have a bad soul or bad character...... or whatever! Otherwise he wouldn't have been chosen. Oh, and welcome to the list, Silverwing! :) Ardath6-+AT+-aol.com wrote: Vikteren was a young mage who was supposed by most people to be Journeyman class, but was actually "a full Master mage at the least". However, his teacher never passed him up to the next level because he didn't want Vikteren to get sent out on the front lines of the war and get slaughtered. Vikteren had longish "carrot-colored" hair and was generally thought to be "one of the coolest heads in the mage-corps; he prided himself on his control under all circumstances." He has a great sense of humor, and he's one of only two mages that can whistle (Urtho being the other one).>>> At first I didn't know what everyone was talking about with Vikteren, but NOW I remember him from the TBG and yes, I liked his character a lot! *g* Him and his carrot colored hair;) I wish Misty would have wrote more about him. Does anyone know if there are any short stories about his life. But I always knew him to be of Journeyman status. POSSIBLE MAGE STORMS SPOILERS "Rae J.Henderson" wrote: I have been reading the mage storms series- book two since my new shipment from amazon came yesterday-and all is going along just fine ...however... who *are* the "fourty little gods" that Grand Duke Tremane mentions repeatedly? Are they any gods on particular or just a saying like: ""by the gods"?>>> Um, it's a 'hundred little gods'. Though Tremane admits that his people are a little less than religious. I rather doubt they even know just 'who' their gods are down there in the Eastern Empire. END MAGE STORMS SPOILER About the communism issue I rather take democracy. With communism doesn't really encourage you to do better for yourself. To improve. Thank god the u.s.a. is democratic. Anyway, communism is falling apart; take russia and china. Chris Robertson wrote: > Well, David, i agree with your comment that the main market is american and they think it's quaint. But off the subject of Misty - it REALLY pisses me off how America bashes anyone even vaguely communist just because of their political orientation. ["anyone" means countries and/or people.] america is no bed of roses! There are ghettos and slums! There are murders! There are extremist religious guys just as scary as any middle eastern extremists - society there is not all sweetness and light! And when people mutter about communists and dictators and/or revolutions being synonymous - anyone remember the Bay of Pigs - America barges into another country's affairs to put a corrupt, murdering dictator back on the seat of power just because they don't like leftist politics. America helps a coup by a corrupt, murdering, torturing, in short EVIL guy named General Pinochet in Chile because the chileans has _democratically_ repeat _democratically_ elected a socialist government and America objected to that. And NATO gets on the moral high ground about the Kosovo crisis after they gave Indonesia military aid to take over East Timor and commit all sorts of human rights violations.>>> Alright everybody, the main point here is that NO nation of people is perfect. NONE. I don't care your religion, your race, or your nationality, none is perfect. As Mark said, when you find the perfect country tell us. Because I'm dying to know where it is. There is murder and crime everywhere. Not just in the U.S. but in the Middle East and China and Europe and every where else too. Nothing in this world is perfect. I'm happy to be an American, and I'm happy to come from a free country. And it's exactly that; America just happens to be a free country and for that reason alone is why people consider it 'a bed of roses.' About the subject of your least favorite characters: Even though I still have to read the LHM series (stupid library) I have a distinct feeling Stefen is going to become one of my favorite characters and Lendel one of my worse favorites. I don't know why, but I already like Stefen and I haven't even read about him except in the Winds series! LOL! Hmm, for some reason I really couldn't feel for Amberdrake. Don't get me wrong in the beginning of the black gryphon I really felt for him but as nearing the last few chapters of that book he suddenly seemed sort of .... fake. I don't know, he's a fine character, though not one of my favorites. I really don't like Gwena either for some reason. Maybe it's the way she acts. And I used to think I didn't like elspeth; now gwena's getting on my nerves....:) Well, that has to be my longest rant ever! Chocolate and cream filled sheep for everyone..... Obsidian http://www.internetjump.com/obsidian http://potraitmyth.cjb.net --------------D1B39E20269E8DAFC2DE8FA1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Heyla,

Whew! Gone out of town for a week and now I've come back
to 800 something messages.....

Dragonphire k' Dreamland wrote:

POSSIBLE ELVENBANE SPOILERS

Also, in Elvensbane, there were the gifts, as Shana had fetching and farsight... idea from Velgrath series? And many of the terms are the same as well. Gates are mentioned, and a few other magical terms are the same.
But hey! Are you missing the Bardic Series? Remember all the
Free Bards have the same ability as the Bardic Gift in the Valdemar
series; the ability to manipulate emotions. That's QUITE a
coincidence to me.

**END (POSSIBLE) SPOILER**

Kaliasta firemyst wrote:

on minor characters: i'd really like it see savils earlier life, and a
book in elspeths view would be interesting, the feel of being taken for
granted and the only person you were told to trust taken from you...i>>>

Do you mean the princess Elspeth or the queen of Valdemar.
Because the Winds series has Elspeth (the princess) as the
main character.

Jennifer Slusher wrote:

>>Do you think Velgarth has tornadoes? I know they mention magic-induced weather>>>
Well, don't you think the Mage Storms was kinda like a
hurricane? I mean, with all that blowing wind and everything it may
have not resembled a tornado but it sure did seem like a hurricane
to me.

L.J. Thompson wrote:

>>also, on the Oceans thing, I see the seas as being fairly ordinary, unless
the mage storms intersected the seas somewhere. It seems to me that
Velgarth is supposed to be a fairly "normal" world except with magic,
psionics and assorted mage-created creatures and mage-storm-created
creatures. Unless, of course, some mage from Around the Time of Urthro
decided that sea life would be a pretty neat thing to mess with, which is
of course possible... but no  sea creatures of that kind ever seemed to
have come ashore in White Gryphon or anything, so I guess they must be
either keeping out of sight or in a different part of the Ocean. But I kind
of feel that if Misty wanted to have magical sea creatures in Velgarth, she
would have done something with it by now. But I could be wrong.>>>
Totally agree here. Though it would be nice to find out what
kind of sea life she has. But if we do soon find out, just PLEASE,
no mermaids.:)

Ardath6-+AT+-aol.com wrote:
>>And about Valdemar and tornadoes.. I just figured it was supposed to be a
European-type place. A few here and there, maybe, but nothing really
noteworthy.>>>
Really? I always thought Valdemar resembled the U.S. You know
about the freedom and 'no true way' stuff it seemed kinda American.
But then again, I'm not an expert in Valdemar and I'm probably
wrong.

Silverwing wrote:

>I recently re-read AotQ, and it mentions the personality required to be a
>Herald. Since Skif was a former thief, how could he have been chosen?(or
was
>he a guilty thief?)is it just me or is there a HUGE personality conflict
>there?This might be a done-to-death subject-being a newbie, i wouldn't
>know-sorry if it is!
Okay, to make things simple. Skif was a thief with a good soul. Being
a theif was the only way he knew how to survive, so no, he didn't
have a bad soul or bad character...... or whatever! Otherwise
he wouldn't have been chosen.
Oh, and welcome to the list, Silverwing! :)

Ardath6-+AT+-aol.com wrote:

Vikteren was a young mage who was supposed by most people to be Journeyman
class, but was actually "a full Master mage at the least". However, his
teacher never passed him up to the next level because he didn't want Vikteren
to get sent out on the front lines of the war and get slaughtered. Vikteren
had longish "carrot-colored" hair and was generally thought to be "one of the
coolest heads in the mage-corps; he prided himself on his control under all
circumstances." He has a great sense of humor, and he's one of only two mages
that can whistle (Urtho being the other one).>>>
At first I didn't know what everyone was talking about with Vikteren,
but NOW I remember him from the TBG and yes, I liked his
character a lot! *g* Him and his carrot colored hair;) I wish Misty
would have wrote more about him. Does anyone know if
there are any short stories about his life. But I always knew him to
be of Journeyman status.

POSSIBLE MAGE STORMS SPOILERS
 

 "Rae J.Henderson" wrote:
I have been reading the mage storms series- book two since my new shipment
from amazon came yesterday-and all is going along just fine ...however...
who *are* the "fourty little gods" that Grand Duke Tremane mentions
repeatedly? Are they any gods on particular or just a saying like: ""by the
gods"?>>>
Um, it's a 'hundred little gods'. Though Tremane admits
that his people are a little less than religious. I rather doubt they
even know just 'who' their gods are down there in the Eastern
Empire.

END MAGE STORMS SPOILER
 
 

About the communism issue
I rather take democracy. With communism doesn't really encourage
you to do better for yourself. To improve. Thank god the u.s.a. is
democratic. Anyway, communism is falling apart; take russia and china.

Chris Robertson wrote:
> Well, David, i agree with your comment that the main market is american
and  they think it's quaint.  But off the subject of Misty  - it REALLY
pisses me off how America bashes anyone even vaguely communist just because
of their  political orientation.  ["anyone" means countries and/or people.]
america is no bed of roses! There are ghettos and slums! There are murders!
There are extremist religious guys just as scary as any middle eastern
extremists - society there is not all sweetness and light!  And when people
mutter about communists and dictators and/or revolutions being synonymous -
anyone remember the Bay of Pigs - America barges into another country's
affairs to put a corrupt, murdering dictator back on the seat of power just
because they don't like leftist politics.  America helps a coup by a
corrupt, murdering, torturing, in short EVIL guy named General Pinochet in
Chile because the chileans has _democratically_ repeat _democratically_
elected a socialist government and America objected to that.  And NATO gets
on the moral high ground about the Kosovo crisis after they gave Indonesia
military  aid to take over East Timor and commit all sorts of human rights
violations.>>>
Alright everybody, the main point here is that NO nation of people
is perfect. NONE. I don't care your religion, your race, or your
nationality, none is perfect. As Mark said, when you find the perfect
country tell us. Because I'm dying to know where it is. There is
murder and crime everywhere. Not just in the U.S. but in the
Middle East and China and Europe and every where else too.
Nothing in this world is perfect. I'm happy to be an American, and
I'm happy to come from a free country. And it's exactly that; America
just happens to be a free country and for that reason alone is why
people consider it 'a bed of roses.'

About the subject of your least favorite characters:

Even though I still have to read the LHM series (stupid library)
I have a distinct feeling Stefen is going to become one of my favorite
characters and Lendel one of my worse favorites. I don't know
why, but I already like Stefen and I haven't even read about him
except in the Winds series! LOL!
Hmm, for some reason I really couldn't feel for Amberdrake.
Don't get me wrong in the beginning of the black gryphon I
really felt for him but as nearing the last few chapters of that
book he suddenly seemed sort of .... fake. I don't know, he's a
fine character, though not one of my favorites.
I really don't like Gwena either for some reason. Maybe it's
the way she acts. And I used to think I didn't like elspeth;
now gwena's getting on my nerves....:)

Well, that has to be my longest rant ever!
Chocolate and cream filled sheep for everyone.....

Obsidian
http://www.internetjump.com/obsidian
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